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this cnn breaking news. welcome back, you are watching cnn on this busy monday afternoon. i'm brooke bolduan. you are watching cnn special coverage on this landmark day, the investigation. the first charges and the first guilty plea now are in the books and they involve these three former trump campaign staffers including the man all of the way to the left here, former campaign chairman paul manafort. what is more, the guilty plea by the man all of the way to the right there george papadopoulos, documents show that he tried to arrange meetings with campaign members and russian officials. the white house moments ago down played his role in the campaign and this image showing him at the table right there, we've spotlighted it with the president of the united states. the white house press secretary stressed none of the events
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today show that there was any russian collusion with the president. >> it was a volunteer position and again, no activity was ever done in an official capacity on behalf of the campaign in that regard. >> what about the outreach with the campaign officials to try to put together -- >> the outreach that was repeatedly denied and pushed away. we're not going to take any action on that? can you explain what happened with his outreach? >> he reached out and nothing happened beyond that which i think shows, one, his level of importance in the campaign and two, shows what little role he had within coordinating anything official for the campaign. >> all right. so let's start with papadopoulos here. our justice correspondent pamela brown on the guilty plea. start from the beginning when did george papadopoulos reach out to the russians? >> well, according to these documents, these court
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documents, brooke, there are e-mails going back to march 2016 when he was foreign policy adviser where he discussed having a, quote, very productive lunch where he was introduced to putin's niece and russian ambassador in london. this apparently was a lunch with a professor who he believed had ties to senior russian government officials and then you fast forward to may, brooke, and there is an e-mail that he sends, that papadopoulos sends that russia has been eager to meet mr. trump for, quote, some time. he sends that e-mail to a campaign official, a senior campaign official. that campaign official affords it to another official saying d.t. is not doing these trips. should be someone low level so as not to send any signal. so clearly, the campaign at this point in may was aware of this effort to connect the trump
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campaign with the russians and basically they were saying in these e-mails that are in these court documents, brooke, that donald trump shouldn't be involved because it would call too much attention, but lower level people like george papadopoulos should go, and then there's another e-mail, brooke, where campaign official actually encourages papadopoulos to go to russia for these meetings, to bring someone else with him on the policy side. the foreign policy adviser side and that trip never happened according to federal officials and there was another e-mail showing that the russians were saying it had been approved from our side. then you go to february 2017. papadopoulos has his second interview. first one was in january and then he had a second interview and immediately after according to the fbi he deletes his facebook page, allegedly had these communications between the -- that he had with the russians that he had downplayed to the fbi and claimed that he
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only had before he was part of this campaign. so so much of these court documents here, brooke. >> so he pleads guilty to these misstatements and he's apparently now cooperating with the fbi and that was one piece of the news that broke today. pamela, thank you so much for the time line here. here's another piece just a short time ago, paul manafort who turned himself in this morning and pleaded not guilty to the 12 federal charges against him and his longtime business associate rick gates did the same and his attorney released a statement. rick gates pled not guilty today. he welcomes the opportunity to confront these charges in court. he is not going to comment further until he has had a chance to review the lengthy indictment with his legal team. in the meanwhile he would appreciate you respecting his and his family's privacy as they weather this unexpected and hasty proceeding designed to accommodate political and press considerations rather than his right to have counsel of his choice by his side during this
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most troubling and challenging day for him and his loved ones and they end with this fight is just beginning. >> jessica schneider is where the two former staffers pled guilty and explain the charges he's men are facing and talk to me about the bail amount and the big, big number that was requested. >> brooke, you know, it's been quite a long initial appearance and arraignment here. we're standing outside the federal courthouse. there are not cameras allowed in and in many cases cell phones are restricted and we're getting the information as we can get it from our producers. these two men, paul manafort and rick gates, they are facing a long indictment, 31 pages, 12 different counts. the charges do range from money laundering to false statements to failing to register as foreign agents. this all surrounds the men's work as lobbyists for the pro-russia ukrainian government
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ranging for at least a decade going all of the way up until 2016. we know that just a little while ago the two men were there with their lawyers. the lawyers on their behalf entered not guilty pleas. we know that both paul manafort and rick gates, they did not say anything and they're being represented and paul manafort by a private attorney and what's interesting is that rick gates, that statement was released from his private attorney, but for this court appearance, he's being represented by a federal public defender. the government at this point has entered a request for an unsecured bond for these two men. we know that the requests from the government was $10 million in an unsecured bond, quite a big number as well as house arrest. we do know at this point that paul manafort and rick gates have surrendered their passports to the fbi and the same goes with george papadopoulos. there is a little bit of movement here. we are expecting that paul manafort may actually come out here with his attorney and if
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not paul manafort himself and we are expecting the attorney to issue a brief statement. as you mentioned, brooke, rick gates' attorney did release quite a electee statement saying this is just the beginning, vowing to fight on, and in an interesting note he says his client hasn't gotten a chance to review this quite lengthy 31-page indictment and this was just done to accommodate political consideration. so, of course, now putting that into the sphere, as well, but right now still happening. we've seen a little movement out here. so we anticipate that at some point very shortly paul manafort will attorney may speak. we'll keep you posted as to what develops in the next few moments. >> keep your eyes peeled on those doors and jessica schneider, excellent reportinga
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a very busy monday. >> jay sekulow said he is not concerned about a guilty plea coming from the former campaign foreign policy adviser. >> i'm not concerned about it because the, if you look at what again george papadopoulos' plea is, what the actual plea he entered into was again, a false statement about timing about as to when he talked to somebody about russian activities. it wasn't, by the way, these weren't activities that were illegal. the conversation that they had, there's nothing in there that says that conversation was illegal or inappropriate or whatever it might have been. >> with me now is renaud, and the counterintelligence division and obviously that means worked with mr. mueller. so, gentlemen, thank you so, so much for being with me on this breaktion news monday here and renato, if i can, let me begin with you and let me read part of this criminal complaint.
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before i get to that footnote, before we get to that. renato, this papadopoulos news, does this show to you the closest that, you know, we have come thus far in showing any sort of collusion between the trump campaign and russia? >> well, it certainly is fairly close -- i'm having some feedback. >> yeah. >> let's work on that. time out for you because that's never fun hearing your voice reverberating. you want to try talking to me again? do we have it fixed, guys? it's fixed. go for it. >> this is certainly the closest that we've seen in a public document and i will say just to respond to what mr. sekulow said a moment ago. >> please. >> i have to believe that he knows that what he said is not accurate. what we have here is essentially a plea deal in which mr. papadopoulos agreed to cooperate with mr. mueller in exchange for pleading only to a false statement.
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we don't know what else is out there. i think what we see here is a bunch of very explosive e-mails and a potential -- >> forgive me. here we go. let's go outside to this federal courthouse and take a listen to this attorney. do we have audio? >> who is this? manafort's attorney? who is this? [ no audio ] >> okay. [ inaudible ] >> is anyone hearing him? [ inaudible ] don? >> -- regarding the file, the united states government has only used that defense six times
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since 1966 and only resulted in one conviction. the second thing about this indictment that i myself find is ridiculous is a claim that maintaining offshore accounts to bring all your funds into the united states as a scheme to conceal from the united states government is ridiculous. thank you. [ inaudible question ] >> okay. let me do my best to put this together and forgive me, that was kevin downing, i wanted to get his name. that's paul manafort's attorney, and technicality, et cetera, et cetera. i only caught the very end. let me be entirely candid with all of you. i just heard dot, dot, dot. that's ridiculous. that's all you guys heard, too. and so, renato and frank, can't go on much there.
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care to comment on it's ridiculous? >> i will say that there is nothing about that indictment that was ridiculous. frankly, i don't think it's very helpful for a defense attorney. i think he's doing a disservice to his client by going out there and calling very serious federal charges ridiculous. his client is charged with multiple felony counts and some of those counts will be straightforward for mueller to prove. either you disclosed something or you didn't. either you have an offshore account or you don't. and so if i was representing paul manafort, unless i was sure my client was getting a pardon i would be talking to him about potentially cooperating with mr. mueller. i don't know what his attitude is there, but i think it's unprofessional and a disservice to his client. >> okay. >> speaking of mr. mueller, frank, this is where you come in. you worked with him. i am curious, what do you think bob mueller's strategy was with
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this one-two, news punch today with regard to manafort and gates and the papadopoulos news breaking soon after? what message is bob mueller trying to send with that, do you think? >> this is an impressive strategy that's played out today. the secret guilty plea, a cooperative witness and not just manafort and gates that i've got people cooperating and if you want to play hard ball with me, we have people working against you. for example, it's very typical in public corruption cases to have that person wired up and making phone calls and e-mails so you've got to be worried today, if you're in d.c. and new york and you're being looked at by mueller, you have to start thinking when did papadopoulos start cooperating? how many phone calls and, mails did i get after that from him and how many are now in the hands of the fbi. this is a wonderful strategy
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we've seen today. >> interesting to see that. with regard to papadopoulos and renato, we were following the tweets so carefully and all of the many tweets. let me hone in on the one that's gotten 4,000 re-tweets within this criminal complaint. it's the footnote that i want our viewers to pay close attention to, and now, guy, let's throw the graphic up on the screen. this is the footnote that reads, the highlighted portion reads, that the defendant papadopoulos forwarded, we need someone to discuss that d.t., presumably donald trump, should not be doing these trips and it should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal. why someone low level, renato, and what signals would one be afraid to send? >> i will tell you, what it says to me as a former federal prosecutor is there is consciousness on the part of the
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individual who sent that e-mail that there is something very problematic about having donald trump, you know, involved in this mess with the russians and now i know that we're getting opposition research from the russians is no big deal and that could be a potential defense that someone could offer in a trial and i didn't realize this was a problem, but that e-mail suggests otherwise. it suggests that in the campaign they knew that they had to try to insulate donald trump himself from that activity and they wanted to send someone low level and i think that's the sort of thing that mueller could use and by the way, now they have a flip or papadopoulos and frank did a great job of walking through the implications there. you have someone who can explain those e-mails and explain what was meant and the context around them. that's powerful evidence for the jury. >> the important piece and frank, back over to you on the
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flipping of papadopoulos and the explaining of the e-mails and the back and forth, that doesn't necessarily mean that papadopoulos will start naming names, correct? just because they flipped him? >> i'm looking at this through a counterintelligence lens, right? because that's what i did at the fbi. >> sure. >> what i'm seeing through this lens are the fingerprints of the russian government. what we know about papadopoulos is he met with a so-called professor who was linked to moscow, who introduced him to a ministry of foreign affairs official who we know is usually a cover position for russian intelligence. he was introduced to a woman who claimed to be a relative of vladimir putin who mueller tells us was not. we see manafort and gates making $17 million representing a pro-russian candidate and russian party in ukraine and putting that money where? in cypress. who uses cypress as a place to launder money? the russian intelligence service. people should be very worried right now.
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we are seeing clear russian connections and the ukraine campaign advice give know by manafort and gates was a primer for them to see how russia manipulates a presidential election in ukraine and it's not outside the realm of possibility that they saw that and said can you do that for us? >> bob mueller has a big job on his hands, doesn't he? frank and renato, gentlemen, thank you so much for your expertise there. coming up next here, a member of the house intelligence committee, congresswoman jackie spear will join me live with her reaction to these charges revealed today and how the new details may impact her congressional investigation. stay with us. how long do you think we'll keep -- oooooohhh! you stopped! you're gonna leave me back here at year 9? how did this happen? it turned out, a lot of people fell short, of even the average length of retirement. we have to think about not when we expect to live to, but when we could live to. let's plan for income that lasts all our years in retirement.
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back to the breaking news here as the criminal charges are revealed in the russia investigation. one thing to keep in mind, several house committees are conducting their own investigation and they're taking note of today's events including the top democrat on the senate intelligence panel. >> papadopoulos has direct evidence that someone with the campaign was being contacted by russians with information that they had lots of so-called dirt that included e-mails on hillary clinton. >> does it feed the collusion narrative or is the jury still out on that? >> i think there are more questions to be answered, but we continue to see evidence that russians were reaching out to trump officials in a variety of ways offering discrediting information on hillary clinton that included their e-mails.
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>>. >> that was senator mark warner and now we'll hear from a member of the house. jackie spear is a member of the house intelligence committee. congresswoman, a pleasure. welcome. >> thank you, brooke. >> all right. so on george papadopoulos here. here you have this campaign adviser or the white house put it earlier today, this volunteer, pleading guilty to making a false statement to the fbi. after he lied with the interaction with foreign officials close to the russian government. your reaction, congresswoman? >> let's remember that when then-candidate trump was being interviewed by the editorial board by a newspaper and was asked who are the experts advising you on foreign affairs and it was one of the areas where he was seen to be vulnerable, the first name that pops into his head was george papadopoulos. you can label him a volunteer, the fact that he didn't get paid and a lot of people didn't get paid in the trump campaign did
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not mean that they weren't integral to their work in terms of working with the russians. >> sarah sanders was made aware of that by our own jim acosta in the briefing and she saturday, his name was just multiple names that were rattled off by the president and trying to diminish his role and volunteer, extremely limited and had no official capacity. who is telling the truth? >> i think the truth will be made patently obvious as the mueller investigation continues to indict and make people turn states evidence. >> the criminal complaint shows the e-mail that papadopoulos sent a foreign contact about setting up a meeting with the chairman, presumably manafort and papadopoulos wrote that meeting has been, quote, approved from our side. still you have the evidence that
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the man at the very top, then-candidate trump had any idea that this was going on. >> so my response to that, brooke, is that he ran a small family company. he knew everything. he was involved in the specifics, and i think as we see more and more pieces whether it's the e-mails from george papadopoulos or the e-mail from cambridge analytica that talks about meeting with or working with assange and wikileaks that dumped the clinton e-mails, all of that suggests to me that assange was a cutout for russia and that the campaign was working with julian assange and you had the president saying i love julian assange. it's all coming together and it's a jigsaw puzzle that one piece after another is being put in place. we don't have the whole picture yet, but it's coming together. >> are you saying to your point
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about the president once running a small family business and had his fingers in everything and he knew what was going on, are you saying the president was aware of this? >> i believe he was aware, and i think we will only find that out as days go by and as people want to reduce the potential risk of spending the rest of their life in jail that we'll fiend out whether or not. now, in fairness -- >> because, congresswoman, forgive me, but he has said in all capital letters today on twitter, no collusion. he's totally denying it. >> he is a premier person to talk about denial because he does that all of the time. he doesn't care about the truth and right now all he's interested in is protecting himself and in doing so, a good defense is a very strong offense. >>. >> i had a guest on last hour,
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walter schaub who resigned as government ethics director under president trump and he made this point, he wants every member of congress to stand up now and send a strong message against any interference with the mueller investigation until it's too late. the white house could fire him. are you it willing to stand up now and what do you think it will take to get your colleagues across the aisle to do so, as well? >> i don't know that my colleagues across the aisle have the ability to do that. you know, their first -- >> why not? >> their first and foremost interest is because they want to get reelected and if you look at the polling in their district, for the most part trump is still very popular. the members that speak out against president trump have seen their poll numbers drop. so it hasn't quite filtered to the electorate in some of these districts and regrettably, many of these members are more interested in getting reelected than doing what's right to protect our democracy.
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>> it's unfortunate. your committee, the house intelligence committee has been publicly at odds with each other. there's been a bit of drama from the top. what do you think? have you spoken to devin nunes. what do you think your committee chair is thinking with all these different developments coming in today? >> well, let's remember that it was devin nunes who was taking his calls from the president to make it seem like there was some unmasking scandal that has fizzled on them and then he sort of recused himself and now has interjected himself again in now yet another investigation into gps fusion and uranium 1 and in both circumstances, i think the evidence will show that this is a deflection once again. meanwhile, we have a president who said he wasn't going to do any more deals abroad, and what is he doing? we now find out he's doing deals in india and we lost sight that
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he is making money off the presidency at the taxpayers' expense. that's lost as well. on many fronts there's deflection going on and meanwhile, i think the american people are being robbed. >> hang on a second, congresswoman. have you lost confidence in chairman nunes and therefore have you lost confidence in your committee's ability to investigate this? >> i think that the committee is on two tracks now. i think the majority is focused on a real ansular issue on the fact that the clinton campaign hired them to do research and benefited from the republican work that had already been done is very typical, opposition research is done and it's done on the individual who they're running against and it's done on the individual who is running. they have little interest, i believe, at this point to pursue
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whether or not there was engagement by the trump campaign with russia. >> so is that a no, congresswoman? >> i would say that in terms of devin nunes, he has no interest in pursuing the investigation about russian intervention. some of the republican member, i think, have shown good will in being at the various interviews and asking questions, but they do believe, i think, that this investigation is an opportunity to really pursue other issues unrelated to the russian intervention. >> quickly, congresswoman spear, has your committee interviewed papadopoulos as part of this investigation into russian interference and if not, if you had him in front of you, what is your question number one for him? well, question number one would be did you ever speak to then-candidate trump? did you speak to paul manafort?
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who gave you instructions? who is advising you to pursue your involvement with rugs on the compromise -- >> let's remember, the meeting that took place in donald trump jr.'s offense, paul manafort was there and the intention was to bring dirt on hillary clinton. they were all interested in working with the russians in terms of gaining information on hillary clinton. working with one of the greatest adversaries to the united states in an effort to just win. >> just so i'm clear and we're on the record. so your committee has or has not spoken to papadopoulos? >> the committee members, to my knowledge, have not. i can't speak to whether the staff has as of yet. >> congresswoman jackie spear, thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up next here, we'll discuss who else might be in legal jeopardy as special
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all right. let's go out to federal court to my colleague jessica schneider who has been watching the comings and goings in the news with regard to paul manafort and rick gates here and these indictments and how they pled and the bond figures that were set, jessica. what did the judge grant them? >> reporter: yeah, brooke. we are learning all about the conditions of release for both paul manafort and rick gates. of course, both of them pleaded not guilty, but still they will
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be confined to home arrest. that means that they cannot leave their home unless for certain specified reasons like seeing the doctor or meeting with their attorneys or of course, appearing here at court. we know that the government requested these very tight conditions of bond. in fact, paul manafort released not only on home arrest, but also on a $10 million unsecured bond. rick gates on a $5 million unsecured bond, and the government had argued that both of these men considering the seriousness of their charges and also their net worth in addition to the fact that there might be a flight risk as reasons for asking the government for that home arrest and that high bond and, of course, the judge did acquiesce to the government's request, setting that high bond. >> both paul manafort, and they will have to undergo daily
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monitoring. paul manafort will have to check in with authorities in d.c. and he'll have to be monitored by authorities in d.c. what is interesting is the net work of these men coming out of this proceeding. paul manafort said to be worth $20 million to $100 million. rick gates the government said he was worth between $2 million and $30 million. of course, their extreme high net worth, a factor in this, the fact that they will have to be in their homes being monitored and checking in on a daily basis and not being allowed to leave except for those very specified reasons including being here at court, and brooke, we know that they will be back in court and this is an extremely lengthy indictment, 31 pages and both men waiting 12 counts and while
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waiting this out they will be forced in that home arrest. >> jeffrey toobin saying this one's going to take a long time looking at the details of the indictment. jessica, thank you so much. we did have cameras pointed outside that courthouse, as well as paul manafort's attorney kevin downing spoke. it was quick, but here he was. >> i think you all saw today that president donald trump was correct. there is no evidence that mr. manafort or the trump campaign colluded with the russian government. mr. manafort represented pro-european union campaigns for the ukrainians and in that he was seeking democracy and to help them come closer to the united states and those activities ended in 2014. over two years before mr.
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manafort served in the trump campaign. today you see an indictment brought by the office of special counsel that is using a very novel theory to prosecute mr. manafort regarding a filing. the united states government has only used that offense six times since 1966 and only resulted in one conviction. the second thing is and to and and president trump, and and george mason.
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what do you make of what he just said? >> look, obviously, he's representing his client and he's defending his client's position, and he obviously makes a good point about the use of registration violations and it's clear that mr. manafort thought he had to register and he had to register more recently and the fact that they're bringing forth the question of trying to evade taxes or bringing money to the u.s. improperly are valid claims by the special prosecutor and we'll see how it plays out in court and not surprising the attorney will take that position and he's defending his client. >> if you were white house counsel right at this very moment what would your biggest concerns be seeing the former campaign chairman adviser is in a bit of trouble? >> i think the obvious concern is that these charges are not really brought to bring paul manafort to justice for those issue, but to put pressure on him to cooperate either fairly or unfairly in the ongoing investigation the special
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counsel has and if i were white house counsel that's what i would be concerned about. >> the other players in the trump orbit, current and past, jared kushner and michael flinn and you have the timing of today's indictments and papadopoulos cooperating with investigators and it seems like on that same vein, the white house should be concerned. >> well, look, it's hard to know when nobody saw the papadopoulos plea coming and i think in part because the plea and the online charges are about lying in the course of the investigation and this oftentimes happens in the special counsel investigations. more often than not, what we saw with whitewater and the clinton era they were about ancillary figure, and i wouldn't read this as a sign that they're on to something in the larger investigation, but just that they're able to make charges and put pressure on folks within the orbit in order to see if they can't get something more. >> jamil, what do you read into the scope and what we learned reading through this manafort
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indictment and going back to financial dealings way into the campaign into his life circa 2006. what does this tell you about what mueller and his team is doing? >> i think it's clear that mueller doesn't see his restriction just to the election-era things and that's been a problem and issue for other special prosecutors for going beyond their focus and this happens a lot in special counsel investigations and more often than not when they've indicted folks about not directly related and look at the monica lewinsky matter. bob mueller is a sharp guy, he's a serious pros cure the and he'll do the right thing and we'll see how this investigation plays out and they'll try to pressurize the folks involved to see if they can't get more to move up the chain. >> jamil jafer, thank you. we'll dig into the back story of the former trump campaign chairman and his
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right-hand man richard gates. stay with me.
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we are back with the breaking news here. the significant new developments today in special counsel bob mueller's russia investigation. just a short time ago former trump campaign chairman paul manafort and ex-campaign deputy rick gates pleaded not guilty to multiple charges stemming from mueller's investigation. washington correspondent. thery mere news coming in today and let's go back and remind our viewers of the role specifically that manafort and gates played in the campaign. >> there really is no rick gates
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without paul manafort. he's seen as a manafort protege, what many people who are familiar with his role would describe him as a bit of a henchman for manafort and he was the deputy for paul manafort on the campaign, but that stemmed from the fact that he worked for manafort in his lobbying firm for some time, for years and years, and after the campaign, as you know, brooke, manafort was kicked out amid speculation about his ties to russia and stories that had come out and then you saw gates go and with the number of other aides and former america first which was a pro-trump pac and that was also short lived and even after just being a part of that pac for a couple of months he would still find his way into the white house because he was working for tom barrack who is a con ffidan of president trump and that was something that gates would go along with for the meetings and this is all, he's sort of this satellite of paul manafort who
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was the chairman of the campaign. even just for a short period of time and just for a few months and it was at some very key points in time where trump got the delegates that he needed because remember, manafort had a specialty in delegates paul manafort, even though he had the political connections and gravitas politically, he also had been lobbying for a number of clients, including international clients. some of them dictators, some of them pro russian, and specifically one of the ones of interest had to do with the former president of ukraine, a pro-russian candidate viktor yanukovych and it was in his dealings with yanukovych when he ended up under surveillance. there were questions whether his associates helped him launder money. paul manafort was under surveillance by the fbi both in 2014 and then again in 2016 as
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we saw the allegations of russian meddling in the election come to light. >> and as we heard from the manafort attorney, pleading not guilty to all that is facing them and saying all of this is just entirely ridiculous. brianna keilar with the rundown on these two. thank you so much. president trump is trying to shift this conversation to hillary clinton. he's saying there's no collusion on his end, trying to shift it to the democrats as three people tied to his campaign face serious legal trouble. we're going to talk about the president's reaction to this next. you might take something for your heart... or joints. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is the number one selling brain-health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember.
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it has nothing to do with us. the that is the reaction coming in this afternoon from the white
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house amid a barrage of questions over trump campaign associates charged as part of bob mueller's investigation into russia's meddling in the 2016 presidential election. so with me now kristine quinn, former democratic speaker of the new york city council and end martin, cnn political commentator and author of "the conservative case for trump." so welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> and -- and, ed, let me just start with you. have you read the papadopoulos criminal complaint? >> i was just reading it now, funny you say that, before i went on with you. one of the things i was so interested in is the timing. it looks like he signed the paperwork almost a month ago, sort of his plea -- not a plea actually, an agreement of guilt, and, you know, it's been an interesting week. as a history buff i really was fascinated by the -- a lot of the jfk documents and what they really showed. among holler things was that j. edgar hoover who at the time was perceived as a very serious leader, turns out he was pretty morally corrupt, if not
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otherwise, and i just think that we're going to find out that this special counsel robert mueller, the idea that at the end of a week when president trump had gdp growth and 3%, wall street markets are way up. >> wait, ed, i've got to stop you. >> hold on. brooke, let me -- >> i'm asking about papadopoulos and you're talking about jfk documents and are you suggesting that mueller is corrupt? >> yeah, i do. you're exactly right. >> you're suggesting that bob mueller is corrupt? >> i'm suggesting that bob mueller did something which taking the four-week-old document and also the manafort/gates document and leaking it on friday afternoon. the leaks that happened friday afternoon should be -- should be indicted and people should go to prison and that is called corrupt, a problem happening to this country because no matter what you think of the president, papadopoulos >> can we talk about the content within it. >> if i could jump in for a moment. >> go ahead. >> so this is classic deflect
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and blame -- what you said, sir, is very classic of the trump playbook. what happened here is that three individuals associated with president trump and russia, two have been indicted and one we found out in july pled guilty. >> he didn't plead guilty. >> that's not true. >> that's not true. >> he came -- >> it's not true. it's not factually true. >> correct the fact but hold on. >> okay, but it's not true. >> stop. because when you talk over people it's because you've got nothing to say the same thing over and over again. >> okay. >> the facts is bob mueller is a highly respected prosecutor on both sides, and, in fact, republicans and conservatives, democrats, progressives hail his appointment. we have gates hand manafort indicted in massive charges of wrongdoing. papadopoulos is in an agreement with the government, and the
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campaign is now calling him some lowling volunteer. he was in conversations with the russians, lied to the fbi. manafort has claimed he obstructed the fbi's work and his boss in the campaign said that aboy in an e-mail when he was in these meetings and after. so you can try to deflect to martians and ufos and jfks, but the facts here -- it's not funny, sir. >> it is funny. >> it is not. >> it is. >> that i had is a sad day for america. >> it is, you're right, it is sad. >> it's a sad day bus president trump's associates have been indicted. >> brooke, may i respond? >> of course. >> may i respond. >> stay, sir, in this century. >> you're yelling at people. >> honey, you -- honey, don't talk to me. >> listen -- >> please be nice to one another.
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>> do yourself a favor, kristine, don't call people honey. that's not -- >> i will call. >> let me respond. >> cut the "b." >> you misspoke and you misspoke. >> i didn't. >> there's no plea agreement. there's no plea agreement. i unlike the president can say i made a mistake. i thought you said you were going to let people not talk over each other. >> i'm just accepting i made a mistake, sir, on national television and i corrected it. >> okay. >> let's roll. >> i accept your apology. >> thank you. >> here's the facts. everybody that runs a big campaign like kristine ran for her losing race for mayor knows lots of people volunteer and claim they are affiliated with in campaign and he lied. he deserves to go to jail if that's the penalty for lying to the fbi. but after that you don't get blamed for every nitwit or guy who comes in and the lies to the fbi. that's not how it works, and my point is simply there, brooke. we have to be careful, and you should want to be careful, too, kristine, because you lived in a world where elliott spitzer
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abused his office and kathleen kane in pennsylvania abused his office. >> get to your point. >> i think the timing of this is very suspect, and at the end of the day we don't want a prosecutor who is a zombie prosecutor attacking people across this country. >> hang hon, hang hon. i have 60 seconds. >> can i make one point. >> with all due respect. i get the last little word and, ed, i want you to respond to this because off the top when you're saying that bob mueller is corrupt. >> mm-hmm. >> you shade something to the effect that you think he timed the news today to overshadow the economy, the -- the economic headlines. >> what i said was even on our station on cnn with anderson last week we talked about how the president was having a week where the economy was up, wall street's up, the gdp is up. we have isis on the run and hillary clinton's campaign is admitting, they don't know who paid for the dossier with the russians. and my point is that's wired. everybody in politics, kristine especially knows, you drop something when you're opponent is doing bert on a friday and
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let the weekend have a story after story about speculation about indictments. that is the worst kind of stuff that goes on by bureaucrats and out-of-control counsels and that's what's mueller is stuck with. >> i've got to give it to "the lead." we're finished. i'm sorry, we're finished. ed martin, we're finished. brooke baldwin. "the lead" starts now. good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we begin with seismic breaking news in our politics lead. it's a landmark day. the united states of america versus three trump campaign associates. a dramatic new phase of special counsel robert mueller's investigation into russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and possible collusion by members of the trump team. today, two senior members of the trump campaign including former campaign chair paul manafort surrendered themselves to federal authorities while we also learned of a third member of the cam t