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that the response has been overwhelmingly positive so far. >> daniel kibble-smith and ashleyly quad, thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you for having us. next hour starts right now. being with us this morning. >> thank you for having us. next hour starts right now.g with us this morning. >> thank you for having us. next hour starts right now. this story just adds another layer on what has been a barrage of attacks on the special counsel. >> the cinch coming out of the justice department. the fbi is like that of a third world country! >> sometimes, things might appear to be bad in the press have more innocent explanations. >> the integrity of this investigation has to be protected. >> i think the trump team is terrified as to what could happen. >> this is a circus, at this point. >> it just makes the meeting this week between donald trump's attorneys and robert mueller that much more significant. >> announcer: this is "new day weekend" with victor blackwell
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and christi paul. >> good morning to you. we start this morning with what could ab crucial week in the russia investigation. special counselor robert mueller's team to interview trump's team. >> mueller's team is defending itself against new attacks. for members of the trump transition team. republican lawmakers and the conservative media. at issue here, tens of thousands of emails sent by the members of the transition team. team lawyers say mueller got those emails illegally and argue the documents should have been protected. >> but the special counsel's office says it's followed the proper legal channels and legal experts say the emails are fair game because they were sent from government account. we are covering this story from all angles with our team of kornts and analysts. to start with cnn's dan live in
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washington. dan, obviously, what we are hearing this morning could change what we see happening with this meeting later this week when the president's lawyers talk to mueller's team? >> reporter: yeah. . a high stakes week for the russian investigation and certainly colored by these accusati accusations. the trump's transition team is accusing robert mueller's investigation of accessing their emails without the proper requirements and notifying them. there is background to that this is important, though. the tran circumstances emails are maintained by the general services administration benign government agency. they basically provide the white house, the number of different -- or agencies here with hardware and flninfrastruce that allows them to do their work. the trump transition team were not moifed that the emails were handed over to mueller's team. a spokesperson for the gsa tells
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buzzfeed they were notified if they use their hardware, these emails could be subject to law enforcement subpoena or turned over to laerw enforcement. in a surprising move, the special counsel's office actually responded to these accusations. here is what peter carr said, a spokesman from mueller. it's pretty rare that we see a statement from the special counsel's office. so that is a significant step in all of this. important to note this is not happening in a vacuum. while these accusations are being made, people, trump supporters, on capitol hill and in the conservative media, are really trying to undercut mueller's credibility saying that it is nothing more than an attempt to take out the president and you have even some lower thirds on fox news suggesting that it's a coup. so all of this is happening not in a vacuum but happening as
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trump supporters are trying to undercut mueller and certainly we know that the president often watches tv and certainly getting some of that messaging from places like fox news. >> the lower third being the words across the bottom of your screen as you watch cable news. dan, thank you. stay with us. i want to bring in brian stelter, cnn media correspondent and host of "reliable sources." and lynn sweet of the chicago sun times and joey jackson. i want to read a bit of the letter for the attorney for the transition team wrote. is this illegal what has happened? >> victor, good morning to you and the panel. somewhat mind boggling to me as much as if you have the general services administration, which
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is assisting the transition team which is a governmental arm or unit, if you will. i don't see how any devices that may be used in conjunction with that entity for transition or governmental purposes would be private in nature. you know? in the event any of us are serving government and they are working on governmental devices, sending emails or text messages or anything relating to those functions, there is not an expectation of privacy there. so in the event the special counsel request emails pursuant it their investigation, looking to do their job involving transition members, transition officials with those communications, what they are, i don't see how that would be unlawful in any shape, form or manner. you could talk about issues of privilege but then the question becomes are they really privileged? in the event you don't know the aim of what we certainly know the aim and the focus of the special counsel's investigation, but where are they going, what
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exactly are you talking about? so i'm a little befuddled an unlawful transition of this d t document. >> lynn sweet, let me read to you. to help obtain clinton's emails is for mueller obtaining emails through the general service administration. your response to that juxtaposition. >> my response is that sam, in a very witting way, has a very good point. so we could look at this a few lanes here. that don't look for consistency. you complain about one thing. one circumstance and another. the thing i do want to point out, these are not -- not only gsa emails. these are government emails. okay. emails written on government accounts, very often for local,
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state, and federal, the white house is from congress from freedom of act laws. very few government officials and what transition official was working on that what they called -- what the or transitional team, these are government documents and that is what maybe they didn't anticipate this but now the significance of working on this becoming part of the government is starting to sink in. >> -- was the ethics czar for president obama's administration says that the executive privilege only extends to the executive and when you are in transition before you become the president you really don't have that protection. let me come to you, brian. the suggestion here in saying this was unlawful, it coincides with this suggestion that this is part of some deep state
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conspiracy from career employees as they refer to them. >> exactly right. when trump's lawyers come out and use the press to say mueller is acting unlawfully, that creates a narrative for right wing media to put on the bottom of the screen and put in banner headlines on the website, to add more fodder to this narrative the mueller probe is illegitimate and needs to be shut down. that have from the shaun hannitys. we know that there were a weird number of contacts between russians and trump associates. we know several of those associates have now pled guilty and have now been charged by mueller's team. in at least one case, michael flynn has pled guilty and is cooperating. a lot we know about how real this is and that is partly why right wing media is trying to shut it down and say president
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trump, you need to fire mueller and get rid of this because they are going to try to reverse the outcome of the election. i think this move by trump's lawyers is another attempt to put mueller on the defensive -- >> let's talk about that. and the suggestion that robert mueller should be fired. i want you to listen to congresswoman jackie spear and what she said this weekend about what she is hearing on capitol hill. >> the rumor on the hill, when i left yesterday, was that the president was going to make a significant speech at the end of next week, and on december 22nd, when we are out of d.c., he was going to fire robert mueller. >> dan, the white house is pushing back about that but we only have to look back to the firing of james comey about how sometimes the official line from the white house does not coincide with what the president believes. let's get this reminder. >> let me be very clear that the
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president's decision to accept the recommendation of the deputy attorney general and the attorney general, to remove director comey as the head of the fbi, was based solely and exclusively on his commitment to the best interests of the american people and to ensuring that the fbi has the trust and confidence of the people of this nation. >> i was going to fire comey. my decision. it was not -- >> you had made the edition before they came in? >> i was going to fire comey. >> so you have the white house on may 10th saying that this was from the recommendation from rod rosenstein and on the 11th saying regardless of the recommendation, i was going to fire him. he went on to talk about russia and trump and he saw there was nothing there. dan, what are we hearing from the president, if anything, about this? and from the white house? >> well, ty cobb, one of the president's lawyers, told cnn yesterday there are still no
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plans, not being considered that robert mueller will be fired. that is a pretty persistent rumor in washington and what representative spear has laid out is that the possibility of robert mueller being fired. that is a pretty persistent rumor. i think what brian says is really important here. the president is now in camp david and going to mar-a-lago next week. we know he spends a lot of time in front of the tv talking to old friends and getting reinforced much of what we are hearing on fox news and conservative outlets. that is going to be critical to see how he responds to that. you have to put yourself in the shoes of someone that -- the habit of president trump. when he is down in mar-a-lago, he will have more access to those kind of messages that we are hearing coming out of a especially fox news. what role does that play on how he thinks about the mueller investigation, what he tweets about the mueller investigation and what he says going forward. it is a rumor that he is going to fire mueller but a persistent rumor. if he gets to mar-a-lago and
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reinforcing this message it's interesting to see how that plays not only on the white house's view, but personally president trump's view of robert mueller and the broader investigation. >> lynn, back to you. there was a period earlier in the investigation where most political experts who looked at the potential for the president firing robert mueller knew what would happen next in congress. but in recent days and weeks with this continued drum beat from members of congress who now are calling for the president to fire mueller, is that as obvious as it was, what the next step could possibly be? >> i think no one -- i'm not -- let's not predict the next step because i think president trump is such a wildcard here. just a few days ago when he was asked if he was going to pardon mike flynn, he said, not yet or he used the word "yet" as opposed to a yes or no. there is a few other plays here that the president could make that still would be very controversial and still would work to try to discredit or
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diminish or even deny that there is a valid investigation going on. and one quick point about the trump lawyers complaining about these emails. if they thought they had a legal leg to stand on, they would not only be in the court of public opinion, talking to the press and talking to their allies, they would be in court seeing if there is something that could be done about it. or preventing their use. they are out already, so the information in these emails are informing the questions that witnesses are being asked. >> joey, let me put up the tweet from democratic congressman eric swawell where he says what are they afraid was found? baloney. another attempt to discredit mueller -- let me finish up where i started here with these documents, joey, that we are getting this complaint about from the trump for america transition. as lynn just touched on there, it's often we pay a lot of
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attention to who is going before these investigators and speaking one-on-one but these cases are often a hinging upon the documents, the emails, the letters, hard copies and that is why these are so important. >> no. they absolutely are critical. you know? it's tough to talk about this, victor, without pointing out the irony. the investigation talks about, you know, the democratic process and that being impaired in some way by russia or in collusion and undermining the democracy. the firing or potential firing of mueller would do precisely that in terms of the undermining of the democracy! you have a special counsel for a reason. so that they are independent. so that they can investigate and not be bothered or worried about being interfered with. and so at the end of the day, when you have any communication that is on a government server, again, there is no expectation of privacy. it's governmental in nature and i just don't see how any claims, victor, of that being unlawful can really carry any weight at
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all and so what are on those emails will be critical. obviously, it's been talked about that nothing per se, you know, has been too damaging but who knows what they will uncover. >> tens of thousands -- >> hey, victor? >> we have to wrap it there, brian, unfortunately. . we have gone a little over the time allotted. thank you all for being with me this morning. >> thank you so much. again, do not miss brian stelter, you'll hear from him more later this morning at 11:00 a.m. eastern on cnn. listen. a wildfire that is bigger than new york city right now. and it is still forcing thousands of people to get out of southern california. we have an update for you from the front lines. hundreds of passengers aboard a caribbean cruise get sick. what happened and what the cruise line is doing about it. >> don't block my internet! >> internet providers controlling your internet
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new evacuation in place for thousands much people in southern california this morning. because firefighters are battling what is now the third largest wildfire in the state's history. >> yes, the thomas fire has burned nearly 300,000 acres so far and led to the deaths of two people at least, including a firefight. >> cnn national correspondent miguel marques is on the front lies and sent us this report from santa barbara late last night. this foyer is a slog and only get harder. the winds are sporadic and blowing almost not at all like they are right now but up in the hills blowing much more intensely. we were in winds at 40 miles an
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hour. if they can keep it down tonight they hope to get on top it but it's a huge job. turn off the light so you can see how it looks in the foothills of santa barbara. the entire hillside is just fire. when the winds pick up, that fire is pushed directly toward santa barbara and that is the concern they have right now. it burned near carpenteria. and burning towards santa barbara. the towns of monisoto is in the line of the fire that will not quit. all wind-driven. the dry, dry brush. the humidity levels in the brush here has been below 10%. firefighters hope that if they can get on it tonight, though, if they can survive those winds tonight, and they have some 400 vehicles up in the area here fighting the fire, that's why
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they have called for these new evacuations because they didn't want to do it in haste and in a crisis situation where you have all of those fire vehicles in there and then people are trying to get out at the same time. so if they can survive the winds tonight and they can get past this one evening, then tomorrow, in the days ahead look much better to finally get this fire out. victor, christi? >> thank you to miguel marquez there. strong winds and dry conditions is what is a big part of this problem. >> let's talk about the days ahead. our meteorologist allison chinchar is with us now. she is watching the conditions there and where the threat is greatest so break it down for us, please. >> the main threat is the entire state of california. we wish we could pinpoint it more than that but the threat exists for that whole area. here is a look at what we are talking about. orange area is an elevated fire threat. the red pockets here down around los angeles and santa barbara and san francisco and sacramento, that is more of a critical fire threat. it's a little bit more elevated there. now this area, one of it, does
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include the thomas fire. it's only 40% contained right now. 267,000 acres and only 35 acres off from being the largest fire in california history ever. it's the containment. that is going to be a big concern. only 40% containment. when you talk to california fire, they don't expect to have full containment until january 7th of next year. that's how long they examine it to take because the weather is not going to koorpt. expected to get better the next 24 hours. the low pressure system will gradually push away and that is allowing the winds, pressure gradient in between that low and that high to lighten up just a little bit. we are not talking about it's taking away the wind entirely but make it easier for those firefighters and the crews. winds are still going to be about 40, 50 miles per hour this morning. but once we get into the evening tonight, that is where the real good news is going to take place when those winds die back down. but the one thing i wish i could
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29 minutes past the hour on this sunday. good to have you here. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. robert mueller team is defending themselves with a public statement saying they got their evidence through cooperation or proper legal means and responding to trump transition lawyers who say the special counsel obtained their emails unlawful. dan, explain what the accusation here and what the response has been for us. >> reporter: the accusation is essentially that the trump sent
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transition team believes that robert mueller's investigation illegally obtained emails from that transition period which is the period between when trump was actually elected and when he became president. it's important to note that at that time, these emails were housed on government servers. the transitions both trump's transitions and hillary clinton's transition that never really fully became a transition, are government run. they are housed on government servers. those emails. and in this letter to capitol hill, the trump transition team accused mueller's investigation of going through the general services administration which is a pretty benign government agency which provides hardware and different infrastructure to agencies here in washington so that they can run. in a statement, the general services administration told buzzfeed that, you know, the trump transition team knew that they would be subject to law enforcement if they used their products and we have a statement. a statement that doesn't come
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out very often from mueller's team. this is what peter carr, spokesman for mueller says. this all is not happening in a vacuum. it's important to note that. this is happening at the same time many trump supporters on capitol hill and in conservative media are trying to undercut mueller and seems like another aspect to that attempt. >> dan merica at the white house, thank you. president trump is looking ahead to this tuesday's tax vote and responding to criticism that the plan will only help high earners. >> here is what he said on the white house lawn before leaving for camp david. >> this will be great for jobs. it will be fantastic for the middle income people and for jobs. it will also benefit lots of other things. we are looking to -- if you look at the whole thing, everybody is going to benefit. but i think the greatest benefit is going for jobs and for the
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middle class. >> joining me now is dorothy brown of the emory university school of law and james davis, executive vice president of marketing at -- partner. thank you both for being with us. dorothy, start with you because you are a tax policy expert, of course. do you see the middle class getting a good benefit from this? >> absolutely not. this tax plan was designed around texas cuts for corporations. 14 percentage points. for individuals, about 2% and the individual tax cuts goes away after eight years. the corporate tax cuts are permanent. this is designed to put money in the pockets of shareholders which tend to be very high income. >> so, james, she brings up a good point about the temporary tax cuts for individuals. do you think that there is a sense that people think, all right, this will be good for us in the short term and maybe they will change it long term? >> first of all, this is great
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for americans across the board, because what we have seen through history is both when republican presidents and democratic presidents have passed bold tax relief we see more revenue come into the federal government and billions more in fact, and thousands more in disposable income and seen millions of jobs created. if you look back at the kennedy tax cuts, you saw 9.7 million jobs created through that. and you saw more than 2500 dollars of disposable per capita income. that is tremendous. if you look forward into the reagan tax cuts, you see the same thing. you saw 11.7 million jobs created. and you saw more than 2700 dollars of per capita disposable income. this is going to create tremendous amount of jobs, higher wages and, you know, that can't be discounted. >> james, there is no guarantee -- >> going into -- >> people admit there is no guarantee what these corporate tax cuts, corporations will actually add more jobs.
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>> history proves it out. so one of the best indicators of the future is look back at history. i would encourage professor brown although back at history here and see how this bears out. >> dorothy? >> actually, he is actually wrong. with respect to the reagan tax cuts, there were significant tax cuts on individuals that were -- individuals their paid for. corporate tax cuts. so the notion that corporations that actually have been said to have over trillion dollars in cash reserves are suddenly with more money going to raise wages when they haven't done it, when they have got over a trillion dollars of cash reserves defies logic and reality and history. >> some say this isn't the time to tax cuts. they say because the economy is doing well. we haven't had tax reform in 30 years. there aren't a lot of people who dispute that there are changes that need to be made. >> absolutely true. and a different tax bill, which would have centered on individual tax cuts would have done everything or had the
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potential to do everything president trump said. if you put more cash in the hands of middle class, lower income workers, they spend more. what the higher income taxpayer does with more income is hoard more. >> depending on what happens here, james, what is -- what is the political ramification of this bill? >> i think this is a huge boost for republicans. >> does it work? >> a campaign promise that they have lived up to and president trump deserves a lot of credit working with the house and senate leadership of getting this to the floor. this is a historic opportunity. and, you know, history bears this out. again, i'd point back at those facts. individuals will see more money in their pocket next year and economy is already starting to take off a little bit in expectation of this tax reform. you already see companies like at&t announce that they are going to invest more than a billion dollars in the united states. that investment could have gone
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to another country but, no, companies are looking here. other countries are actually talking about what they are going to do now to try to be competitive with the u.s. the u.s. has been so anti-competitive for such a long time and you don't have to take my word for it. chuck schumer said in 2012 that we have to lower the corporate income tax rate to be competitive globally. this is a global economy and exactly what we need at exactly the right time. >> dorothy, do you believe there was another way for the u.s. to become more competitive in the global market? >> absolutely. the notion that corporate taxes were too high is -- does not -- is not borne out. apple, very little in taxes. ge, very little in taxes. retail industry, yes. the notion that across the board, corporate taxes are too high is false. along with the idea that corporations will invest without supply and demand. come on. corporations don't hire workers because they have extra cash. they hire additional workers if the demand increases and there
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is no way the demand is going to increase when you have the small income tax cuts that individuals are getting compared to the huge tax cuts corporations are getting. it just defies logic. >> i'm sorry. we have run out of time. james and dorothy, we appreciate both of you sharing your perspectives. thank you. we will be looking to tuesday with you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> nevada congressman says he will not run for re-election after the house ethics committee opened into allegations he sexually harassed two women. he is a democrat and repeatedly denied the allegations. earlier this month he said he has no plans to resign. still to come free downloads of your favorite websites and apps could go away. our next guest says be because internet freedom may be coming to an end. >> "star wars: the last jedi."
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well, the internet has always been an open platform for free speech and access to free information. that could change soon at the expense of you, the consumer. >> thursday, the fcc voted to turn control of the internet over to your cable and internet providers. listen. i know this is something that may make your eyes glaze over. you're looking at the video. it's five or six people sitting at a bench and you don't know who they are but this means something for your real life. it has democratic attorneys general in thee states and public interest groups lining up
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to sue the agency. 90 seconds here from cnn correspondent laura sea gull explaining what this means for the future of your internet and more importantly to your wallet. >> reporter: what is net neutrality. it refers to the internet something as necessary as water and power for most of us. the neutrality part is about keeping the net the way it is today. it's a set of rules that went into effect in 2015 to prevent speed traps on the information super highway. in other words, speeding up access to some sites and slowing down access to others. or blocking certain sites entirely. so are these rules a bad thing? it depends on who you ask. the companies that deliver your internet like comcast, ver ei internet like comcast, ver ezon and at&t have spent millions to get rid of net neutrality.
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other side is facebook and google. streaming services like netflix and former president obama. they all argue the internet is a public good and should be regulated like one. they say that companies that own the pipelines could play favorites. for example, a constant provider like netflix is in direct competition with comcast which owns nbc universal and controls access to the internet for over 20 million customers. you can imagine a scenario where nbc would want to speed up streams of its and slow down streams of its rivals netflix. netflix can afford to pay for the fast lane worth more than 70 billion dollars but the next netflix some awesome start up can't. >> so now with us to talk about this is attorney and consumer watch dog for victims of corporate abuse, michael byrd. thanks for being with us. listen. i'm not sure people truly understand or can appreciate yet what this would mean for them.
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so explain for us as clearly as you can what this means for them and when they will see the impacts of this after this fcc vote potentially. >> thank you. great being on. first of all, i think people have to understand it's not only about slowing down. it's also about controlling information. more people get their news from the internet. more people use the internet than they use, for example, you know, cable news or local news. and so by having pay to play, it would allow corporations, it would allow the entities that are paying to make determinations as to what information and at what speed you get that information. i think it's a really dangerous slippery slope for consumers because by having this now pay for play, it will allow certain entities or certain corporations to be able to influence what information is going to be slowed down, what news is going
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to be slowed down. and what the consumer is going to be able to see. >> so i'm sure there are a lot of people sitting back on what can i do this? is there anything they can do? other than choosing certain providers and choosing what they want to see? >> well, what i recommend is that they actually write their congressman. even here in colorado where my main base is, we have republican and democratic congressmen who want to bring this to congress to look at this issue and hopefully, reverse this and go back to net neutrality. i think people have to understand it's not just about entertainment. this is about news. this is about where people get their information. and if we have a pay for play, people are going to be only seeing one side of what the news -- we have this fake news going on. this is a dangerous situation and they need to act and write their congressman, their senators and let's get this changed back to where it was. >> let me ask you this.
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there are some people who are saying, listen. this is about overburdensome regulation and the president says he is going to reduce regulation and some people like that. these rules are only as old as 2015 any way and they think back prior to that, everything was fine. you're crying wolf and say to them what? >> i would say first of all, if you go back ten years people are getting their information not from the net. over the last five years, more and more people in this country rely on the net to get their news. so no one is crying wolf here. when you allow people to control the speed of the information and being able to -- information and everyone is relying on that information for its accuracy that is a real problem. >> all righty. michael, we appreciate your insight and thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me on. all right. we will keep you informed how that is going and how it takes its turn this week as well. we want to talk about "saturday night live" poking fun
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at omarosa and her depart tour from the white house. >> omarosa! >> let me in! ." quick! someone turn off the lights. >> too late. i see you in there donald! nobody kicks me out of the white house. >> get away from the window right now! what in four americans see a mental health therapist when they need help? >> where are people getting that help? because that is changing. there is a growing trend of doctors and patients that are getting away from the couch and going for a walk. >> i can't tell you how i feel about something in 140 characters. i can kind of. >> walk and talk therapy is exactly what it sounds like. rather than being enclosed in an office space, the therapy session takes place outside while we walk. i mean, you know this is how i should be approaching it. i'm -- yet, i'm shutting that out right now.
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for some clients, coming to therapy in an office setting is intimidating. walking side-by-side, clients are a little more free to express themselves. >> it makes me just open up a little different and it make the conversation seem more natural. >> i maintain their confidentiality. if we are a little too close to others, we will stop for a minute and let people pass. >> i'm an outdoors guy by nature. i like to garden and i like being activity. so this is just a natural fit for me. the park, itself, is really part of the therapy process. when i had therapy in the past, you go into an office, it just feels sterile. >> when we are out walking, we are moving forward. and it's the exact same thing we are doing in the therapy to process. we are moving forward. patrick woke up with back pain. but he has work to do. so he took aleve. if he'd taken tylenol,
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