tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN January 21, 2018 9:00am-10:00am PST
shutdown showdown. tension on capitol hill following the government shutdown. >> this is utter madness. >> and the blame game heats up. republicans calling out democrats. >> irresponsible, political games. >> that's why we call it the schumer shutdown. >> democrats pointing the finger at president trump. >> no one deserves the blame more than president trump. >> how much longer will this go on?
white house budget director mick mulvaney is next. and daily with the d.r.e.a.m.ers. democrats aren't budging. >> they're using the d.r.e.a.m.ers as a shield for their incompetence. >> republicans say not now. >> they want a deal on immigration, it is a shakedown strategy. >> will the daca debate keep the government closed? senators bernie sanders and rand paul in minutes. it's the second full day of the government shutdown right now and according to courses, senator republican leader mitch mcconnell and senate democrat leader mitch mcconnell -- in an interview wi
interview with chuck schumer, he outlined his demands to reopen the government. >> we need a good bipartisan agreement that allows us to get a good defense number, get a good nondefense number, get a vote on the d.r.e.a.m.ers bill and get that done and deal with the disasters too. >> now senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says he won't vote on issues until the government is funded and open and he plans to hold a vote on a three-week government funding bill on monday if both sides can't come to an agreement by then. >> all we need is for the democratic leader to withdraw his filibuster and let a bipartisan bill pass and reopen the united states government. >> the president spent the first na anniversary of his presidency
remained in the white house. schumer said the president did
not reach out to him. someone who's been at the center of all of this, the director of the budget at the white house, mick mulvaney. president trump just tweeted that the senate majority should change the rules to only require 51 votes. the democrats just want illegal immigrants to pour into our nation unchecked. the stalemate continues, and republicans should go to a 51%, nuclear option, and vote on real, long-term budget. >> i think what the president did this morning is try and shed some light on the fact that if ordinary rules prevailed, the majority rule in senate the government would be open today.
and it also responds to the constant criticism that we hear, the republicans control the white house, house and senate and why can't they open the government? we cannot open the government without senate democrat support, we don't have that senate democrat support which is why we are where we are. another thing would be to get some of those democrats back home to work in a bipartisan fashion but don't. where are those democrats who say one thing back home and then do another in washington. we just want this thing to get fixed. >> five democrats voted for the continuing resolution and five republicans voted against it. minority leader schumer, he wants a commitment from republicans in the house and senate to agree that after the government reopens, it will
authorize defense spending, they will authorize about $20 billion for the border wall and provide some sort of path to legal status for the so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers. i have heard this is more of an issue in the house than the senate. but that seems to be an area where a deal could be done, no? >> a couple of different things, the president is absolutely interested and wants to get daca fixed, but what you just read, needs a really close read which is says that the senate has to authorize the money, but it's appropriated the money, that's one thing nobody's pressed schumer on, he wants to authorize the money, but not appropriate the money. also on that list of things that we have seen from the democrats in just the last 24 hours is a bailout for the union pension fund. so there's a long way, i think, towards getting a larger deal,
which is why it's so important to go ahead and get the government open now. so what the democrats are talking about is a massive spending bill with a lot of other things added to it, and that's not going to get done between now and next monday or now and next friday. they need to reopen the government tonight or tomorrow and then with can start talking about these issues. >> i do want you to take a listen to something that the then-private citizen trump said about the government shutdown that occurred back in 2013. >> we'll start from the top and it will have to get solved from the top and the president's leader and he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got to lead. in 25 years, 50 years and 100 years from now, when the government -- when they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the president of the united states, who was the president at that time? they're not going to be talking about who the head of the house was, the head of the senate. >> the senate has not called,
quote, everybody in a room and led since this shutdown happened as he called president obama to do. he did put out some pictures, the white house did, of the president attempting to talk on the phone with individuals, why not call everybody into a room and hash this out the way he said that leaders do, the way he said that presidents do. >> the president actually did call large groups of both parties down into the white house in the days leading up to the shutdown, he has been actively engaged, he's been trying to avert the shutdown. that's the disturbance between the lapse in the shutdown and what you have seen from president obama. i was there in the first precursor of the freedom caucus and we never heard from the white house, we actually believed they wanted a shutdown. president obama wanted a shutdown so he could weaponize
it and make political points over it and that's what he did. we're actually working to try, number one, to make sure it didn't happen in the first place, that failed, and now we're working to make sure it doesn't last any longer than it absolutely has to. that's what you had in 2016. >> he had that 55-minute meeting on immigration a couple of weeks ago, he said he wanted a bipartisan bill and then they brought him one and he said he would take the heat and then he suggested that he didn't want to take the heat. >> the bill has passed the house and is sitting at the senate, is a bipartisan bill, this is the type of funding bill that has passed through the last decade. it's a bill that has funding for the government, and it has bills that members of both parties say that they like. it has an extension for the children's health insurance
program, it has a repeal of the obamacare taxes. it's a bill that democrats are opposing, even though they oppose what's in it. i had no idea that democrats in the senate are dysfunctional. i had no idea it had gotten that bad with democrats in the senate. >> you used to be congressman mulvaney and you're not going to get out of here without one more clip from 2015 when you were supporting the government shutdown. >> john boehner said today we fought for something but we just didn't win. >> when you sfilgt for something that's important, then the fight is going to be worth it. if you stand up for what you believe in, you'll be on the right side of everything. >> aren't the democrats doing that? you're actual right, this was right in the middle of that 2013 shutdown. we were voting against a bill
that we did not like in 2013, the 2013, that i just described as having a chip component in it. in 2013, there was a bill that asked for money for obamacare. we could not vote for that. everything that is in the bill, democrats support and have voted for previously. this is pure politics. back in 2013, it had a much larger component of a principle involved to it. if you vote against a bill that you like, that's entirely different from voting against a bill that you don't like. >> thank you
very much for your time, sir, and good luck with this mess. president trump is pointing fingers at democrats for the government shutdown, but some members of his own party voted against the bill too. one of those no votes, senator rand paul and bernie sanders can with us too. our disciplined approach remains. global markets may be uncertain...
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republican senator lindsay graham getting a little emotional late saturday evening after lawmakers were unable to reach a deal to keep open the government. white house republicans are blaming democrats. but rand paul is one of those no votes and he joins us live in the studio. welcome back. it's good to see you. you were one of the handful of reasons who voted against the measure, it's because you said you don't like these short-term spending bills with continuing resolutions as opposed to a long-term budget plan. your party has been quick to blame democrats for the shutdown, the so-called schumer shutdown. but there weren't even enough votes on the republican side. >> everybody trying to say you don't want to fund the military, nobody wants our soldiers not to
be paid. it gamesmanship and partisanship. here's how you solve this today, guarantee in writing to the democrats that there will be one week's delay on immigration and there will be a vote on an immigration bill in the next month. when i presented this to the house and the senate, senator durbin said we want guaranteed passage on a must pass bill. you're not going to get that. you'll get two different bills, go to conference, work out our difference and there could be an immigration bill that comes out in the next month. i think that's doable. what's hard on the spending bill, is nobody knows what it's going to take to fix immigration. so put it on the floor and let it work itself out. >> one of the conclusions is, as
you know, what is president trump willing to sign? >> remember that meeting where he says you work it out and i'll sign it. >> but then the next week, durbin brought out a bipartisan bill. >> the people with the bipartisan bill, i am for some of aspects of middle ground. i want an open process so we vote on these things, but i guarantee you if you send to the president an immigration bill that passes the house and the senate. there's no way in the world he's vetoing that. >> is speaker ryan willing to do that, as you know, speakers in the past, including boehner and also including ryan have been reluctant to bring that up because they don't want a bill that passes with some republican support and a lot of democratic support. >> that's the difficulty, but there is a bill over there that raul labrador and goodlat have. i think a majority of
republicans would support it. i think the process needs to be allowed to work out. i'm kind of a believer in we were all elected, let's vote on issues and let's vote on amendments to issues, republicans won't win all the time, democrats won't win all the time. but this will work itself out. those democrats who want a perfect immigration bill or nothing, and then people on the right that want nothing. i say let's vote on it. i think the impasse would end today, if republicans just agree to have the vote. i think the people of the united states would like to work out amendments to the vote. >> there are people on the left who are reluck tachbt to support anything that contains any funding for the border wall. >> right. >> would you theoretically, i'm
obviously not pinning you down on any legislation, but would you support something that has bipartisan support? >> i'm actually a fiscal conservative, and don't want to throw millions of dollars against the wall. i am for some form of law, i'm for trying to have more merit based immigration, i would like a reform that immigration covers immediate family but not extended family. where you find the middle ground you vote, and whatever amendments get put into the bill. i think the house will be much more conservative than the senate. and i think something will pass through the senate. >> the house wouldn't even take it up. >> and this is what i think
schumer should ask for is i want the house and the senate to have one week on immigration and a vote sometime between now and march 5. >> i think you are a vocal opponent of fisa, the president tweeted on friday, just signed 702 bill that allows foreign intelligence collection. this is not the same fisa that la was so wrongly abused during the election. >> i think speaker ryan, senator mcconnell. this will let us spy on foreign americans in foreign lands, if a
president calls a foreign leader, i'm in the database. if you're a journalist and you send and email to someone in the middle east that's one of your correspondents and you type in the words al baghdadi because you're interested in the leader of isis, guess what? you're in the database. so then we have this enormous database. your name could be typed in without a warrant. all we have asked for is keep the prak, but get a warrant if you want a search an american's name. and this i believe the vast majority of the american people would agree with me. >> i think the president's instincts lean in my direction, because he believes there's been some abuse of the fisa program during his campaign. so the people like peter strzok, who turned out to be very
biassed. they have an ability to look at the 702. because you're so biassed about the president, you should be able to search this without getting a warrant. the futrump campaign out wi a shocking new web ad today. >> democrats who stand in our way, will be complicit in every murder committed by an illegal immigrants. >> senator bernie sanders is here, i'm pretty sure he has some strong feelings on that, we'll talk to him next. how do you win at business?
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duckworth who lost both legs while serving in iraq, she has a theory about -- >> i will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five-deferment draft dodger. >> governor sanders says the government should be reopened as soon as possible. senator sanders joins me now, senator sanders, thanks so much for being here, hours after the shutdown went into effect, there was an ad. >> president trump is right. democrats who stand in our way will be complicit by every murder committed by illegal immigrants. >> what is your response? >> you know, it is really unbelievable and so sad for our
country that we have a president of the united states who says such nonsense and such outrageous statements. what we are talking about here now in terms of the d.r.e.a.m.ers is something that is supported, i think in a recent poll in cnn by 84% of the american people. cbs, 87% of american people say that these young people who came to this country at the age of 2 or 3 or 4, who are now working, 20,000 of them are teachers, they are in school, they are in the military, their legal status needs to be protected after trump took it away in september. they need a path towards citizenship, that is not my view, that is the overwhelming view of the american people. then you see a president put stuff like that on the air, trying to divide us up, trying to foment hatred, it's really sad. >> it i have seen the suggestion
that the democrrepublicans don'k it needs to be tied to a budget agreement. >> the house control the republ house, the senate and the white house. these guys, especially the president are apparently incapable of governing. listen to what the military, what the department of defense said just the other day, in terms of the fact that we have not had a budget for the entire year, we are a four trillion dollar government, we do not have an annual budget. this is from the pentagon. we have been working under a continuing resolution for three years now. our current c.r. expires tomorrow january 19. this is wasteful and destructive. we need a fully funded fiscal year 2018 budget or face
ramifications for our military, end of quote. this is the military, they cannot go month by month. i represent a state, jake, that 25% of our people get their primary health care and dental care through community health centers, they have not been funded in 3 1/2 months. people died last year because the social security administration is not adequately funded and able to -- people who have disabilities, a "washington post" story, put their claims in and while they're waiting for their claims to be processed, much too slowly, they died. >> but that doesn't necessarily mean that -- the correlation is not causation? >> the correlation is that the social security administration is under funded and unable to do what they need to do. >> he quoted you criticizing
republicans shutting down the government because they didn't get a policy debate in 2013, take a listen to what you said was the republican mindset back in 2013, this is you. >> what they are saying to the american people tonight is, well, maybe we lost the presidential election, maybe we lost seats in the senate and lost seats in the house, it doesn't matter, we can now bring the government to a shutdown, throw some 800,000 hard working americans out on the street and we are going to get our way no matter what. >> so director mulvaney said you are a hypocrite, that you were blaming the republicans in 2013 for what the democrats and the caucus of the democrats were doing. >> first of all, what they were doing back then as i think mulvaney acknowledged on your show this morning, is they wanted to repeal obamacare,
obama was the president, you know what? obama was not going to repeal obamacare and throw tens of millions -- allow tens of millions of people to lose their health insurance. let's be clear now, people are sick and tired of the blame game and i understand that. but here is the reality. it takes 60 votes in the united states senate to get anything done. the other night mitch mcconnell walked on to the floor of the senate, and he knows the rules better than anybody, he knew he only had 50 votes. what we should be doing is negotiating. all right, he doesn't have the votes that he needs, let's sit down and talk. we can make an agreement very, very rapidly. for example, we need to adequately fund the department of defense and obviously nondefense spending. we have to deal after four months with the fact that we have not done disaster relief. there are tens of thousands of
people in puerto rico, people are in houston, texas who are still hurting from those hurricanes. how come the republicans were so quick to move forward to try to provide huge tax breaks for billionaires, they addressed that issue in their tax bill. health care, they wanted to repeal the affordable care act and throw millions of people off of health insurance, why can't they fund start relief for the people that need? >> would you be willing to appropriate 20 billion dlrsz for a border wall, in exchange for a pathway to some sort of legal status for the d.r.e.a.m.ers? is that a compromise you're willing to make. >> look, i think the wall is a great idea in the 15th century when the chinese brilt tuilt tht wall, it doesn't make much sense
now, but i'm willing to sit down in a room and ask for what the american people want. let's sit down and let's do that, but that has to be passed. let me say this, if we allow trump to get away with what he did, and that is repeal the executive order on dacas. and if these 800,000 people are subjected to deportation, this will be one of the ugliest stains in the history of the united states. young people who know no otherc came here at 2 or 3 years of age, to now be subjected to deportation would be a mistake they'll lever recover are. he took a very different position on shutdowns in an interview with me in 2013. trump is on a diet,
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it's a hard line saying unless i get my way, i'm going to shut the government down, i'm going to risk default for the nation, now anyone can do that. i believe in immigration reform, what if i persuaded by caucus to say i'm going to shut the government down and not pay our bills unless i get my way. it's a confrontation of idiocy. >> that was chuck schumer talking to me in 2013, it was a little thing that we call the lead that comes in during the week. congresswoman, let me start request y with you, you're a fresh woman so i can't hold you responsible for your decisions in 2013, but
your position was you can't hold the government hostage to whether it's obamacare or immigration. >> i think you have a lot going on the here, the democrats don't want the shutdown, the democrats -- i came to congress to get things done, to vote on issues, to have debate,s, that what the american people want, not a shutdown. we really need to come together and talk about some of these issues that they say they're going to address and they haven't. whether it's daca immigration or a c.r. and getting a budget. this is no way to run a government. >> he's right, he's right then. look, i have never been for government shutdowns after the first one, i went through the 1995 government shutdown and learned my lesson that this is idiocy, it doesn't make any sense, it's gamesmanship, and
every time republicans have tried to do this, tried to get something in exchange for funding, we have ended up on the short end of the stick. because the american people figured out that our job is to keep things moving. this time the democrats have stepped in saying we won't vote for anything -- in the past, every shutdown was republicans wanting something in exchange for the budget. now it's the democrats wanting something. >> in 2013, the republicans in rand paul and tom cruise weed h democrats are asking for something that 85% of americans want. republicans in control didn't reauthorize chip, republicans in control are the reason we have
daca uncertainty. and republicans in control for the first time in modern history in the white house, the senate and the house. it doesn't have anything to do with chuck schumer, this falls squarely on the shoulders of the president of the united states. >> the reason we have daca uncertainty is because president trump -- i will be the one person in this table that believes in shutdowns if it is necessary and you have -- i don't see the democrats saying straight, shutting down the government is worth temporary protection for 690,000 people. they rejected a six-year deal on chip, north to try to get some shred of a promise on daca. so i think they have backed themselves into a corner, they don't truly have a road map of where they're going or where they're going to get out. i think president trump is exercising some messaged
discipline. president trump should say, yes, come to me with a deal or we're going to see it off because i bet the democrats are going to blink first. >> if you call into the white house comment line, there is a message, i didn't believe it when i first saw it on twitter and we checked it out. we called the white house common line. this is what you hear. >> thank you for calling the white house comment line, thank you for calling the white house, unfortunately we cannot answer your call today because congressional democrats are holding government funding including funding for our troops and other national security priorities hostage to an unrelated immigration debate. due to this obstructioobstructi government is shutdown. >> it's ridiculous, i think we need to take the d.r.e.a.m.er issue up, this is a bipartisan issue. this is a personal interest for
me, ni have a family member, a cousin of mine who is a d.r.e.a.m.er, so to me it's a personal issue. my colleagues on the other side of the aisle tell me they're willing to vote on bipartisan legislation. there is bipartisan legislation, whether it's the d.r.e.a.m. act, whether it's the usa act. but we can't get a vote on it. we want a vote to have the conversation to have the debate. >> it does seem like there's an obvious bill to be done, an obvious compromise, but it's not necessarily the one that a majority of the senate republicans or the majority of house republicans would vote for. it is something that a majority of the american people support. >> well, the problem is that it's not a problem, i mean the republicans are in control and they have a right to be able to ask for things that they want in exchange for this d.r.e.a.m. act extension, and if you look at the bill that was put in regard,
it wasn't just a daca fix, i mean there were 10 million people that would have had some path to staying in this country in definitely in the proposal that dick durbin and lindsay graham put in. the idea that there was a bill there that could have passed, that bill would never have passed the house of representatives without republican support. if you're the speaker of the house, you've got to put a bill forward that the majority of your members will vote could. >> vice president mike pence was speaking to the troops and this was the message he delivered. >> i'm sure you're all aware of what it's going on in washington, d.c. despite bipartisan support for a budget resolution, a minority in the senate has decided to play politics with military pay. but you deserve better, you and your families shouldn't have to worry for one minute about whether you're going to get
paid. >> first of all, the real mvp of this entire process is whoever mike pence's scheduler is, he's never in washington, d.c., whenever there's a conflict, he always finds himself halfway around the world. he wasn't here for this debate, because if he was, he would have seen that claire mccaskell actually went to the well of the united states senate and did something that obama did during the shutdown of 2013 was to make sure our troops were getting paid. there are two women that are standing up more than any other men in the democratic party or the republican party right now, they're fighting for our troops, they're fighting -- they're getting some support, but senator mcconnell is not going for it. he's objecting to it. but they are the ones who are trying to do just what mike pence wants. >> so there's the blame game and also the gamesman ship, we saw it during the obama era when
there was a 2013 shutdown when the world war ii memorial was closed. often they make political points based upon that. >> i think members of the trump administration have learned lessons from the 2013 shutdown. the department of the interior department was at the memorial. but at the same time, they're picking their battles, you're going to see president trump, just like vice president pence did, you are going to put amnesty at a higher priority than funding the troops. if that is where the debate goes, donald trump is going to win that fight. and he's doing a better job of explaining it. >> do you disagree with that, the idea if the american people see the debate as funding our troops, versus people who are not in this country legally, whether it's through fault of their own or not, that that's not a debate that the democrats are going to win?
>> i don't think that's what the questi debate is, these are continuing resolutions, i got here, i voted for two of them. i thought it was going to buy time for us to address the issue and it hasn't. rick has mentioned that there was no bipartisan legislatation that was beyond daca, we have the usa act, it's the d.r.e.a.m. act coupled with border security. look, i sit on homeland security, i'm for border security. we met with john kelly this week, the congressional hispanic caucus, he talked about some things that we could agree on, having more security at the ports of entry. having more customs and border protections officers there, great, let's do it. it would speed up the process. >> do you think spending $20 billion for a border wall in exchange for a d.r.e.a.m. act?
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hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us. we start with this breaking news, the u.s. senate back in session, you're looking at live pictures from the floor, where with are expecting senate majority leader mitch mcconnell to speak soon. so far we see no progress in getting the government back up and running. the president called for the nuclear option to change the voting rule