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tourist's terms, idiotic about what was going on in congress. >> thank you very much. good to see you. and we're going to send things to washington. i'm brooke baldwin in new york. we'll send it to "the lead" with jake tapper. it begins right now. good afternoon and welcome to "the lead." we'll again with the politics lead. any minute we are expecting the u.s. senate to take its final vote to end the government shutdown after more than two days of the stand-off. this afternoon an agreement was made to reopen the government though only for two and a half weeks. here's what senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer agreed to. the federal government will reopen as soon as president trump signs this bill into law. chip, the children's health insurance program, will be funded for six years, and now there is a commitment that the senate will work a big comprehensive bill. one bill that will attempt on
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lift defense is that nondefense spending camps, address disaster sxad undertake immigration issues including daca. if no agreement on that big bill is reached by february 8th, leader mcconnell promised the senator would immediately proceed to an open debate on immigration in general. meaning the gang of six can offer their own immigration legislation. schumer's office says this is northern democrats had before the government shutdown but republicans argue, mcconnell was going to do all this any way and there's to guarantee what will pass the senate or what the houmts a house of representatives is willing to do. they say frankly, the democrats blinked. and many in the party are accuse go democrats of caving. a source saying in a house caucus meeting today, the chairman of the congressional black caucus said the senate
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democrats are, quote, getting their butts kicked. either way, though this shutdown on track to end, we are by no means over difficult days. in fact it might just be beginning. we have the press secretary hogan where we'll talk on one of the gang of six, to corey guard not that i remember, and a dreamer and activist who thinks the democrats caved. let's begin with pam will brown. president trump obviously fancies himself a deal maker but as far as we can tell he's been absent. is there any more clarity going forward on where president trump stands on these major immigration issues? >> reporter: white house press secretary sarah sanders said the president's position hasn't changed. if anything his positions have hardened. she stopped short of saying he would support citizenship for the d.r.e.a.m.ers but she said the white house is hope al deal will get done in a couple of
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weeks. for now, jake, the white house claiming victory for stopping government shutdown despite the president's back seat role in getting the deal done. >> reporter: the senate striking a deal to bring an end to the three-day old government shutdown. >> on this vote the ayes are 81. >> reporter: the agreement funds government through february 8. while it doesn't include a solution to daca, it does come with a commitment to republican leaders to negotiate the deal for d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> let me be clear. this immigration debate will have a level playing field at the outset and an amendment process that is fair to all sides. >> reporter: we expect a bipartisan bo bipartisan bill on dlauk receive fair consideration and an up or down vote on the floor. we on our side of the aisle will continue to fight as strongly as we can for the d.r.e.a.m.ers in the weeks ahead.
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>> reporter: it clears the way for bipartisan talks to continue on daca, the budget and other priorities. >> today, we've taken a significant step forward with more than 80 senators voting to reopen government and with a commitment from the republican leader to bring an immigration bill to the floor with ample opportunity for those with differing views to offer up substitutes to a bill. >> the pressure will be on basically when we get our job done. then paul ryan has to do his job. we can't do the house's job. >> reporter: some democrats express disappointment the party did not get a firm agreement from republicans to take up a daca bill. others disagreed. >> there is no way the democrats caved. i think the democrats got a better deal than people expected. >> reporter: despite reaching an accord, lawmakers were not quick to drop the finger pointing with
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republicans faulting democrats nflt it was a mistake for chuck schumer to shut down government. three days of the schumer shutdown and i think we'll see more of it. the reason chuck schumer forced the shutdown his far left base is enraged. >> reporter: while democrats blame republicans and singled out president trump for being an unreliable negotiator. >> president trump's unwillingness to compromise caused the trump shutdown and brought to us this moment. the facts are well known. >> reporter: the white house says the president is ready to talk. >> we've been very clear about what we want to see and any legislation, and i don't think there's a whole lot of daylight between where we are and where the democrats are. we certainly want to negotiate and get to a place and we're hopeful that we can do that over the next couple weeks. >> reporter: so the open question today of how involved the president would be if a daca deal passes through senate with getting the deal through house
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leadership with the house. the house republicans. that is still unclear. whether he would be more involved. and he has penned this last weekend and there's no guarantee that we won't be back to where we have been another government shutdown in just a few weeks. i should mention sarah sanders said the president will be going to his trip to davos later this week assuming everything goes as planned. >> the senate has just started its final vote to reopen the government. we'll keep tabs on that. my political panel is here with me. did the democrats blink? >> many think they did. >> what do you think? >> no. here's why. they're keeping the government open for two and a half weeks. we're not lose go or saving the republic here. if this was democrats agreeing that you don't to have bring up immigration, nothing needs to happy would say this is a terrible deal. ultimately what the democrats get out of this with control of
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nothing and no leverage, daca administration will be discuss told for another couple of weeks instead of other issues like infrastructure that republicans may want to discuss and it keeps the issue on the front burner. it is not ideal. it is divisive within the party because progressives are upset, d.r.e.a.m.ers are upset and that's not a good place to be in. democrats keep the issue alive and that's not a total loss. >> i think a reasonable and cynical person could look at the situation and ask. did the democrats want to flex their muscle to appease their base and stage a weekend government shutdown to ryan donald trump's one-year anniversary, ruin a fund-raiser, and then take it back monday morning because they couldn't deal with the consequences? >> a cynical person might do that. and that you are cynical person. you think that's what they did. do you think the democrats got anything out of this deal? >> not really. there was going to be a vote on
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daca anyway. a senate vote doesn't get you anything. it is where it is likely to pass. what will president trump do? i don't think all that ryan or trump moved at all this weekend even if mitch mcconnell moved a little bit. >> so a democrat from new york, no secret is running for president in 2020. she voted no today. the progressives that were opposed to it. here's what she wrote on twitter. i am deeply disappointed that this fails to protect d.r.e.a.m.ers. i want to see the government reopened as much as anyone but this bill fails to fix the moral issue we must solve. that's why i voted against it. what happened today is divide go the democratic party but i think it is also true that this debate going forward on immigration will also di tied republican party. >> that's right. it has divided it today. i disagree what amanda said, no
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surprise. this is really a moral issue. it is not a political issue for most of them. they think this is totally wrong. that nothing has happened with the d.r.e.a.m.ers. there are 800,000 people hanging in the balance. what you're seeing that's bad for democrats today, it will not be great for the republicans over the next couple weeks. this is an issue 90% of the people support. they'll have to vote for it. there are confusing dynamics. >> no surprise i disagree. i think this has hardened the republican position, what the deal will be. there is a deal to be had on the table profl text for the d.r.e.a.m.ers in and challenge for the wall, a lottery, reducing the lottery, and rechain migration. that's the deal to be done. now that we've gone through this shutdown debacle, the white house will have to say we won't even touch the durbin deal with graham. republicans are run go away as a
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result of the silly, stupid shutdown. >> they do not support the gang of six bill. the trump campaign put a web ad out over the weekend that was pretty stark. pretty harsh. take listen. >> president trump is right. build the wall. deport criminals. stop illegal immigration now. democrats who stand in our way will be complicit in every murder committed by illegal immigrants. >> complicit in every murder committed by illegal immigrants. that does not sound like the ad of somebody who is preparing to sign a bill that will provide some sort of legal status for d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> that has been my core question. donald trump ran this campaign, talking about it. does donald trump want to stand up any day ever and sign a bill that is going to be no matter what he says, amnesty? i'm not totally sure he does. the ad, i find worrisome for
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other reasons. we don't want to have one party, the party is the only one for white people. if you think about that kind of ad, that's where we're headed with that kind of messaging and how aggressive it was and how it focused on illegal immigrants being bad and murderous. >> i don't know that there is anything that could pass the senate that doesn't have something for dreamers. and yet you would agree, that doesn't sound like -- >> no. i think it is the strong hand the white house has. no one is talking about not deporting criminal illegal aliens. that's not what this is about. they have a winning argument. listen, the democrats shut down the government, defunded the military, put people on notice for the small population. i think there's support for doing something for the dreamers. the democrats will have to come to the table with other items. until they do, there is to deal.
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ultimately, this deal with daca is one that most people support. many in the main stream. so this isn't just such an easy issue to run away from. we have no idea what the convictions are. so that's another thing that we learned. >> this the gang of six is the group working on the deal. good to see you. >> first question, there's going to be a vote one way or another on immigration in the senate. does the gang of six framework have 60 votes? >> the framework is set by the president. he wants to talk about the things in our bill. the fact is this. i believe we can build on the framework. the wall addressing daca population, d.r.e.a.m.ers,
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addressing the visa lottery, the issue of chain migration as the president calls it. when the president said that he opposes our legislation, we didn't throw up our hands. we went back to work. what we can do better. throws the same conversations we're having today. >> so they said the president will not sign the gang of six legislation. i hear you saying it can't get 60 votes today. last week, durbin and graham said that it would get 60 or 70. what do you need to do to get to 60 votes? what do you need to change in the bill? >> i think we have to address the issue of the border wall issue and border security. when we came up with the bipartisan billering with knew we had to could not convenience our colleagues on both sides to support it. if there are things to gain the president's support, that's what we have to do. a bill that passes out of the senate with 12 republicans and 48 democrats, a bill that passes like that without the support that we need to get through the
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house and the president's desk isn't a bill that is succeeded. we have to have the president's signature. he has to support it. so we've talked about improving border security. we've talked about improving the language as it relates to the visa lottery. i don't think those are things that can't be done. we don't have a monopoly on it. we won't get upset if somebody gets credit for a better idea. we are here to fix a very challenging problem. it won't be easy. it is the people of the country who will benefit from it if we solve it. >> in the past what has happened with these bipartisan bills that have passed, usually it is 40 something democratic votes. as you know, 15, 20 republican votes. you seem to be saying the bill needs more republican bills than democratic votes. am i hearing you correctly? >> yeah. the senate doesn't make laws by itself. i takes the house of representatives and president trump in the white house. so a bill that passes without the support is a nonstarter. we can pat ourselves on the back
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all day long for passing a bill out of senate but nobody will give as you passing grade if we don't get it through the house, the senate and the president. >> so what do you need to put in a largely conservative immigration bill? so it would have more board wall funding. not just authorized but actually appropriated. changing diversity visas, changing what are called chain migration or unification visas. in addition to that, you would need to do something for the d.r.e.a.m.ers in order to get ten or so democratic votes. wouldn't you? >> if you look at the original d.r.e.a.m. act at a five-year pact, the final product that was negotiated, rejected, that moved to a 12-year path, that's something we can negotiator have difference of opinions on. the language that we came one gave the president what he was asking for in his 2018 appropriations request. obviously people want more than that. we can agree to that. i left a bipartisan meeting where we had people there all
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sides of the political spectrum there from conservative to liberal democrats and talking about how we can actually use this chance to negotiate things like that. i believe we can get the basis of the cornerstone layed down so we can actually show results come february 8. >> senator gardner, i know you saw the web ad accuse go democrats of being complicit in murders committed by undocumented immigrants. i wonder if those are the pakss somebody prepared to sign any compromise legislation at all. this is the rhetoric that washington, d.c. has expected. that the american people don't like. it address as solution that i
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believe every member of congress wants to address. the president has never -- in my conversations with the president, he has never waivered on his desire to address a solution. let's put aside the rhetoric and the attacks and let's get something done. >> senator gardner, always good to see you. thank you. i want to play some sound from senator lindsey graham. he was talking about the difficulty they face when dealing with this because of staff members at the white house. >> his heart is right on this issue. i think he has good understanding of what will sell. and every time we have a proposal, it is only yanked back by staff members. >> i don't know if he's referring to steven miller or general kelly or whomever. but there does seem to be this issue about what exactly will the president support.
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>> i think the president has been pretty clear about what he wants in exchange for some kind of daca protection but i don't know why they keep expecting to get permission from the white house and what they will pass. they got through government shutdown with little help. when is the senate going to start acting like the senate and the house act like the house and pass some bills and say, if you don't like it, veto it. >> do you agree? >> i think it is a fair point. they do punt quite a bit and say we don't know what trump will support. that's a frustrating position to be in. if you look meeting. what we've learned about trump is he's not steeped in the issues. no surprise. he probably relies on his staff too much. people who have very conservative views on issues like immigration. and he is able to be ruled by them. so it is understandable they have concern but amanda is
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right. they can test it, come one an agreement people can get to and see if he'll sign it or not. >> let me play devil's advocate. let me pretend to be part of gang of six. last week graham and durbin said they thought they had 60 to 70 votes. today they said they don't think they can get close to 60. a number of republican senators that will not support anything president trump says no for any number of reasons including, i don't want the president attacking me as being weak on immigration. >> the idea that graham was talking about the staff. not a rogue staff. donald trump hired them. they are speaking in these jobs because of him. and it has endorsed one bill. it is a very conservative one. the democrats don't like. so we know where he stands. people don't like it.
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legislate the fix. joining me, he was brought from convenient venezuela with his brothers. he was age 11. thanks for joining us. you think democrats failed today to protect you and your fellow d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> i think so. they had a really strong negotiating position in which they can carve out a deal that protected as much of the deal. in good faith, also republicans. what we see here now is that the democrats have seen the way and we have until march 5. but uniformitily, what will happen is that the senate may actually have a timetable to deal with this issue. what about the house? what has speaker reason promised and what will happen in that scenario? what are the restriction. is from the republican party going to do and put forward and more importantly, what ultimately is the president going to do? and you know, way before the march 5 deadline.
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what is at hand right now is one thing. every day congress fails to act and passing legislation, 122 people lose their status. i've been working this over the last ten years, you can see the effects now. in pennsylvania, a young man was pulled over. his passport had expired and he couldn't renew because of the president. he was pulled over because of expired registration. he was processed for deportation. and you can bet from now until march 5, there will be more. >> why don't do you this with chuck schumer? look at that camera there what do you want to tell chuck schumer? >> my message to chuck schumer is simple. we got to this point. what happened? why did the democratic party have to blink first? to me there's just no reason as to why this has to happen. i've been fighting this since i was a junior in high school when i was 17 years old. i've seen the d.r.e.a.m. act
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fail twice in my life. this time i was going all in. i moved to washington, d.c. i met with members of congress, with chuck schumer is that all kinds of leadership from both parties and at the end of the day, here we are again is the can has been kicked down the road. first in september, then december when the fix was going to happen. then january, then february. before you know it, we'll get to particular and who knows what kind of deal we'll have. >> do you think this will cause democrats, especially latino democrats, perhaps, to not turn out to vote in november for democrats in the house and senate elections? >> i think what we've learned thus far is that elections have consequences. what happens when people don't show up. there will be consequences. and we are essentially the main people. and vivid examples as to what's happening. the next time a deal is cut on daca, we have no idea what steven miller or the rest of the party will inject to make sure
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that it is so toxic that the democrats will have, we say this pool of individuals will cave to it. when i look past that, i have to tell you something. i still care about my parents. my parents brought me here. they paid the fees. they did everything right. because of an immigration lawyer that failed us, that mixed up our paperwork, my parents still to this day. they own their own business. they paid their taxes. they deserve a chance, too. whatever deal was cut, you can bet the president and his aide to the white house and the republican party will try everything. >> thanks for being here. we appreciate your time. my panel is back me. i want, there's breaking news right now. the president he met with six republican senators to talk about immigration reform. they are cotton and cornyn, grassley, langford, tillis and purdue. they said we will working with democrats and republicans in the house and senate committed to
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fixing our broken immigration system. i have to say, those are hard liners. cotton, purdue want to reduce the number of legal immigrants coming in. if the president is casting his lot with people referred to as the d.r.e.a.m.ers as illegal immigrants and any sort of path to legal status for the d.r.e.a.m.ers as amnesty, i don't know how you pass a bill in the senate. >> it won't be the bill those 56 proposing. trump may not understand all the intricacies of immigration policy but i think he understands the politics and knows that daca would have to be part of it. there is the possibility that trump sees an opportunity to be a deal maker and redeem himself from being the most irrelevant player in the shutdown resolution. it won't be the deal represented.
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perhaps he's using his influence to talk to democrats. >> it seems like an obvious deal to fast senate. do something for juan e-scalante. i don't know that the two size can come together. >> that has to be where this goes. it is unfortunate they're being used as leverage. donald trump and the republicans are using that population to get solutions so they don't to have come back and have this debate about amnesty in ten or 15 years. and i think that's a reasonable position although it is hard to swallow. i think the good news for someone like juan, i believe donald trump wants to be the person that fix this is problem rather than being the president deports people like was not. and he delayed this action. a reason.led deferred action for it is a form of amnesty. i think calling that it helps negotiations and messages the fact republicans are giving a
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certain kind of amnesty to the small select type of person. if there are goerkss going on, i have no thought that he would issue another waiver. >> juan brought up his parents. it seems to be the republicans want to narrow this down to only the children. the children are the good people. he have one else was a criminal. if you narrow it down carefully, can we limit immigration or not? that's the big issue. the wall is not an issue anymore. daca is not the issue. we want fewer illegal immigrants or more, drop the number down or keep it the same or increase it. it is a real debate with what should it look like. >> i want to say, i think republican who's mean well get tagged as being restrictionists.
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juan was talking about how his papers got mixed up. i have no doubt that someone in the federal government could have helped them had they not been completely overwhelmed with an illegal system tearing them apart. we want to reform the system so it is fair to the people who do the paperwork. >> they are a key part of it. the progressive change committee released this statement today. today's cave by senate democrats led by weak kneed, right of center democrats, is why people don't believe the democratic party stands for anything. your reaction? >> well, this reminds me of the health care debate in twine and 2010. a lot of people in the community were frustrated that there wasn't a single payer option or a government option. ultimately elections are about
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consequences. if democrats controlled something, we would have more leverage and probably daca would have been passed or farther down the line. it is why it will drive people and probably more than just latinos to the polls. it is about a choice between parties. that's where the democrats can still redeem themselves on this front over the next few months. >> we were told that president trump met with doug jones, the new senator from alabama. from west virginia. two democrats, i would imagine, are trying to find some sort of compromise legislation. but maybe as kocor cory gardner suggest, it is not to have 20 democrats and 20 republicans. but 45 republicans and then the doug joneses and doug manchins
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of the world support something. >> and i think ghs news. at some point, i think immigration has been such a political football both sides have kemd it going for the political base. it takes guts for someone like joe manchin to say, i'm willing to talk about it. for far too long, they're focusing on the democrats. they say we'll get everything. amnesty for all or we're not talking and it is no longer tenable. i think they realize it. >> i want to bring in from the white house, thank you for joining us. >> so the clock is ticking and the big question as we go forward is what immigration bill would president trump be willing to sign. we keep hearing from republican that's they really have no idea. take a listen. >> i'm looking for something that president trump supports. and he's not yet indicated what
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measure he is willing to sign. >> i prefer clarity. we're not seeing that from the white house and it does to some degree make our jobs more difficult here on capitol hill. >> i've walked the the president. his heart is right on this issue. i think he has good understanding of what will sell. every time we have a proposal, it is only yanked back by staff members. >> so that was mitch mcconnell, mo brooks and lindsey graham. i guess the question going forward is, is president trump willing to convey clearly what compromises he is willing to make and what exactly he is willing to sign into law? >> sure. i won't negotiate from this live location but i will make this point. you remember in september the president release ad seven-page plan. it got down to three pages. your cameras had a front row seat for a bicameral, bipartisan meeting in the cabinet rule. after you left, they came out with four narrow topics all around the issue of national
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security and how we protect our borders. number one was border security with a wall. number two was ending chain migration. number three, the visa lottery and fourth was a lasting long term solution to the daca issue. that's where he wants to start the negotiation is that's where we have to be to have any deal signed. >> i heard and you it was great television with the 55 minute. but then lindsey graham and dick durbin thought they were bringing president trump exactly that. at least a starting off point with those four items addressed. then he said no. so there remains some confusion about what the president is willing to sign. is he willing to sign anything that contain as path to legal status for the d.r.e.a.m.ers? >> let me address the durbin-graham piece for a moment. that's not true.
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senator zbram senator durbin called the president and said they have a bipartisan bill. they come together with a meeting of the minds to prepare a piece of completion would address terg president outlined. the president was ecstatic. here's the problem. they were completory dishonest. when they brought the plan to the president, it did not do anything to address chain migration. in fact it blew it up and made it bigger. it gave amnesty and then it didn't touch but .1 what dhs demanded this country needs. not what it wants but what it needs. it was 10%. woefully underfunded. so the idea, and back to graham and durbin, to pretend they had to get together and have a meeting of the minds so they could come together in immigration. they've been in lock step for decades. they want open borders. they want amnesty. i'm from south carolina. i've known man for a long time.
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and it is fine. he can take position. to pretend he is anything other than someone who wants open borders and amnesty is disingenuous. >> i'm sure they would take issue with your characterization. but i want to double back to the question, is president trump willing to sign into law anything, let's pause it now. that it contains lots of border wall funding. let's say that it changes immigration policy so that chain migration or family reunification is reduced and skills are increased, effort. it also cluts a path to legal status for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. something like. that if it contains the path for d.r.e.a.m.ers, he would be willing to sign it? >> a lot of hypotheticals. let's pretend the three pieces are there and let's focus on daca. the president is being clear that he wants a long term
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solution. he is willing to have the conversation. he is willing to negotiate. we know la some democrats want and some republicans want. anything relates to talking, a pathway to legalization, a pathway to citizenship. it has to be tethered to three main points including a wall. >> always good to see you. thank you for joining us. >> so can republicans and democrats find any middle ground and come one a long term solution? we have more coming. you might take something for your heart... or joints. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is the number one selling brain-health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember.
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terms of their description of what happened. and then said they want open borders. they want amnesty. i'm from south carolina. i've known man, meaning lindsey graham, for a long time. he can take whatever position he wan wants. step outside of the trump years for a second. stark for a republican white house deputy white house press stoekt accuse a republican senator, someone who has been trying to have a good relationship with the white house, of being dishonest and open borders. that's harsh. >> two words come to mind. arrogant and classless. if you're going to make the charges, he needs to say when he's being dishonest about. he said he was lying about immigration negotiations what exactly was wrong a pro poetsal that graham is durbin brought to you? i can read between lines and say they're upset that they can impose temporary status.
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why can't they go off and say that? if you want to get a deal, talk about the policy rather than the politicians. they seem incapable of doing this for some reason. and i feel sorry for senator graham. i've watched him all over the weekend. he is clearly working his heart out to make deal. that guy went to the white house again and again. and they trash him? what jerks! >> it is -- >> if they can -- >> what she said. >> i know when i covered the obama white house, i know you guys felt that way about some of your points. both republicans and democrats. but you never said it publicly. >> because president obama would never have accepted that. and he wouldn't have thought that was abhorrent behavior and that is a big driver of how people behavior in the white house. this is meaning. demeaning the office and the
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public servants and it is taking the presidency down a notch. it is not just about lindsey graham and dick durbin. this is a pattern. they attack reporters and members of congress. they name call. and that's not how we should be conducting ourselves. the obama white house attacked reporters in a very different way. >> sure. just for the record. >> it is attacking dishonesty, the legitimacy of the craft. >> absolutely. i do want to say, in hogan and president trump's defense, the democrats just blinked. i don't see what they conceded. >> the democrats, lindsey graham and jeff flake have been trying to work in a bipartisan way and the colleagues have ignored them. he is no longer relevant to interview when you think about
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the republican position on immigration. >> and jeff flake is retiring. it is not as if the white house has ignored graham and flake. and i would argue over the top in doing so. but they're right. the republicans want the shutdown. ignoring flake and schumer. >> i guess the big question is, where is the path to something to fast senate? even republican voters. more so than lindsey graham or flake or me. how do you get legislation passed if you're out there calling them dishonest and disingenuous and they want open borders and you see the web ad saying that they're complicit in the murders committed by illegal immigrants. >> which maybe helped president trump and his staff feel in their hearts and maybe we're just all in denial about it. it is entirely possible. the reality is he can continue
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to sign waivers. that is a choice he can make. he's done that on iran. it is a little lower key than getting legislation passed or not. democrats, if you're being entirely cynical, will have a huge rallying cry for the base if there is still uncertainty around daca. most look at the options. you know, will something pass through senate? it seems hard. it seems hard for that to happen and especially since we have no idea where trump is. >> what do you think happens in two and a half weeks? do you think mitch mcconnell, let's assume, that they don't come one an agreement on this massive immigration bill/disaster relief/health care, slash shrifting the cams on defense spending and non-discretionary spending? i think it is a safe assumption. so then mitch mcconnell.
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does he keep his promise? >> listen, having an open debate doesn't happen much in the senate but it doesn't mean anything either. any senator can force a vote any time they wish. we were hated because we used parliamentary tools to do something like. that i would recommend the democrats try that. so mitch mcconnell, yeah, go ahead and talk your hearts out. we'll have another debate whether to fund the government. nothing happens and a few weeks later, they issue another debate for the d.r.e.a.m.ers and we continue he the charade some more. >> which 11 republicans want to vote for a daca bill? particularly if donald trump isn't for it. you have to get to 60 somewhere. rerestrictionist. but a talk style bill, it only has lindsey graham, cory gardner, maybe a few others. if donald trump and his staff are against it and talking like
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at the could now, i don't see how the republicans get behind it. and you're assuming that all 49 democrats vote for it. and i don't know that you can make assumption. sever democrats today voted against reopening the government. among them were cory booker and kamala harris. stay with us. you can squeeze on between friday and monday at hilton? there's a vacation at the end of every week. whatever type of weekender you are, don't let another weekend pass you by. get the lowest price when you book at we packed new banquet mega bowls full of majestic piles of cheddar mac n cheese, smothered in mozzarella.
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or others who might be running for president in 2020 voted against reopening the government and might not be will to protect d.r.e.a.m.ers but also the wall. >> you're right. the closer we get to november 2018, the harder it is for reasons on both sides. many have a tough re-election but also people who run for president want to be as much as possible, they look at history and they see votes like for the iraq war funding. for health care issues. they say these votes could determine whether or not i could compete in iowa. >> it is a race to the left. >> exactly. and that is how the primary system is set up. >> i remember when clint voted against funding the troops in iraq because they had iowa on
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their minds. she said the lack of resolution for the d.r.e.a.m.ers is one of the most crushing things has happened because we have such strong public support. she continued on saying, i'm not going to criticize anybody because anybody can make a blunder. she seems to be suggesting that chuck schumer might have made a blunder. >> i don't think she would be saying this. she's been someone in the past who voted for government funding bills and she is not a super liberal traditionally. i think we're getting into the right issue. talk about the wings of the outside of the party. so the question is, trump is meeting with doug jones. that's what i've heard today. it is the kind of person behind
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it. doug jones from alabama. that's who is in the room for something like that to happen. >> do you think he would sign something like that? if the conservatives hard liners hate it, he would get deal? >> i think he loves to be the person to say i fixed issue. he would lord it over them festival also fixed lottery system and chain migration and got the wall started, i think that would be a great deal. the fact democrats are saying we're willing to talk about the wall. i'm a little single cal. do they think they would retake the house and never fund it? yeah. they may be thinking that. but chuck schumer has been willing to go to the table on it. so i think it is easy to solve. it will require the democrats wanting to then d.r.e.a.m.ers enough to give on the other three things. apparently when trump talked, he said $20 billion for the wall of schumer agreed to authorize that. when i brought it up on swunld
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the budget director, he said yes, authorize but not appropriate. that means the actual money. >> the wall has been authorized since 2006 when they came together and said we'll build the wall. they just never put the money up and democrats see it as colossal waste of money. >> not just democrats. >> and it is something that's taking away from their core priorities. so it is a symbolic thing, as you pointed out, to say you'll authorize it or support the wall. it gives trump a rallying call. it could be that in some ways, i don't think democrats care as much substantively about it as much as politically but they're willing to give on it which tells you something about the d.r.e.a.m.ers and how important that issue is. >> the bigger issue is immigration. who gets into this country.
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people with family coming in as opposed to people with skills that can benefit the united states. that will be the real tough part. >> the president and his team really want to limit people who come in through family immigration. that's something that a lot of republicans don't agree and a lot of democrats don't agree. we haven't mentioned these three words. >> i think we've been talking about the challenge with the senate. then the question is, can anything that could pass the senate make it through the house? >> i think we're going in the right direction. it is not just are you for amnesty, we're talking about how many family members would we have in the country? are we talking about visa lotteries or will sending refugees here. that is a much better policy debate. more productive than anything
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we've had. >> thank you one and all. you can see the senate floor. that goes to the house next. then president trump. the government will soon reopen. thank you one and all for being here. be sure to follow me on twitter. that's it for "the lead." i turn it over to wolf blitzer in the situation room. >> happening now. breaking news. 17-day deal. senators agreed to reopen the government with the democratic leadership saying there are now 17 days to make a deal on immigration. but the party's progressive wing says it is fool hardy to believe the republican leadership will go waning. >> taking credit. the president takes credit to reopen the government but he stayed out of sight during negotiations. was he forced to the sidelines by his own staffers? refusing to share. the fbi says the chairman of the house intelligence committee won't share his