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factor. >> i am sitting next to it. >> reporter: it has turned to ick. >> thanks for joining us. "ac 360 starts right now. we do it because obviously he is the president of the united states. what a president says matters still and whether those statements can be trusted that certainly matters. keeping them honest, beyond just their raw factaulty, you can draws your own conclusion about. that not far from mar-a-lago
today, were funerals. two classmates will be laid to rest tomorrow and funerals con the throughout the week. the president tweeted and played golf today. he did not mention them in his tweets. he tweeted yesterday. the president did not mention him seethe. nor did he mention the funeral for alissa alhadeff. if you listen to his words in the immediate wake of the shootings, he made the promise. >> to every parent, teacher and child, who is hurting so badly, we are here for you. whatever you need, whatever we can do to ease your pain. >> we are here for you he said,
whatever we can do to ease your pain. teleprompter trump sounds like someone who is a consoler in chief. this is not acceptable, they are spending too much time trying to prove russian collusion with the trump cap pain, there is no collusion. get back to the basics and make us proud. that is a pivot away from the murder of 17 people to himself. we talked on friday how the president's response had nothing to do with defending the country from a hostile act. he made that tweet everything about himself and nothing about those 17 lives. and on top of that, he is factually off base.
this was not his only factually challenged tweet. wasn't his only tweet that was centered on himself. i want to take them in order. saturday afternoon talking about the indictments quote, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein stated at the news conference, there is no allegation in the indictment that any american was knowing participants in -- to use the words in this indictment. which also as you will recall named quote persons known and unknown to the grand jury. both suggest more to come. rod rosenstein himself made it clear the problem is ongoing. the indictment says nothing one way or another about collusion. also saturday afternoon there was this. quote, funny how the fake news
media don't want to say the russian group was formed in 2014 long before my run for president. maybe they knew i was going to run even though i didn't know. keeping them honest, that was wildly reported. the document also clearly states by the time candidate trump was the nominee, the russian effort was to hurt hillary clinton and to help him online and on the ground. by saturday night, tweeting again. and then he lashed out at his own national security advisor for saying this. >> as you can see with the fbi indictment, the evidence is now really incontrovertible and available in the public domain whereas in the past it was difficult to attribute for a couple of reasons.
you didn't want to divulge your intelligence capability. now that this is in the arena of a law enforcement investigation, it is going to be apparent to everyone. >> apparent except for the president. who tweeted this out. general mcmaster forget to say that the erection was not changed -- and that's -- outcome, what we do know is the indictment lays out a clear intent to. helping third party candidates trying to suppress the minority vote, fake rallies the works. blaming it all on the last president. his tweet. little adam schiff, now blaming the obama administration.
>> we should have called them out much earlier. while i respect the motive, they didn't want to be seen as meddling. the american people had a right to know what was going on. and they should have defended being more public and aggressive at the time at least in my view. >> now, it is a completely fair point to debate. but it is untrue to say they did nothing as the president has. intelligence committee weighed. and he tried to get congress to act but was blocked. he confronted vladimir putin face to face. and all of those things were reported at the time on cable
news. also, the president tried to suggest he never really down-played the russian threat quote i never did say ruche did not meddle in the election. i said it may be russia. here is what he actually said board air force one last fall. every time he sees me, he said i didn't do that. and i believe that when he tells me that he means it. and well it is three, and one is brennan and one is whatever, give me a break, they are political hacks. you can decide for yourself if he down-played the threat there. tweeted about nascar, new apolopoling he liked. an interview by oprah.
let's bring in the panel. is it fair for the president to suggest that if fbi resources were not attached to the special counsel russia probe. >> what that does is inject politics in the equation. and distracts us from getting to the bottom of what happened. and that is one of the instances that the fbi is targeted. fbi agents similar to journalists are trained to question everything in order to identify under tones and intent. to determine if we are being told the truth. and with information now at our fingertips now, they can follow along well. let me tick through a couple of these attacks. the first one being, when the fbi hears the attack in florida
could have been stopped if resources were not diverted to the russia investigation, they ask themselves is this a concern that the fbi could be better. when the fbi hears that the organization is in tatters and political manipulation going on. is this an attempt to obfuscate for political reasons. if you remember back in july in 2016 when the fbi director called out a lot of the bad judgment by secretary clinton, democrats slammed the fbi. were they concerned about the sanctity of doj guidelines. there is something else at play here >> the idea that the president
could find himself -- >> it doesn't shock me. i do not believe the congress of the united states will not be able to investigate this. there is a variety of actors here. those actors include state mental health officials, police, the school that expelled him, the fbi, social media organizations. i would argue it tells me there should be an independent group like the independent group that we -- we don't have to do that. we don't have to work about improving mental health and gun control. we can blame christopher wray and the fbi. >> it is also fascinating that the president going after mcmaster undermining him because
he didn't go far enough in clearing the president and harping on the president's line about no collusion, nothing to do with trump. >> well, it is the problem the president doesn't have genuine interest in this investigation except for constantly talking about how it relates to him. so we have this treasure trove of new information that most people would be interested in. and all of this comes out and inste instead all he can think about is himself and you have to keep saying talking points on this. >> do you find it odd president trump is trying to blame russian interference on president obama? whether you know that was effective or not. >> well, i think president obama
made a big mistake and he deserves to take blame for that. i think the fbi made a colossal error. and i hope that is investigated. the problem is that what donald trump is trying to do is to change the subject. and so yes, we should look, you know, president obama i think made an error in judgment. yes, the fbi made a colossal error. that is not the topic right now. he is changing the subject. he is diverting attention and i think it is shameful that the president would go after the fbi and try to politicize that in a way, to politicize the death of 17 school kids. i think it is shameful and no doubt in my mind that is what he is doing. >> can i add -- >> go ahead. >> on that topic as well, i think it does a disservice to the men and women of the fbi.
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talking about the president's tweets this weekend and today everything that it has to do with russia as it relates to him. every time he sees me, he says i didn't do that and i believe that when he tells me that he means it. but he says i didn't do that and then you hear 17 agencies and well it is three. and one is brennan and whatever. they are political hacks. >> one of the things that is amazing to me is given the informational warfare to use the russian term and the doj used. we still have not heard anything from the president about manning the ramparts and what his administration is going to do
about this. i mean, we didn't hear it friday, his statement was all about himself and haven't heard it saturday and sunday, watching oprah and playing golf and not talking about the funerals. tweeting about everything other than what he wants this country to do to defend itself. >> i guess it is within the realm of possible, and i don't want you to laugh at this, but it is in the realm of possibility that he is doing something covertly. i would love to believe that the administration is working very hard on this problem to make sure it doesn't happen in the midterms to make sure it doesn't happen in 2020. but that sounds pretty naive. i mean really no reason for us to believe that donald trump is taking this seriously. i don't think he has ever said anything bad about vladimir putin or russia. initially i think early on, i didn't agree with it, but there
was an argument to be made that donald trump believed that the world had changed and that the existential threat, was now the global war on terror and russia and america could partner against terrorism. that was at least a rationale and now with clear evidence that russia sought there is no dispute, that they sought to interfere in our elections. if he can't muster the moral courage and rhetoric to stand up against it, i would be surprised that they were doing anything on the ground to to stop it. >> chris wray testified a week or two ago to say i think according to reporting by "the new york times", there hadn't been a cabinet meeting about it and how to fight back against
it. >> i will take you inside the guts of government for a moment. the department of homeland security should be talking about elections. the cia ought to be conducting covert action. you see those interworking parts and that is one place where it comes together and that is in the situation room in the white house. this is sort of common government 101, a lot of moving parts here. we have to make sure the mentioning is right. we have to make sure that corresponds with what the department of state is saying overtly to the russians. can't have any confidence that the president has directsed them to participate in those
conversations. >> and the president likes to portray himself as strong, a tough guy, and yet his greatest weakness is that he cannot separate his own phobias and insecurities and doubts from the good of the country. i mean, he can't focus on russia because any time russia is talked about, he believes it weakens him as a president. that is a huge weakness. >> and there is nothing about this tweet storm, right. i think over the weekend that projects any kind of strength either. it is concerning when you consider all of the things that have been going on. the news of russia and the horrif horrific shooting in florida. nothing to add to the conversation except the name calling. and to concoct this other
narrative about russia just as you went through in the beginning of the show. just completely false. not connected to reality. >> i mean, josh, the irony is the president could call up hiss director of national intelligence any time he wants and tell me about the interference and there is no indication it is happening. >> compare that to 2016 agencies coming together. it showed the process was working and you had smart people trying to come up with good ideas. in this instance, we may be more focused on looking back, retroactively in what happened in the last election that the government is not equipped to looking forward. they need the leadership to do
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in russia. what have you learned? >> reporter: we learned that special counsel robert mueller is asking questions about jared kushner's personal dealings during the transitions. asking about discussions kushner had with chinese and qatari investors. the discussions revolve around the building manhattan at 666 fifth avenue. we are told that the special counsel hasn't asked jared kushner company for information. a spokesperson for the special counsel declined.
we were told another anonymous source with questionable motives contradicts the facts in all of mr. kush ner's extensive. any reason to question these regular business transactions. we have multiple sources for the stories. these questions were being asked. and kushner himself may not have been asked. >> what do we know about the meetings that took place? >> reporter: the meetings is that these are meetings that have to do with chinese investors anbang.
and as a company was looking to invest in the property, there was talk between kushner company and this chinese investor. there is also a qatari investor and we are told that deal fell through. we are told this is why mueller is asking questions about it. >> and do we know what mueller might be focusing in on based on the types of questions he is asking. >> we are told it was explained to us as mueller is exploring. the idea is to see if there were any promises made to any companies, any investors, once kushner got into the white house. this was during the transition as kushner was getting ready to
come into the administration. >> appreciate it. adam entis joining me. >> adam, in your piece, you write that jared kushner is their dream come true or lucky charm. >> what happened was chinese were trying to find ways to influence trump campaign and later during the transition and later as a president and they used an entry point through henry kissinger who made the introduction. and they wanted to get the chinese in the front of the
queue. and jared was facilitated in that. and the chinese reported to beijing. and this was intercepted by u.s. intelligence agency and found that the chinese felt they were getting everything and more than they expected in terms of access and toning down some of the more hostile rhetoric that they saw during the campaign where trump was accusing china for example of raping the united states and using rhetoric like that. >> kushner has repeatedly disregarded the advisers of doing things like meeting one-on-one. he is confident that his way is the best way of doing things
despite having limited world experience. >> he feels as though the world of real estate was a good primer preparing him for the role that he has played now as a diplomat and as a policy maker. but obviously, professionals who have done this for their careers have a different view. what was happening in kushner's case because he was having these meetings be himself or with an aide in his office is that other diplomats were relying on intercepts of chinese communications in order to find out what jared was discussing with his chinese counter parts and not just chinese in this case, but other countries as well. he tended to have these meetings, by himself and thought he was capable of doing that and frankly, we have no information that suggests that he did anything inappropriate in these
meetings. we are referring to what other countries are reporting. >> you also wrote kushner said either i am qualified to handle state secrets or not understand to understand state secrets. he hasn't been able to get a security clearance. it would some to indicate he would not be qualified. >> yeah. the adjudication process that is done by the fbi is very opaque. it is hard to really know what the issues are that might be impeding his getting this permanent clearance. according to the officials we spoke to, it is a combination of things. in addition to his misreporting he says by accident his foreign contacts when submitting his initial disclosure forms, there is also the issue of these
intercepts where he is having these meetings including with the chinese ambassador in which he is discussing according to the intelligence, he is discussing not only policy matters but also his personal business matters. now, jared through a spokesperson told husband that that was not true. that he did not discuss mix business with policy. but you know, it is the kind of thing that frankly when the fbi agents who are doing these investigations, when they see something like this, it is a red flag and they are not going to sign off on giving a permanent clearance until they figure out what is happening behind the scenes. >> thanks for your reporting. >> thank you. in the middle of the grief in parkland, florida there is word that the president may consider one gun control issue. and we will take a look at that next.
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the funerals continue in parkland florida. in the aftermath, the white house says the president supports efforts to improve the federal background check system. our pamela brown joins us with the latest. what more do we know these alleged improvements the president might support? >> reporter: under this bill the goal would be to strengthen the background check system by holding local and federal law enforcement agencies accountable. the aim would be to strengthen it by creating these incentives. it is worth noting here, even if the bill is passed and became law, it would not have prevented what we saw in florida.
in that case, the gunman had a clean criminal history and had not been declared mentally defective by a judge. >> the president was discussing gun control at mar-a-lago this weekend. >> reporter: that's right. we were told from sources that the gun issue was on top of the president's mind among other things according to his twitter account. he was talking to his friends, his family, his sons, and what to do about the issue and how to make it harder for young people from buying the guns. he did see the protest from the students. and said he wanted to do something but unclear what exact steps should be taken here. here at the white house, the president will be meeting with high school students here on tuesday and what the white house is dubbing a listening session.
>> thanks very much. students at the school are turning their grief into activism. they are following some big footsteps. they started an organization to fight the gun violence. captain kelly joins me from tucson. >> well, it is a step in the right direction. we just haven't seen that much from republican members of the house and senate or from this president. so i would say, you know, anything like support for background check bill would be great. it would be important that he actually follows that up and convinces republican members of the house and senate and even sometimes some democrats too to
support the bill to get a vote on the floor of the senate, the floor of the house so we could eventually see it on his desk. i think it is a positive thing. >> senator blumenthal said it may seem like a baby step and this one could be important in breaking the ice of complicit that has paralyzed congress. >> it seems like the nra and other gun control groups fight any effort they deem in the first step in the slippery slope. >> if he was really interested in passing a piece of legislation, unfortunately because of the money in politics specifically corporate money like money from the national rifle association and the support you know that he got, i would think, you know, you know one step for him is going to be to try to convince the national
rifle association to not to go after members of congress that would support a piece of legislation like this. >> 100 students are preparing to head to tallahassee to put pressure on lawmakers. this is something you and i have talked about, where you have focused your efforts at the state level, what state legislation needs to change most? >> florida because of the florida legislation and this governor rick scott has some of the weakest gun laws in our country. you know, one thing that could be done in florida that would address what happened in parkland would be something like an extreme risk protection order or what is called a gun violence restraining order. we have helped pass these things in california, oregon,
washington, connecticut. and this gives the ability to law enforcement when they find somebody who is clearly dangerous for some mental health issues to be able to make sure they can't buy a gun or don't own a gun at least temporarily. it would be a great step for florida and in this situation, it could have changed things. >> are those the sort of so-called red flag laws. >> i don't know if red flag is the best term for it. not what it is called in other states. but that is the concept it gives law enforcement the stools. f -- the tools. and we are constantly pushing for these things. the politics in this issue is changing. we have got to convince people to vote on this issue and hold their state legislations accountable for the decisions they are making on this issue.
i mean, 15-25 times the death rate, is unacceptable. >> that is one of the things we have seen in past elections and polls in a national election. even people who oppose, who want some sort of gun regulation or more gun control, it is not one of the top issues that they are voting on. >> that has been the case for decades i would say. it is not one of the top issues, but we are changing that. in 2017, and in the election, the house of delegates, the election in virginia, we did some exit polling and did some real polling after that election to see what was the number one issue driving people to the polls. and i think, i have to say, i think it was 40% of the people put gun violence at the top or
the second position. so we are changing the politics. it is a lot of hard work. our organization is working incredibly hard and we are up against an opponent that has a lot of financial resources and that got us in this position. >> captain kelly, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks for having me on. >> students protest across the nation. this is a lie-in.
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year. allison cameron asked them how many guns they knew the shooter to own and they said, quote, a few. today we also learned more about the shooter's history of disturbing behavior through the release of a report from the florida department of children and families. specifically, there was an incident in september of 2016 where investigators went to the shooter's home, spoke with him, s and his adopted mother. there they learned he had been cutting himself on snapchat. he had bought a gun and written nazi symbols and racial phrases on his backpack. his adoptive mother said that began after a breakup with hi girlfriend. despite the behavior investigators learned up there, they determined his risk behavior as low, that he wasn't a danger to himself or others. >> what about this listening session the president is going
to be holding? >> reporter: we don't know much, anderson. we know that president trump will be holding what they call a listening session on wednesday. beyond that, it's unclear. we don't know who will be participating. they said, we won't come to him, he will need to come to us. a previously announced town hall that cnn will be holding on wednesday night, but the president has declined to attend. it will be held in an arena nearby the high school. >> in washington today, 17 people took part in a lie-in representing the 17 killed in parkland. they were quickly joined by demonstrations across the street from the white house. joining me now is alex wynn, a survivor at the high school. he helped push his classmates back into the classroom. he is one of the kids demanding gun control. alex, i appreciate you being
with us. the survivors, teachers, students of the shooting, you said you would not attend the listening session. why? >> he was given the opportunity to come speak to us with cnn in the town hall and he declined that opportunity. i personally have not been invited to the white house, and if i am invited, i will not be in attendance. i will be speaking at the town hall this wednesday. >> toii want to read one of the president's tweets over the weekend. he wrote, very sad that the fbi missed all the signals sent out by the florida school shooter. this is not acceptable. they are spending too much time trying to prove russian collusion with the trump campaign. there is no collusion. get back to the basics. what do you think of what the president tweeted this week? >> the first half of that tweet is semi-fine. the fbi did make a mistake in not investigating nikolas cruz
earlier. but this is about us. this is about the students of parkland. people are dying and he is doing nothing about it. instead he talked about russia and collusion and his campaign. >> there are possibly efforts to strengthen the background check for weapons. does that give you any hope that he is listening? >> i know he's listening. and the fact that he said that does give me hope. however, i want to see action. i don't want to see talk. i want him to put a bill out. i want congress to put a bill out saying we need stricter background checks. here's how we're going to do it. a 19-year-old who can't purchase an alcoholic beverage should not be allowed to purchase an ar-15, a weapon of war, a weapon of destruction. it's absolutely absurd. >> i know you and other students have started this group called never again msd. what do you hope to accomplish with it and what do you plan to
do? >> when we started never again msd, it started as a central space where people could talk and people could share their feelings. now it's turned into a movement. it's turned into an absolutely insane phenomenon where people are coming to us offering us help, and we're trying to demand action, and we are going to demand action. on march 24, when we warmarch o washington, d.c. when we march for our lives. we're also mannrching for our children's lives, our children's children's lives. no child should have to feel the way myself felt and everyone else felt on wednesday when the shooting happened. >> i understand that you and others from this group say that you'll not return to school until laws have actually been changed. >> you know, i would like to say that i don't want to return to school. however, i know that day is going to have to come where i will eventually have to. and that day is going to be terrifying, to be completely
honest. i'm terrified to go back to school. i want change to happen so badly. i don't want to feel unsafe in my own school. a school is supposed to be a place where we learn, where we gain knowledge, and that's how we've all been able to be speaking to you today, because of the knowledge we've gained from marjorie stoneham douglas high school. that's why we've done the movement. we don't want to feel unsafe in school. >> alex, i'm sorry we're speaking under these circumstances and i appreciate you talking to us. thank you. >> thank you. stay with us. we have a lot more ahead. president trump is back at the white house after his three-day florida trip where he spent a great deal of time tweeting. we also have breaking news from cnn counsel looking into business activities of his son-in-law, jared kushner. it's inspected by mercedes-benz factory-trained technicians. or it isn't. it's backed by an unlimited mileage warranty, or it isn't. for those who never settle, it's either mercedes-benz certified pre-owned,
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