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new democratic memo defends fbi conduct in the russia investigation and says several trump campaign aides were facing 2016 scrutiny. >> certainly the memo was a nothing. i had no phone calls. no meetings. no nothing. there is no collusion. plus a shift in the guns debate that's student survivors demand action.
>> our message is if you aren't with us, you're against us. we're trying to save the lives of innocent children. the conservative movement that candidate trump rolls out the red carpet for president trump. >> remember i started running and people say, are you sure he's a conservative? i think now we've proved i'm a conservative. "inside politics" the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters now. welcome to "inside politi " politics." to our viewers in the united states and around the world thank you for sharing this sunday. a newly released memo on russian election meddling is on sharp attack by president trump. it shows it was under way weeks before the fbi learned about that steele dossier and discloses several trump campaign associates were the subject of fbi inquiry by september 2016. >> that document really verifies the new nez mem and that's why
they didn't push hard to have it. they understood this was going to happen and just in looking around and seeing reports, a lot people are saying that. that's a very bad document for their side. >> democrats disagree with that plus important shifts in america's gun debate following that florida school massacre. the governor is breaking from the nra. president trump sending mixed signals on the age debate. he prefers to emphasize arming some teachers. >> these teachers love their students and these teachers are talented with weaponry and with dwunz and i'd rather have somebody that loves their students and wants to protect their students than somebody standing outside that doesn't know anybody and doesn't know the students and, frankly, for whatever reason decided not to go in even though he will heard lots of shots being fired. >> call this extreme makeoff
political evision. cpac is a trump love fest and campaign stage. >> don't worry you're getting the wall. don't worry. we salute our great american flag, he with put our hands on our hearts for the pledge of allegiance and we all proudly stand for the national anthem. in america we don't worship government, we worship god. >> with us this sunday to share the reporting and their incites, julie hemp feld david, john mccormick and margaret tell. we begin with the major twists of the russian investigation. parts of it heavily redacted by the government. president trump rushed to call it a bust and absent facts the
president again accused of fbi and democrats of illegal conduct. >> i will tell you that was really just a confirmation if you call it the republican memo or the nunes memo, but that was nothing but a confirmation and a lot of bad things happened on the other side, not on this side but on the other side. >> since -- >> what they did is really fraudulent and somebody should be looking in to that and by somebody i'm talking about you know who. >> that's the president's take and you probably know who he means by you know who. some facts, few key points in the new democratic memo that undercut key arguments made. the republicans memo, the democratic memo or the schiff memo details had a the fbi opened the investigation 7 weeks before it received its first indication, first information from the steele dossier. the fbi had interviewed carter
page early in 2016 about russian intelligence contacts well before page has said he was interviewed. by september of 2016, the fbi had opened subinquirieses into trump campaign associates. in getting the first fisa warrant it did say that steele had political ties and some of the money for his reporting had political moltvations. in the fisa renewal, it had information to corroborate parts of the steele documents. the president says it's all a fraud. it helps him. let's deal first with the new revelations and the facts in the democratic memo. how does it advance the story? >> it did confirm one thing which was the steele dossier was not, in fact, the reason they opened the investigation and what their role might have been in this russia situation. but the new information here that advances the story is the fbi obviously found some
corroborating evidence, enough to be investigating more members of the trump campaign circle than we previously new about and that information did not come solely from the dossier but was confirmed apart from the dossier. the fbi had been looking at this for a much longer time than if you read the nunes memo you would have thought. what this tells you is they had credible reason to be going down these paths and the story here -- a lot of it was redacted, the story is a lot more expansive than you would think than if you just read the republican memo that makes it think it came from the dossier. the other key revelation is the fisa court was told about the fact that the dossier came from and was funded in some way by political money by someone with an agenda against donald trump. >> these are judges that were appointed by republicans. >> four republican judges. the republicans try to suggest
there's conspiracy in the fbi among democrats in the judiciary we should make clear there were four republican judges and part of this started in the obama administration carried over into the trump administration when these were improved by the trump justice department. >> the democratic memo even in its redacted form does not substantiate and underscore all the points that devin nunes was making. the president seems to be pursuing that point. assuring the base, trying to assure the center of the country, it's a little bit confused by all this any way. you can just read this memo and judge for yourself. it doesn't the take that long to read. >> one important is we got to see a piece of fisa application. it comes down to a semantic disagreement. the republicans are not disappointing the facts in the democratic schiff memo that allege or that point out that the court was told there was a
political bias from. the quote from the fisa application was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit obviously donald trump. so people can decide from that whether the court was sufficiently inform about the political bias or not. because it didn't specify that it was the dnc -- >> they should have said that. what the fbi would say in court documents like this -- only when they have to do they get specific about their sources. >> when you get to the point that there are political biased document can be part of it. that's a valid debate to have. the last thing i point out there there are three renewals to the fisa application. you have to show that the information is bearing fruit to get the renewals. the argument that this was entirely a witch hunt against the trump campaign doesn't hold up. >> i think that it's also important that the democratic memo says the specific information about carter page
was corroborated independently in subsequent renewals. i do -- this is the narrow question of page. this doesn't undermine the entire russia investigation. was it independently verified before the warrant was taken out? i think that is an important outstanding question. you would like to look at the underlying fisa application if we could. >> if we could is a great question. maybe this will lead to more transparency. if you listen to what the president said last night and listen here the author of the republican memo at krrgs pack yesterday saying we wanted this out. it makes our case. >> we wanted it out. we want it out because he with think it is clear evidence that the democrats are not only trying to cover this up but they're also colluding with parts of the government to help cover this up. what you're not going to see is anything that actually rejects what was in our memo.
>> actually, what you do see are things that specifically reject things in their memo. sorry p congressman, but facts are stubborn things. the president of the united states and devin nunes continuing their campaign to essentially say don't believe anything the democrats or the fbi, including my administration from the president's standpoint, tell you. the democrats are not only trying to cover this up, they're colluding with parts of the gft. donald trump runs the government or donald trump appointed the fbi director and the deputy attorney general is in charge of bob mueller. the republicans are saying that the trump administration is conspiring against the trump administration. >> and the president said last night on fox news that you know who and that clearly that's jeff sessions attorney general with whom he has been live individual for many months. consider isn't he investigating their crimes, not only does devin nunes's argument not hold water but anyone who cares to read that memo can see that.
this is clearly a public relations tactic. we need to tell them -- >> the timings not a coincidence. you're going after the investigators at a time just on friday rick gates the deputy campaign chairman flips. you have george papadopoulos, national security adviser to the president of the united states, rick gates, you have three guilty please from people who worked for the trump campaign, one of whom worked in the trump campaign. paul manafort remains under indictment. this adds to the growing list of charges from the special counsel's investigation. you can understand why the -- >> look at the democrats. there is still a fundamentally important question which is carter page, but was he acting at the behest of donald trump for whatever he was doing or was he acting on his own or was he
acting at the behest of manafort? all that is really important. >> was he acting at the behest the russians? >> in his laser like focus to say that he himself had no idea what the russians were doing, president trump has also been trying to take off the table the idea that anyone affiliated with his campaign was trying to do that i just think we don't know that at all based on the cases as proceeding right now. it points in the opposite direction. so many connections to the putin regime, ukrainian regime. so many of those questions under the microscope right now. >> in the democratic memo it discloses several other trump campaign associates who are under scrutiny as of september 2016. we don't know who they are. we know papadopoulos is one and carter page is another. could one of them be jared kushner who was also in the news this week because the president of the united states says it's
now up to general kelly, one of the reasons he's under scrutiny in the russia special counsel investigation. this is up to my chief-of-staff but i hope he's listening to me. >> general kelly respects jared a lot and general kelly will make that call. i won't make that call. i will let theion who's right here make that call, but jared's doing some very important things for our country. i will let general kelly make that decision and he's going to do what's right for the country and i have no doubt he'll make the right decision. >> in court i think a good judge might call that leading the witness. can general kelly now say no i'm listening -- i'm taking his clearance. >> the president has the ability to intervene. he's trying to make it very clear that eegz not planning to do that in this case.
there are other ways of intervening, no pressure, he's right here and my son-in-law is a good guy and, by the way, it's very sensitive stuff he's been working on and he needs his clearance for that. it's clear how president trump wants this to come out. general kelly does have flexibility in terms of timing. there's an issue whether this past friday was the date whether he would have to decide on whether jared kushner could keep his clearance or weeks in the future. this is going to come to a head sooner rather than later. >> interesting week or weeks ahead. the new generation shakes um-america's gun debate but is the president already dialing back his promises.
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i understand what it's like to text my parents good-bye, i might not ever get to see you again. i love you. i understand what it's like to fear for your life. >> and because of moments like this at the trump white house. >> because my daughter has no voice. she was murdered last week and she was taken from us. shot nine times on the third floor. we as a country failed our children. this shouldn't the happen. >> will there be significant federal policy changes? president trump was clearly moved by what he heard at the white house and listen here, promised to take the lead. >> we're going to do strong background checks, we're going to work on getting the age up to 21 instead of 18. we're getting rid of the bump stocks and we're going to be focusing very strongly on mental
health. >> but the national rifle association quickly made clear is opposes raising the age limit on the firearm. he did not mention the age limit on friday when discussing gun policy on three separate occasions. instead emphasizing a plan to allow teachers to carry concealed firearms. then this last night on fox. >> i think we're going to have a great bill put forward very soon. having to do with background checks and perhaps we'll do something -- you know, on age because it doesn't seem to make sense that you have to wait till you're 21 years old to get a pistol but to get a gun like this maniac used in the school you get that at 18. >> he came back to the age proposal last night after dropping it on friday after the nra said that's not something we're open to doing. the question is, and the president also tweeted that
arming the teachers should be up to the states. what will we get from an i want congress to do this from the president and if he's waffling at all, doesn't that like obamacare repeal and replace mean that you're never going to get something through the conservative house unless the president says this, this and this. >> the one thing he has supported was raising the rifle age has been opposed. that tells you a lot. there's enough energy in congress among republicans to resist this sort of thing. president trump should be noted as talked a lot about background checks. is he talking about the fikz nix bill. is it about closing the private sale loophole where a person can buy a gun off craigslist or the internet without a background check? the president has not said. we don't really know what he's talking about. we do know there's no appetite,
no indication among republican leaders who run congress to do anything about this issue and nothing is going to happen without dedicated, focus, consistent push by the president. >> let's bring the house speaker in to this. listen to the house speaker back home in wisconsin, let's not talk about taking away the rights of law-abiding citizens who back the second amendment when in this case and this is a fact,
there were so many missed signals. >> this young man slipped through a whole bunch of cracks, not just a crack. he slipped through a bunch of cracks. he got to make sure that when law enforcement gets all these tips that that doesn't happen again. we got to make sure that people who are mentally unstable and we just passed a recent law on this don't have the ability to go go this. >> we talk in a minute about the collapse of accountability in florida but in terms of the federal debate, anybody that says that's telling the truth. whatever your position on gun control, ar-15, magazines clips, that's a fact that he did fall through the cracks. it gives those who don't want to change federal gun laws in the
big way a pretty powerful argument. >> there already are reasons why people can't own a gun but often times when these threats are present they had don't reach that level. the most serious idea's that's been presented so far is a gun violence restraining order. people can go to the police and say this person is a threat to themselves or others and take the guns away. that is narrowly targeted. you don't simply want a mentally unstable person or dangerous person like the florida shooter to not have semi-automatic rifles, you don't want him to have any weapons. we can lower the threshold but still protect due process rights. >> we understand that we have been reporting that the white house is interested in in looking at. i do think it's going to take a few days for this to gel better to get a better sense what's happening between the governors coming to talk to the president and what we're expecting to be a midweek bipartisan gathering at the white house. he's got to figure out what can pass, what it's going to cost
him politically and with his base to pursue any of this. i still think really that will the test is not what will congress do right now but how has the public changed its thinking and is this going to be a ballot box issue. >> will the state of florida be labt laboratory of key swing state. >> all these companies cutting ties with the nra, reducing their discounts that they offer to nra members, not issuing credit cards in the nra name. delta, avis, budget, you just look at the list of countries. these companies, they have decided for their brand, a relationship with the nra is not in their broader interest. are we at a turning point or is this temporary? >> the ground swell of youth led activism on this certainly does seem to have changed the tone. you didn't see any corporations or many corporations doing this
in the past. so the debate has shifted. the reputation of the nra may have shifted in a way we haven't seen. the question is, though, does this actually affect what is the source of the nra's clout which is not direct donations but the ground swell of public support all around the country that it has and can mobilize in the elections. that is the key question that republican governors and other governors are looking at as they figure out what changes to the law they're willing to accept and certainly the president is looking at as well. he did seem to say i'm with the nra but i'm willing to buck them. we haven't seen evidence that that's actually going to happen. >> look at a map of house districts around the america. how it plays in washington and how it plays in the coast. it's very instructive as we go forward. the broward county sheriff lashed out at the nra after the
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you remember the broward county sheriff scott israel lashing out at the nra and making a strong push for new gun laws. >> 18-year-olds should never have a rifle an 18-year-old kid should not have a rifle. 18-year-old kids, tharg not adults yet. they're in high school. these kids should not have a rifle. bump stocks should be illegal. they should be outlawed forever. anybody who says different i don't know about other people but we're calling b.s. on that. israel's department is now front and center in a giant accountable crisis. law enforcement received numerous warnings about the
parkland shooter. as the massacre played out, at least one broward sheriff's deputy, perhaps as many as four, stood outside the school but did not enter or try to confront the gunman. >> you didn't do your job. you were trained for this. you were armed. you had a bullet proof vest, you were protected more than anyone else who died and you did nothing. >> it makes me pretty angry. pretty upset. as a police officer, you've made a vow, an oath, to protect the people that you are policing. and they didn't do that for us. >> so there is and i always think it's a good thing to have conversations if you can have them respectfully in the country and florida about should we have new gun laws. there is also a giant question of what happened here, how could you have some people say 39 but dozens of calls and warnings about the shooter. the fact -- let's focus on the sheriff a second. a deputy assigned to the school
who was armed stood outside while you could hear gunshots inside. did they arrive after the shooting stop and stay outside? these are giant questions for the sheriff. it's a big part of this. >> huge. it's tragic. we heard the president talk about it this past week the sheriff's deputy, the first one we discovered after he resigned earlier this week had basically been hiding outside essentially while the shooting unfolded. there's going to be a huge investigation here and it's going to have implications for this department as well as probably i would think departments police departments all over the country. it seems pretty clear from my understanding that what the procedure was supposed to be is, if you are the resource officer assigned to a school, you go in in a situation like this. you don't wait for cover or -- this is your job. and i do think we're going to be hearing a lot more about this in the context of this gun debate.
there will be people who will seize on this. it's not about guns or anything that allowed this shooter to get to the school, it's about failures in the police department and you can't argue. there were obviously clear failures. >> you can't. the passion of the students is what is driving the gun control debate and the state of florida and the country should have that conversation. but the actions of the adults are pretty good factual fodder for those who say before we change any existing gun laws we should enforce the ones we have. i just want to bring mark meadows, conservative house republican tweeting the broward county sheriff in front of a nationwide audience lectured the nra and millions of law-abiding gun owners when all along it was his department that did nothing after 39 calls, multiple threats and failed to fully engage the shooter. the 39 is in dispute. the fact that there are many calls is not in dispute. that's a pretty powerful argument. >> they're not saying 23. if a single one of those
provided information that could have been used to arrest him, to take his guns away, the sheriff has to resign. if he sat on the information that the deputy did not go in at that town hall so he could -- we have to remember the sheriff san elected politician. he's not just a law enforcement with a badge. there's already a lot of calls for him to resign and a lot of reasons for him to do that. >> this has been a failure of law enforcement locally. >> and the fbi also didn't follow protocols. >> i think when you zoom out and look at mass shootings overall. there are some shootings that are, you know, end up being failure of law enforcement but let's remember the las vegas shooter, passed his background checks to obtain more than 40 guns and that's why i think you're seeing a shift in the debate. well, it's not just semi-automatic assault rifles, then hand guns kill more people.
what progressives want is dramatically fewer guns on the united states and we're beginning to hear activists actually say that. >> will it happen? what will happen at the federal level? we had that conversation and let's look at florida, a key swing state. you have a big governor's race this year. you have a republican governor who's now likely to run for senate and the dwof did put forward a proposal that breaks with the nra. let's raise the minimum purchase age to purchase a firearm to 21. pretty comprehensive package here. is this a political document for senate race? in one of the countries highly competitive critical swing states a great laboratory for this conversation going forward. >> it is an important barometer of is thissome kind because it shows one of two things.
he thinks he can move ahead in the election process without the nra support or that the nra recognizes the change in the climate and willing to give him a little bit of slack particularly if he's proposing something that doesn't happen right away. you can feel better about one answer than the other in terms of the purity of politics. it does represent i think a significant shift in the potential climate. >> that's what happened when the gun control side puts the heat on and that's when students are speaking out so forcefully the way you are. marco rubio consistently voted with them of strong gun rights supporters softening on this. he also said he would reconsider his vote in 2013 when he voted against banning magazines. rick scott also an ally of gun rights and the nra softening on this. it shows what happens when there's comparable passion and energy. the gun rights side and the nr and groups like them, are very good at hanging tight in the
middle -- when the mass shootings happen, being patient, you know, taking the heat in the moment and resuming their activities. the left is good at exactly the opposite. keeping the heat on after the mass shooting and getting complacent afterwards. >> will 2018 make the difference? will we actually see it play out at the poll that the message if the control advocates are going to win. >> you also need to see movement among democrats. there's something like ten democrats in the senate still opposed to the assault weapons ban in 2013 you've seen people like marco rubio saying they're willing to reconsider some elements of it such as limiting the capacity of magazines which could reduce the death poll. >> let's have votes. get people on the record. strange thought in a deposition. a border wall, the national anthem, cpac welcomes the
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pro-trump crowd didn't mind one bit. >> we have a very crooked media. we had a crooked candidate too, by the way, but we have -- we have a very -- we have a very, very crooked media. >> lock her up! lock her up! >> what did we learn here from cpac? i'm old enough to remember when you go to cpac and people would talk about their time with barry goldwater, yes i'm old or the reagan years. cpac got together to beat up on the communist. >> backlash against a government or leaders that they feel threatened by has been the thing that has driven cpac for a long time. a number of years under the obama administration was very active and energetic. a carnival-like atmosphere described it. they run everything.
they're happy and they're content and the politics of backlash and fear are often stronger than the politics of hope, optimism and contentment. the biggest takeaway, president trump has moved the conservative movement in the european style populism. we see that with cultural, the focus on cultural nativism and things like that, trade protectionism. you had some speakers talking about the naturalization ceremonies. the crowd booed a panelist who said mexican immigrants have a lot in common with conservatives. we see a palpable shift. >> to your point, stars of the show, if you will, the republican majority leader from the senate not there, the republican house center not there. but to two international voices who are part of the thas nationalists. >> i want america first for the american people. i want britain first for the
british people and i want france first for the french people. >> it all makes you realize, doesn't it, that in 2016 with the brexit vote and the election of donald trump we stopped the establishment. we did! >> now, in the uk and in france, they are called nationalists to be kind. critics called them anti-muslim, some call them racists or xenophobe, they're welcome at cpac. >> if you listen to donald trump's speech when he rattled off its greatest hits they could have been cited by any republican president, tax cuts, conservative judge. donald trump has moved the party in this national populist direction. the question is whether this long-term damage done to the party by putting someone up on stage -- the president himself was a considered a fringe figure at cpac when he first spoke.
he's accused of sexual assault by multiple women. does that degradation the party outweigh the conservatism? >> listen to wayne lapierre here. he views the country as under attack by the socialists. >> everyone keeps their mouth closed and their heads down and that's exactly how socialistic societies function. when leaders do whatever they want the, when resistance and repercussion disappears and when the fundamental concept of moral behavior is expunged the state rules the day. and anyone who attempts to resist is smeared right into the submission. we do live in the socialistic age of the art of the smear. >> do we live in a socialistic
age with all these republicans in charge of everything? >> the president is republican, the house and senate are republican. in the last 13 months a lot of the norms have been turned inside out. two, it helps explain why it's so difficult to get bipartisan compromise if you're a republican and there's this base that's pulling you in this direction. >> parallel universe. our reporters look ahead to the upcoming big stories including what's ahead for the united states and north korea now that the olympics are ending. put your phones down and talk to each other. [laughing] nature's bounty lutein blue. because you're better off healthy. we all want restful sleep. that's why nature's bounty melatonin is made to help you fall asleep faster and stay asleep longer. so you'll be ready for whatever tomorrow brings. because mom's love is unconditional.
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administration imposed on north korea. they've been talking about sanctions for a long time. these were significant sanctions against the shipping industry. they essentially target ships importing oil and exporting coal from north korea which is a big issue in terms of funding the regime and their north korea operation. they're not sanction drektdly on the nuclear operation but how far with the trump administration go in enforcing these. are they going to be boarding ships? and there have been a lot of conflicting messages coming from the administration because there's still a divide between folks at the state department that want to pursue a diplomatic channel and folks tell and we heard the president talk in a hawkish way about this last week. what are we going to see in terms of posture going forward? >> interesting moment. >> we discussed earlier cpac was a love fest for president trump with one notable exception. a conservative panel stunned the
crowd by ripping into conservatives as hypocrites for standing by president trump as he brags about his infidelities and quotes about brags about mistreating women. she also ripped into republicans who supported roy moore who she described as a child molester and slammed cpac for inviting the french with racist roots. >> john? >> we're now closer to the 2020 primaries than we are from the 2016 primaries and on friday political report john kasich is seriously considering running either as an independent presidential candidate or running in the republican primary if president trump doesn't run for reelection for some reason. just last week john kasich came out strongly against weapons such as the ar-15. that was the strongest indication yet that he's
indicating an independent run but he wants to keep both of his options open. >> margaret? >> keep your eye on all the governors, not just john kasich, although he's always fun to watch. governors are in town for the national governors association conference, republican governors are outnumbering democrat governors about two to one. all of them are really important in influencing president trump over the next couple days. he'll greet them at their former ball reception tonight. we may get input on that and tomorrow all of them expected to be over at the white house where gun control will be high on the agenda. it may be those republican governors who give president trump some of the signals he really needs to hear as the white house prepares to rollout its approach on everything from, you know, background checks to age limits and all that. >> it'll get forgotten in this town a lot. the governor races in my way the big event. i'll close with a very awkward
evening in tennessee last night. she is returning for corker's senate seat. he is now rethinking his decision to retire. he did decline the opportunity to endorse blackburg. the tennessee seat could prove critical. black burn allies are more than frustrated. cnn has told team black buburn making contingent plans in case corker decides to run. fund drama: thanks for sharing your sunday. state of the union with jake tapper is next. ♪
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