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ur life. ♪ turmoil, turbulence, words that fit to a t when it comes to the white house this morning. want one more? trouble. good morning everyone. john berman here. trouble brewing inside the white house this morning. mike allen, one of america's great reporters writes, we have never seen top officials this concerned defeated. anthony scaramucci, the president's friend and briefly a white house insider put it this w way. >> morale is terrible. the reason the morale is terrible is the rule by fear and intimidation doesn't work in a civilian environment. >> you predict more departures? >> i predict more departures. key people going out, continued news bombs coming in. hope hicks, one of the
president's closest advisers, maybe the closest that isn't a family member, is leaving. as for that family, they are staying and questions of conflict of trs growing. "the new york times" reports the president's son-in-law and senior adviser, jared kushner, met with two finance executives inside the white house, then later his businesses received more than $500 million in loans from their companies. does that cross a legal line or just a swampy one? in a few hours, the president will be in the white house near the attorney general less than 24 hours ago he called jeff sessions disgraceful. where will that go today given new reporting that the special counsel has a keen interest in how the president has treated the attorney general. big picture you might ask, why does stability in the white house matter? vladimir putin announced this morning russia has an invincible new missile that will render nato defenses completely useless. so there's that. a year's worth of news to fit into one hour, we will try.
let's begin with abby phillip at the white house. abby, let's begin with this key departure, hope hixon the way out. >> that's right, john. it's hard to overstate how important hope hicks is to this building, to the president and how stunning her departure is. it comes in a week where she's the second senior aide to leave the white house and at a time when the president is under siege now more than ever. she has been with him since before the campaign. she's known here in the white house as a gatekeeper and a source of emotional support for a president who likes to keep trusted friends and advisers close. now, with hope gone, it leaves him bereft of a lot of people -- the white house also now faces the prospect of filling a role that has been filled with turmoil since the beginning of this administration. four previous communications
directors have come and gone in this building. now they need to replace this person again. meanwhile, the mueller investigation continues a pace, and hope testified this week bringing some headlines with this comment that she's had to give white lies on behalf of this president. now we are also learning through cnn's jim acosta that a source says that mueller is asking questions about what hope hicks knows. she's one of the few people in this building who is in most meetings that the president is in. she is there for a lot of these pivotal moments. now special counsel mueller wants to know what she knows. >> there's all that, abby, plus this story in "the new york times" reporting that senior adviser jared kushner who has been with the president since the beginning. new questions facing him, about $500 million in loans he received from these executives after he met with them inside the white house. >> that's right. "the new york times" is reporting that jared kushner has been having meetings at this white house. he's had dozens of meetings with businesses. but the ones that are coming up
here are two meetings in which people met with kushner and their companies went on to lend hundreds of millions of dollars to his private real estate company after the fact. apollo capitol and citigroup lending $184 million and $325 million to kushner companies. his lawyers say he's had no involvement with his businesses. of course, john, that's the reason why these types of meetings are not supposed to happen. they look like there is a pay to play happening here or some form of misdeeds and kushner is not responding by acknowledging that at all. it raises significant questions about where is the line here between kushner and his family businesses while he's been in the white house. >> abby phillip at the white house. much more on kushner and those business deals in a moment of the.
one of the reporters who broke the story joins me now. thanks for being with us. first the past, then we'll move to the present. your reporting is that the special counsel is focused on the president's efforts to push sessions out back in july. explain. >> reporter: we know prs has been displeased with his attorney jgeneral basically sine the attorney general recused himself and said he would leave the rusch yeah investigation up to tepity attorney general rod rosenstein instead. we know mueller is probing the months-long effort to apparently shame sessions into quitting. there was a time right after mueller's appointment when there was a big blowup and then there was this second episode that came in july where trump gave an interview to "the new york times," criticized sessions and started a daily berating of sessions over twitter.
what we understand is that mueller is looking into what he was saying privately at the time and what was the goal of those tweets. was it just he didn't like what his attorney general was doing on a policy level, or was it that he wanted to gain control of the russia investigation? was he attempting to obstruct that investigation through this public shaming of jeff sessions. >> you use a phrase state of mind, the special counsel is trying to figure out what the president's state of mind was there. i wonder what kind of questions you asked to figure that out, rosalind? >> i think what you do is you talk to people who are around the president at the time, in his inner circle and ask him what else was he saying. we know what he was saying publicly. this president is very public with some of his emotions. what was he talking about at the time? was he talking about he thinks jeff sessions is weak, or was he talking about the russia investigation and how displeased he was that jeff sessions didn't seem to be defending him in the russia investigation. we do know he has done a good bit of the latter. >> we also know that he berates
the attorney general in public. but also according to your reporting, also in private comparing him to mr. magoo. >> yeah, that's right. we understand he really kind of rips into the attorney general all the time in private, including in really demeaning ways, comparing him to that cartoon of the kind of bumbling elderly guy, mr. magoo. rosalind helderman. joining me now former federal prosecutor michael zeldin. thanks for being with us. you say one of the key issues here in terms of the legal consequences is to determine whether there was a corrupt intent with the president's thinking, what he was trying to do with jeff sessions and whether or not you can prove there was an effort to interfere with an official proceeding. explain. >> so the way the law of obstruction of justice works is the prosecutor has to prove
essentially two things. one, the person who is the obstruct tore is acting with corrupt intent, meaning not accidentally, and two, that they're doing so in an effort to interfere with an ongoing investigation. so mueller has to determine whether or not on these questions about what sessions was being badgered into doing, quitting or not quitting, mr. mcgahn was asked to not recuse himself, whether mcgahn was being asked to go to rosenstein, to have rosenstein fire the special counsel. all of these things speak to the state of mind of the president. mueller has to determine whether that's calls corrupt intent. that's what these questions are designed to elicit. >> because there's no question that in a vacuum the president has the power to fire or even attempt to fire in this case the attorney general or try to force him to resign. the issue here is was there a
pattern, correct? >> that's right. you look at this behavior in the context of multiple other things that the president is accused of having done, asking for a loyalty test from comey, firing comey, asking priebus, his former chief of staff to push back against stories, asking coats and rogers, the national intelligence advisers to intervene with the fbi to put an end to this investigation. all these things create a pattern of behavior which has to be looked at in terms of whether this is obstructive behavior. i should say one thing. when we talk about obstruction of justice, just to be clear, this doesn't necessarily mean statutory violation of obstruction of justice. this could be -- we're using as a shorthand in a sense, this could be equally abuse of power, impeachable offense as we saw in clinton's case. >> the jury here that matters is the house of representatives ultimately.
this won't get to a court of law any time soon. on jared kushner, this notion his businesses received $500 million in loans after he met with executives from a couple companies in the white house, does this get close to any kind of legal danger zone, counselor? >> well, it's i think much more optics than legal. i think there is no proof yet of causality, that is, these meetings gave rise to these loans which is sort of what you'd need from a legal standpoint. optics it's terrible. legal it's not yet clear. >> counselor michael zeldin, thank you for being with us to help us understand a few of the major stories today. there is one more major story i want to go back to, hope hicks, the white house communications director who is leaving. i want to bring in david ger ginn, a former white house communications director for more than one president. david, hope hicks is out, one of the people closest to the president, closer than anyone else than the folks not in the president's family. she was there since the very beginning.
what kind of a loss is that for the president? it's important for any president to have these types of people around, correct? >> it is. john, i think it has to be weighed on two bases. one, as a communications director, is this a big loss? no. we've had a merry-go-round of communications directors. everyone has failed. you cannot plan strategy as a communications director would, you can't plan themes, you can't build political coalitions around your coalition when every day the president smashes through things either with twitter or some erratic statement or something like that. no communications director can succeed in that environment. she did the best she could under the circumstances. she wasn't well qualified for the job, frankly. but that leads to the other issue. she does know the president well. you do need people around the white house who understands a president's moods, his
predilectio predilections, what makes him comfortable. you don't want your president angry or frustrated. out want somebody who anticipates and can figure out. george stephanopoulos did that for clinton, for example. he was very good at sensing that. there have been individuals in every white house. i think hope hicks was pretty important to that mission and keeping the president calm and thoughtful and deliberative. a president needs emotional support in the white house, john. i once asked a historian, what's the most important thing a president needs, and he said a friend. hope hicks was partly that, partly that friend. i think he's going to miss that. it may leave him less anchored. he's already got an issue at home, his wife is sending out signals that are hardly warm and fuzzy. he would be looking to people around him in the office to provide some of that emotional support. >> you're saying you think the president is increasingly isolated? >> that's the sense of it, one
has. i know he's on the phone to a lot of people. he calls a lot of folks he's known for a long, long time. but you -- it's like coming into a work environment that you really look forward to, or coming into a work environment where you'd rather not be there or it's uncomfortable for you. i think she provided not only the emotional support, but provided some of the glamour that he clearly likes to have around him. it's part of who he is. we may not like that or we may think it's inappropriate. for his comfort level, i think having people glamorous around him is actually important. >> that aside, with this force gone, someone close to him in the white house gone, what do you think the implications are going forward? do you think there could be even more disarray? we've been told that hope hicks is one of the people that actually kept things running there. >> general kelly represents a disciplined approach, but more distant emotionally, and it
chafes on some of the staff. i think we are going to see more departure departures. some of the people in there, john, have to weigh what their futures are. as you go out into the real world, leaving the white house and looking for jobs, it matters what your reputation is. in some parts of this country, working for donald trump and the white house is going to be a badge of honor, and there will be people out there welcoming him. in other parts of the country, it is a reputational loss. >> david gergen, we'll have you back in a little bit to talk about some of the other major issues. thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. vladimir putin bragging about this invincible new missile, one he claims cannot be stopped by u.s. defense systems. is this all part of some new cold war rhetoric? plus the president stuns on gun control. he calls a republican senator afraid of the nra and leaves democrats cautiously optimistic. where does this go now after the
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. new this morning. russian president vladimir putin touting a new missile saying it would render defense systems around the world completely useless. joining me now matthew chance and barbara starr. matthew, let's start with you. what exactly is vladimir putin saying he now has? >> first of all, john, this was one of the toughest anti western speeches that vladimir putin has made in years. he spent almost half of this address to the two houses of the
russian parliament talking about russia's new invincible military missile capability, including the one that has unlimited range he said and can strike any target in the world. there are a number of other missiles he lights arizona well, one which is developmental or just finished development and is hyper sonic and in his words like a meteorite as it comes to earth, essentially unstoppable by the u.s. defense shield in place in many locations including eastern europe and ones that are very man ufable as well. he also spoke about underwater drones that could carry a nuclear payload, to a whole range of these previously undiscussed at these publicly weapons technologies that vladimir putin was putting out there and saying, look, we're a real nuclear power, a real military power and a force to be reckoned with. john. >> it feels like language of the
cold war. it feels like the kind of language you use in an arms race. so barbara starr, the pentagon, is this surprising to them? >> no. on the face of it, it really isn't. they're well aware of the intelligence community, well aware of what russia is working on according to all the officials we're talking to. there's a couple of things as you unpack it. vladimir putin, as mathew has talked about, running in an election in his own country. so he's got political reasons to talk about it. why is he putting all this out there in public now knowing that the u.s. intelligence community already knows about it? it may be his own political agenda, it may be intimidation of president trump in the current political environment in the united states. but what are they really working on, this notion of hyper sonic missiles that can go five times the speed of sound. new intercontinental ballistic missiles, missiles that can reach around the world and defeat u.s. missile defenses.
the reality is u.s. missile defenses are not aimed at trying to stop the russians because there's no sense that the russians are planning to attack the united states. those missile defenses are aimed at stopping a single north korean or iranian missile. putin well knows that. there's no indication here planned to attack the united states. he wants to have these capabilities. he want to be able to talk about him and an intimidation factor. that's really what the underlying u.s. military assessment is, and that is why you see the u.s. military, the pentagon, responding in terms of increasing u.s. military deterrents, building and modernizing the u.s. military force as a deterrent capability, a message back to putin, don't even think about it. >> a response when it comes to physical terrestrial weapons greater than that we have seen with cyber or virtual weapons over the last several months.
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this morning republicans are frankly stunned after the president seemed to buck his own party on the issue of gun control during this bipartisan meeting. this morning the president says he is confident that a bill will happen. let's go to cnn's suzanne malveaux on capitol hill with the state of play this morning. suzanne. >> reporter: good morning, stunned, perplexed, confused, frustrated. those are some of the words republicans are using to describe that hour-long discussion that we saw play out in realtime. one of the things that they said is that, first of all, trump was backing the bipartisan bill, the manchin-toomey bill for broader background checks, is much more comprehensive than what republicans wanted to back, he supported raising the purchase age from 18 to 21 for long guns,
something that many people say is not going to solve the problem. he stunned everyone with a suggestion that some individuals could have their guns taken away from them, deal with the courts later, that there would be a lack of due process there. and also he shut the door in concealed carry reciprocity. that's something he said, hey, put it in another bill. the democrats are not going to support that. that also frustrated folks. perhaps what was most frustrating and stunning is the fact that the president confronted republicans to their faces with this accusation and this taunt that they are afraid of the nra. i had a chance to talk to senator pat toomey, republican, who had that extraordinary moment with the president when he said he was afraid of the nra. here is how he responded this morning. >> i'm the republican who stood up to the nra. when i think they're wrong, that's what i do. the nra opposed it completely, downgraded my rating, wouldn't endorse me or contribute to me. i'm the guy that stood up to the
nra. >> toomey also said they're going to keep pushing their plan. they don't know what the plan is that the president will support. we're going to be looking at senator marco rubio who is going to be unleashing his plan later today. john? >> suzanne malveaux on capitol hill. joining me now, cnn senior political analyst david gergen and ron brownstein and cnn's amy parens. i want to come back to the stories we're talking about today. amy, we reported on jared kushner, the stories about his finances, the meetings he took, the big loans his business got on the heels of his spokesman leaving into begs the big question here, jared, ivanka, staying, going? closer to going today more today than yesterday? >> i think he is definitely. people in the west wing i have spoken to have said as much,
they don't trust him. they think this is increasingly problematic as these stories happen. it's just interesting to see the distrust there, the fact that john kelly doesn't really trust him and he has his own faction and kushner has his own faction or maybe he's a team of one at this point. i think there's a lot of consternation inside the white house happening right now. and a lot of it is kind of directed at kushner. >> the tension is very, very real. the consequence tbd. ron brownstein, sticking to the next subject which is jeff sessions right now. yesterday it was during our show the president put out a statement calling the attorney general disgraceful. what made it different was this time the attorney general, he sort of fought back. he put out a statement defending himself saying this is how he's going to act as long as he's attorney general. then last night there was this. i'd e like to show you some video if i can of the attorney general. i think we have this. let's put it up if we can. well, i'll describe it in vivid details. the attorney general of the
united states, jeff sessions, left the justice department, and with him was rod rosenstein. rod rosenstein is the man, of course, overseeing the special counsel investigation. now, ron, you and i have both covered politics for a while. you don't have to walk outside and go to dinner and be seen in public if you don't want to. this walk doesn't happen unless you want people to see it. what message is the attorney general sending? >> look, he is sending a message of a kind of -- defiance might be too strong a word, but certainly standing up. i'm struck. in any other administration, the events of the last few days would be crack toe wah or va suv yous. it's par for the course to have this extraordinary level of internal open conflict and also, again, a reminder of the president's trampling over the
traditional norms that have for generations held limits on the president's ability to directly intervene in on going law enforcement investigations. this entire episode is again a reminder how he views the entire law enforcement process of the federal government as an extension of his personal will. and also the fact that even jeff sessions is pushing back against this again, i think by contrast underscores how compliant the republican congress has been in accepting his willingness to run over these norms. it's just a reminder of how deep into uncharted waters we are every day. >> will that change, though, if the president splits with them on the policies that they care most about, and has he split with them on the policies he cares most about? how is that for a segue into the gun discussion right now? >> not bad. >> david gergen, yesterday the president held this meeting inside the white house, a bipartisan meeting with the cameras all there on the issue of guns it's great to have this kind of
transparen transparency. it's great to see the sausage being made. let's review some of the things the president said out loud as the whole world was watching yesterday. >> i'm going to write the bum stock -- essentially write it out. it doesn't make sense i have to wait until 21 to get a handgun, but i can get this weapon at 18. i like taking the guns early, take the guns first, go through due process second. >> so all of those things, david gergen, against a traditional stance of the nra and most republicans. the last one, taking guns without due process, against the law, also. that's a separate issue. does this represent change, david gergen, or are we in a position where nothing matters, nothing that was said yesterday when we were watching matters? >> he's certainly changed. toughened his stance about guns, to me, more power to him.
those are welcome steps if we want tighter gun controls. to go back to brownstein's point, this is thursday. we don't know what's going to come friday or saturday or sunday. he's changed his -- he's spun around like a top on questions of policy with regard to guns. it goes back to the fundamental question we've been discussing all morning. and that is the degree of chaos in the white house creates an uncertainty. this is a time when so many things are going on that are dangerous to the country. we need steady hands on the wheel. and when your white house is in chaos, you just can't get there. the president doesn't have time for deliberations. nobody knows if he says something on thursday, it's going to hold on friday. trust goes down in that situation. it's much harder to govern. all these things are coming together in a way that make -- even the gun control debate now, totally uncertain and we don't know where we're going. >> guys, hang on for a minute. i'm going to go back to the
story we were talking about just before this. there is breaking news from our kaitlan collins in the white house that has to do with jeff sessions. we mentioned that jeff sessions pushed back after the president called him disgraceful yesterday. our kaitlan collins in the white house reporting the president didn't like that one bit. let me read this. the president was fuming yesterday after jeff sessions pushed back. a source familiar with his demeanor described the president as indignant. then jeff sessiontion walks outside with rod rosenstein, the man overseeing the investigation. >> he had a bad day yesterday. his guns overshadowed by his communications director and now sessions pushing back on him. this isn't going to end well. this is more turmoil. this pushes him away further from the policy debates he wants to do on policies and other things. he has to be angry.
i think this is not going to play out for a very long time. someone is going to have to leave, and i think sessions might be fed up enough to do that. >> ron brownstein, why leave now if he didn't leave in july? i don't know what makes jeff sessions tick. but it doesn't seem like there's anything the president can say that will force him out. >> you can't underscore enough, what is the initial root of the division between them? it is jeff sessions' correct decision to recuse himself from the russia investigation which led to the appointment of the special counsel. it is the president's view that the attorney general should be defending him rather than upholding the laws and the constitution that is at the root of the dispute between the two men. i do think the fact that the president -- you also need to remember that jeff sessions was the first significant elected official to endorse donald trump in 2015, 2016 in the campaign.
i think that you can't underestimate the impact of this kind of public attack on an initial supporter on other republican elected officials who know, and reminded again yesterday that while donald trump has come further in their direction than in expected on the core economic issues, he is still someone who will turn on them at a moment's notice if he believes it is in their interest. i don't think he sticks with the gun positions he took out yesterday, anymore more than what he did with what he said on daca. the fact he would give validity on these democratic argument pgs after every senate republican filibustered it in 2013, is a reminder for all of them they can't put all their chips in his corner at any point because they simply don't know what he's going to do on thursday, versus friday, versus monday. >> david gergen, i'll give you a chance to advise a former senator and current sitting attorney general.
what do you think jeff sessions should do? >> he's been humiliated time after time. i think his stock is going up, reputation improving, he's standing up to the bullying from the white house. i think he's going to hang in there and be fired and not walk away. >> david gergen, ron brownstein, aimee parsons. adding the the administration's troubles this morning, a new investigation. this one into why hud secretary ben carson needed a $31,000 dining set in his office.
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demoted for refusing to spend more than was legally allowed. our government regulation correspondent rene marsh joins me with the details. rene, a lot of people are wondering what a $31,000 dining set might look like. you've seen some of the first pictures. what can you tell us? >> john, on tuesday, as you said, we reported that hud purchased this $31,000 dining set. it was specifically for the secretary's dining room at the agency. the price tag really raised eyebrows. now cnn has photos of what that $31,000 dining set looks like. it includes a table, side board and breakfront all in mahogany and ten mahogany chairs with blue velvet finish. that's according to the company that sold the furniture to the agency as well as purchasing documents obtained by cnn. the table and two tables were more than $4,000. eight renal into dining side chairs that cost $7,920.
there were two additional armchairs. those were a bit more expensive, $1,000050. it was this side board, the jefferson sideboard that racked up the charges. the three pieces there totaled $13,579. you throw in the shipping and you get that grand total of more than $31,000. now, the company that hold hud the furniture says the agency, when they were talking to them, said they were looking for new dining furniture for the new secretary's office because the current furniture was old. we have images of what exists there at this foint. we know hud has told us that the furniture you're looking at there is very -- it's beyond repair. it's been in the agency since 1967. but really what gets to the heart of the matter here is the agency's spending on this furniture came into question after a top career hud employee says she was pressured to find
funds to go beyond the legal limit to renovate carson's office. i have to get in though, hud continues to push back saying that the carsons did not know about this purchase and ben carson tweeting out yesterday that they plan on putting out more information to clear all of this up. >> in politics, one lesson you constantly learn, you always have to be careful of the jefferson sideboard. $31,000 of taxpayer money. thank you. $31,000 pals in comparison, new questions about jared kushner's future at the white house. will the president protect his son-in-law or could he be the next one out? the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time...
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so this morning, jared kushner facing an onabsolutslau. "the wall street journal" is piling on, the editorial board wrote only mr. kushner and his lawyers know if there are other vulnerabilities. if there are, he and president trump would both be better off if mr. kushner were out of the white house before they become public. giving up their white house positions would be a bitter remedy, but mr. kushner and first daughter ivanka could still offer advice as outsiders. that's the wall street journal. joining me now, former white house ethics czar, ambassador norm eisen. you've been saying that jared kushner should have never been there in the first place. but let's talk specifically about these white house meetings. he meets with these two
financial officials, one from a bank, one from private equity and afterwards those companies give his family businesses big, giant loans. what is it the problem with that? >> john, thanks for having me back. the problem is that we have ethics rules in the united states of america that govern officials. and one of those rules is that you, as a public official, should not engage in anything that creates the appearance of a conflict. there is an enormous appearance of a conflict here when you're having meetings, discussing matters as mr. kushner did, in his official capacity, and then those same companies that have enormous financial interests in the functioning of the federal government give gigantic loans to kushner-related enterprises. this is not a close call, john, in any administration.
democratic or republican, this would have been forbidden. that's why we made people get rid of their businesses. >> so, ambassador, let's just give you what the response is, basically. not from the white house, but we're hearing this from the kushner companies and financial institutions, they say, the meetings that jared kushner had had nothing to do with the ultimate loans. these loans had nothing to do with the meetings they were going to happen anyway. >> well, john, that betrays an ignorance of the rules and in a way it is as disturbing as the meetings themselves. the rules do not require that there be proof of a quid pro quo. we don't know if there was one. we don't know one way or the other. it is going to be looked at for sure. they require that you keep well away from the appearance of a conflict because if you're avoiding the appearance, then you're not going to have the actual conflict. those rules have been breached and the total lack of sensitivity to those rules, the appearances here, the fact that
they want us to take on faith that it wasn't discussed, that there was no wink about this, or that people didn't go out and think, okay, i'm going to do this in order to curry favor, that's a lot to swallow, that's why we have these rules. >> one argument also, you hear, ambassador, is that, look, if you want to have rich people or people with vast business dealings who have been very successful in the business world, this might happen inside the white house. this is very hard for people who are this successful in business to disassociate themselves completely from everything they have done. is that fair? >> no, john. it is not fair. it is rubbish. again, both democratic and republican administrations have had very successful business people. our country has not been run for 2 1/2 centuries by paupers. i made the people who came into the white house liquidate their business interests. they were not happy about it. my republican predecessor,
professor painter, did the same thing with some of the wealthiest people in the country. but we explained in order to avoid this miasma, you have to get rid of your businesses so you can do the job. people are willing to make the sacrifices because they're patriotic, they believe in our country. what we have seen in the trump administration and it started, john, the fish rots from the head, the president insisted on hanging on to his businesses. despite constitutional rules that are implicated and now it is a free for all, it led to the kushner situation, the $31,000 table in mr. carson's office and all of the other allegations. it is shameful. >> the jefferson side board at hud right now. this is an area you care a lot about. one of the most trusted aides hope hicks is out. the attorney general is still in, despite repeated insults. now we know the president is
furious, anew, at the attorney general and the special counsel looking into that relationship. we have got developments all over the place. we're goi ing to take a quick break. new developments ahead. who's the new guy? they call him the whisperer. the whisperer? why do they call him the whisperer? he talks to planes. he talks to planes. watch this. hey watson, what's avionics telling you? maintenance records and performance data suggest replacing capacitor c4. not bad. what's with the coffee maker? sorry. we are not on speaking terms.
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