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star to have alleged to have had an affair with donald trump. they flagged it as suspicious. and talking to north korea. a stunning turn of events in north korea where kim jong-un meets for the first time with a high level delegation from south korea, including top intelligence officials. could he talk to president trump next? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." breaking news, a former trump aide refuses to testify and says he won't appear before the grand jury and asked if robert mueller has said on the president. he said, quote, trump may have very well done something during the elections with the
elections. close quote. i'll speak with congressman joakim castro. and our correspondents and specialists are all standing by with full coverage. let's get to the breaking news. a former trump campaign aide said he's been subpoenas but won't testify. let's bring in jim ago, ywe spo nunberg. >> do you believe the special counsel has something on donald trump? >> i suspect they suspect something about him. the way they asked about his business dealings, the way they asked if you had heard anything even when i was fired, it made me suspect they suspect something about him. >> pretty amazing stuff when you think about it. you spoke with him. what was your impression? how serious are these
allegations? >> well, first of all, we should say that he was fired by donald trump. that he is no fan of the trump campaign. but he still says there's no collusion because the campaign wasn't organized enough to have any collusion. what really struck me was him saying, i think they're interested in the miss universe pageant in 2013, and that, then trying to send hookers, as he put it, up to donald trump's room. that trump refused them. and he said he was told this by keith's schiller, donald trump's bodyguard. and then he said they were interested in trump tower moscow and generally trump tower. and the relationship between russians -- he was asked if there are people who speak russian in trump tower. his point is that while he wasn't sbefk what he thought mueller had on donald trump, he
does suspect they have something. >> he certainly does. >> it's consistent with what we're hearing. whether mueller gets will is another question. what he's asking questions about, where he's investigating. we've heard this from sources that gloria and i asked about. we've heard it from steve bannon of "fire and fury." that both people who have been interviewed by the special counsel, that includes sam nunberg and others in the administration, believe that mueller's focus is increasingly on business dealings. that's partly their supposition but also based on the kinds of questions, as nunberg was saying. the kinds of questions they're being asked by the special counsel. that does not mean they're reaching conclusions. when you do a grand jury scene that, a you don't pull people to the grag just for the hell of it. there has to be some substance or plenty leads you down path. >> and he's already talked to
the fbi for five and a half hours on. so the question is, what is it that he said that made them want to call him back before the grand jury? and he doesn't really know the answer. he doesn't want to go through and hand over all these documents which by the way, everyone in the white house who currently worked there. the convenience of having to turn over e-mails. let's remind folks. what is the a speenl a is. it is a legal demand. >> you have to obey the law. otherwise you pay the price. here's another clip. >> i'm not going in. it's ridiculous. the idea that we were the "manchurian candidate"? we were a joke. everybody was laughing at us. the idea that we were colluding with the russians? give me a break. >> is that what you think the special counsel is getting at?
it sounds like from your other answers, it sounds like he's looking into more the financial side of donald trump's life. >> he may. i don't know what he's looking is that. he may. he may. and you know what? trump may have very well done something during the election with the russians. and to find it out if he it is inexcusable. >> he believes, according to this interview, that mueller suspects that donald trump may have been a "manchurian candidate." all of us at a certain age remember that film. >> it means bought and paid for by the russians. he went out of list way to say that's not what he believes. he believes from the questions he's hearing from the special counsel, that's what the special counsel believes. and we don't know that. we don't know that at all. he was particularly outraged
because of roger stone. because he's very close with roger stone. he's also close with steve bannon. and he believes they're really looking closely at roger stone's relationship with julian assange. he is kind of outraged by that. it doesn't make any sense to me that he wouldn't want to comply. >> what does this tell us about the mueller probe? >> that it is going down consequential lines of inquiry. whether he gets there, that's another question. you have questions that the illegaliality of it. that was part of story last week. on the question of collusion. the president, his allies, they want that question to disappear into the ether. he said at some point he doesn't believe they colluded. at other points, he told jake
attempter that he believes carter page colluded. he believes roger stone colluded. the words made the former campaign aide, a witness to the special counsel, saying trump may have done something with the russians. that's not comment from a left wing commentator. he is now being interviewed and called before a grand jury. >> but a guy who was later fired. >> as have many people. he has to speak truthfully when he appears before the grand jury. >> stand by. we're getting reaction from the white house. i quickly want to go to our white house correspondent. what are they saying? >> they seem blind sided by it. you heard sarah sanders, the white house press secretary, give the same line they give every time when asked about the mueller investigation. that they're cooperating with the special counsel's office. i've been talking to sources
inside and outside. and particularly those with the trump campaign, saying sam nunberg can't blank he's talking about because he was fired by this campaign long before 2016. did i talk to one person who worked with the campaign and this person said, listen. sam nunberg, and this was evident in gloria's interview. he was very close with roger stone and roger stone remains a person of interest in this mueller investigation. but needless to say, the white house is still grappling with this question. and earlier today, sarah sanders was asked about it. she tried to point out he hand worked at the white house. >> as we mentioned, there was no quloo quloogs the trump campaign. anything further, he hasn't worked at the white house so i can't speak to him or the lack of knowledge that he clearly
has. >> there's not just collusion that's of interest to the mueller team when it comes to this investigation, they're obviously bringing people back. in i talked to a source who talked to the mueller investigative tea senate intelligence committee teams on multiple occasions and what is clear when you talk to people had koomtd with this investigation, there are multiple sessions with these investigators. and sam nunberg saying he doesn't want to go back and talk to the team and cooperate, it is an indication that people of interest in this investigation are very concerned about going in and giving conflicting testimony. conflicting answers to this team. i think that's why, when sarah
sanders is asked about this, you can add in any name and we get the same answer every time. >> let's get more reaction. joining us now, joaquin castro. what's your reaction to this, sam nunberg, threatening to defy special counsel like this? >> that's a very stunning statement for a witness to say that he's just outright not going to comply with that subpoena. so if he continues with that line, then i suspect he'll be held in contempt. and the special counsel will figure out a way to go get the information they need from him. >> could he wind up in jail? >> he certainly could. yeah. >> sam nunberg told jake tapper that he was in the meeting with the russians the week before.
have you heard that before? >> i have not. this is somebody, sam nunberg, who has been on our radar. we would like the chance to hear from him and hear what he has to say about this whole thing. so i mope the majority will help us make that happen. >> he also said that carter page was colluding with the russians, but that page wasn't a serious adviser on the trump campaign. what do you make of. ? >> carter page is a very interesting character. he had very deep russian connections. and he was working his way within the trump campaign. so none of that would surprise me. again, we would need to sit down and talk on mr. nunberg to get a full understanding of what he knows. >> he left the campaign in late summer 2015. very early in the campaign. why do you believe the special counsel even wants to talk to him? how useful is he really?
>> well, i suspect he was very involved at the launching of the campaign around that time. it sounds like he's close to people who were knee deep in the campaign. roger stone who has been a confidante for decades. and steve bannon who headed up breitbart and then became campaign manager. so it is not just what he heard directly. what they play told him and he can get to special counsel. today the president tweeted this. why did the obama administration start an investigation into the trump campaign with zero proof? wanted to discredit so crooked h would win. unprecedented. bigger than watergate. plus, obama did nothing about russian meddling. how do you respond to those allegations in that tweet? >> well, let me take last part
first. sxroeb the administration went to mitch mcconnell and paul ryan. they said if do you that, we're going to say that you're putting your finger on the scale for hillary clinton and ultimately the president and the administration backed down. in hindsight, they probably should not have gun buts a blockade. a political blockade by the majority leader and the speaker that determined the output. i believe the administration wanted to do more but they were blocked. >> how do you know that? >> to president obama, that's been widely reported, wolf. >> i know, have you heard it
independently. >> in no. we haven't interviewed paul ryan. if those two gentlemen contest that, they should speak up. >> we'll try to get their reaction. quickly on another subject, has your investigation come across any efforts from the region to influence the trump administration? >> i've heard things that concern me but there's nothing i can talk about right now. >> what can you share with us on that? >> not very much at all of this is an administration that has been susceptible and vulnerable to influence from many nations around the world. >> thanks. so for joining us.
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cooperate. he also suggests that mueller may have something on the president. let's assess with our experts. what do you make of this? >> after i stop laughing, there are a couple things. i don't care what he thinks they have. i care what he knows. if he was in there for what he says was five and a half hours and they want to talk to him, there are a couple questions they have. either he knows more or he said something different handle the other witnesses and they want to trap him or them in a lie. on the issue of not speaking, we used to say uncle bob, director mueller. if he says he won't speak, that's raising a middle finger, he will get some attention. if he doesn't show up to the grand jury. a lot of time, not a lot but some time between now and then. >> he may reconsider. let me read you a couple of sentences. i think he may, referring to
mueller, nunberg said trump may have done something during the election and then he said, i'm not going to jail. he won't do anything, referring to mueller. how many legal jeopardy do you think he's in? >> the grand jury has issued a scene that. a it is a grand jury scene that. comply, there are teaill only a couple ways it can go. he could say i have a fifth amendment right. he could go to a judge and say i want to quash the subpoena. he can say it is too difficult to comply. very unlikely. at that time the judge would order him to testify and to provide that information. if he refuses, the judge can hold him in can you be tempt. that's a separate criminal charge and he could go to jail
or be fined if he refuses to provide to the grand jury. it is very serious. i agree that we have about four days until he is scheduled to be there. it is very likely that something may change before then. >> he has million is friday. and you're our legal analyst, a former attorney general. he's already answered questions for five and a half hours. doesn't that mean he's waived the fifth amendment privilege? >> it would be very unusual to invoke at this point. there could be something else he hasn't told investigators. he could still glom and take the fifth amendment. that to be said, just to make sure it is clear, it is not unusual for the fbi to go out and interview someone in sxesh then the prosecutors to make a decision that it is important for the grand jury to see there witness and have them testify. even though fbi has questioned them, it is not uncommon to want them to be in the grand jury.
>> for whatever reason, they e want him to be before the grand jury. listen to this. >> they think roger colluded with julian assange. i can tell you that roger did not collude with julian assange. >> why do you think they want you in the grand jury? >> they want me to testify against roger. >> they want to you testify against roger? >> they want me to say that roger was going around telling people he was colluding with julian assange. that's what they want. >> and that did not occur according to you? >> no. it did not. >> what do you think? >> well, there is the talk that wikileaks, julian assange, a lot of information with the clinton campaign moved through there. and roger stone has, as roger stone does, has been very hard
to pin down over time about contacts with assange or wikileaks. i appreciate bill's perspective taking it seriously. but as a piece of theater, he i mean, what way doing? i mean, i know that sounds dumb of the what lawyer could have possibly told you, hey, do you know what would be good? if you're going to reject the subpoena from mueller, you should go on television and call him an idiot. that will really endear him to you. i think there's a broader point, page, nunberg, these are people who wouldn't have been involved in a presidential campaign of any sort other than donald trump, no one of the a or b or c or d level would have wanted them. but you get people like carter page or sam nunberg. they're talking many republican
and you think, are you unaware of how the justice system works, and of the legal peril, very real legal peril that you're facing. >> even the president who called this whole investigation a witch hunt, he doesn't criticize robert mueller specific liflt he avoids it. every one seems the avoid it except for this guy, sam nunberg. >> yes. and i think the correlation is very important. roger stone is not just his mentor. he these he contacts with julian assange. and you have the hacked e-mails as well as the dnc. and roger stone is donald trump's longest serving political adviser. he has known trump closely for decades. so what i think this underscores, the special counsel is casting a very wide net. what we're seeing more and more indication of, he's trying to decipher what if anything did trump know during the campaign and when did he know it.
and that's where someone like sam nunberg and anyone who fits in, can offer phone logs and other things that transpired between the campaign and trump and others in moscow. >> i think that's important. phil made this point earlier. we have a tendency to focus on the -- i think he may have something on donald trump. based on the rest of the interview. i'm not sure sam nunberg is the world's most credible source on that investigation. i think it is important to note, it is making the connections. he says the subpoena he had to list all these people. >> he also said that he believes that mueller thinks that donald trump was a "manchurian candidate." we'll get to that and a lot more.
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campaign, it suggests that mueller is far from over in his investigation. >> you look at the like i hood that they have. a tremendous amount of information. when i saw it, one thing that came to mind, follow the data. when you get that list of e-mail, phone, text stuff, you start to get not only what people are saying but what the network of contacts is. meta data. when you get dozens of people involved, even if they choose not to talk to the mueller team or the grand jury, you can see who talked to whom. how often did they speak? when did somebody come into the circle? it is really instructive. >> i want you to weigh in as well. this investigation could go on and on and on. >> that's very true. i think there are a number of lines in the investigation and this is one of them. it is not uncommon to basically,
if somebody tells but a meeting, you'll ask for all the e-mails, the phone logs, any data points that would corroborate that meeting. so there are a lots of reasons to look for this volume of information. it is part of the narrative and again, it does tell a story even if folks don't have a lot to say. you could be confirming that a meeting did take place. you have a phone log or the an e-mail chain that connects them to having been invited. it all becomes part of bigger picture. iis far from over. >> and we have the grand jury subpoena. it says, to sam nunberg, we want all these people frrgs the time frame of november 2015 to the president. please provide all documents related to the following
individuals. and he says, i'm not doing that. >> what's interesting, when i saw that and i saw his response. you go to the doctor and leak, i'm feeling sluggish. the doctor says we need to take some blood. and you say, no, it's fine. i'm good. it's not an option. like mueller isn't saying, hey, you know, if you feel up to it. why don't you go ahead and give us all your information. it is a request. that's what i wonder about. it's not like bob mueller will say he said no so we're out of luck. that's what i don't get with the nunberg strategy. it is not as if bob mueller has exhausted all of his legal options. >> several of these people he said he never spoke to so that would be pretty yoes to bring up his recordsest does say specifically, he spoke all the
time. speaks all the time roger stone and steve bannon and he doesn't want to make available. >> i don't think he'll have a choice. i think as it was pointed out. the special counsel won't call someone to appear before a grand jury just to have a conversation. it is because he thinks there's information he can provide. it it gets back to the president he and i think the special counsel is trying to get a good sense of all the people in trump's orbit, and what they knew, when they knew it. where did he fact or into the equation. and there's one more thing that hand been noticed. he also talked about how trump did know about that infamous june 2016 meeting at trump tower. so that's also a stunning contradiction with what the white house has said. >> very quickly, the mueller
investigation is expanding. not only to look at the russia connection but other connections including from the united arab emirates of alleged peddling. >> don't think russia. think ukraine. this is about dirty money coming from overseas, they've shown they're willing to take money for influence. i think it looks like what happened to manafort and gates. >> what do you think? >> i think it is very like reply it is pardon of the campaign. where people are peddling influence. so it is a reasonable area to look into. >> yeah. a lot that they're looking at. guys, stick around. coming up, there's more news. kim jong-un meets with a high level delegation. and then payments to a porn star by president trump's lawyer
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jail or as her friend claims, is this young woman truly in danger because she knows too much. >> first they are in danger. second they have the information. and third, we are afraid of their lives. really afraid of their lives. don't know what's going to happen. >> reporter: for days, she and several russian friends have been held at this jail in the capital of thailand where visitors aren't allowed to bring cameras. i came out of the detention center where i spoke with her. it was loud and hot and chaotic and talking through the bars, she says that she witnessed meetings between the russian billionaire and at least three americans who she refused to name. she claims they discussed plans to effect the u.s. elections, but she wouldn't give any further information because she
fears she could be deported back to russia. her claims might not hold much water, if it wasn't for this. photos, published on her instagram account of her alongside the millionaire. he is a one time business partner of former trump campaign manager paul manafort, he pled not guilty to charges related to money laundering and other alleged crimes discovered during the investigation into russian meddling. the posts showed he was on board his private yacht, meeting russia's deputy prime minister. two powerful russian men, overheard in one video discussing u.s. russian relations. she wrote about the meeting with altered names in this book. denies meddling in the election and says she was never his mistress. a spokesman writing this is clearly an attempt to politicize
accusations of the thai police. here's where the story gets really weird. last month, she was in thailand with a russian sex coach. running a week long sex training course that teaches among other things tips for dating. on the last day, thai police burst into the hotel, arresting she and eight others for working without a permit. >> i was there to have a good time. >> then thehat followed, he hand delivered this letter from the sex teacher to the u.s. embassy in bangkok, requesting asylum in exchange for recordings she made of alleged russian government crimes. an embassy spokesperson says since she is not a u.s. citizen,
this is a matter for the thai authorities. supporters now deliver food to their friends in jail, where she offers to help u.s. investigators have gone unheard. the jailed seductress and sex teacher recognized soon they may be deported back to mother russia. >> that report from ivan watson in bangkok. more on that next hour. also coming up, former trump campaign aide says he was subpoenaed by the special counsel but won't testify before the grand jury. sam nunberg says robert mueller has enough adding he doesn't need me. [ engine revving ] flo needs help?! [ engine revving ] take me to her! ♪ coming, flo! why aren't we taking roads?! flo. [ horn honking ] -oh. you made it. do you have change for a dollar? -this was the emergency? [ engine revving ]
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