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hi there, i'm brianna keilar in for kate bolduan. president trump anxious to unveil the details of his steep new tariffs on aluminum and steel and so anxious to sign it into law that he'll use a photo-op meeting this afternoon to sign something. we're just not sure what. it may just be a memo or maybe a proclamation. and the russia investigation heating up with the top democrat on the house intelligence committee just saying that they need to find out the truth about a trump associate's meeting in the seychelles. and the president, the porn star, and the press secretary. a source close to the white house says president trump is upset with sarah sanders over her handling of the stormy daniels scandal. jeff zeleny is at the white
house live for us. jeff, what are you hearing about why the president is so angry with sarah sanders? >> reporter: well, brianna, certainly another day here when many people inside this white house would prefer to talk about trade. of course, there is enough drama surrounding that decision, but more on that in a minute. there is certainly tension inside the west wing about the whole stormy daniels situation, that it has indeed reached the white house for the first time. this is the first time really that this is drawn in. the white house, for more than a year, has been trying to keep this controversy outside, saying this has been asked and answered. of course, yesterday in the white house press briefing when i was asking the press secretary sarah sanders about this, it opened up this can of worms. this is what she said. >> the president has addressed these directly and made very well clear that none of these allegations are true. this case has already been won in arbitration. >> you said there is arbitration? that already has been won?
by whom and when? >> the president's personal attorneys and for details on that i would refer you to them. >> but you're aware of them, so what more can you share with us? >> i can share that arbitration was won in the president's favor. >> so certainly we do not hear the president accepting personal responsibility very often for roles that he plays in me bit of drama here, but he and his lawyer michael cohen certainly have been deeply involved in this and sarah sanders trying to clean this up and answer questions yesterday, certainly complicated the matter. but as all this is going on here, we're still keeping an eye on the announcement this afternoon at 3:30. as you said, it could be a symbolic signing of the trade agreement or it could be the signing of policy. we're hearing now that lawyers are working furiously behind the scenes so get a real document for the president to sign about the tariffs. it would exclude likely mexico and canada, which is something the industry was looking for,
and others were looking for, not necessarily going to avoid a trade war here, though. other allies furious about this. the president wants to keep a campaign promise, a pledge, to help steel workers. so look for steel workers to be flying into washington today to be at the president's side for some kind of a signing this afternoon. >> jeff zeleny at the white house, thank you, sir. i want to bring in our panel now, cnn senior political analyst mark preston, tony blanken, cnn global affairs analyst and former deputy secretary of state under president obama. okay, so this is a lot of confusion that we're seeing, mark, coming out of the white house today about what the president is going to sign, is it going to be a real legally binding document, is it just going to be some sort of symbolic document? what does that tell you about the details of what is going to be in the tariff and just the state of things of this rollout at the white house? >> it tells you there are no details, right? the fact is from what we learned from our reporting, overnight,
they were furiously working overnight to try to get something together. there are two things troubling about president trump's decision to move forward on the tariffs. the first is the process and how he does it and the second thing is actual -- the results. so if you look at the process and how he does it, what we're told is that he wants to go to pennsylvania on saturday, and he wants to announce that he saved the steel industry. >> something in hand, right? >> to say i told you i would do this. that's bad policy. and that's bad politics. we should note there is a special election in pennsylvania next week as well. the second thing is, well, he's going to meet with his cabinet including the transportation secretary and agriculture secretary. will they say, you know what, if you impose the tariffs, all of our agriculture exports, we're in a lot of trouble. we're talking about building an infrastructure -- creating a huge infrastructure bill putting that in place. is she going to say to him, the raw materials don't all come from the united states. so what we're talking about for a sticker bill is going to be
twice that. he is ready for that? are they ready to tell him that? >> sort of one of the opening salvos of a trade war. you heard jeff zeleny talk about exemptions for canada and mexico. so one of the big hang-ups when it comes to getting legally binding language, the president signed, according to cnn's reporting is the white house's legal rationale for why these tariffs are important. they're saying it is about national security. but then you have the white house, you have trump talking about exemptions for can did ad mexico, using this as leverage to get canada and mexico to renegotiate on nafta. >> mark is right, the process should have happened on the front end, not the back end. all of the folks with equities and should have been sitting around the table before the president made this decision instead of after the fact. now it is hard to recover this with these exemptions trying to carve things out, explain them. there is a bigger picture here.
we wind up on the losing end of the stick at some point in time. as mark was saying, prices for products, that every american relies on, whether a can of soda or automobile, they go up if the price of the inputs goes up. on the other side of things, 95% of the world's consumers live outside the united states f other countries start to raise barriers on our products, it will be harder to sell them and we'll lose out. so this is opening a big can of worms that substantively over time does not make sense for the united states. >> the president made a promise, mark, on the campaign trail, a lot of folks looking at this and say he's delivering on that. that said, it may have been a prom this is a sounded really good. but to the very people who agreed with him at least conceptually on why this would be a good idea, they might be then consuming products, wondering where the price is increasing, wondering why that's affecting their tight household budget. do you think the president recognizes that? is he surrounded -- why doesn't he care? >> first of all, we said this
from day one, it is not necessarily about the policies, about the victory, right? he wants to be the winner, the one who delivers. does he really care what it is? i don't think he does necessarily. that doesn't necessarily mean he'll go forth and do something absolutely crazy and ludicrous. but the people that he's listening to now are very rightful shot in their vision. peter navarro, very interchina, for instance, and big -- >> china is a tiny sliver in the tariffs. >> china has nothing to do with it. but navarro is the one who is really pushing behind it. he's not looking beyond the scope of the rightful shot of him trying to get the tariffs and getting the president to -- >> he gets the benefit in making the announcement right away. the negative consequences play out over a long period of time. it accumulates. so politically, sometimes it is a move that actually works in the short-term. >> does it always, though? i think of obama, i'm not -- these are very different policies, but obama care, you can keep your doctor, and then it turns out that actually a lot
of people could not. they started to realize that as you change things, you're not -- it is not all positives, right? there are some promises that were going to be broken and that was something that even though now obamacare is all level high popularity, it was a long ark, tony. so is that something that could even be affecting him going into re-election? >> the trade, chickens always come home to roost at some point. again you start down this road and if you have other countries that start to retaliate, the retaliation is smart when you hear the european who may be affected by this, talking about retaliation, it is harley-davidson. >> urban. levis jeans. this is not good for anyone. now, the fair thing is that the president is right about, for example, china, when it comes to lack of reciprocity in our commercial relations. something needs to be done about that. starting a tariff war is not right way to do it. >> thank you so much. and right now on capitol
hill, president trump's one time campaign manager corey lewandowski is facing questions in the russia investigation. he's appearing before the house intelligence committee behind closed doors. i want to go live to cnn's manu raju there on the hill for us. manu, the ranking member of the house intel committee just spoke about someone different, right? erik prince, a trump associate who testified back in november, and the argument here is that he may have misled them during his testimony. tell us about this. >> yeah, that's right. the -- one of the big reasons why erik prince came before this committee was questions about this meeting that he had attended in the seychelles islands in january of 2017 and whether or not he was sent by anyone associated with the incoming trump administration to set up a back channel discussion with the kremlin, something that prince denied furiously before this committee. and when he was asked about that seychelles meeting in his november testimony, he said he met with some uae officials, and
met separately with a russian banker at the request of someone at the uae. and said it was just a discussion about business opportunities, nothing about the trump administration and certainly no back channel discussion. well, a couple of developments on that front. one, we're lrning thearning tha mueller's team is investigating if that was a back channel discussion and we're also learning about another p participant in that seychelles meeting, george nader, a businessman, someone who has ties to the trump administration, was at least in one of those meetings in the seychelles and now adam schiff, the ranking democrat, says there are a lot more questions about erik prince's testimony. do you think erik prince lied to the committee about the seychelles meeting? >> i don't know whether the public reports of what mr. nader may be saying are accurate or not. all i can say is if those reports are accurate, there is clearly a significant discrepancy between that version and what we heard in erik
prince's testimony, which is accurate. i don't know. we should find out. but clearly both can't be true. it either was a back channel or it wasn't, it was either a meeting arranged as a result of other discussions in december in trump tower or it wasn't. and we need to get to the bottom of it. >> reporter: now, schiff wants both nader to come before the committee who has not testified before this panel, even as he's cooperating with robert mueller's investigation. and he also wants prince to return to this committee, provide more documents and records and answer more questions. that's something that republicans are not committing to yet. mike conway, the republican leading this investigation, declined to comment about this matter. and when we asked yesterday, erik prince's spokesperson, about whether or not george nader was, in fact, at one of these seychelles meetings, he also declined to comment. said, look, the public transcript released on the testimony and in that transcript, brianna, no mention of george nader as he denied
this was any effort to set up a back channel discussion with russia. >> interesting, manu raju. i want to ask you, the new york times is reporting about something different here, the president's conversations with people who have been called as witnesses in the special counsel probe. tell us about this. >> reporter: at least two discussions at this report reveals that president had with some key witnesses. one involving reince priebus, the former white house chief of staff, who testified before robert mueller's investigation, he had asked if mueller's team was nice to him according to the report. in addition, he did raise some questions about another new york times report from january, saying that robert mueller's team had learned that trump had wanted to fire mueller as special counsel and asked don mcgahn, the white house counsel to deliver that message, something that mcgahn resisted. now, according to this report, trump wanted mcgahn to issue a public denial of that report, but mcgahn reminded him that the president did in fact call for
mueller's dismissal, and that's another sign of this investigation continuing to remain on the president's mind as he talks to all of -- at least two witnesses we know of who have gone before this special counsel investigation. >> manu raju, thank you. coming up, much more on the porn star payoff controversy gripping the white house, including allegations from her lawyer, that the president's attorney is threatening stormy daniels. and soon we will hear from the president himself when he holds a cabinet meeting at the white house. stay with us. hey julie, i know today's critical, but i really need... ...a sick day. dads don't take sick days... dads take dayquil severe. the non-drowsy, coughing, aching, fever, sore throat... ...stuffy head, no sick days medicine. these are the specialists we're proud to call our own. experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. expert medicine works here.
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that a nondisclosure agreement involving the president did exist. >> you said there is arbitration that already has been won by whom and when? >> the president's personal attorneys and for details on that i would refer you to them. >> you're aware of them. what more can you share with us? >> i can share that arbitration was won in the president's favor and i would refer you to the president's outside counsel on any details on that. >> cnn national politics reporter m.j. lee has more details. that was a response from sarah sanders that reporters perked up at because it was news to hear it yesterday and something that really angered the president. >> that's right. the way that sarah sanders handled questions about stormy daniels was both kind of fascinating and puzzling. this blanket statement, first of all, that president trump has answered these questions about stormy daniels, i just want to be very clear, that is simply not true. president trump has not answered questions directly about stormy
daniels. and then what she said, when she was asked, did president trump know about the payment that michael cohen made to stormy daniels, sarah sanders' answer was not that i'm aware of. you're right, the newsiest piece is what sarah sanders said about this arbitration saying this case has already been won in arbitration. as you know, some of the reporters in the room and reporters who had been covering this issue, we were a little confused as to what exactly she was talking about. and what she was talking about, it appears to be, some temporary restraining order that was taken out against stormy daniels on behalf of this company, essential consultants, the company that michael cohen made in october of 2016, to make this payment of $130,000 to stormy daniels' lawyer at the time. but as you noted, the reason that this answer was so potentially problematic is because it seems to be an admission, one that the nda
existed in the first place, and also that president trump did have some kind of a relationship or interaction with stormy daniels. so not surprising, maybe that president trump was not happy about sarah sanders' performance yesterday, a person at the source actually at the white house close to the white house telling my colleague jim accost ia, sarah gave the stormy daniels story line steroids yesterday. >> it did seem that way. then the lawyers to stormy daniels saying she's still being pressured to stay silent about this alleged affair. they're fighting a restraining order from trump's own personal lawyer. >> that's right. this lawyer is essentially saying that not only did michael cohen try to silence her going back to the 2016 campaign, which is when she says she wanted to speak out about her relationship with donald trump, the lawyer is now saying that these efforts continued to this day including this restraining order that was taken out last month.
and the reason that he says this is problematic is because they were not even given a heads up about this restraining order, they didn't even know what the cohen camp was essentially talking about. and what sarah sanders was talking about when she brought this up in the white house briefing room. and keep in mind, the important context is that according to stormy daniels' lawyer, they still have more information that they have yet to share with the public and essentially what they're trying to do now with the lawsuit is get stormy daniels the freedom from a court to speak out so that she can speak out freely without suffering from any repercussions and from the various threats that they say she has been receiving from michael cohen. >> all right, m.j. lee, thank you. i want to bring in criminal defense attorney nick for tuna to talk more about this. and also rebecca berg. so you heard that report that a source has told cnn's jim acosta that the president's very
unhappy with the way sarah sanders handled this yesterday. she seemed to acknowledge -- or she did acknowledge arbitration. she seemed to acknowledge the president was involved, very likely aware of the legal wrangling with daniels. did she poke sarah sanders a huge hole in this story we heard from michael cohen where trump didn't know about this payoff? >> absolutely. this story we have heard is this has nothing to do with donald trump, it was a completely false narrative that stormy daniels wanted to tell, but that just out of caution they wanted to make sure this wasn't going to impact the election, impact president trump's reputation, and so michael cohen, on his own, went and decided to enter into this agreement with her. that is not what we heard from sarah sanders yesterday. and so it is not helpful to a president for her to be getting up there in the white house press briefing room, and suggesting that the president is directly involved in this, and potentially has knowledge of it, but at the same time, how can you blame sarah sanders for
being in this position, for having to answer for the president's actions with a porn star, just an outrageous sort of situation that most white houses you would never find yourself in, but with president trump she's having to explain or make excuses for just this outrageous story. >> seems mad at the human shield in this moment. >> exactly. >> nick, daniels' attorney told anderson cooper that this whole idea that trump did not know anything about the payments to his client is, quote, patently absurd. do you believe that? >> of course. i mean, i think trump has lost this suit before it is even started. as far as the restraining order is concerned, that his personal attorney tried to get while obscuring the fact that it is on behalf of trump renders the restraining order invalid. the agreement itself that they entered into allows for that party to go to court, so i think
poor lawyering from the start, you know, gave stormy daniels an opportunity to go to court and ask the court to review this -- review the situation and see if she is bound by the agreement. i think her attorney is correct. she's more likely than not, not going to be bound by this agreement. not only did he not sign the agreement there are plenty of opportunities, the way the agreement was written, for her to speak out about certain matters that are not going to be covered by the agreement. and i agree that sarah sanders basically confirmed the involvement of trump with stormy daniels. >> okay, and so when you hear sarah sanders, i wonder what you think about this, where she's talking about this arbitration, it is something that you mentioned, michael cohen is trying to get. but it is -- she's talking about what is supposed to be a secret court order, and it is just -- i mean, this sort of defies the whole point of it, it is clearly not secret anymore. >> right.
and it is silly for them to think it would be secret because any arbitration order is subject to confirmation by a court. and that's what i meant by poor lawyering. they didn't handle this properly, that -- how these disputes would be managed in the future. and it does allow for the parties to go to court. and in the agreement itself, it allows the parties to ask that any filings be sealed, so that gives implicit permission for stormy daniels or even trump or anyone else to file an action without it being under seal and disclosing what the nature and the substance of the dispute is. so i really think that, you know, this is maybe a slow moving train wreck for trump in this case because he is not going to have the opportunity to keep this quiet. >> and it is just not happening, rebecca, we look politically at this and that's exactly what it is, this slow moving train wreck. it seems like sarah sanders is saying on one hand we're passing this off if you have questions, you have to go to the personal counsel and yet in a way she
also couldn't help but just saying something about it. so it doesn't seem like passing off to personal counsel is really a sustainable political strategy here. >> it hasn't been with the russia investigation, and it hasn't been with the accusations during the campaign and afterward by -- there is no way the white house proper can possibly ignore such a serious story. even though when you look at this from a political perspective, this is already sort of baked in for many of the president's supporters. republicans, even conservatives, who you would consider maybe religious conservatives, the family oriented share of the republican party, they swallowed hard and supported donald trump in the election. even after that access hollywood tape, after women came forward of accusations of sexual misconduct. so politically this might not impact the president as much as the story would suggest. >> rebecca and nick, thank you to both of you. coming up, any moment now,
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administrator, scott pruitt, attorney general jeff sessions, education secretary betsy devos, all under fire for various reasons. cnn politics writer wanda summers here to discuss. let's tick through the scandals. ben carson comes to mind for more than one reason. >> there are a couple of different things there. the first of which as we reported yesterday, ben carson considering moving -- removing a phrase from his agency's mission statement, removing the phrase, free from discrimination or is considering it. that has got and a lot of lawmakers up in arms. he wants to focus on self-sufficiency. that's not the only thing he's under fire for. as we reported, he has been under fire and under pressure for a $31,000 dining set that he attempted to purchase for his official secretary suite at hud, a lavish purchase, people raised eyebrows at that and under
pressure after saying he wouldn't do it, he's going to return it, they're looking at the role his family played at hud. his son ben carson, in organizing a summer listening tour at baltimore. >> and there is three secretaries, three of them who are being looked at for exorbitant travel costs. >> ryan zinke, over at interior. his travel sparked two separate investigations into his travel. also allegations that he's mixed official business with political fund-raisers and donor events. scott pruitt, the epa administrator, is also under fire for the cost of both domestic and international travel, particularly first class flights he takes. he's explained that and said this is for security reasons. and that those decisions are made by members of his staff. lastly, you have va secretary david shulkin, the subject of a damming ig report several weeks ago that found that he and senior members of his staff misled ethics officials and a senior aide, his former chief of
staff, actually doctored an e-mail to ethics officials that led to the secretary's wife's flight being paid for. shulkin has reimbursed the treasury. he said the ig report, he did nothing improper but regrets it distracted from his agency's mission. >> and the attorney general, i mean, seems like jeff sessions is frequently at odds with the president, but that's especially the case going into this cabinet meeting. >> absolutely. about a week ago, you saw the president lash out on twitter. he said that jeff sessions is disgraceful. there has been a rift growing between the two of them since sessions made that decision to recuse himself with regard to the russia investigation. the president is someone who values loyalty. he didn't like that. and they have been at odds, it seems that's a relationship fundamentally broken with no real sign of repair. >> this will be -- like thanksgiving dinner with the family. could get really awkward. >> really fast. >> wanda summers, thank you for that. lawmakers in florida taking action on gun control in the wake of the stoneman douglas
high school shooting. it is now up to governor rick scott if this new bill becomes law. we'll have details on the new restrictions on firearm sales and arming teachers next. she's nationally recognized for her compassion and care. he spent decades fighting to give families a second chance. but to help others, they first had to protect themselves. i have afib. even for a nurse, it's complicated... and it puts me at higher risk of stroke. that would be devastating. i had to learn all i could to help protect myself. once i got the facts, my doctor and i chose xarelto®. xarelto®... to help keep me protected. once-daily xarelto®, a latest-generation blood thinner... ...significantly lowers the risk of stroke in people with afib not caused by a heart valve problem. it has similar effectiveness to warfarin. xarelto® works differently. warfarin interferes with at least 6 blood-clotting factors. xarelto® is selective, targeting just one critical factor interacting with less of your body's natural blood-clotting function. for afib patients well-managed on warfarin, there is limited information on how xarelto® compares
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well, florida is one step closer to implementing new gun control legislation, lawmakers in the state approved a gun and school safety bill that would allow some teachers and staff to be armed. and the vote is coming three weeks after the deadly mass shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida. andrew pollock, a father who lost his daughter in the shooting, is applauding the bill. >> we thank the house and senate for voting in favor of protecting our children. but more needs to be done and it is important for the country to unite. in the same way the 17 families
united in support of this bill. >> cnn's athena jones is with us now from tallahassee, florida. tell us what's in the bill, athena, and what the road ahead is. >> reporter: good morning, brianna. some of the gun restrictions in this bill are being viewed as significant in a state nicknamed the gun shine state because of its long history of pro gun rights policies. here is some of what the bill would do, raise the minimum age to purchase a fire arm and require a three-day waiting period. it would ban the sale or possession of bump fire stocks. that's the accessory that allows a semi-automatic weapon to fire more like an automatic weapon. it would give police more power to seize weapons and ammunition from people who have been deemed mentally unfit or otherwise a threat. and it would provide additional funding for armed school resource officers and mental health services in districts across the state. the most controversial provision
in the bill is one that would allow some teachers and other school staff to be armed as long as they undergo training and meet other criteria. that is something that some students and teachers and parents don't like and that florida governor rick scott says he doesn't like. he has said repeatedly teachers should teach. governor scott also doesn't like the three-day waiting period, but he hasn't made clear whether he would veto legislation that includes these two provisions. yesterday, governor scott said that once he gets the bill, he plans to review it line by line. as of just a few minutes ago, we last spoke with the governor's office, he hadn't yet received it. once the governor receives the bill, he has 15 days to decide whether to sign it or veto it. if he takes no action, after those 15 days, the bill goes into effect automatically. >> all right, athena jones, thank you so much for that. still to come, the california governor and attorney general jeff sessions are locked in a war of words after the doj sues the state over immigration. what kind of welcome should
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state of california is not entitled to block that activity. somebody needs to stand up and say no, you've gone too far, you cannot do this. this is not reasonable. it is radical, really. >> this is really unprecedented for the chief law enforcement of the united states to come out to california and act more like fox news than a law enforcement officer. this is a political stunt. >> i want to bring in steve cortez, cnn political commentator and former trump campaign adviser and maria car dona also with us, cnn political commentator and democratic strategist. so, steve, the attorney general is saying that california's elected officials are, quote, radical extremists. and then you hear jerry brown firing right back, the governor saying that the trump administration is full of liars. i wonder what you think is going to happen when the president visits san diego next week. >> well, i suspect he'll have a
very productivity visit. governor brown says that this is unprecedented. it is actually not unprecedented at all. he reminds me of another democratic governor george wallace and some of his other southern governors during the civil rights era when they took refused to enforce federal law because of their local, narrow political agenda. so i think he's evoking the ghost of those segregationists, governors, rebel governors, and he's trying to defy federal law and, by the way, in doing so, putting his own citizens and federal agents in grave danger by protecting the rights of dangerous known criminal legal aliens over the rights of a citizen, the safety of the citizens of the united states. >> maria. >> clearly steve read the talking points out of the white house and the department of justice. that's just wrong. and if you listen to what governor brown said -- >> which part is wrong? >> he'll tell you. he talks about the statutes in california are such that what they protect are the rights of people living in california, but
it never says those rights supersede the rights of immigration officers. what they do say is that the obligation of enforcing immigration law should not follow faufall on local law enforcement. it says very specifically, governor brown said this, and attorney general javier becerra said this over and over again they cooperate fully when they are talking about drug cartels, gang members, violent criminals, people who are dangerous to the community. the problem with what jeff sessions is doing is that he wants local law enforcement to go after grandmothers, to go after fathers, to go after children. >> that's not true. >> who are not here with papers, and that is -- >> that's not true. >> yes, it is true. that's exactly what is going on. >> what he wants and what is sensible, by the way, for the american people, want local law enforcement, most of whom want to do this, by the way. >> that's not true either. >> when they have a known dangerous person, such as the
killer of kate steinle in police custody already, in san francisco, with a federal detainer for him to be turned over and deported they did not comply. why? because of a so-called -- a so-called sanctuary city. it is not sanctuary for kate steinle. it is not sanctuary for the many hispanic the victims of these knownalien. and the oakland mayor loast wee when she knew there was an i.c.e. raid and she alerted the public so they could scurry and hide? >> the problem, steve, i.c.e. is not just going after known dangerous criminals, they are going after immigrants who have done nothing in terms of breaking the law except being here without papers. that is exactly what the attorney general and governor bro brown don't want to happen.
in fact, you're wrong when you say law enforcement does want to do what jeff sessions says. they do not. do you know why? because they know if law enforcement officials are known to be coordinating tightly with i.c.e. or federal law enforcement, that puts communities in danger because immigrants will not go to them, for example, on issues of domestic abuse, of rape, and this is a known fact in law enforcement communities, steve, and you should know that. >> steve, i want to ask you -- steve, if i may. so the attorney general is saying, look, because this is about reporting, for instance, the release of detainees from custody. he's saying basically we're not going to do that work for the federal government. i mean, the federal government does have other ways to get that information. >> sure. no, they do. by the way, but it puts federal agents at risk. turning somebody over in a jail
from local authorities to federal authorities is relatively riskless, right? when you have to go and get him in the community, it's a danger to the community. it's a danger to the i.c.e. agents to have to knock on doors or blast through doors in the middle of the night. it makes no sense. by the way, if california officials don't agree with our immigration policies, they should work to change them. they can't decide to ignore them simply because they believe in open borders anarchy. >> they don't believe that, steve. there you go with talking points. >> he was the foundation of donald trump's victory was getting over the border and our immigration system. the american people validated that vision and it's not up to jerry brown to endanger his citizens, his citizens and federal agents by flouting federal law. >> we have to leave it there for time. maria cardona and steve
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