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vacations. we talked about -- he enjoys art. and we broke down those barriers and talked about it, just as a person to a person. >> they were about 500 miles away from their home in woodlawn, washington, a place called west port, california. another bizarre twist is that child protective services in washington state had been out to the house last friday, monday and tuesday, wanting to check on the welfare of the children. because back in 2010, one of the women, one of the moms, had pled guilty to a domestic assault charge in minnesota. they were trying to check on them then. they were not there. it looked like basically when police got into the house to see if they were there and alive, it looked like they had just left the house for a temporary trip. so a lot of mystery here and a lot of sadness. brooke? >> how awful. miguel, thank you for the update on that, out of california. let's continue on here to
the top of the hour. you are watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we are following breaking news in this tangled web surrounding the president, the porn star and the hush money. a judge has just ruled that the president will not be forced to testify under oath about his alleged relationship with stormy daniels. at least for now. the judge saying daniels' attorney michael avenatti was premature. and just on cnn, he agrees, but suggests he's not quite finished with the fight to end the president's silence. >> look, wolf, over the course of my lifetime, it hasn't happened a lot. but it turns out we were a little premature this time around. it was just a procedural ruling. it really means nothing. i will tell you this. we're very, very encouraged by language in the order, not just suggesting, but basically finding that we're correct in the application of the law and the facts to this matter. this does not bode well for the
president or mr. cohen. and all indications are that when this motion is heard on the merits, we're going to get the discovery and we're going to get the trial we've asked for. >> joseph camerotta, paula jones' former attorney against president clinton with me now. did michael avenatti overplay his hand? >> i don't think so. i think what he did was what any lawyer who represents a victim should do, is be very aggressive. and he tried to get the deposition sooner rather than later. there's nothing wrong with that. the court said, as you mentioned, not now, but maybe later. the pivotal issue is going to be whether or not the trump group can enforce the arbitration clause in the stormy daniels' agreement. if so, more likely than not the hope of deposing mr. trump in an
arbitration proceeding is minima minimal. >> let me ask you about the other piece of news. this is michael cohen's lawyer here on cnn saying that trump wasn't involved in the whole stormy nda. here he was. >> the president was not aware of the agreement. at least michael cohen never told him about the agreement. i can tell you that. >> what about the money? >> he was not aware about any of it. >> okay. >> he was not aware. he wasn't told about it. michael cohen left the option open. that's why he left that signature line, the option open to go to him. he chose not to. >> maybe this is where those little words and/or come in with regard to the president's signature, aka david dennisson. with what mr. schwartz said, would this help the stormy case? would it give them an opening? >> would it give them an opening to pursue in terms of -- >> if they're saying trump
didn't know to sign, then would that render the contract invalid? >> if he did not sign, he didn't have a complete agreement, meeting of the minds. well you need persons a and b. otherwise you don't have a complete meeting of the minds, complete enforceable agreement. that would play into the hand of stormy daniels. but, you know, it seems that on the trump side that the story keeps changing, the sands keep shifting in terms of who did what relative to putting this agreement together. you have to believe that a lawyer would lay out $130,000 for a client just because he liked the man. that's kind of hard to believe.
>> you wouldn't do that for someone you really liked? >> not really. i'm not sure you're supposed to do that as a lawyer. now you have an invested interest in the underlying litigation. and our ethical rules, as i understand it, prohibit us from doing that. even if i love my client, i don't think that's the appropriate thing to do. so here they say i just gave $130,000 to president-elect my good friend donald trump. it just doesn't ring true. >> especially when it comes to borrowing against your home to have this money to pay this person. let me move on. we also really wanted to talk to you. joseph, let's relive the '90s for a second. >> okay. >> because your case -- do you like that? your case by paula jones has recently been cited here. based on what you know about this case, do you think the precedent applies, not having
the president immune from civil cases, applies with donald trump? >> it most certainly does. >> it applies? >> it applies in the zervos case, in the stormy daniels case t applies in any case in which a president is accused of wrongdoing unrelated to his official business, unrelated to the office of the president of the united states. the supreme court said in the jones and clinton case that there is no -- we don't have kings in our society. we're all equal before the eyes of the law. and that the president of the united states is just like any other citizen, and has to stand accountable in a krom for any alleged wrongdoing. so it most certainly applies to the stormy daniels' case and it most certainly applies to the zervos case and any other case in which mr. trump is accused of wrongdoing or inappropriate conduct. he will be in the appropriate circumstances subject to fact finding, answering written
questions under oath, providing written documents and giving sworn testimony under oath in a deposition. >> i like that. no kings in the eyes of the law. thank you so much for weighing in. i appreciate that. let's move on. this other breaking story, russia retaliating against the u.s., announcing that the kremlin will shut down the u.s. consulate in st. petersburg and not only that, they'll expel 60 u.s. diplomats, the exact same number of russian diplomats that president trump expeled last week. it is considered punishment for the poisoning of a russian spy over in england. washington post columnist. phil black, first to you. this tit-for-tat, tell me about that. >> the principle of reciprocity, according to russian officials. this was always going to be the minimum response, you kick out
60, we'll kick out 60. you close a consulate, we'll do the same. precisely that's what they've done. they've decided to match that u.s. effort and not escalate it. they're not just doing it with the united states as well, but to every country that, in recent days, has announced the expulsion of russian diplomats or intelligence officers. you're talking more than 20 countries, 150 diplomats will be given their marching orders by moscow over the coming days in the same way that the u.s. has received these orders today. they've dealt with america first, the russian viewers that this is the bare minimum response, a reasonable response that what you have done to us, unjustly, but they included a warning. that is if other countries, notably the united states, do take further action against russia, russia will respond further as well, brooke. >> the spokeswoman at the state department, josh heather nauert,
just announced this. >> ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation, dubbing 60 of our staff persona nongrata and must depart within 60 days and the closing of our consulate in 48 hours. it's clear that the russian federation is not interested in a dialogue on issues that matter to our two countries. i spoke with him a short time ago and other colleagues serving in moscow. i left ambassador huntsman know that the entire state department and u.s. government stands with our people admission russia. >> you heard her, josh. this 60 for 60. does it end there? >> i think it ends this round of the tit-for-tat. who knows what putin will do next. each of these steps that they
take is in response to something egregious and often illegal that the russian government did in the first place, right? first invading crimea, then eastern ukraine, interfered in our election. now they're killing people on the streets of england. so, sure, we can have this sort of diplomatic detante for a while. john bolton, incoming national security adviser, said a couple of weeks ago that really the only way to really stop putin from continuing his aggression is to have a disproportionate response. he wants to do a lot more, right? if russians want to do a lot more in response, fine, we'll see where their breaking point is. as long as we have a piece meme response and we have a piecemeal response. >> speaking of john bolton, incoming national security adviser meeting the defense secretary mattis for the first
time, listen to how general mattis greets him. >> mr. secretary, so good to see you. thank you for inviting me over. >> thanks for coming. and good to finally meet you. >> absolutely. >> i hear that you're absolutely a devil incarnate. i wanted to meet you. >> the devil incarnate. i wanted to meet you. thoughts? >> these guys have been working in the same very small national security community, various highest levels for decades, okay? they don't agree on a lot of stuff. first of all, they don't agree on whether we should attack north korea, okay? >> minor detail. >> bolton says we should, mattis says she shouldn't. they don't agree on the iran nuclear deal. they're wrapping their arms around each other, very public show of support for good reason. they're professionals. they'll have to work together. north korea summit, iran deal. there's wars going on.
it's a crazy time in our lives. they're both sort of trying to rise above it. are they going to be able to do that? that depends on both of them. mattis has a lot of experience working with trump officials that he doesn't agree with. he's very good at it. bolton has a lot of experience not working well with people that he disagrees with. he'll have to change. a lot of people i talk to close to bolton says he knows that. he's not going to be the john bolton that gets into fights with everybody all the time for no good reason. he is going to try to be a manager, leader and work with all these people because he knows that's the job that he's about to have. >> they will be watched very closely, the two of them. josh, thank you so much. good to see you. just in, fox news host laura ingram is now apologizing for mocking a school shooting survivor as advertisers are pulling out of her show. stack of fan mail letters addressed to the parkland school killer. who these letters are from and why the suspect may have no idea they exist. and right now, stephon
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today for the business insider. all right. there's the -- i want you to fact check some of what trump is saying and then we'll get into the meat and potatoes of perhaps why he's really irked with amazon, aka jeff bezos. first the taxes and the postal system. is he right or is he wrong? >> when we're talking about taxes we need a debate on whether companies in america across the board should be getting sweetheart deals to move to cities, to states. amazon is not the only company that gets a sweetheart deal when it says it's going to bring jobs to, whatever, tuscaloosa, alabama, whatever you're talking about. if we want to have discussion about that, we should do that about corporate america in general. this is happening to all kinds of companies in all kinds of sectors. now the u.s. postal service, that is patently false. packages is the one bright spot in the u.s. postal service. that's what amazon delivers. this is a president who thinks americans still get their milk
from, quote, the local milk people, unquote. it's kind of crazy. so the question is, if we want to talk about anti-trust, that's another thing. do you want to talk about how amazon is pushing retailers out? >> his wealthier friends who he hops on the phone with are saying this is forcing mom and pops out of business. >> to me it's unfortunate that he doesn't try to cover more pressing anti-trump issues like health care where we're seeing massive mergers, pricing going up and americans aren't able to keep up with the price of drugs. trump's fda had tweeted about that. if anybody should be retweeting about it, it's trump. this is a problem he can solve. >> how much of it is, though, about the guy who is at the top at amazon is also the same guy at the top as what the president affectionately refers to as the washington post. how much of this is personal? >> it's hard not to think this is personal.
trump went really hard after michael bloomberg and i think it was a little billionaire jealousy there. they come from the same hometown. trump hates "the new york times." i think he might hate "the washington post" more. he grew up with "the new york times." he has this weird thing with maggie haberman, is kind of obsessed with her. i think "the washington post" is a perfect target for him. yeah, he's tired of the media and he's getting up and tweeting about it. what else is new? >> linette lopez, thank you very much. >> thanks. >> all of this as hope hicks says good-bye at the white house. here they are, cameras rolling. sources say aides are concerned that trump could begin to, their word, unravel without her. others are telling trump he doesn't need a communications director, doesn't need a chief of staff. how much is he listening to them? also ahead the shooter at douglas high school in park land, florida, getting stacks and stacks of fan mail as he sits behind bars. what the sheriff's department had to say about these
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marjory stoneman douglas. some have even sent money for his commissary. crime & justice with ashleigh banfield host, ashleigh banfield is with me. obviously, you were like, what? >> yeah. >> why are people doing this? >> it's not just his phenomenon. manson had it, drew peterson had it. the menendez brothers had their followers, too. it's weird. >> it's beyond weird. >> yeah. some people marry people who are committed for life and people who are committed and sentenced to death and they meet them through the mail and they marry them. and it's odd. it's an odd fen om phenomenon. this one is particularly sad because it's abrasive, feels ugly. money flowing in, reports of up wards of $800 has flown into his commissary account where he can
buy things. it's just jarring. the sheriffs have kept it from him. he is in isolation, on suicide watch. he's not allowed just to peruse our shows or the mail. they're reading some religious reports -- some of these religious e-mails or letters that have come in. but they're not letting him see the racy photographs and the love letters from -- i mean, you wouldn't believe the women and girls and even grown men. >> sending these letters. speaking of parkland, fox news host laura ingram attacked this one student, david hogg, who has been on tv talking about what he's fighting for. she tweeted initially rejected by four colleges to which he applied and whines about it. goes on dinged by ucla, 4.1 gpa, totally predictable given acceptance rates. she has apologized. if you pull up the tweet i'll read what she has said in her mea culpa.
the fact that she has apologized, ashleigh banfield? >> look, i always want to see the best in people. i'm really glad that laura ingraham apologized. i don't know if it was because of how clever he was in his reply. several hours after the initial tweet but don't mess with a 17-year-old kid like david hogg. don't. he simply put up a tweet saying pick a number, one through 12 and contact the company next to that. shall i read the list? because on it was sleep number, at&t, nutrish, liberty mutual, ar by's, trip adviser, hulu and wayfair. since that tweet went up, nutrish dropped advertising. so has wayfair. i think laura ingraham was compelled to read any student should be proud of a 4.2 gpa, including david hogg. on reflection in the spirit of holy week, amen, i apologize for
any upset or hurt my tweet caused him or any brave survivors of parkland. i think my show was the first o to -- i don't know if she had a moment of consciousness or a moment of holy -- >> losing sponsors. >> right wing trolls have gone against her and said are you kidding me? please. you're a 50-some-year-old woman going after a 17-year-old kid. ain't right. >> ashleigh, thank you. >> happy easter. >> same to you. thank you. moments ago, president trump weighed in publicly about why his va chief had to go. is his personal doctor the right guy for the job? we'll talk live to a former green beret and get his take, coming up.
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affairs secretary david shulkin. >> a 25-day wait, a six-month wait. guys are in line and women, they're vets. they're our greatest people. by the time they see the doctor, it's over. it's over. not going to happen. we're going to have real choice. that's why i made some changes, because i wasn't happy with the speed with which our veterans were taken care of. >> shulkin's departure had been rumored for months. the choice to replace him came as a surprise. personal doctor, ronnie jackson, who memorably attended the press briefing and said this about the president's health. >> there's no indication whatsoever that he has any cognitive issues.
very sharp. very articulate. lot of stamina. look at his vision. he's 74 years old. can he drive if he wants to. he washes his hands frequently, uses purell. his overall health is excellent. he has incredible genes i assume. he will remain fit for duty for the remainder of this term and the remainder of another if he is elected. >> the president says jackson is highly qualified despite the fact that he has no management experience. quote, this is a very challenging job for even experienced managers. what has this guy ever managed? can he really take on one of the toughest jobs in government? we are all headed into the deep unknown now. if confirmed, jackson will go from overseeing one patient to overseeing 9 million. let's get the perspective of lieutenant mann, retired green beret. good to see you again. this is a man who served since
the bush 43 administration. do you think he's qualified? >> yeah, i think by the fact that, you know, he is a physician for presidents, the fact that he wears the uniform and, frankly, all the comments you just read, brooke, said we need a manager. i think the managers are what got us into this mess. we need a leader and he strikes me as a leader. >> why? >> first of all, i mean, if you listen to even the way that he gave his assertion that president trump was fit for duty, i mean, he demonstrated that that's the same way that we would probably articulate it for a fighter pilot, green beret. he clearly understands the elements of what it takes to serve in the military, and serve the military veterans and military to the fact that he assigneded to the level that he has and that he still wears that uniform. i'm willing to suspend disbelief based on the fact that he wears the uniform and give the guy a chance.
i bet there's a better chance that he's a leader. and, again, that's what we need at the va, a leader, not a manager. i think it's the bureaucratic management that's got us into this mess in the first place. >> we played some of the clips from that white house briefing where he was talking about the president's health and later we learned that the president loved his performance there in front of the cameras, when he boasted about the president's health and incredible genes. i would never want to take away from this man's service to this country but is that a qualification for selecting a cabinet secretary? >> no, certainly not to lead the veterans administration. i would go one step further on that one, brooke. as a veteran, we need to remind ourselves what's at stake here. these are men and women that have put their lives on hold so we can live our s. now it's time for them to come home and be healed and recover.
there was a time in this country that we agreed on that, that the veteran came first and we honored that promise. the fact that we're even having this conversation at a larger political level about whether or not trump likes him or he said something, i think we're putting the veterans second. that's what's happened with the va and that's why gals and guys are waiting months to get care gl which is a massive, massive problem. >> absolutely. >> how to attract doctors, nurses, staff to va hospital when they can go next door and make more money. there's this whole discussion about privatization. dr. dr. shulkin said the private sector is ill-prepared to handle the number and complexity of patients particularly when it involves the mental health needs of people scarred by the horrors
of war. the department's understanding of service-related health problems, ground-breaking research and its special ability to work with military veterans cannot be easily replicated. if dr. jackson works to privatize -- which is what the white house has signaled the president would be in favor of, how would you see that moving forward? >> do you think it should be privatized? >> in some cases it does. i spoke with 17 combat veterans over the last couple of hours, brooke. you know as well as i do the kind of sacrifice many of our combat veterans have made. of the 17, 16 of them were dealing with some kind of pts or tbi, traumatic brain injury, issue. and all of them cited it's very tough to get one on one time with a psychiatrist, mental health specialist in the va and they said privatization in that
sense may be good. in some cases the va does have the edge on certain things. we should leave it there. at the end of the day, needs of the veteran should be what drives the leadership to go private or stick with the va. what i hear are self agendas or politicized agendas. and that concerns me from a narrative perspective. there were times as americans we knew better. we need to get back to the fact that we take care of our veterans first and do what's right by them. if it's privatization for one particular thing, we do it. one other thing i would say, brooke, this is not going to be a home run. it's going to take time. no agency ever hits a home run. i would fall on the floor if it did. multiple leaders over a period of time. but we've got to put the veterans first. >> colonel mann, thank you. >> thanks. i appreciate it. just in, president trump touting his phone call with roseanne about her high ratings. hear why he is taking credit for
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sacramento police last week in his grandmother's backyard. he was not armed. he was holding his cell phone. the officers were responding to a vandalism call. his brother, stevante, just spoke to the congregation. >> i am. i am. [ crowd chants ] louder [ crowd chants ] louder [ crowd chants ] >> you all love me? mama, i love you more. naacp, al sharpton, we're going to do libraries, going to do resource centers. stephon is going to live general rations to generations to generation. the clark family will never die. >> the reverend al sharpton blasting the response from the white house that deadly shootings across the country were local matters. angela rhys is with me,
congressional black caucus. cnn political commentator. ken, let me begin with you. from what we heard from the white house yesterday, this is a local matter, should be handled by local authorities. if you can put the legal issues aside, you know, isn't it a moral issue? don't you risk an answer, like we heard from sarah sanders at the briefing yesterday, that sounds dismissive? >> there's no question that while technically true overwhelmingly the management, even in these situations that are tragic with someone shot and killed, police departments and sheriff's departments is local and state, the federal government has a role, civil rights role for one. and potential role for putting together best practices and trying to remove them around the
country. to sound that dismissive from the podium wasn't smart. it wasn't wise. and it wasn't very compassionate, of course. but as a practical matter, the responsibility for dealing with police departments and any bad action actions by police is overwhelmingly local in state. >> angela, how do you see it? >> i see that barack obama in his administration had a far more effective response to decades and centuries of police violence. barack obama in december 2014 issued executive order 13684 setting up a task force, lat report where they went into the field to talk to local communities who had been impacted locally by people dying who looked just like them locally. but there was a federal response, a department of justice not a department of
injustice that looked into every single one of these brutal death s that were suffered at the hands of police violence. i would read back some names. in illinois, mcdonald and boyd. in texas, sandra bland n ohio we had 12-year-old tamir rice and john crawford. in new york, eric garnechlt r, sean bell. in michigan we had 7-year-old jones, in maryland freddy gray n north carolina we had jonathan farrell. in south carolina walter scott. in california we had ford and most recently stephon clark. in my home state of washington, charlina liels. that is a sampling of how it is not a local issue. it is a national disaster, a national problem. it's reminiscent of everything that black and brown people have experienced with law enforcement since the beginning of their establishment. it is a national problem.
>> so given the list in agreeing it is a national issue, why, when we look, ken, at what the president choose to weigh in on issues. he weighs in on the national anthem and taking a knee. why not take a stand on black and brown people in this country being killed by police? >> first of all, the question to sarah sanders was about the sacramento shooting of one was white and one was black. that's true, one was white, and one was black, mentioning baltimore and gray, police officers were black and white, and -- >> what about race? >> they were responding to what they perceived as the threat, not responding to the race of the victim. >> can i respond to this momentarily? not one time in my list, not one time many my comments about barack obama establishing and executive order an a task force
to look into police violence did i bring up the race of officers. this is the problem we have with systemic oppression and racism. it doesn't matter the actor, but how they are trained to perceive black people. that is the problem. so when your initial framework for establishing law enforcement and their engagement with people of color in this country is to hunt and down return to their masters, run away slaves, that is the pair dime. you see black people as violent and criminal in all actions going forward centuries later. that pair dime has yet to shift and upon responsible citizens in the country, we hope it starts with the commander in chief saying we know there's a problem in the wayings in which law enforcement interacts with certain people. there's those we are there to protect and serve, and those who are we are prepared to shoot and to kill. that is a problem with the framework, and it has to change.
>> quick response? >> that's just not right. >> it's accurate. >> that assumes away -- it's totally illogical saying one of the shooting officers is a black. it's a racist incident against black people in general, and that just defies logic. >> have you looked at the data? it does not defie logic. >> i have. the washington post -- >> you should see -- black people are killed by the police. >> i have not interrupted you yet -- >> i interrupted you to correct you. >> oh, i really appreciate that, and you were wrong. >> no, i'm not wrong. >> they set up a data base -- that's four sburpginterruptions. they track police shootings in the last couple years r and one of the things they have found is that the overwhelming proportion people shot by police are white, not surprisingly, but about 26%
have been black, and about 7 75% -- to the population, double. it's lower than the proportion of arrests. i would also note that this year, 2018, so far there's been 18 police officers shot and killed as it's not a big data pool, but so far, nine of the 16 were shot by black offenders. >> okay. so -- >> the other seven were not. >> interactions with the criminal justice system. have you also looked into the numbers of people who have been shot and killed by the police, 18 officers, but what about the thousands of people to the and killed by the police this year? we are disproportionally black. >> i was referring to the washington post. >> i know. it's important how we frame data. we have a responsibility in the news to report things accurately and to be fair, so what i'm telling you about systemic racism. >> i did and lower than the actual arrests. >> now we're talking over each other, so you may not count that
as an interruption, but i do. as defensive in our feelings as we might be, these are the facts, and they hurt, and they have to be challenged from the foundation of the country. it's a problem. i urge you, given your legal background and all you've seen as a former elected official to use your platform responsibly and tell the whole truth. systemic racism in the country is a problem. >> okay. okay. >> yeah, so -- >> i have to go. ten seconds. >> okay. in sacramento, we are seeing an evolution of how these events are analyzed. they have body cams. a lot more information when the investigation complete to make policy decisions. it is an important issue. i agree with you about that. should never stop trying to make this better, but there's no one else in the society we ask to strap on a gun every day, put lives on the line to protect us other than law enforcement. >> they don't protect us all. >> ken, angela, thank you, both for the discussion. i just wanted to sit back and listen.
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