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hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan, ratings, rants and maybe revelations. a morning of must see tv in the political drama known as the trump presidency. this hour, stormy daniels speaking out, her attorney says she'll also be releasing a sketch of the man she says threatened her and her child to keep quiet about her alleged affair with donald trump. it comes hours after a major ruling in the government's case against michael cohen, the president's private attorney. there were audible gasps in that hearing, in that courtroom, as michael cohen's legal team was forced to identify a mystery client, the big reveal, yes it
sounds like reality tv, turns out to be fox news host sean hannity. one of the president's biggest supporters on cable tv and a fierce critic of the fbi raid on cohen's properties. before it came out in court, hannity had never disclosed that relationship. also, going public overnight, james comey's book, this morning, the former fbi director in his first live interview gave this dire warning to the country. >> we wake up in the morning and see the president of the united states is accusing people of crimes without evidence, and pronouncing them guilty and saying they should be in jail. that should wake all of us up with a start, there has been so much of it we're a little bit numb and that's dangerous. one thing i hope to do send courage people to think about that and focus on that rather than becoming sort of numb to it and trying to squeeze it out of your mind. >> all right, let's begin with that extraordinary court hearing here in new york, federal judge ruling that michael cohen's legal team will have the chance to review materials seized in the raid of his home, hotel room
and office. what does that mean for him? what does it mean for the president and does that get us any closer to learning what the fbi was looking for in the first place? cnn's brynn gingras is following all of this for us. what exactly has happened here? >> reporter: slows things down a bit. the federal judge in this case giving all sides a little bit of what they wanted without yet making a final determination about how investigators will be able to review those seized documents from last week's raid on michael cohen's home, office and hotel room. u.s. attorney's office will hand over copies of the seized materials to cohen's legal team and the judge asked them to get an idea of the volume of the documents protected by attorney/client privilege, which is what this hearing is all about. the judge also ordered the government to do the same. now, remember, the president filed a late motion wanting access to all those records as well and the judge also authorized cohen's team to give trump's lawyers whatever material pertains to the president and the trump
organization. but all of this somewhat overshadowed by the fact that we learned in court fox news host sean hannity is a client of michael cohen's. now this came out in pretty dramatic fashion in court after the judge insisted cohen's attorneys hand over a list of his clients. there was trump, broidy and an unnamed third client, which is hannity. he says he only sought legal advice from cohen, wasn't an actual client, never paid him, but still admitted to wanting attorney/client privilege. here is what he said on his radio show. >> i might have handed him ten bucks, i want attorney/client privilege on this, something like that. >> that can be debated. back to this criminal investigation into cohen's personal and business dealings. it is new to us, the government actually revealed in court it has been working on this case for months. but in some aspects it will now slow down just a bit until all
sides come back to court regarding the documents and that could take several weeks. >> and what could happen in the meantime? let us stand by and see. brynn, great to see you, thank you for breaking it down for us. let's discuss this more now. page peyton is here, constitutional lawyer, and caroline polissi, specializing in federal and white collar crimes. caroline, first to you, how big of a sigh of relief is michael cohen and his team breathing right now, do you think? >> not that big of a sigh. the initial ask, they wanted to basically roll back the hands of time and get all of the information back at the initial state. they were asking for the procedure that would be put in place for subpoena instead of we know there was a search warrant issued. so the government has access to all this information. so they definitely didn't get that, they got some brake pumping a little on the speed at which this investigation is proceeding. but for sure the government is going to get to at least look at
this information in tandem with cohen's team at this point and duke it out with potentially a special master or judge kimba wood herself deciding over these issues of privilege. >> amazing how this is all playing out. why is there so much drama over the unveiling of cohen's list of clients? >> i think there was the expectation, at least this is the economic station mixpectati team wanted us to have, that he had a lot of clients, had a lot of information seized by the government. i don't think that's true at all. he was only able to identify two clients and a half client, with sean hannity. i think that's very odd. i know as a lawyer, i can identify all of my clients and my clients know that i'm their lawyer. it is very confusing when your client is unsure if you're representing them or not. so at end of the day, i think the judge is not going to have a lot of privileged material, they have to decide whether it can be released to the government or not. i think it is a very small world or small universe of information that is going to be reviewed and
subject potentially to attorney/client privilege. >> do you think that's what this is more about, that they were trying to make it seem like a huge burden, of what he was -- all of the documents that got swept up and what they were looking at. i do wonder, if hannity really wasn't cohen's client, why did michael cohen feel that -- the need to disclose him as a client? it seems a simple question. >> yeah, there is clearly a disconnect between what is going on here, what cohen's attorneys are stating in court to a federal district judge, and then what hannity is saying in his disclosures now, tweets. what is really interesting is he parsed the words in hannity's tweets, he is saying that he dealt almost exclusively with cohen on real estate matters. so the question, that's lawyer speak for there is something else. why did he have to say almost? i think there is definitely more to this story. clearly there is some miscommunication between michael
cohen and sean hannity. >> on the most basic level, and, yes, this is going to come -- i don't care if it comes across as a dumb question. how is it determined that hannity is a client. he says he's not a client. >> he wants it both ways. you can't have it that. at the end of the day, the supreme court protects communications between a lawyer and a client. what determines if there say lawyer and a client. it is the expectation between those two individuals. i can't talk to someone and think they're my client if that person doesn't believe they're my client and then have those communications protected. so it is a mutual understanding between the lawyer and the client or the potential client. money is not a factor. this $10 payment, that's ridiculous. you don't have to pay a lawyer to have attorney/client privilege, but you need the expectation. both sides need to know what we're talking about is privileged and needs to remain between the lawyer and the client. >> caroline, i assume your
hourly rate is more than $10 an hour. i won't ask you to answer that, though. shimon prokupecz, he made a good point about how all this came out in terms of the client list. he said if it wasn't for the attorney representing the press, and the media in this, that hannity's name would not -- would have been filed and sealed. the judge was prepared to allow that to happen, just hand an envelope over to the judge with a name on it, but someone stood up and argued successfully against it. what does that mean, do you think, for the whole court battle going forward? >> i think it is very interesting. i love this new piece of information that we're hearing. were it up to michael cohen, he would have -- i love this out of a mob movie, slipped the name across the podium to the judge there. exactly. exactly. but then as you said, this -- the first amendment attorney for the press was able to convince judge wood, i think it speaks highly of kimba wood that she's making on the ground decisions in this case, she will not be swayed by sort of, you know, aggressive tactics on the part of these attorneys.
she's going to make a reasoned decision based on the information she has in front of her. the fact is the name of an attorney, the name of a client of an attorney, is not in and of itself privileged information. this is clearly a well briefed and sound ruling. >> one other thing, page, that shimon reminded us of, something the federal prosecutor had said in the courtroom about the cohen investigation, and i'll read you the quote that shimon put out. it is -- this is from the prosecutor, it is important to remember why we're here, which is that the federal magistrate judge found probable cause that there was evidence of crimes and mr. cohen's premises and on his devices. when they put it out like that, it makes me wonder why would the president of the united states want to get involved in this battle at all. >> that's a great question. i'm not sure. the amount of effort and energy the president is applying to this case means there is something there that he wants to protect. because if there is really just, you know, innocuous conversations about the stormy
daniels situation, or about some other legal matter, that is not evidence of a crime, then i don't know that the attorneys for trump would be objecting to it. the government is going to get to see it anyway. the only question is whether trump's lawyers get to see it first. that leads me to believe that there is something in that affidavit that convinced that magistrate judge to issue these warrants that shows evidence of a crime. what crime it is, we can only speculate. but there had to be something there and something significant to authorize this kind of exceptional search warrant being executed on a lawyer's office. >> a lot of work ahead for attorneys on both sides before they head back to the courtroom. caroline, page, great to see you both, thank you. remember the new sanctions against russia, the u.n. ambassador, the u.s. -- the u.n. ambassador said we're coming just yesterday? well, nikki haley, he may want to call your office. why is the president now so upset? that's next. plus, you know what's bad when one of the guys throwing punches even concedes, quote,
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all in a tasty, chewable tablet. fiber choice... the smart choice. president trump putting the brakes on punishing russia. the washington post is reporting that the president was quote/unquote upset when his u.n. ambassador nikki haley said more sanksz wections coming fol the chemical attack in syria. >> you'll see that russian sanctions will be coming down. secretary mnuchin will be announcing those on monday, if he hasn't already. and they will go directly to any sort of companies that were dealing with equipment related to assad and chemical weapons use. >> that was just sunday. white house press secretary sarah sanders very quickly walked it back, saying the administration is only considering new sanctions and, quote, a decision will be made in the near future. what is going on here? joining me now to offer perspective, rob portman of ohio, on several key committees including foreign relations. great to see you. thank you for coming in.
>> great to have you back on. >> thank you. when it comes to sanctions, who do you believe? the u.n. ambassador or the white house here? >> well, sounds like they have got an internal discussion still to be had. sanctions have been effective. i think there need to be additional sanctions, not just for what is happening in syria, but also what is happening -- i just got back from ukraine, the eastern border of ukraine and so i do think sanctions are effective and can be more effective in the future. >> why the hesitation from the white house? nikki haley isn't one to speak out of turn, especially when she knows what she's doing on the sunday talk shows. do you -- what do you think happened there? >> you know, i can't speculate except to say that it is a decision that includes some larger geopolitical stuff going on in the region. i imagine, my understanding from the sanctions that she discussed that might be in place is that they would be specific to syria. stopping the russian arm sales and some of that activity. again, some of our sanctions in the past have been effective in
that because there have been armed sales that were meant to move forward that were stopped because of countries being concerned about the sanks we were putting in place. i think it can be very effective and hopefully move forward with it. >> stand by to stand by on that one and see where that turns next. one critical part that is missing when it comes to syria, and many other things, is the secretary of state. should the full senate vote on mike pompeo even if your committee votes against him? >> yes. yeah. it is important we have a secretary of state in place. i talked to some of my democratic colleagues on the committee. had a hearing last week, as you know. i thought pompeo did a good job, some are concerned about the broader position that the administration is taking on some foreign policy issues. i get that. but we need a secretary of state in place, and pompeo being director of cia is very well aware of the hot button issues around the world, including obviously what is going on in syria, north korea and iran. i think he's a good pick and i hope we had the chance to vote for him on the floor and get him in place. we need him now.
he's going to help in terms of getting the career foreign service people morale up because that's one of the issues we have right now. we need to have the stronger state department, diplomacy is power and diplomacy is needed. i think he'll be good at that. >> you would not be happy if the democratic majority circumvented your committee and said, even if you -- if he doesn't pass the vote in foreign relations and takes it straight to the floor, you wouldn't be happy with that. why is it okay now? >> i don't think i would object as long as there is a vote on the floor and people can vote their conscience yes or no. there has been a tie vote, and i imagine when there is a negative vote, i suspect in committee from counting the heads as i have that maybe it will be a tie vote. and my point is that we need to have a secretary of state in place and he's got the experience and background to be able to hit the ground running and he's needed. and the state department morale will be improve if he's in place, in my view.
>> the former director of the fbi is out with his new book today. not sure if you're aware of that with everything going on. the president called -- he called the president james comey called the president morally unfit to be president. trump responded saying that comey should be prosecuted, comey today then says that the president is calling for the imprisonment of a private citizen and that that is not acceptable in this country. who are you with here? >> well, i hope that fbi directors and for that matter, you know, those of us in public service in general can get above the fray. i know that also in the book apparently i haven't read the book, but apparently he also talks about the president's color of his skin, being orange, or something like that, and the size of his hands and the length of his tie, i just think this is, you know, we're sort of falling into this -- i don't know, tabloid type back and forth stuff that i think has no place in public service.
so i'm not big on kiss and tell books in general. as someone who is a law enforcement official, i think we ought to be above the partisanship and above the name calling. >> you think he shouldn't have written it at all? >> well, look, again, i haven't read it, so i can't judge it. from what i'm hearing from the reporting, it sounds like this is something beneath the dignity of somebody who has the career and the reputation that jim comey has and, you know, he ought to, i think, be focusing on in his post-fbi period, you know, staying above the fray and not getting involved in the name calling and the back and forth that you're talking about today. >> senator, let me ask you, on the russia investigation, senator tillis, republican, of course, pushing a bill to protect special counsel from being fired if the president would go that route. he also said this to politico. the same people who criticized me for filing this bill would be absolutely angry if i wasn't pounding the table for this bill if we were dealing with hillary clinton. so spare me your righteous
indignation. he's talking to republicans here. are you with him? >> i'm not one of those people who criticized him. and i do, by the way, believe that it would be a big mistake for the president to fire mueller. and for that matter to fire rosenstein who would fire mueller. >> mistake with what kind of ramifications? what would you do if he did? >> well, first of all, we got to let mueller finish his investigation. all of the facts where they lead. i think mueller is above the fray, by the way, from my earlier conversations about, you know, importance of public service staying above the fray. but the president has the constitutional right to be able to hire and fire people who work for him. i think as my lawyers have looked at the legislation, you're talking about the tillis legislation, they believe that it is not consistent with that constitutional right. it doesn't mean that the president should do it, he should not. but i don't think that there is an easy way for congress as a legislative branch to step in between a president and an executive branch employee. i just -- i worked at both ends
of pennsylvania avenue, i've been on the executive side and legislative side, and our founders did not intend for congress to be able to intervene in terms of hiring and firing of executive officials. so i think that's an issue with the legislation. however, i do think the congress ought to speak, as i have spoken clearly over time, about this, saying that we ought to let the mueller investigation proceed, we ought to let him get to the bottom of this issue. the american people want to know, particularly to avoid the russians and others meddling in our next election, need to know what happened, why it happened, how it can be avoided going forward. >> and real quick, since it is tax day, of course, you were in ohio talking about the republican tax cut yesterday. and that is the message that, of course, republicans do want to be running on and it would be a beneficial message for them to be running on in 2018. what do you really think, though, do you really think that it is going to breakthrough when it comes to voters and everything else we have just talked about? the president, he's got his personal attorney facing federal investigation, he spends much
more of his time tweeting about james comey, the russia investigation, and a lot of other things than focused on the tax legislation that you all passed. >> well, look, i wish, you know, all of washington was more focused on the substantive issues because they really matte matter. the people i represent, 90% have been told by the irs we're going to withhold less of your paycheck because of this tax cut and tax reform bill and they love that. and they acknowledge it and the proof is in the paycheck. businesses are telling us this helps us to build our employees and make them more productive by expanding more equipment, more technology. yesterday i was at kroger as you noted. and they had a series of announcements including exciting new continuing education program where people get 3500 bucks a year to get a ged or mba. they're also putting more in the 401(k). i'm seeing that all over the country where businesses small and large are responding in a positive way, so i do think that's important to talk about. not because it is about politics, because it is about substance. i think health care costs are too high.
i think we need to do more in terms of dealing with these international crisis we're talking about by having a better plan and better strategy. those are the things that i would hope we can talk about. >> well, and your hope springs etern eternal, senator. let's see what happens. great to see you. >> thank you for talking about some of the issues today and welcome back. >> thank you so much. thank you. >> take care. coming up, fired fbi director james comey, his new book is out. but he's not reserving criticism of president trump to just the pages of the tell-all. coming up, we'll talk to the man who could have replaced comey at the fbi after that firing. former senator joe lieberman. happening now, stormy daniels is speaking out. and is about to reveal, what we're told, is a sketch of the person she says threatened her and her daughter. that's ahead. liberty mutual saved us almost $800 when we switched our auto and home insurance. with liberty, we could afford a real babysitter instead of your brother. hey! oh, that's my robe. is it? when you switch to liberty mutual, you could save $782 on auto and home insurance. and still get great coverage for you and your family.
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this hour, she is speaking, has spoken, let's play you a clip. >> earlier this month he broke his silence, denied knowing anything about hush money, where it came from. but let's take a look. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? why did michael cohen make it if there was no truth to the allegation? >> michael is my attorney. you'll have to ask michael. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know. >> so did this surprise you at all? >> i work in the adult business and i'm a better actor than he is. >> i'll tell you, it shocked me because, you know, it is one thing to be undisciplined in life, another thing to be undisciplined in litigation. when you have a -- you know this, when you have a client that is undisciplined like that, and just spouts off, that's a very dangerous thing.
when he's involved in a lawsuit. and what is ironic to me about this is that's on a thursday, and on monday, the attorney told the american people they could ask the questions to, that attorney's office's and home is raided by the fbi. that's a shocking chain of events in a short period of time. >> we want to talk about the physical threat you say was made against you in 2011. can you remind everyone what you claim happened that day? >> sure, yeah. i was recovering from having my daughter, and taking mommy and me workout classes and i had pulled into the parking lot, and, i was running late, my daughter was, you know, still very young, in the rear facing car seat and all that. i actually did notice the guy walking when i was parking. and he stood out to me because it was a women's center, they had prenatal yoga and lamaze classes. i noticed him because he was sort of well dressed and nothing about him alarmed me. i really thought he was someone's husband that was, like, not wanting to be in whatever his wife was doing.
and as i walked around the car -- i remember it so clearly, i'm getting her, he walk up behind me, i saw his reflection and i turned around and thought for sure he was going to say, do you know where such and such class is or what building, whatever. and he had his hands at his pocket and he looked at my daughter and i just remember him saying, like, it is a beautiful little girl, it would be a shame if something happened to her mom. >> stormy daniels speaking right there on "the view," sitting with her attorney, michael avenatti as well. let me bring in caroline polissi, here with me. so, we're both hearing that together for the first time. they promised to release the sketch of the person that had threatened stormy daniels. i'm not sure if they have done that quite yet. what do you make of just in general stormy daniels speaking out? she's now on a publicity tour of her own. >> she is. you heard meghan mccain grilling her hard about whether or not she was just doing this as a publicity stunt. she made an appearance in the
sdny case this past week. >> just there -- just there yesterday in court. >> just there yesterday in court. i think they're playing this hand to their advantage and avenatti is a shrewd lawyer and in this instance he's done everything right. they played that tape about the $130,000 payment. trump saying he had no idea about it. the key issue in the civil case in avenatti and stephanie clifford, the stormy daniels case, in california federal court, the key issue there is the issue of the nondisclosure agreement and whether or not president trump knew about the $130,000 payment that michael cohen said, you know, he took out a home equity line of credit to pay out of the goodness of his own heart. contract law dictates that a contract between two individuals, one person needs to know what they're signing up for. the fact that donald trump stated to the press that he didn't know about the agreement, and that he didn't sign the agreement, in fact, i think their case in federal court in california -- >> is that the through line to
what michael cohen is facing in court now, which is that is one of the things that could -- that would be a very big deal if it came up in e-mails or any kind of communications is a conversation between michael cohen and donald trump about stormy daniels? >> it definitely could be. >> we have no evidence. >> we know this was a referral from special counsel robert mueller's office to the southern district of new york. we know that it all stemmed from that issue. i think it goes way beyond this $130,000 hush money payment. i think it goes way beyond potential campaign finance violations. the sdny is not the in practice or business of executing search warrants on lawyers' offices if they don't have really strong evidence of really serious crimes. so, yes, i also think the issue of leverage could come into play here, leverage over michael cohen, potentially flipping to give information to the special counsel's office in the russia investigation at large. he knows so much about where the bodies are buried in team trump
over the past decade that it could be very dangerous to president trump. >> caroline, stick with me. all of you, stand by. we'll be right back after this. i'm being told that they did release the sketch of stormy daniels and her attorney, they are releasing the sketch of who the man that she says threatened her and her daughter years ago to stay quiet about the alleged affair that she says she had with donald trump, we're looking at this right now for the first time together. much more on this, clearly, right after a break.
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stay quiet about her alleged affair with donald trump. and threatened her, while she was with her child. she is now speaking out, they're releasing the sketch. let's watch this bit together. >> stormy, you recently sat down with a forensic artist, a well known one, who created a sketch of the alleged suspect based on your memory from that day and now you're ready to reveal that sketch for first time. can we take a look at that? >> sure. >> oh. >> there you go. >> and to your recollection is that the person that threatened you? >> absolutely. >> looks exactly like that person? >> stormy, why did you feel like you couldn't go to the police originally when you were threatened? >> two things. i was scared. it was expressly what he told me not to do. i went home and, like, regrouped and was -- i was going to, i always feel like you should stand up for yourself and you should report it. but the problem with that, in this particular case -- instance would -- i would have gone to the police, would have gone,
okay, a man approached me, this is what he said to me, told me, you know, leave mr. trump alone, and their very next question they would have asked me, why would somebody tell you to leave mr. trump alone and i would have had to answer that question, which was not public at the time and i would have to tell an entire police department and police reports are public record, i know that for a fact, i had sex with donald trump. and then the whole world would have known and i was in the process of trying to quiet that or figure out what to do and honestly i was afraid and i didn't want anyone to know, i didn't want my family to found out that way, i didn't want my life turned upside down. >> when you were talking to news organizations including abc you never brought up the threat. so why now? >> i knew i would be asked the question you asked me, why depos didn't you say anything. i did tell a few people from back then and -- >> who did you tell? >> i told family members and two friends and people i worked with. >> and it is obvious she just
didn't sit down with the sketch artist and, i mean, fabricate this. this is a very detailed sketch, created by a woman by the name of lois gibson, has the world record for the most identifications. she works with the fbi. and -- >> well known. >> law enforcement all around the country. and she found -- she found stormy to be very credible and highly confident in the sketch. we hope it is going to result in a -- >> they released the sketch just now and also, i'm being told, they're offering a $100,000 reward, stormy daniels, her attorney, for anyone who can positively identify this man, the man in the sketch. m.j. lee is here, caroline polissi is still with me. you've been following this very closely. now this moment plays out, what happens now? >> i think that we all didn't think that all of this could get more theatrical and dramatic, but there you have it. we have the sketch now, we have this announcement of $100,000 award for somebody who can provide information about this man that is being described.
just to remind everyone, this is going back to an incident in 2011 when stormy daniels says a man approached her in a las vegas parking lot, and threatened her and told her to leave donald trump alone. the context here, of course, she had agreed to tell a magazine her story about her alleged affair with donald trump, and this is when the man came, she says she had her infant daughter in the back seat, so obviously she says this threat was very scary and serious. i don't know if everyone can see the inscription on the top of the sketch, just for everyone's information, it says the man is described as being between 5'9", 6 feet tall in his 30s to early 40s. lean but fit. i just want to remind everyone that this is seven years later. stormy daniels is insisting that even though many years have passed, the memory of his face is really burned into her memory and she could i.d. him even to this day. but i think another sort of legal context, very important to
keep in mind, is that this sketch, and this man actually has nothing to do with the lawsuit. the lawsuit that she has filed against michael cohen, that donald trump is involved in, has nothing to do with this threat. it has to do with her wanting to get out of this nda. the reason she's doing this is, one, i think because they very much want to stay relevant and want to stay in the headlines. in the bigger picture, they want to paint a picture of a woman who is a victim, something nefarious going on with either donald trump or some of his associates, that is sort of the image she would like to paint as this lawsuit is sort of going on a parallel track. >> that's what i was going to x how does this man, this sketch, how does this -- how is this key to the puzzle that we were looking at. >> we heard from michael avenatti on and off over the course of the past few weeks playing coy. he was set to release this image earlier and he stated kind of somewhat coyly on the network news stations that he had been asked and he couldn't say -- to hold off on it. he intimated that he's working
with federal investigators in the southern district of new york. then he went on to praise the southern district of new york prosecutors and investigators. >> how does this play then? >> well, certainly it seems like there is more to this story. i think it has keith davidson's fingerprints all over it. i think that's going to be the next guy to go down in this investigation. there is -- prosecutors don't believe in coincidences. the fact that keith davidson was a lawyer for all of these women in the hush money agreements on the other side with michael cohen, that's not a coincidence. i think that's where it is going next. >> the media, what does law enforcement do with this sketch? a sketch, detailed sketch, one that is seven years -- from memory seven years ago and they're putting it out in the public. >> right. this is not a law enforcement sketch, just to be clear. so avenatti and stormy daniels took this on themselves. now, it is not to say that, you know, state investigators and, you know, las vegas, nevada, if you will, would be interested in this. this isn't a federal issue.
this is more of a state criminal issue. >> that's interesting. what else now? >> i think you bringing up keith davidson is really, really key. i remember this is the lawyer who is involved in both the stormy daniels case, and also karen mcdougal and last week we found out he had a role in the elliott broidy case, the republican fund-raiser who -- a woman accused him of impregnating her and she was paid to not speak about this affair. you're starting to see in all of these cases a pattern of behavior and potential pattern of certain people being involved in all of these issues. whether it is michael cohen, whether it is keith davidson, and so you start to wonder, people that are close to donald trump, for how many years were they sort of regularly involved in this practice of trying to keep certain people quiet about information that they would find not flattering or not helpful either to their political careers or their public lives. >> so stormy daniels speaking out there, releasing this long awaited sketch now.
$100,000 for any information that would lead to the identification of the man in that sketch. don't you think for one second this is the end of it. we'll be right back. coming up, fired fbi director james comey's in book is out, and coming up with me, we'll talk to the man who could have replaced james comey at the top of the fbi, former senator joe lieberman. we'll be right back.
liar and that he should go to jail. comey fired back this morning. >> that is not normal. that is not okay. first of all, he's just making stuff up, but most importantly, the president of the united states is is calling for the imprisonment of a private citizen as he's done for a whole lot of people who criticize him. that is not acceptable in this country. >> here with me now, former independent senator from connecticut, joe lieberman, and chairman of no labels. thank you for being here. >> thank you very much is. >> with all this playing out, everybody will remember you were on the short list to replace james comey at the fbi. you took yourself out for concerns over conflicts of interest. you see this playing out between james comey and the president of the united states, and you think what? >> i think that this is yet another example of two things. one is the way in which everything in washington today is partisan. also that political campaigns
never seem to end. i don't know james comey personally. i know people who i have high regard for who know him well, and they think well of him. i think he was trying to do the right thing every time he entered the campaign, really, by reporting what he had found. but i think one of the great lessons of this is that as the fbi director chief investigator, if you will, for federal law in the country, nonpartisan office. no matter how nonpartisan you are, no matter how much you think you're doing something to protect the integrity of the fbi, once you step into the political arena, wow. you're going to be politicized. and his two reports on hillary clinton, or three, in a way, were and now it continues. in american history, campaigns have always been spirited. but for most of the our history
after the campaign, the politicians actually stop campaigning and try to get something done for the country. that doesn't happen anymore. >> the brand you're talking about, getting past partisan politics, that makes me wonder when it comes to this, where we are right now, do you think we'll ever get to the truth? >> in this case, you know, i think there is a good chance that there is a process set up here that can get us to the truth. by that i mean the special counsel mueller. some of his work may end up in court. we still believe in the independence of the judiciary in america. that will get to the truth. people will be able to defend maybe he will be able to submit a report to congress. congress will have to decide what to do about it. if it implicates the president, the president will be able to defend himself. but you know what the problem is? where our system is today, nobody is going to accept the
end result unless it's from, for instance, the supreme court. and even then there will be political partisan argument over it. >> as you watch this, any regrets not staying in and taking the job to be director of the fbi thif the president had offered? any regrets pulling out? >> not at all. i had a sense of duty when he asked me, and after extended conversation with my wife, i was going to do it. but there was a conflict of interest when the lawyer who founded the firm i'm with was asked by the president to defend him in the mueller investigation. i'm very happy with my life right now. >> even more happy now as you've seen how things have played out since? >> how everything in life is relative, and it's good to be out here rather than in there where i was for 40 years. >> on syria, nikki haley says more is coming. the white house undercut her
immediately. what do you think of there? >> there are several occasions in the last year and a half, almost, with ambassador haley, she's gone out and said something early, and it appears it was cleared by the white house. and then the president agreed with her. they seem to have an agreement on policy. i like the way she's handled herself at the united nations. something happened here. i don't know whether there was a change of mind at the top from the president or maybe there was a confusing signal to her. personally, i wish we had -- we were applying tougher sanctions on the russians because they're acting in a very bad way. >> senator, can i ask you, senator mccain's office announced that he is recovering now from the surgery, and of course he continues also to battle and fight brain cancer. he is a dear friend of yours. how is he doing and what is it like without him there? >> being a friend of john mccain
is one of the great blessings of my life, honestly. we talk about once or twice a week. i was out there a month ago in arizona to see him. i'm going out this weekend. you know, the actual cancer treatment is succeeding, as i understand it, from the doctors. he's hurting now from the treatment in other parts of his body. but he's got the best care in the world. he's a tremendous fighter, and the senate misses him. his voice is needed now more than ever. fortunately, he's still able to put out a statement every now and then. that to me is a statement of truth. god bless him. >> please send him our best when you see him. >> will do. >> thank you, senator. coming up for us, we have new developments in the stunning legal connections we're watching play out between the investigations engulfing the president and fox news. stay with cnn. if you've been diagnosed with cancer,
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