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politics associated with our national security. >> senator todd young, thank you very much. we appreciate getting your perspective on all of this. >> thanks so much for having me. >> thanks to our international viewers for watching. for you "cnn good morning. welcome to your "new day." president trump facing a crucial week of diplomacy. the president and the first lady are going to host their first state dinner. you've got french president emmanuel macron is here. the fate of the iran nuclear deal which looms largergiven the hopeful negotiations with north korea and the issue of troops in syria. france wants the u.s. to stick. trump had said he wants to get out. so there's a lot on the table. meanwhile, president trump claims in a tweet that north korea has agreed to denuclearize, but that's not what they announced. the president's focus on twitter, which is our lens, of
course, into what he's thinking about this weekend at least was on settling scores. he lashed out at his critics in more than 2 dozen tweets the president defended his personal attorney who is under criminal investigation. he slammed the mueller probe and james comey's leaked memos. let's begin with cnn's caitlyn collins who is live at the white house. yes, it was a busy twitter weekend. caitlyn? >> one of the busiest that we've seen in recent weeks. the president sent 20 tweets. dozens of tweets was to his long-time attorney michael cohen after "the new york times" reported that the president's legal team is resigned to the fact that facing legal big fees and someone who has a kid, two kids and a wife, that michael cohen could end up cooperating with the federal officials
investigating him. >> reporter: president trump pushing back on reports that his long-time personal attorney michael cohen who is under criminal investigation could turn on him and cooperate with prosecutors. >> he stands out for people in his inner circle and people he knows when he thinks they're being treated unfairly. >> the president accusing "the new york times" and others of going out of their way to destroy his relationship with cohen in the hope that he will flip. trump adding, i don't see michael doing that. president trump also unloading more than two dozen other tweets over the weekend launching a new round of attacks at fired fbi director james comey in a move to discredit special counsel robertmueller's russia investigation. frustration that thepe has gone well beyond what it's intended to be investigations into meddling in the election. >> the president repeatedly declaring the investigation into collusion a witch hunt.
they're questioning the basis of mueller's investigation alleging comey illegally leaked classified information in order to generate a special counsel and that the russia probe was established based on an illegal thi thing. >> i asked him to because i thought that might prompt the appointment of a special counsel. >> reporter: last week the former fbi director told cnn he still thinks it was the right thing to do. >> i was in a position given what i knew to do something useful and important so i did it. >> reporter: they say the department of justice inspector general is looking into comey's handling of the memos. all of this ahead of president trump's suspected summit with north korean dictator kim jong-un. the president writing in part, wow, we haven't given up anything and they've agreed to denuclearization. so great for the world. site closure and no more testing. but while south korea has said
pyongyang is willing to talk about denuclearization, north korean officials have not agreed to that. instead saying they would halt missile testing and close one nuclear facility. this as "the wall street journal" reports that the president will urge north korea to act quickly to dismantle its nuclear arsenal before receiving any relief from u.s. sanctions. michael cohen aren't the onl nd things on the president's plat he's hosting the french president and his wife for the first official state visit. trade and iran will be on the agenda. the many things they have to discuss. they're going to get started with a dinner at mount vernon tonight. that is the home of our first president, george washington. allison and chris. >> thank you, caitlyn. let's bring in john avlon and jeff ri toobin. john, this is a big week. >> yes. >> there are a lot of really
significant international things on the president's plate. he teed up none of that this weekend in any meaningful way. he is all about discrediting criticism of him specifically in the context of the russia probe and michael cohen. 20 something tweets. >> 24. >> 24 sort of unhinged -- my favorite was the out of context complete witch hunt. just -- i mean, it is a -- it is a glimpse into the mind of a president who is not thinking presidentially in terms of the responsibility of the office, in terms of the -- you know, the big week ahead with french president macron, north korea. really high stakes stuff but while melania was off with the ex-president's club, seemingly much happier than ever, donald trump was at mar-a-lago firing off angry, unhinged tweets that really -- the contrast to that is so stark but that's the reality of interior life of this president. >> there is -- james comey has a problem with these memos that he
gave to daniel richmond, the professor at columbia. the idea that he gave these memos which were not marked classified but may well have included classified information -- >> he redacted some information. he was aware that something could be sensitive. >> correct, but, you know, there is a karma aspect to all of this because, you know, hillary clinton got in trouble for the same thing, for not, you know, recognizing that things might be classified even if they're not classified. >> what if the inspector general who's looking into this decides that he did hand over something that was confidential or even highly classified, then what happens? >> well, then there's a question does the inspector general refer it for prosecution the way they have with andrew mccabe and his problems. >> that doesn't mean he necessarily gets prosecuted. >> of course, but, you know, it is no fun to be under criminal investigation even -- now i don't want to jump ahead and say james comey is going to be criminally investigated, but the idea that he turned these memos
over to a private citizen who did not have a security clearance. >> and he admits it. no question about where it came from. he says he did it so that's a big part of the analysis. >> it's a big part of the analysis and it's a problem. i think trump characteristically has found a weakness in an opponent and he's exemployploip. >> he knows he can get comey off his heels. >> he's making an absurdly over large claim to say that the whole mueller investigation is discredited because of this, which of course it isn't. >> right. the specious premise is this is why we have a special counsel misspelled which shows haste. the president with the tweets, he doesn't think, he is he not careful, he's reactionary. we do not have a special counsel because jim comey leaked these memos. >> wasn't it in part that though? >> you have a special counsel because he fired jim comey and rod rosen stein was so
concerned -- >> i get it. even james comey himself said, and i intentionally sent these to a friend hoping it would tryiigger -- >> allison's right. it was part of it. but you're right that the firing not the memos were the reason. >> i have to parse it because the president is making a case that's based on a specious premise. he wants people to think if comey hadn't sent those memos, i would be fine. this tweet is not true. >> the president is going to make any argument he can to try to play the wrap and get the base in play. >> comey made it easy for him by giving the memos and doing this book tour. he made it easy for him because he made himself a political animal, not just someone who does justice. >> book tour aside, he's trying to hold himself to a higher standard than the president but that is not necessarily rewarded.
>> i want to move on to what might happen with him. the president seems to be signaling in various ways that he has the ability to pardon michael cohen. >> he does. >> if michael cohen has received that loud and clear, play this out for me. does that mean if he thinks, okay, i'm safe because the long-time president and man, donald trump that i've served, is going to pardon me, does that mean that starting right now michael cohen can say if robert mueller is saying anything, i plead the fifth, i'm not cooperating. that's what he could do. >> he'll do that anyway. >> he could do that anyway, but he could also -- i mean, his bigger problem at the moment than robert mueller is the southern united states attorney's office. >> with that investigation, can he now say i'm not cooperating at all? >> i'm sure that's what he's saying. any lawyer with a modicum of sense would tell him to say nothing to the investigators, but the train may have left the station. when you get your officer chd li
-- office searched like that, you are on the verge of indictment. if he's indicted does he sit there, go to trial and hope that down the road he gets a pardon or does he flip and plead guilty and agree to testify? i think the real question for cohen now is what does he do if he gets indicted? does he plead guilty or does he go to trial? does he go to trial thinking down the line he'll get a pardon. >> if he pleads guilty he could -- >> he could get a pardon. >> he could get a pardon today. >> i think that's unlikely. legally you certainly could, but the question of going to trial, it's hard to go to trial. and no one is going to let him plead guilty. the u.s. attorney's office is not going to let him plead guilty without a proffer first without him saying what he knows about donald trump, what he knows -- >> it would have to be donald trump. just from the business of prosecuting, not to malign prosecutio prosecutions, but judges and
jurors don't like when you have a deal on a lateral, which is me telling on you. you have to go up the chain. >> our boss is in a lot of trouble. >> i know nothing about him except that he gave me and my family a great opportunity. it is an interesting political question which is, hey, mr. president, if you care so much about michael cohen and this is so unfair, pardon him today. pardon him today. if it's so unbe fair, if it's so clear to you, pardon him today. >> look, i think we all understand the scooter libby pardon was a shot across the bow. if cohen flips, "the new york times" reporting about the resentment, the complicated relationship that exists, that's a problem for the president because he's the keeper of secrets. >> why doesn't he pardon him today? >> he might. >> why not? >> i don't know. is there a problem in that? >> one, one of my favorite statistics is when donald trump
took office his approval rating was 40%. after everything that's happened -- >> still there. >> -- it's exact -- so why would pardon doning michael cohen affect his numbers. >> you know what his rationale is? it's the same one as not talking to robert mueller, i'm not going to do it. michael cohen, this is my guy. i know him. i know what he's done. he's a goodman. he's not like these drug addicts that you are talking to. oh, by the way i care a lot about addiction which is a real problem for the president. >> referring to former staffers. >> you will never help on that issue if you play into the stigma about people who are addicted so -- >> right. >> he's flooded the zone with so much nonsense that he's escaping on that right now, but you could pardon michael cohen today and say it's a witch hunt. i can protect somebody from your witch hunt. i'm doing it today. why doesn't he? what does that say about his true conviction and loyalty to michael cohen if he won't pardon him? >> i won't say that decision
hasn't been made yet. it is an unprecedented act in american history to pardon a crony, one might say. >> this is all unprecedented. >> i understand that. >> you couldn't even have come up with that. >> that's for sure. why doesn't he pardon him? >> why doesn't he? >> because he would get an enormous amount of criticism including from republicans. maybe he doesn't care. >> yeah, i mean, i know you're just playing devil's advocate here, just to be clear, if the president preemptively pardoned michael cohen, you would be very concerned about its implication for the democratic process in the republic, correct? >> correct? >> i'm just asking. i'm just asking. >> he has complete authority to do this. i believe that politicians should be held up to a reflection of their own principles. if you think this is a witch hunt, if you think this is wrong, if you think this is a good man, then pardon him. will you get criticism? sure. since when does he care about that? >> do you think that would be bad for the country? >> i think that it's an exercise
of his power and it would have to be reviewed as such. i think what he did in syria was bad for our democracy. it's a subrogation of congress's duty but it happened and they didn't say anything. why would this be any different? >> it would be very different. >> we'll see. we'll see if he does it. if he really cares about this guy and he really thinks its a a witch hunt, he could fix it like that. >> we'll see if he does it by 9:00 a.m. i feel like it's going to happen in the next hour 45 minutes. stay tuned, jeffrey john, thank you very much. a lot of this is now going to play into the white house messaging this week. can the white house guarantee the american people that special counsel robert mueller will see the probe to its end? there's a lot of yammering on it on the outside. will they make that promise? legislative director mark short next.
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manuel macron to washington. it's his first big state dinner. it matters how it's carried off, how it's planned, what's discussed. that's one of the reasons we're giving so much attention to what happened this weekend. right on the eve of all of these big things we had the president just going off on jim comey, the mueller probe, how all of the media has it wrong, how the media has it unfair. he went at it more than ever in terms of volume. let's discuss the state of play with mark short. assistant to the president of the united states. always good to have you on the show, sir. >> good morning, chris. thanks for having me back. >> good. let's have one quick agreement on one point. you cannot guarantee to the american people that the mueller probe will be seen to its conclusion, is that true? >> chris, how about we phrase the question a different way. how about we look at it as every day there's a different vigil, a prayer vigil on cnn. is today the day that mueller is
going to get fired. we've been doing this for months. the president has no intention of firing robert mueller. the reality is we're frustrated and we feel like we've complied in every possible way with this investigation and it continues to drag on but there are no plans to fire mueller. it's impossible to say what the future is going to hold because you never know how far off it's going to veer as far as the investigation. there are no plans to fire robert mueller. >> i hear you on that. one, you know that the reason that we have to put meat on the bones of the speculation is because the reporting that comes out of the large building behind you right now. that's where it's coming from. it's not coming from our own heads. again, mark, i do believe that there is a meaningful distinction between saying we'll have to see and no. whatever happens, happens. the president has full confidence in his cooperation and in his lack of any culpability so he will not mess with the process. you are leaving open the possibility of messing with the process. >> chris, once again, there are no plans to dismiss robert
mueller, period. >> i know, but that is different than saying and we never would because that's not what this is about. do you understand the distinction. >> there's no way i can sit here and predict what the future holds. >> i believe you. i believe you. i'm just saying in another administration you might well be sitting there saying, look, the guy's going to do what he's going to do and -- >> let's talk about other administrations. other administrations have expressed similar frustrations with special counsels. that's why there was a call to appoint a special counsel during the obama years. we've seen time and time again special counsels have no boundaries and they go way beyond the scope of the initial investigation. it happened in the 1980s when a lot of people, innocent people, were -- >> happened with bill clinton. >> exactly. >> i don't remember him saying this guy's got to go. janet reno appointed the special counsel. >> chris, chris, you're 100% right on that. that is an area where republicans who had once stood against similar counsels decided
during the 1990s for politicization they liked the special counsel. they decided a special counsel initiated for whitewater became an investigation about an intern having sexual relations with the president. the republicans decided they like special counsels. both sides decide when it's in their political favor they like a special counsel. it's nice if there was some consistency in recognizing that the special counsel in its scope often goes way beyond the boundaries which is why they've often argued that it is not appropriate. that's what the role of congress is to investigate and the department of justice. there's plenty of room to do the own investigations. >> maybe it would have stayed there if the president hadn't fired the head of the fbi. >> no, maybe it would have stayed there if the head of the fbi who said he was not a leaker testifies he intentionally leaked documents some of them classified for the purpose of sparking a special investigation. >> that's what he said. jim comey said he tried to push for a special counsel but we
know why rosen stein appointed one and it wasn't because of the memos, it was because the president of the united states made a move on the head of the fbi which spooked rosen stein into thinking that now we have the attorney general had to recuse himself, the president's moving against this. it doesn't look good. we need to appoint a special counsel and rosenstein is your guy. >> you know as well as i do the democrats are arguing comey should have been fired in the obama years. the president fired comey for just cause. there are plenty of opportunities -- >> because of the probe. he said it himself to nbc news. russia on his mind. this russia thing is a hoax. comey's got to go. that's what he said in not so many words. >> russia being a hoax, in the last administration what we did is we allowed russia to inkrad crimea. in this administration we've expelled 60 diplomats. we've put sanctions on the
country. we've decided to engage russia in places like syria and iran. so this administration has stood up against russia. >> it is an unusual mismatch of walk and talk. usually what happens is the white house talks tough about russia but doesn't really do anything. here you're presenting a case that's actually the inverse of that. you did give arms to ukraine. the obama administration would not do that. now i would argue you haven't done anything on the suggestion of crimea but one step at a time. the talk, this president is more gentle about vladimir putin than he is to anyone else that i can think of that he should respect and see as with the american cause. >> we'll accept the rhetorical victory that this administration is walking the walk on russia. thank you. >> you are taking steps that haven't been taken before. you have to give credit to the administration, the president is the head of it. why doesn't he say the types of things he does for other allies,
let alone operators? he doesn't say them about putin. the man aimed missiles in a video at trump's house and he didn't say anything about it. >> what the president said on the campaign is it would be great to partner with russia to defeat isis. it would be great to partner with russia against north korea. those are things the president believes but as you just said, this administration is walking the walk and actually holding russia accountable. >> there's much more that could be done. the sanctions are a great reflection of this. congress passes them, they're almost never on the same page about anything. you guys slow off them. nikki haley goes out and says, we're going to do more because you can't have russia helping a madman kill his own people with chemical weapons. the president says, no, we'll wait for them to do something really bad. what else could be worse? >> i -- i -- i would like to think that this administration has taken very serious actions. i think you accepted. what would be great is if the administration could work with congress and the congress would allow us to have a secretary of
state confirmed to engage. >> good segue. do you think you can get mike pompeo through the committee or do you think you have to wait for mcconnell to engineer a vote on the floor and do you have the votes? >> chris, this has been an incredibly disheartening couple of weeks. in a lot of our private meetings is we know you graduated top of your class at west point, you served honorably in the army. you've done a phenomenal job in the cia but we can't vote for you. >> there's a distinction, right? >> no. the reality is the democrats become behold den to the bernie sandonistas. >> you have a lot of moderate voices, mark. i hear you about each party has a fringe that's getting more and more robust. i don't know that it's fair to lump bernie in there on this particular issue. >> oh, it absolutely is. the e-mails that they've been sending you, look at the pressure. >> i get them all. i'm on your mailing list. i'm a friend of trump.
>> ex-friend on my list. >> you all send me your e-mails and you're very angry at one another. it's serving us well. what i'm asking you is this, when it comes to pompeo, you're right he did very well because he checked so many of the boxes. as secretary of state you know that people are saying it's a different set of job requirements, his being very hawkish. the things that he said about people of a very major religion in this world, that he states an aggression that there are suits in this country as a diplomatic premise. it's a different job. >> chris, each and every one of those alleged comments were there before they voted to confirm the cia director. anyone at the cia will tell you he has done nothing but support all the religions and all the agents of the cia. he's done a great job. the reason for the opposition now has nothing to do with that. the reason for the opposition is the move on.org and bernie sandonistas will go out and tell us something else.
people know that he is a uniquely qualified person to serve as secretary of state. he should get overwhelming votes. >> that's the basis of the resistance, it's different. finishing first at west point is an amazing achievement. it's not a usual one for a secretary of state, right? it speaks to a military background. usually you're trying to keep those things separate. let's see how it goes. let's see if he gets through the committee and on the floor. we will watch it. two quick things for you. the first one is we were talking here on the show and i was saying, if the president believes that this is a witch hunt, what bob mueller is doing, that they're out to get him, now they're targeting his man, michael cohen who's a good man, has done nothing wrong, why doesn't he pardon him right now? >> chris, i would imagine if he did that there would be quite an outcry. >> he has the power. what do you care what we say? >> there's no need. there's no need for that at this point, chris. i think the president, of course, all of us are
frustrated. we're very frustrated with the scope of the investigation and the way it's dragged on. we feel like we've -- >> he hasn't even sat for an interview. that's the most obvious way to cooperate. >> we're anxious for the senate to complete it. the american people are more interested to know that the unemployment rate is the lowest point in 17 years. >> it's been a great continuation of the economy that he inherited, no question about it. talk about politics matters. >> chris, you can't say that. >> absolutely. it's a matter of fact. >> you're at the same range right now. >> you can't say that right now. >> you're at the same range right now. your deficits are way bigger. >> it's averaged 3%. you can't say that. >> you're taking it one little tight space. overall your growth models are the same. they're a continuation of what they were. >> they're not the same. >> you ballooned your deficit in a way that we did not see under obama. even if you look at the numbers coming out of the great recession, still, the way they dealt with the deficit is better
than you guys are right now. very surprising for the gop. >> you're doing a great job of filly bustering. more so than our senators. >> here's a fact. >> the last four quarters the revenues were higher. the reason the did he have knits are going is not because the revenues have decreased. spending has increased. >> yeah. you guys signed onto it. >> you just said -- >> and your tax cut. >> okay. revenues are growing at a higher rate than ever before and the highest number -- >> but you have bigger deficits to offset them. we'll see how it plays out. >> you said is it because of the tax cut. >> the tax cut added to the deficit, no question abo it in a way that nobody in your party would have ever anticipated an administration ago that they'd be signing on to a tax cut like that that had that kind of implication on the deficit. that's where we are. >> it's fascinating to hear that you believe we inherited a great economy. >> i'm telling you what the numbers are. the unemployment rate was very low. >> 1.8% gdp growth over the
entire year. the worst since the great depression. unemployment, more people came on food stamps in the history of our country. 15 million people added on to food stamps. this administration is actually lowering that. lowest unemployment claims in 44 years. >> i'll talk to you about each of those things individually on a different day. you're always welcome here because we both know one of the reasons people are getting off food stamps isn't because they're getting great jobs. they're being pushed off the roles with great new requirements. >> oh, come on. >> we'll talk about that on another day. i want to ask you one more thing. isn't it true that the planning of this first state dinner, melania trump deserves this. she didn't hire outside consultants for this? >> absolutely. she's an incredibly gracious, beautiful first lady. she's done a great job and plans us well. >> even michelle obama when they did their first one, renzi, italian one.
they used an outside consult. i wanted to get that detail nailed down. mark short, you are always welcome to come on the show. >> thank you, sir. allison, white house counselor kellyanne conway had a wild exchange with cnn's dana bash this weekend. how a question about conway's husband took a very weird turn.
so there was this fiery exchange between cnn's dana bash and white house counselor kellyanne conway on cnn's state of the union. dahna asked conway about her husband, a well-known attorney named george conway posting or retweeting messages critical of president trump. here's part of this interview. >> i just want to ask you one question that a lot of people are asking me and probably you too. what is up with your husband's tweets? your husband is a very well respected lawyer and he's been sending tweets critical of the administration. just an example in response to a tweet saying president trump's aides are reluctant to speak for them your husband wrote, so true, it's absurd. >> he writes a lot of things that are supportive and he writes things about philadelphia eagles and sports, too. two things i'll say to you,
number one, again, that woman who lost the election whose name i never say on tv anymore i think she said white women have to listen to the men in their life to form their own political opinions. wrong again, lady. number two, it's fascinating to me that cnn would go there, but it's very good for the whole world to have just witnessed that it's now -- that it's now fair game whapeop's -- how people'spous and significant others may differ with them on i'm really surprised but? some ways relieved and gratif d gratified. that should be fun. >> first of all, i would ask you that if you were a man. >> no, you wouldn't. >> 1,000 percent i would. it's not about that, it's about questioning a -- publicly questioning what you are doing for a living with regard to your boss and it has nothing to do with your gender. >> it has nothing to do with my spouse. >> that's right. i'm just asking. >> oh, no, no, no, you just b t
brought him into this. we're now going to talk about other people's spouses and significant others just because they either work in the white house or at cnn? are we going to do that because you just went there. cnn just went there. >> yes. i'm not -- >> by the way, i'm not being critical. >> yes, it was. it was meant to harass and embarrass. >> absolutely not. >> let me just tell you something, by definition spouses have a difference of opinion. >> i agree. >> by definition spouses have a difference of opinion when one is, i don't know, draining the joint bank account to support things that maybe the other disagrees with so this is a fascinating cross the rubicon moment and i'll leave it at that. >> well, that certainly was not intended to cross any rubicon. it was actually intended to be somewhat lighthearted about the fact that we are all grownups who have different opinions but i'm sorry that you took it -- >> you said, i've got to ask you a question that's on everybody's mind. >> it is. it is. it is. i'm sure you hear it too.
and it is hard to have two adults in this situation like this, but it is unusual -- >> i'm sorry, what does that mean? it's hard for whom? i'm sorry, whom? back it up. who are the two adults, you and your husband? >> now you're talking about my marriage again? >> i'm not talking about your marriage. >> kellyanne, here was my whole point is that you are a professional working for the president of the united states and your husband is a very well-respected lawyer and my point is is that we don't often see, in fact i don't remember the last time we saw somebody working for the president in a high profile position when their spouse is saying critical things about them. that is all. that is all. >> well, that, a, is not true. there are other family members who -- of people who work at the white house who certainly don't support the president privately and publicly, but i will tell you this, and there are people who have been in this administration who worked for democrats or gave money to democrats, but all that aside,
that really is meant to divert attention from, again, the big issues that america cares about. like i said, cnn chose to go there. i think that's going to be fascinating moving forward and don't deny that when you just said it must be difficult. i do want you to clarify for the whole worldwide audience and for me since you raised me. it's, quote, difficult for whom to have two adults -- >> my point only is -- >> difficult for my children who are probably watching you right now? because it's not hard for them -- they've already seen a double standard for their mother for two years. you know that i don't believe that it's about gender. >> it's not about gender. there's been a different standard for me than there have been for other people and we bite our tongue plenty because i work for the people of this country, united states government, the presidency and the president of the united states so there's plenty that i don't say. >> absolutely. >> i'll just give you -- because you went back here because you went there, you are always invited back here. because you went there, i'll give an example because you
asked, andrew mccabe. the president went after andrew mccabe for something his wife did, ran as a democrat and had nothing to do with the president. >> no. the president knew something early that everybody else is now finding out. the president's excellent instincts. >> he didn't say that. he talked about his wife. >> he knew that andrew mccabe could not be trusted and look what happened just this week. andrew mccabe has admitted he lied four times, at least three under oath, criminal referral because he lied about leaking to the media. this is the number two at the fbi. this should have everybody concerned. everybody should go back and look at what the fbi was doing and not doing while comey and mccabe was in charge of it. they ought thought, if not wanted, wanted the other person to win the election. that's so colored and politic e politicized so much of their actions and inactions. >> as you know, as you mentioned, the inspector general is looking into andrew mccabe. thank you very much.
>> thank you, dahna. >> thank you, kellyanne. appreciate it. >> what was that? let's discuss with margaret hoover and kiersten powers. margaret, i'm feeling like the question about kellyanne's husband struck a nerve with her. what happened there? >> well, i can understand why it struck a nerve because i happen to be a person who has a spouse that has a different perspective than -- >> in the public eye? >> in the public eye, has his own public views that often are starkly different from my own. >> yeah? >> i don't answer for his political views. >> okay. >> nor should i have to. i truly don't think any person who is married, whether they're in political life or not, should have to answer for the political opinions of their spouse. >> okay. let me stop you there, right there, because she was saying this only happens to me. kellyanne was acting as though we would never ask anybody else. i like to play the game if this
were president obama, okay? if david axlerod's wife when president obama was in the white house was tweeting that president obama's policies were absurd and flab ber gasting, wouldn't we have asked david axlerod about that? >> here's how i would prefer to hear the question raised. i would prefer to see the question, kellyanne, does it put you in a difficult position when your husband tweets against the president of the united states, your boss? >> i think that is what dana said. >> no, then kellyanne's asking a question about herself rather than what her husband is doing. she's answering for her husband's choices and political views. there's a distinction. i am not my husband's keeper. i love him, he's the father of my children. >> what's going on where your husband seems to be undermining the policies that you're fighting for in the white house. >> different perspectives,
different points of view. >> kiersten, what do you think? >> i seem to remember republicans always talking about bill clinton during hillary clinton's election so i don't understand this idea that nobody ever talks about what the spouses do. i think your example is a good one of david axlerod, but it's not even the same thing because kellyanne conway's husband is a major player in republican politics. so it's not just some spouse that has some opinions, it's somebody who's very influential. so it is interesting to people. to me, it looked like dahna was being very lighthearted. it was very lighthearted. the idea that whatever -- i think anybody who's ever met her, i think viewers can tell by watching her, she's literally the nicest person you would meet. she is not nasty or would not try and harass someone and kellyanne knows that. >> yeah. >> even if she didn't ask the question perfectly, you know, there's a mature adult way to respond to that and that's not what kellyanne did. >> just so that everybody knows, let me just put up what we're
talking about. george conway's tweets. so he himself has tweeted calling some of the president's policies absurd and then he called one flabber gasting in terms of patchrdoning his top aides. then he retweets things from trump's sworn enemies from chuck todd and maggie haberman. george conway retweets. so i see -- margaret, i hear you but i think it's a valid question. >> look, they have different political perspectives. we know he doesn't like the president. he also was denied the job supposedly was up for a very high job at the justice department and didn't get it because of his political views. i mean, that is okay. it's okay for spouses to have different political perspecti s perspectives. again, of course dahna didn't mean it to embarrass. clearly it did embarrass
kellyanne. i think the response kellyanne gave demonstrated and illustrated how uncomfortable it made her feel. again, i think spouses can have different perspectives and it shouldn't be on the wife, which it often is on the wife, to explain away her husband's political -- i identify with that comment. >> i understand and i appreciate you're pointing out this perspective. i think that's really helpful. let's just remember for one second that it is also president trump who has gone after ted cruz's wife, andrew mccabe's wife. >> yeah. >> so kellyanne conway saying you never go after the spouse, tell your boss. >> kellyanne clearly hit a nerve. i don't think kellyanne fought fair there. i thought it was really -- it was a little ugly the way reshe sponded to dahna. she was trying three different lines of attack. the better response would be my husband and i have different perspectives at politics and we're going to leave it at that. what do you think of that? >> sorry. >> i don't think there's anything wrong with the
question. i think that people get asked these kind of questions all the time. i think i -- you know, i have a fiance who's also in the public life who's on -- you know, writes for the "new york times" and is on twitter. if somebody asked me something about what he said, i'd say, we have different opinions. i don't understand. what's so offensive about this. >> yeah. >> you know, that she immediately goes to that she's under attack and starts making these weird threats. >> counter attack. >> how bizarre. >> she wasn't -- >> so you think dahna attacked her? you think she was counter attacking her? >> no, i was agreeing with you. i think kellyanne almost counter attacked dahna. >> i don't think there was an attack. i think it was done in a lighthearted way and she could have said, yeah, we have different opinions, let's move on. instead they used it as an opportunities at this to go on a vicious attack sort of saying -- i couldn't really follow but somehow suggesting that she's going to start talking about spouses of people at cnn. it was completely out of control
and just -- it just didn't make any sense except for the fact that it touched a nerve and/or she's using it as an opportunity to impress her boss because she can be really nasty to cnn. >> all right. kiersten powers, margaret hooper, thank you both very much for the conversation. always great to see you guys. >> chris. all right. we have another media story with a much more grave angle to it. a russian investigative journalist dies after falling from a fifth floor balcony. what are the questions next. pizza-ordering fee and the dog-sitting fee. are those my heels? with t-mobile taxes and fees are already included, so you get four unlimited lines for just $40 bucks each.
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what do you make of this? 24 death of a russian investigative reporter remains a mystery more than a week after he plunged from the fifth floor balcony of his apartment. russian officials say there are no grounds to open a criminal probe into his death. the reporters' colleagues and human rights groups are calling for one. nic robertson has more. >> reporter: 1,000 miles and more east of moscow still semi slumped in its soviet past. among so many other drab hum drum apartments of that era this balcony. it seems unremarkable yet it is not. in the early hours of april 12 this year a young up and coming investigative reporter tipped over the balcony and fell. his neighbors found his body here crumpled in the street.
his death is a mystery. in life he excelled at fun. at work his intrepid investigative streak brought him acclaim and enemies. one interview earning him a bang on the head by a thug wielding a metal bar. but it was his recent reporting on russian militaries fighting in syria that really got him national attention. police say they don't see foul play but the night before his fall he called a friend telling him his apartment was surrounded by security officials wearing camouflage asking him to call a lawyer. shortly after telling the friend who posted the details to facebook it was a false alarm.
none of his neighbors here want to talk about what happened and it is impossible to know precisely what took place that night. broken twigs on the tree makes mud splattered on the wall directly below his balcony. at the news agency where he worked his colleagues are still struggling to fathom their loss. >> he was a great journalist. his investigations, stories, interviews always make a big splash among the audience. >> reporter: another of his friends who despite his own difficulties wants us to understand he had so much to live for, not the suicidal type. a spokesman tells us that his apartment was locked from the inside, a fact that he says
indicates no one left the apartment. most likely he says there were no strangers in there. >> the closer you look here the less the facts seem to add up and the harder it seems to grasp the truth. new day strange things have been happening. they say their internet traffic from search engines has nose dived in the past few days. >> translator: according to our sources this is obviously not verified but they are saying it was a targeted action on someone's order. >> reporter: of all of his reporting the most sensitive story about russian merceries in syria goes to the top. they work for a company linked to oligarch who denies ties. cautions his boss his death may just be a tragic accident.
>> translator: this is a journalist's job to uncover things that others would like to hide. that doesn't mean he had enemies who wanted to kill him. >> reporter: it feels not for the first time a chill is falling across russia's reporters. two other friends of his who said they were speechless turned down our interview requests at the last minute seemed they were afraid. until now the police have not been to talk to neighbors to ask what they saw that night neither has there been an investigation of the place where he fell to the ground. >> investigative journalism is a dangerous business in russia and elsewhere. the president getting set for this week with major international implications. we look at all of that next. mom and dad got a new car... with the extra third row of seats. they think it's theirs. look at them, they have no idea! it's not theirs.
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♪ otezla. show more of you. welcome to your new day. president trump is facing a critical week of diplomacy. in hours the president and first lady will welcome french president to the white house, the first official state visit of mr. trump's presidency. there is a lot on the agenda. the future of u.s. troops in syria and the rapidly evolving talks with north korea.