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and it looks like it could happen. when i began, people were saying that was an impossibility. they said that there were two alternatives, let them have what they have or go to war. and now we have a much better alternative than anybody thought even possible. >> that was president trump there olympians at the white house. thanks for joining me. at this hour with kate bolduan starts now. hello, everyone. breaking news this morning, i am a lawyer and i am an informant. the shocking declaration from the russian lawyer who was at the center of the infamous trump tower meeting with donald trump's son, his son-in-law and campaign chairman. the "times" is reports that veselnitskaya admitted for the first time what had long been believed, that her ties to top russian government officials
were much closer than she let on. and the other breaking news, the house intelligence committee has released a redacted version of the republican's report on the month long russia investigation, their conclusion, no collusion. let's get to it all. the major report from the "new york times" first off, we'll speak to one of the reporters. but first let's get to evan perez joining me. what do you see in this? >> well, this report really confirms what we've all thought about natalia veselitskaya's denials. she has denied any link to the kremlin and to the russian government ever since the story broke. and now we see essentially their e-mails that have been released by a critic of the kremlin showing that she was in close contact with the chief prosecutor there in moscow. she now also has provided an interview to nbc in which for the first time she is saying those words that you just said, which is i am a lawyer and i am an informant. and of course this changes everything simply because until now, she's been denying that she
had any coordination. we previously had seen an additional document that appeared to show talking points that she brought to that trump tower meeting appearing to show exactly those same talking points being used by the top russian prosecutor. of course to step back a little bit, veselnitskaya arrived at that june 2016 trump tower meeting after donald trump jr. had been sent an e-mail in which he had been promised dirt on hillary clinton's campaign. she was the one who was supposed to bring that dirt. in the end obviously she didn't provide anything. but just the fact that members of the trump campaign, including his campaign chairman, paul manafort, jared kushner his son-in-law, attended this meeting thinking that this is what they were going to get, obviously has been at the center of the controversy and the investigation by robert mueller the special counsel. >> absolutely. all right. evan will stick around, he will join us in a second. but let's get to the other big russian news. the house intelligence committee releasing the republican report on the russia investigation.
manu raju is on capitol hill with much more on this for us. so what does the report say? >> this is a 253 heavily redacted report that comes after the summary of the conclusions were released earlier this year. the republicans had drafted this report and it was approved along party lines. no democrats supported it. but what it does conclude is that there was no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russia. now, what they do say in here is that they take issue with some of the things that the campaign did during the campaign even if they found no evidence of collusion. they say while the committee found no evidence of the trump camp conspired with the russian government, they did find poor judgment and, quote, ill considered actions by the trump and clinton campaigns. one instance referring to that meeting that natalia veselitskaya attended in june 2016 with donald trump jr. they say that they believe that
there was nothing nefarious that ultimately occurred in that meeting, but they do note that natalia veselitskaya was, quote, russian government lawyer and that this was at least an effort initially to get trump dirt -- dirt on the clinton campaign for the trump campaign. and they also criticized the trump campaign's, quote, periodic praise for and communications with wikileaks, which of course released those clinton campaign e-mails. but also they went after very closely at the clinton campaign and it drit siit criticized the campaign for using a series of cutouts and intermediaries to obscure their roles paid for by opposition research on the trump campaign from russian sources. and that is in reference to that steele dossier democr ieier com christopher steele. but ultimately they say no evidence of collusion. >> and you say this was heavily
redacted. what are the chances that more of this report could be declassified and more of it be seen? >> it is really unclear. members on both sides of the aisle are frustrated, they want more of this information released publicly. they have to fight with the intelligence community ultimately to do that. but we'll see if they ultimately agree to do so. >> thanks so much to bringing that to us. joining me to discuss this, defense attorney specializing in white collar crime, cnnle for tick politics reporter and evan perez is back with us as well. let's talk about the "new york times" report and the interview with natalia veselitskaya. we know that the trump tower meeting in 2016 is a focus of robert mueller's investigation. robert mueller sees this interview and thinks what? >> well, absolutely i think the
fact is that robert mueller likely had this information before we did. but you talk about a larger collusion investigation. it obviously has ties to that, but overall in the obstruction of justice piece, i think that is an interesting element here too because it goes to president trump's state of mind. remember, he is the one that dictated that misleading memorandum about don jr.'s meeting. remember russian adoption issues.extremely misleading. so what was his state of mind when he dictated that now infamous memo? so i think now the question that we all have on ask ourselves is did he know that miss natalia veselitskaya did have ties to the russian government which is in direct contradiction to her testimony before the senate judiciary committee. so there are a lot of legal questions that still need to be sorted out here about that. >> and chris, the house intelligence report, the president tweeted about it basically pointing to that as reason that the mueller investigation should now end. is this rhetorical or do you
think there is a real threat? >> well, it's always hard to know with donald trump. >> that's why i ask you. >> i think it is difficult to assume -- look, we knew what was in this intelligence committee report. we're seeing a redacted version, but they let us know about the findings that there was no collusion, that they were not convinced that russia was working to hurt hillary clinton and help donald trump. we knew about that earlier. he is seizing on this as evidence that this is somehow exonerating him. there is still an ongoing senate investigation, obviously the special counsel investigation. i would remind people that this tweet by trump comes less than 24 hours after that fog and friends interview when no less than three separate times does donald trump say something, i'm paraphra paraphrase, but something along the lines of i haven't gotten involved with the fbi and justice department yet, but if they don't course correct, i will. now, that was a little vague, but you take that combine it
with this tweet, and it certainly seems like a threat. >> that is why i ask you, my friend. and on this report from the "new york times" and nbc news, there is more to this interview that we don't know what more will come out. but when she says i am a lawyer and i'm an informant, do we directly -- i mean is the assumption then that even if the trump campaign didn't know it going in, she was going in something of a fishing expedition on part of the russian government? >> that's right. i think what we know from the way the russians operate and certainly the russian intelligence is services and their security services is that they rely on people like veselnitskaya, businesspeople, to provide information. this is something that the fbi has kept an eye on and it makes it difficult for you to try to keep track as to who is a russian agent. i guess these people don't wear name tags, they don't show up at the airport saying i'm here on a
mission from the russian government. instead they come for other purposes. and then they do the bidding and they do collect information and provide information to the russian government. that is exactly how it works. and so this is why we've heard repeatedly from members of congress like lindsey graham and so on who have said that when you got this inquiry from someone saying that they wanted to provide information from the russian government, that they wanted to provide dirt on your rival campaign, the right thing to do is to call the fbi. it is not to take that meetingg see what you can give us. so that is the reason why this is such a controversy and why this is still part of an investigation. because remember, even if they didn't get any dirt on hillary clinton from the russians, even if they got nothing, the fact that they took this meeting believing that they were still could be part of a criminal case. >> remember the e-mail, love it?
caroli caroline, now that she is speaking out, this russian lawyer, this puts the focus directly back on as you mentioned what happened afterwards with the crafting of the statement after it, but also the simple question of was there coordination between the trump campaign and the russian government. if the trump tower meeting was just one meeting, is that enough to claim conspiracy? >> it definitely could be. the question is whether or not there was quid proceed compa qu. she had been identified in the e-mails as a government lawyer. so they knew going in there -- >> i guess maybe the reason it is so surprising is hearing her say -- and we also must say, we don't know if she's saying i was an informant on this exact piece. she says i'm an attorney and i'm an informant. i guess she could try to say i'm sometimes, but this one i was acting independently. i don't know. >> which is again what she said to the senate judiciary committee that she was acting in an independent capacity again about the roll backs of russian
sanctions and russian adoptions. >> but do you believe it? >> no, i don't believe it as a quick answer. but the question goes to the quid pro quo arrangement, whether or not this was going to be a back and forth in terms of getting dirt on hillary clinton for the campaign to be used in the campaign. and i think robert mueller will look at this. again, there doesn't have to be underlying collusion to charge obstruction of justice. so that is an interesting piece here. even if we're hearing reports that maybe there was no collusion, that could still get you to an obstruction charge. >> and this is another unanswerable and one of the questions that we need to ask is the timing of all of it. sitting down for an interview now. this coming out now. i find that fascinating. kafrl li caroline, chris, evan, appreciate it. coming up, the historic agreement that could bring a peace to one of the most volatile regions in the world. north and south korean leaders agreeing to declare the end of the korean war, but will their
words become reality? and does donald trump deserve the credit? plus, no prescription, no problem apparently. a new cnn report on the white house medical unit uncovers new allegations of misconduct just one day after white house doctor ronny jackson bowed out of his bid to join the trump cabinets. .
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together we'll make the right choice. a new history begins now. the words of north korean dictator kim jung-un as he and the president of south korea made history today in both substance and symbolism. kim became the first north korean dictator to touch south korean soil since the divided b. now about to formally end that con conflict. and they also pledged to limit nuclear weapons but offered no details and of course they matter very much.
this morning president trump both celebrated and voiced caution about all
of this. in a tweet saying after a furious year of missile launches and nuclear testing, a historic meeting is now taking place. good things are happening, but only time will tell. let's get over to the white house for the very latest. indicate caitlin collins is there for us. >> reporter: and it is a lot of cautious optimism coming from the president today. he's been tweeting about it this morning as you showed saying that this is a success, not to forget that china played a role in this as with he wilell and t president welcomed olympic athletes for a celebration and he talked about this a little bit tying it into the olympics saying that hopefully these athletes will be able to go to north korea and compete one day if there are no nuclear weapons there and saying this about a potential summit between him and the north korean dictates tore. >> i want to sxre express my ho
that all of the people of north korea and south can live in harmony, prosperity and peace. it looks like it could happen. they said that there were two alternatives, let them have what they have or go to war. and now we have a much better alternative than anybody thought even possible. >> reporter: so there he is expressing optimism about his potential face-to-face with kim jung-un. but this isn't the only diplomacy that is being focused on today. more immediately the german chancellor angela merkel is coming to the white house, she will be here for roughly three hours to meet with the president. that is in very stark contrast to the french president's arrival where he had three days of meetings with the president. this one is likely to be ever less chummy, no white hats, no hand holding. but they will be focusing on the same issues. of course merkel will want to talk about the steel and
aluminum tariffs and also the iran deal. she wants the president to keep the united states in that deal. so that is what she will be working on. but of course it will be very different than the very friendly visit he had with the french president. >> and what we just heard from the president, very different donald trump than we normally see. very measured statement in his reaction to the historic agreement between north and south korea. thanks so much. a lot to discuss now. with me is cnn national security analyst who served under president bush and obama. thanks for coming in. >> great to be here. >> in your view, which worked better here, economic sanctions or fire and fury coming from president trump? >> well, i think the summit is a manifestation of a couple of dynamics. i do thinks sanctions did play a role and so that is really important. the second piece is personal diplomacy going on by moon jae-in. and i think that is really important. i think if anyone will deserve credit for this summit, it is
credit to the south korean president. but as much as this is a very positive development, i think the key is obviously going to be the follow-through, devil in the details. we've been here before a couple times. and i think that the challenge is that this really possum mii summit has set an expectation made may be too high. so i worry that if it doesn't follow through and it doesn't work, then you have nowhere to go. >> that is of course a huge question that is hanging out there. but on who deserves credit because everyone likes to claim credit, you put it so the south koreans, but even going into this meeting, the south korean foreign minister said donald trump deserves at this some credit. do you give it to him? >> certainly. whether or not the fire and fury
xhen xhentd comments or the sanctions, certainly it had an impact. also the north koreans have an agenda and kim jung-un has also done a lot, he is the one driving and setting the frame for these discussions. and i think it is real peril for the united states, his objective is to plsplit the united states and south korea. so as we look ahead to the next zim summ summit, it will be important to have a clear set of understandings going into that. >> and there is a reason for concern. kelly, thanks. coming up, we'll get back to the revelation in the russia investigation. the russian lawyer at the center of that infamous trump tower meeting reportedlied a miry adm ties to russia were much closer than she had let on and even testified before a house committee about. we'll speak to a reporter who broke the story next.
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we're continuing to follow breaking news. the "new york times" reporting the russian lawyer who attended that infamous meeting at trump tower during the campaign, this is is a meeting with donald trump's son, son-in-law and campaign chairman, that happened on the pretense of offering up dirt from the russian government on hillary clinton, well, that lawyer has closer ties to the russian government than she has let on. this is coming out in e-mails and now in an interview with nbc news. one of the reporters behind the report is sharon. and thanks so much for coming in. >> thank you for having me about that. >> so you can tell me exactly what you all found? >> well, what happened was that the justice department asked russian prosecutor general for help in giving them evidence against russian businessmen who have been charged in a civil
fraud case in new york. and the prosecutor general in russia turned around and sent the message to natalia veselitskaya who was the defense attorney in the case and who was the lawyer who showed up at trump tower. so together the two of them worked hand-in-hand to basically frustrate the justice department's request and what it shows is that she is really not just an echbd beingnd actor but in this instance was acting as an extension of the russian government. >> and it is not just what she's been saying to reporters. it's what she said in a statement to a senate committee about her relationship. she said that acts independently and has no relationship with this person. >> that's correct. and she said that in november and one of the former prosecutors in this case said
that her activities and this kind of back channel that she had with the russian prosecutor general was actually utterly outrageous and that she should be investigated for misrepresenting herself in an american court and possibly for obstruction of justice. and if you remember, the intermediary who set up that trump tower meeting described her as a government lawyer, an emissary of the russian prosecutor general and she denied that, she said that she was only a private attorney acting -- representing herself and no one else. >> did you have a chance to speak with her, what is she saying about the e-mails that have surfaced? >> no, she wouldn't speak to us. but nbc news reporter caught up with her in moscow and she kind of blurted out it seems that she
had a dual role with the russian prosecutor general. she was an attorney, but she was also an informant. and the word she used in russian can actually only be translated as informant. so she is a source of the information for the russian government. >> at least one thing is not lost in translation. so could she be both things, have the close ties to this top kremlin official and also be working completely independently of the kremlin when this meeting happened? >> i'm sorry, i didn't catch that. >> i was just saying of course the question out of all of this is now that the relationship is proven and she said this to nbc news, it begs the question, can she be both things, can she have these close ties to the kremlin official but also be working completely independently when the 2016 meeting happened? >> i mean, i guess it is possible. but then how do you explain the e-mail that described her as a
government attorney. i mean, it is all very suspicious, who she really is. >> what do you think of veselnitskaya going public with this now? i mean, from what i hear from richard engel, it was a contentious interview when he caught up with her. what do you think of the fact that she is speaking out about this now? >> well, i mean she didn't actually have any choice because according to her, her e-mail accounts were hacked and we and nbc got copies of those e-mails and they show that a long series of exchanges between her and the russian prosecutor general's office about how to respond to the u.s. government's request. and by the way, we have a treaty, mutual legal assistance treaty, which we are supposed to help russian with their law enforcement cases and they are supposed to help us. and it is supposed to be strictly confidential. that is like having, you know, in our system like having a defense attorney come and sit in
on our secret grand jury proceedings. >> just amazing. this is an important report that came out to prove what was long suspected but to see hard proof of it is an important moment here. sharon, thanks so much for coming in. >> thank you for having me. any moment now, angela merkel will be arriving at the white house as the president caps off a week of diplomacy. what is at stake in these meetings, what does it means a straight talk comes just on the heels of the charm offensive from emmanuel macron. we're standing by for that. plus stunning new allegations about prescription drugs and the white house medical team. the cnn exclusive is next. onase. it relieves all your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist.
some stunning new allegations this morning about prescription drugs and the white house medical team. this as the team still headed up by dr. ronny jackson who's alleged bad behavior cost him secretary of veteran affairs. and now new details are coming out on the culture inside the white house medical unit that he leads. mj lee is in washington with this reporting. what are you picking up? >> reporter: well, these are troubling details about the white house medical unit. this is the clinic at the white house run by ronny jackson as you said who is also trump's doctor. now, five former and current employees who have worked for jackson at the medical unit tell me and m come my colleague that is a grab and go culture when it comes to medication.
they could get drugs woit beiit being examined by a doctor first. they could casually pick up ambien for themselves or even their children and sometimes we're told prescriptions were written for someone other than the person that the medication was for. and these practices we're told were all endorsed by jackson himself and the folks who spoke with us said that there was sometimes a scramble to account for missing medication. we did reach out to ronny jackson, and he did not respond. but when jackson withdrew his nomination for v.a. secretary yesterday, remember he said that the allegations made against him were completely fauls an fa fa n fabricated. >> you can tell me more about the culture of medicine being handed out casually, what kind of drugs and also what the white house is saying? >> reporter: yeah, let me mention two examples here. one we're told that one well-known obama official was leaving the administration and he went to the medical unit to
get some proceed vigila provigi. the person was given around 20 pills and that it was treated as kind of a parting gift for that official. and a second example is that one obama white house staffer went into the clinic and demanded that he needed z-paks for himself and his wife. z-pak is a strong antibiotic. and one of the doctors reject that had request and said that you need to first get an exam because there are serious cardiac issues that can come from taking this antibiotic and that white house staffer got frustrated and responded dr. jackson said i can just pick it up and don't need to be seen. now, they were eventually handed the medicine without an exam. so these allegations date back to at least the obama administration and some are saying that they continued into the trump administration as well. >> so now what is the white house saying about this? >> reporter: the white house is not responding to a request for comment. and just on the issue of whether jack are son can stay in his current job because i think that
is a very important discussion for us to have, you know, we heard trump say good things about jackson the past few days. even when jackson was really under fire. so we'll see what happens. but obviously these headlines about jackson are very troubling. >> not getting better for him for sure. mj, thank you so much. coming up for us, speaking of drugs, it is the drug that could fight the opoid crisis. but will the trump administration go for it? dr. sanjay gupta with a personal appeal to the attorney general. but first this week's cnn hero is an e.r. doctor in brooklyn who was frustrated by the amount of young kids that were hurt and killed in street violence. so he views it as a public health problem and formed a nonprofit for at-risk students. >> i don't like pronouncing people dead. it is probably the worst thing that i've ever had to do. i want to preserve life. when i see patients that are
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all of this. what has happened? >> reporter: that's right. a lot of questions being asked of the speaker this morning from members of his own party. republicans asking the house speaker at a closed door meeting this morning exactly why the house chaplain was fired and the reasons where he did so. the house speaker this morning according to sources in the room, they tell me that the house speaker defended his move, he said that it was not a political issue. he laid out the reasons why he gave insights as to why he did, saying that many members came to him and had expressed specific concerns that they felt that they were not getting proper counsel from the house chaplain. peter king of new york says that is an unsatisfactory answer, leaving that meeting he tells me and a few other reporters that this is such an unprecedented action to be taken, it should have been a very, very serious issue. and peter king said, look, we still want to know exactly why.
because he says and other members tell me that they haven't heard these concerns expressed either. and we've heard in recent days from democrats reacting to his firing wanting to know more, but it is very clear this morning coming out of that meeting that republicans want to know more as well. >> and just for everyone -- so everyone knows, the house chaplain serves all members. he is the pastor to all members of the house and has the key duty of saying the prayer at the open of every session of the house of representatives. so he is involved and can get very close with many of these members. so this is obviously a very big issue for members of both democratic and republican party. seem like it is more to come. >> absolutely. and as you know thenoknow from capitol hill, any give this prayer every morning, but behind closed door, they do have a relationship with members. they are to provide counsel to the members and some people saying that they were unsatisfied, other members
saying they have never heard those concerns. so quite clearly a lot of questions yet to be answered about this. >> sunlen, thanks for bringing to us. and let's turn to this, dr. sanjay gupta thinks medical marijuana could be the answer to the opoid crisis. about five years ago, dr. gupta began reporting on the drug in his award winning series "weed." the newest installment is this sunday and he meets a former nfl player who says marijuana saved his life. ♪ >> every morning this former nfl lineman cal turley begins his day with a cup of coffee and a few hits of something he calls a necessary medicine -- marijuana. before pot, he used pills. lots of pills. >> since '96 when i blew my knee
out, there was a painkiller, muscle relaxer, sleep aid, anti-inflammatory. those four are staples in an athlete's regimen of medicine. >> it is the opoid, the painkiller that i think people are really coming to terms with. >> yeah, because it is very easy for those to go from one to two to three. >> to more than a dozen a day. it became a near deadly addiction. >> i was completely hopeless. the side effects are very real. suicide, rage in my family. all these things. >> reporter: and range raging o football field. >> he throws the helmet. >> everybody talks about marijuana as this gateway drug and reality is this was my gateway to drugs. >> football was. >> yeah. >> earlier i spoke with sanjay about his new view of marijuana
medical and his view to try to get jeff sessions to legalize it. i cannot wait to see the rest of this special after what the clips that i've seen. >> thank you. we've spent a fair amount of time on it. i learned a lot going into this. you walk into these things eyes wide open and it is really eye opening. >> marijuana is working for cal turley. how is it working for him? >> it is so fascinating. so first of all, you saw all those pill bottles. he was on opoids, muscle relaxants, all these different medications. he is on none of that now. he's been able to get off all of those using cannabis. there are three main things that i think are happening. one is that there is good evidence and there is now consensus that cannabis can treat pain. so instead of opoids that treat the underlying pain, you can use cannabis. and when people are trying to stop opoids, they go through this withdrawal. and it is terrible. i mean you get this bone searing pain, nausea, shakes.
it gets worse, all of that. very few things can treat that. cannabis came. much in the way it treats chemotherapy side effects for cancer patients. people have known about that for a long time. very similar with opoid withdrawal. and third thing that was most fascinating to me is that opoids within a few days of taking them do change your brain. they change make is very hard to just say no. researchers said to me it's egregious to ask people to just say no when their brain has been changed this way. cannabis can help heal that part of the brain as well. if you had to design something to help get us out of the opioid epidemic, it would look like cannabis. >> that's amazing. no one will forget that you have been researching, studying the impact of various ways that marijuana has affected all of our lives in this changing landscape for almost five years now? >> five years. and before that, i was not that
impressed. i did not think the evidence really stacked up at all. but as you start to look at other labs that are not federally funded, you go outside the united states, a different picture starts to emerge, and i think the last five years have really proven that. >> as i watch this, i am blown away. how is it as a society we did not know that opioids and painkillers were going to be so addictive and also seem to have also been so off on the medicinal benefits of marijuana? >> i think until our last days as journalists together hopefully here, we'll be asking that question in some ways. i think with regard to the opioids, i think we did know. i think there was evidence that showed it wasn't that effective long term, that it could actually induce more pain in people taking the opioids and there was evidence of its addictiveness, even before people started prescribing it like crazy. but you would have to be a cynic
or somebody who was a conspiracy theorist. it's all about money. there is two plants. one is poppy, one is cannabis. pop py goes on to be one of the biggest in our country. and the other is marijuana. >> you also wrote a letter to jeff sessions asking for his help in this. what do you hope to accomplish? >> i think there's something very specific here. cannabis is considered a schedule 1 substance. what that means is they are listed as having high abuse potential like heroin. it does not. you can abuse it, certainly, but not like that. and two, it's listed as having no medicinal benefit. nobody thinks that that's true. even the national academy of science as issued statements saying, these are the things cannabis can be used for. if they can reschedule it as something else, it opens greatly paths of research. everybody who is responsible for
this want more research. the people who are critics say, we want more research. researchers are saying the same thing, but if it's a schedule 1 substance, it's very hard to get that research done. one of the researchers we worked with, it took her four years just to get a project off the ground. people don't have that long. tens of thousands of people are dying right now of the opioid epidemic, and this could be an important tool. >> thank you for being on with us. don't miss sanjay's special report, weed 4, pot versus pills on sunday night right here on cnn. just moments ago, i want to show you a video. donald trump welcoming german chancellor angela merkel to the white house. look, we have reporters, too. and top on their agenda, iran and trade. much more to come of this big meeting at the white house between the german chancellor and president trump after the break. need a change of scenery?
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we have breaking news from the house of representatives. questions came afterward for both republicans and democrats. now republicans are demanding action. what's happening now? >> reporter: some house democrats came really making moves on the house floor at this moment. as you can see on the house floor, house democrats are essentially trying to force an investigation into why what's come from speaker ryan's resignation, which is trying to force a select committee, call for a select committee, potentially a special counsel to
investigate his firing, and now there is a motion on the table to push it aside. it is expected essentially this motion would go down so that would not happen. but this push by house democrats really underscores how much concern and consternation there is behind the scenes about what led to his firing, about the reasons that paul ryan is giving publicly for -- to call for his ouster. we heard that not only from house democrats but notably from some house republicans this morning, wondering why he was fired, wondering why there's not more of an explanation coming from speaker of the house paul ryan. and you know these house chaplains. they give these players rayers floor every morning, and some crumbling up here on capitol hill if anything the house chaplain said in any of those prayers could play into it, if there was some dissatisfaction on the part of the house speaker. clearly, kate, a lot more
questions and a lot more moves by the house democrats to push this issue. kate? >> some democrats saying flatly they think it's politically motivated and they think it dates back to a prayer the chaplain made during the tax debate, hoping there wouldn't be winners and losers as a result of the tax code. thank you for joining me. "negotiate positive "inside politics" with john king starts now. >> thank you, kate. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. the german chancellor is inside the white house this hour. angela merkel's visit with president trump is frosty, the iran nuclear deal just one of their big disagreements. plus a stunning image and an even more likely promise.