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pain. it seems to be safer and do things opiates can't do. >> all right. tune in. sanjay's special report this sunday night at 8:00. time now to hand it over to don lemon and "cnn tonight." this is "cnn tonight." i'm dobson lemon. we are live in washington for you. we are following multiple big stories tonight. first breaking news on the russia investigation to tell you about. the russian lawyer who met with donald trump jr. and other members of the trump campaign who claim to have dirt on hillary clinton now revealing she has klocloser ties to the creme than than she previously admitted. listen to what she tells nbc. [ speaking a foreign language ] natalia veselnitskaya disclosing that she is an informant for the russian government. that comes as house republicans
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release their version of the report on the intel committee's year-long russia investigation, 253 pages worth. oddly enough, all of this was news to the republican who led the investigation. >> one of the things that also we have learned today is that now natalia veselnitskaya, that russian lawyer says that she was actually a russian informant during the campaign. did you know she was a russian spy? as part of your investigation did that come up at all? that she was a russian spy? >> not that i recall. that's new information. >> and do you think that's relevant to what happened in the 2016 campaign that she was a russian informant? >> there are lots of russian informants throughout the world that may or may not have any impact. >> sill seems like the kind of thing you would want to investigate, doesn't it? the president, as you expect, had one takeaway from the republican report. guess what? no collusion. >> we were honored.
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it was a great report. no collusion. which i knew anyway. no coordination. no nothing. it's a witch-hunt. that's all it is. >> it's important to keep a couple of things in mind here. democrats on the house intel committee rejected the republican report and they charged republicans were not actually interested in uncovering collusion. the senate intelligence committee is still investigating russia's interference and, of course, robert mueller's investigation still under way. so it's a little bit premature for the president to be crowing about no collusion. we'll get into all of that but begin with cnn's crime and justice reporter and jack quinn and samantha -- >> good evening. >> i want to start with you. this russian lawyer, veselnitskaya, from the infamous
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trump tower meeting, she admitted she worked with the military unit with ties to the fsb. that's explosive. what does this mean? >> it certainly is explosive. any time you have a person who is under investigation and who the fbi agents and intelligence officials have questions about is admitting that she was working as an informant for the russian government, she was connected to the top prosecutor in russia, she said so today in this interview, that is significant for the special counsel's investigation. they are probing this meeting at trump tower. they are investigating it. they've been investigating since reports surfaced. when you have someone who is a subject of an investigation obviously admitting that they are part of this perhaps conspiracy here, that is a pretty significant deal. >> is seems like something that the house intel committee would want to investigate, dig in on. >> they'll be hugely embarrassed
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by this. yeah, this is definitely something they should have looked into. she is an agent of the government. we know she helped negotiate a deal in which they were pushing back on information that the united states sought from the russian government. she is an asset. it is a polite way of saying you're a spy but not working enough hours to qualify for health insurance. >> really? >> yeah. that's what she was. she is a spy for the russian government. so the possibility, number one, is that the trump campaign knew that. if so, that's really explosive. the other possibility is they were so reckless they let this person into their -- >> that's what their own report says, that they were reckless, right? >> absolutely. >> sorry. i cannot believe that anybody
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including donald trump jr. or paul manafort are naive enough to think this woman happened to have exactly the information they wanted at the time that they needed it and it wasn't sanctioned by the kremlin. >> we first learned about this meeting. it was an e-mail chain between don junior and rob goldstone for the russian oligarch. he said the prosecutor met with his father this morning. in their meeting offered to provide the trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate hillary clinton and would be useful to her father. it is obviously high level and sensitive information. as part of russia and it's government's support of mr. trump and don jr. replied saying if that's what you say, if it's what you say, i love it especially later in the summer. so was she connected to putin? what's going on. >> she had to have been. there's no way this information would have ended up being
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offered or supposedly offered to the campaign without the kremlin sanctioning it. in the same way there is no way she gave this interview without vladimir putin himself saying it is okay to go on american television and to say you were working with us. this was a putinesque show of force. >> the president's direct role and lying about the nature of it, what do you think? >> of course they should be. of course mueller's team probably knows whether she is an agent, whether she is an asset in a variety of ways. they are not naive that is a person -- >> this is more than adoption. >> it was always intended to be somebody that was supposed to give nefarious information if any was available to the trump campaign to help them, and it came down and there's no crown prosecutor in russia. there is a prosecutor general who has a position by the kremlin. it's right to do this. what's absolutely wrong in my
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mind, don s. that you could have this information out there, that e-mail was available to the republican members of the house intel committee and they chose not to pursue that lead and instead decided to say nothing to see here, folks. we are not going to follow up on bannon or flynn or hold them in contempt. we just don't see a problem. how can that be? >> why are you shaking your head? >> that's exactly what the democrats are saying today in their dissent. they disagree with the republicans. they believe that the republicans moved quickly to please the president. it's quite clear that's how they feel and the democrats, they listed a whole bunch of things that the republicans didn't do. >> didn't follow up on. >> they didn't follow up on key issues. failed to issue subpoenas. the dems have made an issue and we know special council has been looking into some of the trump campaign business associates, some of trump's business dealings, previous business d l dealings before he was president. they took issue with that. the democrats asked to look that that. the republicans refused.
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they also wanted -- the dems wants the republicans to look at the obstruction, a key part of robert mueller's investigation. they refused to do that. they raised all these things they feel was in a rush and in the end is really to get -- to make the president happy. >> you've seen the president is saying now they -- he's using it as an official report which is obviously lacking in substance in its findings. >> the house republicans have made a decision to circle the wagons and the president. that's very clear. i don't understand it but they have pushed all their chips into the middle of the table and making -- >> you understand it. it's about politic, right? they want to drive their agenda through. >> senate republicans are being a lot more careful. hedging their bets. i don't want to glide past the point, saying it is really important. i think there's a very high degree of likelihood that vladimir putin engineered
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this revelation today. it is a way of sending a message to the united states government that he can undo this presidency. should he -- >> drill in on that. my question, sam, why would veselnitskaya be coming out with this now? why the timing? >> i think vladimir putin wants to show who is boss. my question is what else does he have information on that he could choose to release in the coming months? putin decided he wanted trump to win. he meddled in the election to that effect and he does seemingly have information on what happened during the campaign that he can release to show president trump that he's not happy with something he's doing perhaps like the sanctions against the oligarchs or expulsions of dims so my guess is we'll have more friday nights where we're talking about russian revelations that seem to come out of nowhere and are sanctioned by the kremlin. >> are you saying he's saying, hey, he's sending a signal i can blow up your presidency? >> i think he's -- see, if
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doesn't even matter whether there was collusion or not. he's sending a signal that right now given where the president is in terms of the status of this investigation, it doesn't matter whether there's collusion or not. putin is saying, i can do you serious damage here. >> i think it's also part of the theme that's happening that he can and continues to try to sow discord just as you think there may be some theme going on they stir the proverbial pot and demonstrate they have the power to do so. the question is why she did this now when she's been so reluctant in the past and denied she was in any way involved with the kremlin, why now? why this opportunity to do so? we have to meet with the same level of skepticism with the house up tell republicans that chose not to continue it with natalia veselnitskaya, why are you deciding to make decisions you're making now. are they in haste or the sanction issue again? >> yeah. >> i think --
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>> they pulled back, though. >> in terms of going back to putinen and why do it now, this can be viewed by the u.s. government side and u.s. intelligence officials as compromising information. anything that you can do to sort of cast president in a bad light or show that maybe people around him were doing something shady, it's compromising information for a foreign government. it's what they were concerned about with michael flynn that he was having these meetings and not being honest about them. that's sort what have happened in trump tower too. remember, the initial statements from the white house from the president were misleading and that also is part of what robert mueller is investigating. >> but you saw when he was interviewed him. every time he fell back on defense, he's on the donald trump about this. what's going on? >> well, i mean nothing should be new to a member who's running that committee if they were supposed to have done a thorough and comprehensive investigation. there should not be epiphanies at the end of april when you've
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closed out the investigation that allowed this loophole to come in and she can kind of taint the entire thing. >> jackie said house republicans will be embarrassed but the ranking member of the house committee adam shiffrin told cnn veselnitskaya reached back to the campaign after the election. why would she do that? >> i don't know. you know -- >> as simple as that. >> again, i think just as -- so many of us have said so many times the special council is so far ahead of us. i think the russians are pretty far ahead of us too in terms of engineering these things. >> also, when you think about the willingness that some of the trump campaign officials you know based on a lot of the reporting they have done emboldened the russians. why not reach out again because they were so willing to take their phone calls or take these meetings, so perhaps -- >> mis.
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>> reporter: them like jeff sessions and michael flynn which is why he ended up getting fired and the russians are trying to have as many ten thtacles into administration as possible. >> house republicans released the intelligence committee's redacted report, right? saying they found no collusion as the president said, no evidence of it or that russia tried to help donald trump to win and you can guess what the president's reaction was because just moments ago he treated house intelligence committee rules in all caps no collusion between the trump campaign and russia as i have been saying all along, it is all a big hoax by the democrats based on lies. there should have never been a special counsel appointed. witch-hunt. >> so the special counsel didn't come until after he fired comey. that's what generated the special counsel. it wasn't really the russia investigation. it all got kind of put together by bob mueller. so really the president in some ways should look at himself and
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his own actionness terms of why the special counsel was appointed. >> he's consciously obfuscating and doesn't want us to remember that the appointment of robert mueller was directly the result of his firing james comey. and, you know, i mean this is just the playbook. >> didn't he say he wanted to let the investigation go on and allow people to judge for themselves? i guess that's again out the window. >> he also said he was looking forward to speaking to the special counsel too and we know so there you go. well, thank you all. great to be here. have you all in person. it's a great -- it's like dinner conversation instead of in the satellite boxes. thanks again. when we come back congress releasing a heavily redacted house intel committee report on the same day we learn the russian lawyer at the trump tower meet something an informant for the kremlin. my next guest says that's adding insult to injury. congressman swalwell joins me next.
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welcome back. live in washington. republicans on the house intel committee released their report on russian interference in the 2016 election. the 253-page document was heavily redacted. democrats on the committee rejected the report. one of them is congressman eric swalwell and he joins me now. in addition to the redacted report released today a dissent was written. you were one of them. what didn't they fully investigate and why. >> collusion. they claim and declared there was though collusion and gave the tweet the president wanted
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to send but never looked for collusion. the republicans control subpoena power. it was a take them at their word investigation. they would say we never talked to any russians and we never showed a willingness to subpoena their bank records, phone record, travel records. michael cohen said he never went to prague. we said could you show us something to prove you weren't there. he never did and never showed the willingness to go after those records. donald trump jr. talked three days before the trump tower to the agalarov family to set it up. made a phone call to russia an a if phone call to a blocked number and right after that calls russia back. we know that his father has a blocked number so asked, well, why don't we subpoena the phone provider to see if that went to his dad to show there was knowledge. they weren't even willing to do that, don. >> as i said, why? why do you think so? >> they don't want to know. they want to protect the president. they did everything they could to protect the president. there was very little -- you could see this in the
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transcripts -- very little attendance on their part. when they did show up the questions they asked were essentially, hey, did you collude, no, okay, great. next. >> i was going to ask. you and other democrats would come on the air and be visibly frustrated by what you thought was lack of interest among your republican colleagues and i'm sure some people were saying you're just saying that because you're a democrat. if you look at the interview with conaway, should this be a revelation that about veselnitskaya after the investigation is closed. >> we all knew she was a spy when she offered, you know, dirt on hillary clinton through rob goldstone to the trump family and then also in our report you'll see that natalia veselnitskaya also met dana rohrabacher over in russia. it was an unannounced meeting. other parts of the globe, she would just pop up and meet with
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congressmen rohrabacher. she is a spy. she is competing with sergey kislyak, how hard she was working. should have been obvious. don, i have written legislation that is called a duty to report which says that if you are contacted by an agent of a foreign power, as a candidate or someone on the campaign team you have to tell the fbi. there are so many people who were approached by russians with dirt on hillary clinton or who offered to connect donald trump to vladimir putin and they said nothing. >> okay, so, listen, in this, the republicans did push back on some of the actions taken by the trump campaign saying the trump tower meeting demonstrated poor judgment and that trump's praise for wikileaks was highly objectionable. are you happy they at least included that or do you think they had to include something. >> poor judgment is when you eat pizza too late. what they did was showing a willingness and eagerness to work with the russians. we should call it what it is and shouldn't have ended the investigation because as we just
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learned today natalia veselnitskaya admitted she was a spy. we also learned from christopher wiley who came in and talked to us from cambridge analytica that donald trump's campaign vendor had connections with julian assange and meddled in a nigerian election similar to what the russians were doing in ours and that they were polling in the united states u.s. persons' views of vladimir putin with no known client as to why they'd be doing that work. it was premature and irresponsible to end the investigation. >> when i read this and it said demonstrated poor judgment and highly objectionable, it brought me back to 2016 just before the election. >> comey. >> comey saying the same thing about hillary clinton and republicans were saying she should be put in jail for those very same words there they should have lat -- if they objected to those actions th--
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george papadopoulos is the canary in the coal mine interviewed by the fbi in 2017, lied. interviewed again a month later, lied. it looks like when you read his plea they got records from february to july when they pulled him off a plane, confronted him with skype and facebook logs, he found religion and told them that he had been working with the russians who were offering him dirt on hillary clinton. you have to be willing to really test these individuals, confront them because they're willing to lie through their teeth. >> you know the president is seizing on this and i'll play his sound bite and get your response. here it is. >> we were honored. it was a great report. no collusion which i knew anyway, no coordination, it's a witch-hunt. as i've said many times before, i always said there was no collusion but also said there's been nobody tougher on russia than me. i was honored by the report. it was totally conclusive, strong, powerful. many things said that nobody
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knew about and said in a very strong way. they were forceful in showing that the clinton campaign did contribute to russia. so maybe somebody ought to look at that. >> okay, two things out of this. one, you say that the report is one-sided. number two, robert mueller's investigation is not done. >> thankfully, hopefully he can proceed. if you want to know how donald trump or the russians would have written a report on what the russians did in the last election, read what the republicans wrote. if you want to know what i think any patriot or american would do if they were concerned about what the russians did you should read what we did and what we wanted the republicans to join us in. >> thank you, congressman. i appreciate your time. when we come back what a week it's been. what a week it's been for president trump meeting with world leaders losing his pick to take over the v.a. to scandal and the unhinged interview that had white house aides cringing. a lot to discuss with mark mick kinnen. that's next. ? you know it!
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lying about pay raises. after nearly two dozen people spoke out the white house claimed he had undergone vetting. the pick for the v.a. has forced to withdraw. he also two bromances with kanye west and the french president and gave such a wild interview that the fox & friends hosts cut him off and before the 2016 election saying she's an informant for the kremlin. just another circus of a week for the trump administration. and that's a perfect transition for this gent, the executive producer of showtime's "the circus." adviser to former president bush. too bad you don't have any material for your show. >> no, once again, we're trying to figure out what to cut. i've already cut scenes for monday. >> is it more important what you cut than what you put in?
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>> yeah, i mean we could do a two-hour show every week and so i mean we're literally cutting stuff that we shot monday because it seems ancient but trying to keep a narrative thread and that's trump on the world stage and on that count it was a big week for him and a good one. >> absolutely. let's go through some things. ronny jackson, if you will, this is what the president said earlier today. >> i called him today. i said in a certain way you're in a very big way you're an american hero because you've exposed the system for some horrible things. i've had it happen to me with the russian collusion hoax. it's a hoax. >> did dr. jackson get a raw deal? >> well, i mean, the reality is he probably shouldn't have been put up in the first place based on experience because there were probably people in the v.a. community and senators who might have had issue with that. i talked to sarah sanders today and had a great interview but one thing we talked about not george pain to the show we're
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doing but as a communicator myself and having dealt with people, this was human collateral. you know, everybody i know including david axelrod, a good friend of both of ours and talk to all the time, he's a good n man, and he just got put through the sawmill and, you know, you can talk about the political element and whether he was truly qualified but it's unfortunate and just shared a moment because i've been there too, see someone who is qualified and his reputation -- >> when you put these sorts of things out there and if some of them are not true how do you get your reputation back? >> you know, once your reputation is blown up like his was this week nobody will do stories about how -- i guarantee you there is not wall-to-wall news about the allegations that are not true. >> the bottom line is there should have been a better vetting process and he wouldn't have had to go through any of this. >> it was an impulsive nomination by the president and
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wasn't thought out a lot and if they did they would have seen this was coming? >> team usa olympians and paralympians at the white house. look what president said. >> today on behalf of the united states i want to thank every olympian and paralympian and that was just incredible and what happened with the paralympics was so incredible and so inspiring to me and i watch -- it's a little tough to watch too much but i watched as much as i could. it was really fantastic and i want to thank you. >> how do you interpret that moment? >> yeah, i kind of windsed. i got a brother in a wheelchair and that's -- that just makes you cringe a little bit. >> it is what it is. yeah. fox news interview. here's some of the highlights. >> it's as though -- if you're a runner prague for the 100-yard dash as opposed to the one mile.
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the electoral college is different. i would rather have the popular voight. it's an sloouz disgrace and by the way the only collusion is the collusion with the democrats with little rocket man and the buttons and my button is bigger -- everybody said this guy is going to get us into nuclear war and our justice department which i try and stay away from but at some point i won't, our justice -- there is no collusion with me. >> all right. >> everyone knows it. >> we could talk to you all day but looks like you have a million things to do. >> i mean even the anchors, they seemed uncomfortable and everybody has been examining their body language but have you ever seen an interview like that? we saw sort of during the campaign but from a sitting president. >> as somebody who, you know, been in the communications, a press secretary for a bunch of governors and senators on campaigns and i talked to sarah sanders about this. she's got the hardest job in washington. when you plan out a week like this, and have you all these great event, state dinner which
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went smooth and north korea and then you have your boss show up on the morning news with just this avalanche of information, none of which had to do with like the big things you were planning? >> what were people doing behind the scenes do you think? >> i just know -- scrambling like we're -- we thought we would be talking about north korea. now we're talking about michael cohen and stormy daniels. >> yeah, so your show, i want to show -- this is behind the scenes of your show. you went behind the scenes for the state dinner with the french president and his wife. take a look at this. >> what's at stake? >> well, i think a lot is at stake particularly for mrs. trump because she has clearly made this her event. clearly she's interested in it. she likes it. not all first ladies love doing this but she's in the details and that's great. the only wild card about this dinner is what he might say or do because everything about the way he operates has the potential to be like a bad tweet. >> so how did the trumps do?
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>> they did great on the state dinner and she did a great job. she did and had an excellent hat game, may i say. as a hat fan, and so that all went great. >> i like the hat too. >> strong, strong hat. but to the point that i think you were just making that all went fantastic but then the next day with the fox appearance it blew it out -- >> he's got angela merkel, met with her after that and then you had north korea which you said was a very big deal for him but got overshadowed. >> yeah, i mean, that may be his legacy achievement when this is all done. north korea, the achievement this week. so, you know, more to come on that. but i would say overall on the world stage, foreign affairs, front, you know, strong grade for this week and just got interrupted as this administration often does by some interceding events, but a pretty good week overall. >> on the interview what grade do you give yourself, he said.
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of course. an a plus. thank you, mark. always a pleasure. >> thank you. >> you can catch "the circus" 8:00 p.m. on showtime. the president keeping up with the kanye bromance and chance the rapper but chance is saying, thanks, but no thanks to the president. more on that next. with expedia, you can book a flight, hotel, car, and activity... ...all in one place. everything you need to go. expedia
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the president talking up his n new bromance. big things are happening and eyes are being opened for the first time in decades. legacy stuff. thank you also to chance and dr. darrell scott. they really get it. lowest black and hispanic unemployment in history. want to talk about it with matt lewis and an op-ed columnist for "the new york times," charles -- they have continued their love fest and the president loves to cozy up with anyone who flatters
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him. does he think it gives him some sort of credibility with people of color? >> who is that too? >> to you, charles. >> prepolitics, donald trump has always sought validation from the hip-hop community and they've given it to him. from the '80s, '90s, a lot of trump references generally positive references so he sought validation and they validated him. he connects on some level or wants to, to people in that community. it is no, you know, no surprise if he found someone in hip-hop still willing to be on his side he'll do it. you have to remember donald trump is from new york. he's a new york city creature. you know, when rap was being -- was fresh and new, was born here in new york city, he was here to witness that. so he -- there is so something that connects with him.
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i don't think he relates on any way to the black community and whether or not kanye is doing something for or against it. i want to relate this one story. the one and only time i've ever met donald trump we were at a cocktail party. i don't think he knew who i was and launches into this thing because i'm black and said black people, i'm the favorite white person among black people and this is the height of that, his birther stuff. they keep telling me to run for president and only examples he used people from hip-hop. that's how he relates on that level to blackness but not to blackness at large. >> you're shaking your head. >> i think charles is exactly right. and i got to tell you being a gen-x guy, the music i was listening to was grunge music and it was like too cool for school, kurt cobain, you had to be sort of down and -- but hip-hop at that time at least was entrepreneurial and i think
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there was a time when donald trump i think during the "apprentice" number one demographic was the african-american community. it is sad he took this turn with the birther stuff because it's possible that you could have a republican president now who actually would have a legitimate appeal to the african-american community if it wasn't for all the other things he's done. >> yeah, but i think because of the, you know, what you see sometimes in rap music, back then it was about videos and wanted to show your wealth and limousines and that was donald trump. >> which is the opposite of the grunge sort of -- >> he may have seen that as an opportunity to show his wealth and to be involved as charles said. >> also you have to understand how racism works, right? so people think it is absolute. like that if somebody doesn't like black people or is kind of has some sort of racial resentment it's universal but in fact, throughout my whole life i've understood that there are
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always exceptions. that people allow exceptions. it's not you, it's the other one, right? and so donald trump was always making the exception like it wasn't the moguls, the hip-hop moguls, he loved them. he loved tyson. he loved don king. he loved the ones with the moaning but the ones who were in the park who were innocent he hated them. he wanted the death penalty for those, right? >> the ones he wrote the newspaper article about central park five. >> that's what i'm saying. so the ones without the money, the ones who challenged his -- challenged his concept of himself, those were evil. the ones with the cash in new york running around trying to come up like he was, he made exceptions. >> so let's dig deeper. there's an interview, i want to show this interview. do we have time? is it long? okay. so this is an interview because you referred to this in your column called the white rebellion from donald trump in 1989 from nbc. watch this.
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>> a well educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well educated white in terms of the job market and i think sometimes a black may think that they don't really have the advantage or this or that but in actuality today currently that's -- it's a great -- i've said on occasion even about myself if i were starting off today i would love to be a well educated black because i do believe they have an actual advantage today. >> i can't get past a black -- a black. >> lie, lies. >> why do you say that? >> i mean do you believe it? i mean, honestly --s if. >> as a black -- no. >> let's get past like the stripping of the personification. you want to say a black person or white person but let's move past that. and get into what is happening in the '80s at that time. so a lot of cases of affirmative action were going to the courts.
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and there was a lot of -- around this idea of whether affirmative action would stand, particularly in the job market but also in schools. and this idea, what he's trying to make kind of soft enough for television is actually a very deep resentment which was to say the universal benefit that had always rebounded to white men in america was now somehow being shaved away and some of it may have been going to someone who wasn't a white man, some of it may have been going to someone who was black or brown or a woman and that, that idea of resentment over that, that fact just lives onto this day and what the researchers are find something that that was a -- that kind of idea of white vulnerable built on a kind of white resentment is a large part of what was motivating some or
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most of the voters going out. >> i've got to go, charles. >> they weren't aware of it. >> i've got to rung. unfortunately, you don't get a chance to -- >> i have a lot to say. >> i know. >> charles, it was his column. thank you both. a fascinating conversation. you know we do it all the time so we will continue it. we'll be right back. but first, i wanted dr. sanjay gupta, his medical marijuana story wondering if it can solve the opioid crisis called "weed 4, pot versus pills." small preview right here. >> americans are dying. opioids, the worst and deadliest drug crisis. >> i was hooked. >> can pot save us? >> did it help you get off the opiates. >> it gave me an alternative. >> dr. sanjay gupta with a ground breaking report on medical marijuana. >> when will the medical community catch up with their patient pop laying. >> cannabis has given me a reason to live. >> cnn's special report, "weed
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in the premiere episode kamau heads down to the u.s./mexico border. i spoke earlier to kamau. first here's a preview of the united shades of america. >> i want to find out what's going on at the border so i'm headed to nogales, mexico. conjoined twin cities heavily separated by a guarded border. first i want to find out what the people think of about this. tell me about nogales, arizona. >> it's gone. the way i grew up here is gone. my mother was born over here, my father over here. >> but in those days it was easier to go back and forth. >> oh, yeah. not anymore. business start dying and dying. now it's empty. >> you see a lot of the businesses are closed. >> yeah. it's terrible here. not a lot of stuff to do. >> so you think it should be
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easier to go back and forth? >> yeah. i live here and i have a restaurant over there. >> oh, yeah, what kind of restaurant is it? >> mexican. >> don't invite everybody. i know these people. >> bring anderson cooper, too. >> kamau is here, the host of the show. what did you think it was french food? >> it was possible they sold french food in mexico. maybe it was a dumb question but i ask dumb questions. >> listen, you and i talked about this a lot, people have to clarify things he writes about or things that he says. like this tweet when he's talking about a crime infested breeding concept. so you went to the border. what do people think when it
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comes to race, about him about that? >> the thing we do in these shows and how we approach border security has been messed up for a while in this country. it's not just trump's fault. we talked to a white woman who has lived for four years on the right side of the border. >> did you talk to border patrol? what would they like to see done? >> they feel like that they have -- well, border patrol keeps hiring. and the reason i think they keep hiring is they're told they need to do a better job. but the more security you have the more dangerous it is. >> what do you mean? >> yeah, they feel they're occupied. and i talked to people who were like 20 years ago you could literally live in mexico, work on the american side, go back to mexico for lunch and go back and finish your job.
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you can't do that anymore. >> this administration doesn't want that. >> and several administrations. obama administration didn't want that. that's why this time i say it's not all president trump's fault. >> i go with the one that's in office now. >> before we go, you said it was nicer on the mexico side. >> more fun, more vibrant. the american side the businesses are closed because those businesses depended on dollars from mexico and people touring from mexico. >> yeah, good to see you. >> that's right, brother. >> you're killing it. >> i'm trying to be like you. when you turn this job around. >> your hair will have to get longer. >> i'm working on it. >> all new season premiers sunday night at 10:15 eastern only on cnn. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. the cnn special report "hush money" is next.
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the following is a cnn special report. you have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney. >> he's been called donald trump's pitbull. >> cohen as someone said to me knows where all the bodies are buried because he may have buried all of them. >> the ultimate trump loyalist. >> michael cohen's job was to keep donald trump secrets. >> i never come across a situation where mr. trump has said something that's not accurate. >> breaking news, trump's lawyer raided. >> the agents armed with multiple search warrants. >> the fbi now has access to every e-mail, every communication. >> how big of a deal is it?


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