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flip. it was michael cohen who said he would take a bullet for the president, and we'll see how true that ends up being. >> maxine, thank you very much. >> thank you, brooke. >> we continue on. top of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin. president trump is signaling, he's leaning toward pulling out of the accord, after a call with the leader of israel over the weekend. in this news conference earlier this afternoon, israel has iran's secret nuclear files, 55,000 pages, disks and has proof that iran is lying about its part of the deal. >> the prime minister says in reality, iran is expanding its nuclear program, however, despite this news, president trump stopped short of saying the u.s. is definitively dropping out of the agreement, which aims to reduce iran's nuclear weapons. >> that is just not an
acceptable situation. and i've been seeing this happening, they're not sitting back idolly. they're setting off missiles, which they say are for television purposes much i don't think so. so we'll see what happens. i'm not telling you what i'm doing, but a lot of people think they know. and on or before the 12th we'll make a decision. i think if anything, what's happening today and what's happened over the last little while and what we've learned has really shown i've been 100% right. >> with me now are jeff zeleny. the president made that comment at his joint news conference with the president of nigeria a little while ago. watching that press conference of netanyahu's certainly seemed like he spoke in english, that he had an audience of one. >> there's no question, the president was watching that i'm told from just off the oval office, he was watching that speech, he's -- he agrees with peng men netanyahu about this entirely, they had a phone call over the weekend on saturday
they spoke. this is something that the prime minister is simply doing to a.m.ably phi via message here, the president stopping short of saying what he was going to do, boy, listening to him in the rose garden certainly seemed that all signs are pointing to the fact that he plans to withdraw from the iran nuclear deal. >> what about the headlines on north korea, and how he floated again the notion of meeting kim jong-un at the dmz. >> the president is focused on the optics of what that would look like. the history of the meeting will be history making on its own, regardless of where it is, but the president is certainly not satisfied with the idea of having this in some random hotel some place, he wants that picture at the dmz. this is interesting, a couple weeks ago, u.s. officials were telling us, they did not want it at the dmz. they want it at a neutral third party site, so it didn't look like the president was giving in. he may have the final say here,
he was floating the idea. it certainly seems like it's a picture that he wants. he's very focused on images, if it would happen, it would be an amazing meeting at the dmz. >> thank you, at the white house, with me now, gloria borger, and elizabeth sherwood randall. welcome to both of you. and gloria, just -- just to you first gloria, on we know that president trump had spoken to benjamin netanyahu over the weekend, we know that mike pompeo had met with netanyahu on sunday. does this mean that the president essentially green lit what netanyahu presented to the world, and does this mine that the president's leaning on pulling out? >> absolutely. i think there's no way that netanyahu would have done this, as you pointed out earlier, in
english first, which means he was speaking not only to trump, but to the american people. and that he got the go ahead from trump and pompeo to do this, i think if i were macron or angela merkel, or teresa may, i may be a little upset about this, if they were not clued in on this, don't forget, they were all lobbying the president last week to kind of -- don't end it, mengd it, to renigh an old bill clinton phrase. and i think that netanyahu got to the president and showed him all of this intelligence, and i must say, brooke, that it was stunning to me, the intelligence that he presented. i mean, it was highly sophisticated, and you kind of -- you sit back and you wonder, wow! how did they infiltrate that
way, who did they have working with them on the inside in order to get this. it was quite remarkable. >> also remarkable, some of the claims, elizabeth -- four claims from netanyahu that iran lied about never having a secret nukes program. iran continued to preserve and expand its nuke weapons for official use. lastly, the iran deal is based on lies. obviously, an opinion. although it was presented as fact, what did you make of those claims? and how the prime minister laid them out, i was speaking with fareed zakaria, he was saying much of what net will you said is already out there, it's not a secret. >> so while israeli spy craft is impressive, i didn't hear anything that surprised me, the reason we negotiated an iran nuclear agreement, is because we knew iran was determined to have
nuclear weapons. and we nieded to put a stop to their developmental program. and what we did in the agreement that was achieved, with russia, china, the europeans and the united states, and iran, was to stop the two pathways, to the bomb. their acquisition of plutonium to build a bomb. with those two dimensions arrested, set back for many years, we knew that there would be sufficient time for the iranians to proceed again when we came into office, we learned how close the iranians were to be able to build a bomb, and when we left office, we had set that back significantly. we knew there was never no risk, what we did was put time on the clock. >> elizabeth would the u.s. put out its own evidence.
>> i think we have ample evidence of what we've accomplished thus far in sitting back the iranian nuclear clock. we also knew well about what the iranians were up to, before we negotiated the agreement. the one thing that surprised me was netanyahu's charge that in 2015. the iranians lied to the iaea many the inspectors. that would be a real problem. in terms of the agreement, wouldn't it? >> if they were lying to those inspectors, because this was going on during the time it was supposed to. >> if they were inventorying or lied since, that would be significant. how gloria, would mike pompeo or john bolton come to a decision. >> i think usually.
and i think both of them are sings from the same song book, as the is president, which is, it's got to be ripped up, maybe, and we don't know the answer to this, maybe there's a way to please the president and net had you and not rip up the entire deal as macron and merkel say. we don't knows what going to happen next, all we do know, is that there's not a lot of time between now and may 12th. the question is how do you validate this intelligence in such a short period of time. the israelis have it. the u.s. has been briefed on it. don't our intelligence agencies, and other intelligence agencies have to validate it? >> what about -- if you can answer that, i certainly -- i don't know the answer to that.
the israeli perspective, based upon what netanyahu said and what he put out there. why do the israelis think they would be better off without this deal. >> it's mystifying to me, because netanyahu previously indicated he recognize d that israel was more secure as a result of the iran agreement. we have to look at the facts, but what i would emphasize is our importance of the recognition that the iranians had lied before, we weren't basing the negotiation on lies. we were basing it on our technical assessment of what we needed to do. that didn't set us to zero, but what i can't understand is why we are facing so many challenges around the world, we would want to restart the iranian nuclear
program, rather than keep it constrained with intrusive verification and inspections that are part of that nuclear agreement. >> thank you again, the deadline, may 12th. thanks. coming up, breaking this afternoon. stormy daniels filing a lawsuit against the president. after he called a sketch of her alleged harasser on twitter, does she have a case. president trump floats potential sites for his meeting with kim jong-un. senator john mccain hitting president truchld and reflecting on a lifetime of service as he struggles with stage four cancer. it's all from the senator's upcoming memoir. you're watching cnn, we'll be right back. at crowne plaza,
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this is regarding stormy daniels. this is separate from another lawsuit where there's a lawsuit over the hush money agreement. this new lawsuit has to deal with a man who threatened her life, trump tweeted this. a sketch years later about a nonexistent man total con job, they know it. with me, arriva martin and paul callan, paul, again, just jogging everyone's memories back. this is from when stormy daniels was on the view, she tells the story, the word out out, she was going to tell the truth about this ledged affair with donald interrupt. that some man in a parking lot
threatened her recently the sketch was made. the defamation suit does it have legs? >> i think it's a real uphill battle for avant ottey representing stormy daniels. in order to prove defamation. you have to prove that -- and this is the theory he enunciates in the complaint. you've accused my client of doing a criminal act. falsely accusing somebody of a crime. the guy in the sketch. however, in defamation law, if what you say is as the law defines an opinion. that's not de familiar tory, and just to make it clear. >> here's how the law makes the distinction. let's say i were to say stormy daniels robbed a bank. that is capable of being proven, true or false. if i said she robbed chase manhattan bank. we could look it up and see if
chase manhattan had been robbed. this sketch is a con job, how would you prove that, true or false. especially since the guy hasn't been apprehended. it's not capable of being proven true or false. >> to add to that. >> he pointed out, since stormy daniels is a public figure, avanati has a higher burden of malas? >> absolutely. if you are a public figure, you have to go that extra mile. the law is sensitive to people's first amendment rights. there's a fine line to state your ability about a person but also your ability to exercise your first amendment rights. i don't know if stormy daniels could prove that statement is de familiar tory. she would have an easier chance proving malas.
the incident and all the statements that have been made by her attorney i have some issues with the tweet 2self. it doesn't mention her by name. we have to make an inference that trump is talking about her. this is his way to keep the pressure on trump. especially since the federal judge has put the burden on president trump. we know avanati wants to depose michael cohen. he's not going to be able to maybe this is his opportunity. he thinks to get a shot of that 2ke7gs in that lawsuit. >> it's like bigger picture. this is his 12r59 by. he knows the law. >> i think what's also interesting is, since the california suit is on hold and mr. avanati spends most of his
time in new york city making television appearances about the case, what better place to file the lawsuit than new york. for a lot of reasons he may have been deciding to pursue the case in new york. >> speaking of, president trump, should he receive the nobel peace prize? that is what his counterpart in south korea has said. it comes as president trump mentions an interesting site in the coming weeks. where might that be. stay with us.
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north korea now saying it will abandon its nukes and allow journalists in to watch the dismantling, only if the u.s. promises not to invade. never mind the fact that the u.s. has never made any threats to invade north korea. meanwhile, south korea's president told his cabinet he thinks president trump deserves the peace prize for ending the stand-off between the north and south. trump supporters, listen for the chanting, they agree. >> nobel! >> that's very nice, thank you. that's very nice. nobel. >> you with all of this, president trump saying his upcoming meeting with kim jong-un may happen in the next three to four weeks. he's even suggesting a possible location for the summit, the
dmz. >> it was an interesting thought, and i had that thought, we're looking at various countrying, including singapore, and we are also talking about the possibility of the dmz, peace house, freedom house. there's something i thought was intriguing, i think that some people maybe don't like the look of that, and some people like it very much. i will say this, if it's not a success. if it's not a success -- got to get rid of the nuclear weapons. if it's not a success, i will respectfully leave, it's very simple. >> let's go to will rippley live in seoul for us, listening to the president, some people don't like the idea of him going to the dmz because of the optics, it makes it look like trump is going to kim jong-un, at the same time, it's a symbolic site for this sort of meeting. >> who can dispute nose images were made for tv, and that
resonated with the president who was watching the coverage taken by the photos of kim jong-un and moon jae-in. yes, if had been ruled out as told to us by the sources inside the white house. and there are american military personnel at the dmz. so it could work out. he's consistently giving the president credit. the maximum pressure campaign, the sanctions, even the insults and threats of military action all help bring north korea to the table. i might argue that kim jong-un has had a long term plan to develop his nuclear arsenal up to a point where i would sit down with the u.s., and at least
for now, things are going exactly as i've been told many times in the north korean's plan. >> i spent so much of my weekend looking at your photos of that stunning visit between moon and kim, just imagine between kim and trump if it were to be at the dmz. will rippley for us in seoul. the caravan of asylum seekers who have just arrived on the mexico border. president trump ripping u.s. immigration laws. the world is laughing at us and saying he's watching this caravan for himself. details ahead. at crowne plaza, we know business travel isn't just business. there's this. a bit of this. why not? your hotel should make it easy to do all the things you do. which is what we do. crowne plaza. we're all business, mostly.
now to the stand-off at the u.s./mexico board ir, president trump just spoke about the dozens of migrants who are vowing to remain outside the immigration processing center, until they're all admitted to get a chance at asylum. that's according to the organizer of the caravan. the group just spent months
traveling north. president trump was asked about this at the white house last hour. >> we are a nation of laws. we have to have borders, we don't have borders, we don't have a country. i've been watching for weeks as the caravan came up. the mexican laws are very tough on immigration. it started out with way over 1,000 people, i guess now it's don to about 100. going all through mexico. people don't realize what a big country mexico is. it came down by a lot. and now we're working on the border with the worst laws any country, no matter where you go all over the world, they can't even believe it, we're doing the best we can with it, we have to have changes in congress, and we have to have it quickly. we need a wall. >> let me bring in former acting director of immigration and customs enforcement. john, welcome back, nice to see
you. >> nice to be back, thank you. >> i talked last hour to a volunteer, a group that organizes the caravan. he was telling me all of these men, women, children are at the border in tijuana. no one's been processed, because they're being told the center is at capacity. you know, he contends the officials knew for months these migrants were coming, is that the case? the capacity reasoning? >> well, san yisidro is a businessdy port. and it's not designed for a large influx of immigrants. many travelers going through there are being screened for secondary inspection. that said, i think, maybe there's a little bit of games manship going on, in terms of how quickly they're going to admit these people. i think it's going to be difficult to process these
people at all. >> when the president was asked what percentage of migrants he would process, he wouldn't go there. knowing full well, these are people seeking asylum. let's remind people, these are migrants, many of whom are fleeing whole countries. what is the likelihood that some, all receive that asylum? the situation in honduras, guatemala and el salvador is horrific. they risk everything they have to come north to this country. the president was right, it's a long and difficult journey. when they get here, very few are likely to succeed. they're facing gang violence, and it's hard for them to dem ing straight it's demonstrated
by religion or race. these people are facing difficult conditions. >> this has been going on, it's my understanding, this is the fifth year this migrant caravan has travelled northward. how has the previous administration handled it. >> when i was at ice, we dealt with similar caravans, there's been a massive influx that is new to u.s. border policy or u.s. border situation. central americans have been coming up in very large numbers. our asylum laws are not broken, but our system is overwhelmed, you have this huge influx, this is only about 150 now, we had 50,000 last month, that puts a strain on the system to process the good claims from the bad claims, that's what the real frustration is, the wall is not going to fix that, you could fix it with the money for one mile of wall. higher more immigration judges and the problem is solved. >> john, thank you.
involved in an effort to meddle in this election. she was seen sitting at a table with vladimir putin. stein has denied any kind of wrongdoing and calls the russian dinner a nonevent. >> there was no translator at the table, putin came in very late with three people, three, fo four, that i thought were bodyguards. they were corps people in his administration. russians spoke russian. i spoke to the oath person in earshot that spoke english, who was a german diplomat that was sitting to my right. >> with me now, steve hall, cnn national security analyst and retired cia chief of russia operations. we know that the stein camp says the request amounts to overreach, but if you have nothing to hide, why not hand it
all over. >> yeah, you'd think, if there was not a lot there, why not turn it over, but frankly, jill stein's campaign contact with the russians troubled me, just as michael flynn's contact with the russians troubles me. >> why? >> jill steen herself has said this is overreach, there's constitutional protections. if you look at her relation ship with rt, she did a lot of work with rt. announced her campaign essentially on rt. and complained the mainstream american media did not cover her. it's amazing. there is no real constitutional protections in russia. overreach happens there all the time fp if she's concerned about those issues, she needs to have a much better understanding of what russia is all about, and how they try to manipulate our
political system. >> we know that her campaign has turned over communications with any members of the russian government, russian media, but hasn't released records with all people of russian dissent. this is an ask in the senate intel committee. what do they want with all of that information, including people -- any russians she was in contact with? >> i think what they want to see is, what -- to what extent and how far did the russians go in their attempts to manipulate and to attack our elections in 2016. look, to be frank, she has to be absolutely transparent about this, there ought to be nothing to hide. but the other aren't transparency is important not only because we're a country of laws, which russia is not. there's no rule of law meaningfully in russia, have you to obey the laws, we have to remember, this is not a republican issue, it's not a democrat issue, it's not a green party issue, it's an american
issue for that reason, her campaign needs to be entirely transparent so that the american government can understand how we were attacked and make sure it doesn't happen again. we're already in the election cycle for the midterms. >> and we know they're attacking us currently according to intel. >> yes, there can be little doubt, we need to understand as best we can how they do that. >> steve hall, thank you so much. good to see you. >> much has been made about the comedian at the white house correspondence dinner, whether she went too far, whether it was too vulger. the normal debates we end up having. unfortunately, lost in all of it, is the real message that should have come out of this event. the truth is under attack in this country and much of the world. despite the president of the united states over the weekend telling americans this about journalists. >> is this better than that phony washington white house
correspondence dinner. i could be up there tonight smiling like i love where they're hitting you shot after shot. these people they hate your guts. >> despite that, journalists each and every day are at the front lines of finding the truth. in kabul, afghanistan today, more than 30 people killed by back to back suicide bombers. nine of them lost their lives. it was the deadliest attack on journalists in afghanistan since 2001. journalism is not always perfect, but they sacrifice, they risk everything to shine a light into some of the world's dark et places. that is my takeaway about those who sack nice and risk everything to report.
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loss of world war ii, one veteran finds sol is in the hearts of minds and the last wish of a dying marine was to share his memories with a comrade in arms. we report on how that wish was granted through social media. >> a world war ii marine veteran shot three times and bray onneted in the canal. a purple heart recipient. and this is sergeant bill hashan today. >> you who old are you? >> 96. >> and when do you turn 97? >> may 7th. >> that is coming up. >> sadly the sergeant's health is failing and he's now receiving hospice care and it turns out that long ago battle on the islands have flooded his memory as of late.
so much so his hospice care giver decided to do something about it. do your thing, twitter, a hospice facility in new york is seeking someone willing and able to visit with a veteran agent age of 96 who was in the battle and wants to talk with someone who had the same experience and twitter did it thing. we found a former world war ii marine sergeant and the recipient of a purple heart and also at the battle of the canal. harold burg and a family friend hopped a plane to new york city and headed to the rockland county new york home bill shares with his daughter and her family, to fulfill this last wish. >> haroldberg, this is big hessian, you are both marines. both american heroes. >> dag, golly. imagine that.
you were on -- what outfit were you in. >> eighth company. combat -- >> yeah. combat. >> by golly, i'll tell you, you and i are just about the same age. >> i'm 96. >> you're 96? i'm 92. i still chase girls. i lie, too. >> i'm jake his grandson. >> with family and friends they shared stories of the time during the war and spoke of their physical and emotional wounds that remain all of these decades later. >> well, boy you're lucky to be here. >> yeah. you are right. >> yeah, it went down through me and then it went -- i had a hole -- >> well life has been pretty good for you and i -- >> yeah. right now --
>> but, look at it, we had a lot of good days go by. >> oh, yeah. yeah. >> i lost my wife two years ago. we were married 71 years. >> mm-hmm. >> the sergeant is also a widower. he was married for 55 years. >> what they got you doing now? >> you mow the grass -- >> that's what they got me doing now. mowing the grass. >> it took more than 75 years after these men shared a battlefield, but the two are now friends. >> this is a coin i had for -- the united states marines. that is where you and i got our education.
>> reporter: but when they said good-bye, they knew they would likely not see each other again. >> good to see you. >> he'll tell you, i enjoyed it. look right at -- look in the camera. >> reporter: a last wish fulfilled. gary tuchman, cnn, new city, new york. >> how about that. that is the best thing i've seen in quite a while. gary, thank you for that. and to those two men, thank you both so much. we are now getting our first look at a new memoir from senator john mccain who has plenty to say. speaking of veterans here. plenty to say about the state of american politics, his stage four brain cancer diagnosis and president trump. and among the highlights so far that we've seen in the book, which is entitled "the restless wave" is there excerpt where he writes this about the current president. quote, he has declined to distinguish the actions of our
government from the crimes of despotic ones, the appearance of toughness or a reality show facsimile of toughness seems to matter more than any of our values. so with me now reporter chris alizza. that veterans piece got me. and now just thinking of john mccain and being a prisoner of war and everything he's seen and experienced and fought for for this country and just these words for him and what will be his final memoir, final words. >> right. and i think he acknowledges that. he's been diagnosed with stanley cup four brain cancer and the same cancer that felled beau biden and ted kennedy, john mccain one-time colleague in the senate. i think what is striking is first of all, john mccain came into public life in a lot of ways in a major way for faith of my fathers. the book about the connection,
the connective tissue of the military and how he learned -- this book cowritten and as his others, a reflection on no matter what you think of john mccain's politics, left or right or center, an amazing life. a tremendously eventful and tremendously meaningful life and his criticism of donald trump will draw the headlines. but i do think if you look at the sweep of john mccain's life from the naval academy to being a prisoner of war, to the house, to the senate, to running for president, to being the nominee, now to this, it is a remarkable journey. >> let me read another excerpt where he talks about his cancer diagnosis and how he views his obligation to voters. so this is what he writes. this is my last term. if i hadn't admitted that to myself before the summer, a stage four cancer diagnosis acts
as ungentle persuasion. i've freeing than colleagues who will face voters again. i can speak my mind without fearing the consequences much and i can vote my conscious without worry. >> don't think i'm free to disregard my constituent's wishes and i don't feel confused from keeping pledges nor do i wish to harm my party's prospects but i do feel a pressing responsibility to give americans my best judgment. before i leave, i would like to see our politics return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations. >> and let me add, on a not encouraging note, 48 hours ago donald trump was in michigan, made reference -- not by name to john mccain as he often does in his speech -- his campaign speech, talking about how one senator went -- voted down on health care and how disappointing that was. trump in a lot of ways is the
antithesis of what mccain ran as and constructed his political life around, that compromise is a necessity and donald trump ran on and has governed on the idea that you -- that this way is the right way. what about me-ism. how do -- what does it mean for me and my constituents. it's a very interesting book end in the last 48 hours but the rise of donald trump and john mccain saying good-bye on a public stage, that dove tailing -- they represent such radically different visions of what american government can and should be. >> it also struck me -- yes, but it also struck me on president trump, what trump said in that news -- or that -- early today at the white house where he talked about immigration and called it pathetic and the world is laughing at us, he will not apologize for his rhetoric and while it is maybe not
surprising, i thought it was noteworthy. >> yeah, i mean, look, i stopped a long time ago waiting for a donald trump 2.0. i think the donald trump we have is the donald trump he's been for 71 years of his life and it is a donald trump he will continue to be. he will not change. he believes this in his heart of hearts that he needs to say and do things that are politically incorrect that break the status quo because that is what he thinks has won him this office. he's not going to stop. we should stop being surprised but we shouldn't stop covering it because as you read in that first excerpt about donald trump from john mccain, this is not normal presidential behavior, it is not even close to normal presidential behavior. we have to cover it and say, past presidents have not said and acted in these ways. and you could judge that as a good, bad or indifferent, but it is without question a fact.
>> chris cillizza. and good to see you. and the john mccain memoir comes out the end of the may. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. to washington, and "the lead" with jake tapper. the porn star now seouling t -- now suing the president of the united states who some say deserves the nobel peace prize. and stormy daniels suing donald trump for defamation and what did he say to lead to the latest legal entanglement. more breaking news. vice president pence on the southern border ripping a caravan of mostly women and children seeking asylum in the u.s. saying a nation without borders is not a nation. how long might this showdown last? and as president trump takes the credit for getting north korea to budge and go to the table, one of his closest advisers is saying, we've been here before with north korea. is the president in danger of being