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he denied it. >> seeking shelter. hundreds of earthquakes are triggering volcanic eruptions this morning, spewing lava and deadly chemicals into hawaii neighborhoods right now. mission to mars. nasa checked out his paint work. now it's time to look under the hood. what today's launch is all about. you are in the cnn "newsroom." good morning to you. live look at joint base andrews now. in moments president trump will board air force one and head to ohio, leaving behind the growing credibility crisis facing his white house for a chance to rally his base. >> hosting tax reform events with supporters today hours after he cheered that second amendment with the nra. his speech already drawing some criticism from some survivors of gun violence. cameron caskey for one, a student from parkland.
i spoke to him this morning. >> he is a professional liar that will say anything to api e appease the crowd he's out. if he's in front of families he may something in common sense to gun reform. if he's with the nra, he will say something to get a big cheer. >> ed lavandera is there. ed, what will organizers hope they'll be able to accomplish today? >> the epicenter here in dallas, texas, of this gun debate. just across the street over here you have the national rifle association annual meeting, tens of thousands of people spending the weekend in dallas. they heard from donald trump and mike pence yesterday, headlining the speaking engagements and out here in about an hour, the rallies begin today. this is the most intense days of anti-nra rallies we'll see throughout this meeting. there are a number of rallies scheduled here. they're billing this as a
grassroots event, trying to register voters, get people motivated to vote on what they call common sense gun law. so, that is really the point of this. there are a number of rallies. it's fascinating to see as you picture the layout in downtown dallas, christi and victor. in the block surrounding it, several more thousands of people expected to descend on downtown dallas this morning to protest that organization. so, it should be a dynamic day here in dallas, for sure. christi? >> ed, good to have you there. ed lavendandera there for us in dallas. >> president trump wants it to be about his tax law, tax plans for the future. the growing credibility crisis of his administration is threatening to overshadow that. >> "the new york times" has a new report that president trump did know about a hush money deal his lawyer made with a porn star several months before he denied
it. remember, a few weeks ago, the president claimed he didn't know anything about this. >> investigators are looking into how that lawyer, michael cohen build up a $75,000 award chest as he worked to fix problems for the trump team. the president just left the south lawn. did he answer any questions this morning? >> no, victor. it appears allowing the confusion to sit with the american public as it relates to his payments, repayments of the hush money, payment to stormy daniels. let's look where this started, though, latest iteration of this saga. rudy giuliani, newly minted attorney took to fox news to search for the first time that the president did, in fact, repay michael cohen for that hush money payment.
he later said it was a $35,000 a month retainer that facilitated that payment and said he spoke with the president before going on air to make those comments but yesterday the president appearing ing ting to muddle t situation further and urged reporters to take a look at comments about the payment so they did. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. >> do you know whery got the money? >> no, i don't. >> "the new york times" is report i reporting that the president, when he said that, the fact that "the new york times" is reporting that the president has known about the payments for months now. rudy giuliani, for his part, put out a statement yesterday clarifying he was stating his understanding of the matters not
the president's. avoiding the possibility of getting in any legal trouble by revealing that the president did, in fact, repay michael cohen while remaining hazy on the details of the payments because that would affect the president from a political perspective. >> jeremy diamond, thank you very much. eric swalwell of california. congressman, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> first let's start with the news of the day. we invited you here to talk about the nra and assault weapons ban. let's start with this reporting from "the new york times" that president trump, indeed, knew of the payment of $130,000 to stormy daniels months before he denied having any knowledge of it. what's your reaction? >> of course he knew about the payment. i don't think most reasonable americans thought otherwise. they see nothing but deception from the president on this issue. to me it's relevant, more so in
what did he know about the work that the russians were doing for his campaign? if this president is willing to deceive americans about payoffs he made around the time of the election, it's probably likely because he has operated in a shado shadowy way that he hasn't been straight with us about what was going on with the russia investigation, his family members, his businesses, his campaign and individuals from russia, who were seeking to help them. so i think the best thing he could do is come clean with the american people, sit down in bob mueller's chair, stop undermining the investigation and allow us to move on. victor, the cost of this mess that he has created from the payoffs to the russia investigation is he is incapable of addressing the needs that the american worker needs right now. they need a president who is focused, not a president who, day-to-day is under these distractions. >> despite calling for the president to sit down with the special counsel, we heard from the president saying nobody, more than him, wants to sit down
and speak about this because, in his words, there was no collusion. do you expect that will happen, as we watch the president leave marine one here, walking over to air force one? he will be heading to a round table later this afternoon. go ahead, congressman. >> i don't expect that to happen. i expect more of these games and more obstruction and using his fictioners in congress to undermine rod rosenstein and bob mueller. he has been provided the questions. as a former prosecutor, i couldn't believe that the government had done that. now i'm realizing the brilliance of it. the public now sees that these questions are straightforward, they're fair and relate only to what russia was doing and actions that the president took. so, he really will have no excuse to the american people, who he has promised to be honest with and straightforward with, as to why he can't sit down. remember, victor, in september of 2016, president, candidate trump told america that anyone
on hillary clinton's team if they took the fifth amendment in the investigation should be concluded as being guilty. he said only the mob takes the fifth. so, mr. president, will you follow your own advice, which is honest people come forward and that only somebody who has something to hide takes the fifth amendment? i hope our president shoots straight with us. >> we saw the president board air force one, headed to ohio for an event on taxes. unlike we saw yesterday, the president did not speak to reporters on the south lawn or at joint base andrews. the president made a lot of news yesterday, en route to the nra annual meeting. let me talk to you about that, congressman. we had on one of the survivors of the parkland shooting, cameron kasky, this morning. they have been rallying for change, including an assault weapons ban. you wrote about that in an op-ed this week. why are you calling for a buy
back and ban? most of the gun violence in the country, critics will say, is not through the barrel of assault weapons, but a handgun? >> i have evolved on this issue from being a prosecutor to a member of congress and seeing so many victims that i now believe that a child's right to learn in the classroom from fear, their right to go home and their right to live is supreme to any other right. i don't accept that a weapon of war and assault weapon is covered by the second amendment and that if we buy them back or limit them to gun clubs, we can dramatically reduce mass shootings. victor, you're absolutely right. this is not a false choice. we either address the assault weapons or do nothing. gun violence, prevention programs, invest in mental health care. make sure we have congressman's background check bill. federally information about mental health, individuals and their states. there's so much more we could do. the cost of doing nothing, we
know what that will get us. more carnage, more lives lost. >> let me put to you the argument that the president offered yesterday, his address to the nra meeting in saying that, well, if you're going to ban assault weapons, maybe you should ban vans and trucks and cars. don't sell any more cars because people are using those to mow down innocent people as well. to that you say what? >> look at the last major mass shootings in america, they were assault weapons, from parkland to pulse to a church in texas and, of course, las vegas. these weapons, they have no other practical use with a pistol grip or stock to spray a crowd and mow down a lot of people. and if you're in their way, as you read in the op-ed, the young african-american gary jackson in oakland, california, the shooter fired dozens of rounds at him, hit him just once in the back of
the thigh and he still died. the sheer energy leaves you no chance. we should do something about that. the cost of doing nothing will be more lives lost. >> congressman eric swalwell, thank you. >> my pleasure. we're looking at what's happening in hawaii this morning. there's lava almost everywhere. it's nonstop earthquakes, it feels like, for those people. but that's not even the worst of what hawaii is dealing with this morning. also the mission to mars. how nasa's newest toy could tell us a whole lot more about the red planet. >> we're keeping tabs on the president's false or misleading claims even though the white house says they do not have a problem with accuracy. >> we give the very best information we have at the time. i do that every single day. and we'll continue to do that every day in this position. i'm all-business when i travel... even when i travel... for leisure.
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can you imagine? >> no. >> oh, my gosh. it's so bright orange that it doesn't even look real. >> and the sound. >> oh, yeah. >> when you hear the crackling and almost the hissing of the fire there. >> 400 earthquakes in 24 hours. and then roads blocked off by this, lava. people on hawaii's big island are just trying to stay out of the way as the lava from the kilauea volcano destroys everything in its path. two families have lost their homes already. >> they're opening up more cracks, more fissures in the road for that lava to fill. 6.9 magnitude earthquake was felt on another island more than 200 miles away. one woman said she knew this could happen one day but the reality is that it's just now sinking in. she almost feels like she's in a movie, she says.
>> understandably. the big island is under a state of emergency. thousands have had to leave their homes. many say they're not receiving any updates on their homes or even when it will be safe to return. cnn spoke with a man who lives on a farm in that leilani area. listen to this. >> we're holding up good. i'm with 11 people that have been displaced and are homeless and workless right now, that were also working on my farm. and it's been a real shocker. the last day we were there, you know, just thursday, we were making a good-bye dinner for one of our friends, about to enjoy dinner and then cops show up and tell us we have to go. everything changed in an instant. we had five minutes to back your bags with what you think you're going to need and you're off. and i was in a supermarket when the 6.9 hit, which is one of the scariest places you can be. as you can imagine there's glass falling, bottles falling, things falling off the shelves.
everybody is going crazy. and it last aid good 10, 15 seconds. you just become hyper aware of the situation. >> that leilani subdivision is at the center of the destruction. more cracks have opened up, releasing more lava. there's an even bigger threat on the horizon. >> alison chinchar is in the cnn weather center with more. this is one we can't capture on video. >> no, you can't. you can't see t you supposedly can smell it. it has a very pungent smell to it. that's the only warning you get from this. sulfur dioxide, one of the gases released in the cracks we talked about, along with the lava. if you've never had any history of breathing problems, in low doses suchlt lfur dioxide can trigger breathing problems and in high doses it can be fatal, just one of the reasons they've put evacuations in place.
earthquakes have been around. not that you need another reason to evacuate. and a lot of them. over 430 now in the last 24 hours. we're also keeping an eye on additional fissures or cracks that could open up as the system continues to evolve. and it is. but the question is why? why exactly is this happening? we have to start with the volcano itself. underneath the volcano, you have the magma chamber, it's building pressure underneath because it has nowhere to go. the thing you have to understand, it's just just under the volcano. it spreads out very far away. that leilani estates community we've been talking about is 25 miles away from the crater of the actual volcano. within that magma chamber underneath, pressure builds, has to be released in some shape or form. these fissures or cracks develop. the lava makes its way to the surface and you have that toxic
gas that comes up. we're dealing with six of the fissures in addition to all the earthquakes. take a look at all the earthquakes we've been dealing w incredibly impressive numbers, 6.9 on friday, very shallow, about 3.1 miles deep. this was large enough to trigger a mini tsunami, caused sea level changes 15 inches give or take. nothing major. it goes to show you the strength that these have had. vast majority of quakes have been small. it goes to show you the amount of activity that's taking place here. again, victor and christi, we point out even though most of them are small it's a warning sign that you could end up having more fissures. it's still something to pay attention to. >> no doubt about it. alison chinchar, thank you so much. >> thanks. >> we talked this morning about the false claims and misleading statements that the president has made. we're trying to figure out a way to really get you to understand
how many of them he has made. i remember the game of jar of gumballs. if you had just one gumball for every lie or misleading statement from the president, how many jars would that fill? >> you're going to show us. >> i will. >> of course. also you might be wondering, how private, how safe are my phone conversations? there's a new report that the nsa is increasing its surveillance and the numbers are pretty spectacular. stay close. an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase. ♪ (electronic dance music)♪ ♪ ♪
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in the last few days we've heard rudy giuliani's story, president trump's story, sarah sanders has her own version. we still don't know the true story when it comes to the hush money between president trump's personal lawyer, michael cohen, and stormy daniels. latest false claim is about the president's reimbursement of cohen. there are so many claims that are false or misleading statements and downright lies it's hard to keep track, but we are. remember this from january? according to the fact checker blog at the washington post, president trump has made 1,950 false and misleading statements since january 20th, 2017. think of that. 1,950. that's an average of more than five a day. at this pace he'll hit 2,000 in his first full year of office. that's stunning but also hard to
grasp. i thought how do i make something conceptual like a false statement concrete, tangible? then i remembered that game i hated as a kid, the jar of gumballs. 1,950. stand by. two jars. have we reached it yet? 1,950? not yet. watch. move it over here. three. are we there yet? stand by. when is with a kid, i never knew how many gum balls were in those jars. this these four, 1,950. >> and yes, friends, the sweet colorful bites of false claims, misleading statements and flat-out lies are back.
after so many bunk statements we wanted to show you what this president's commitment to the truth looks like. last time we checked, it filled these four big glass jars. remember, 1,950. well, after the last 24 hours, we decided to show you what this administration's commitment to accuracy looks like today. how many jars has this administration filled? let's take a look. we've got a fifth jar and i don't know if the shot is wide enough. we are on our way to filling a sixth. because, according to t"the washington post," their fact checker blog, the president has made 3,001 false claims since taking the oath of office through may 1st. that's an additional 1,051 false claims in 120 days, averaging more than six lies a day.
think about it. that's more than some people wash their hands in a day. one every four hours, on average. that's two before most folks get to work in the morning. timely enough, this is what the president had to say just yesterday about the spread of misinformation. >> it's actually very simple. it's actually very simple. but there has been a lot of misinformation, really. people wanting to say -- i say, you know what? learn before you speak. it's a lot easier. >> learn before you speak. joining me now to talk about this, maria cardona, democratic strategist and jack kingston, cnn political commentator and former senior adviser to the trump campaign. jack, i'm starting with you. >> i figured you would. >> yes, sir, i am. 3,001 false statements, misleading claims and downright lies in this administration so far. are you proud of that? >> not proud of it. i certainly will concede the
point that there have been a lot of misstatements coming out of the white house but not unique to this presidency. i just posted four pages of obama lies before that. bush, there were even signs that say bush lies. clinton probably still holds the lifetime record and i think the american people understand that they're not going to find a lot of -- they're not going to look at washington, d.c. as the fount of truth whether it's from congress or the white house. unfortunately. >> maria? >> when you have to go back to your predecessors and point to whatever it is that you think they did, you know that you're losing the argument. yes, people don't inherently trust politicians. yes, clinton lied and democrats were outraged when it happened. but for the president of the united states to have documented 3,001 lies since the moment that he took office, which was 15 months ago, is an astounding
record that no american should be proud of. and it points to why he has a record low approval rating. it points to why in a poll this past week the majority of americans believe this white house is in complete chaos. this is the pant on fire president that is presiding over a dumpster fire administration. it is bad for democracy. it is bad for the country. it is bad for america's image overseas. and i think going into the midterm elections, congressional republicans are scared, as they should be. because americans are going to make sure that their voice is heard, that this is not acceptable. >> jack, the news of the day, "the new york times" reporting that president trump knew of the payment to stormy daniels through his attorney, michael co hen, months before denying
it. he casually lied to the american people about what he knew. how does he then try to come up with a story that the american people should believe on this point on about this, or anything for that matter? >> remember the source. "new york times" has not exactly gone out of its way to be accurate on president trump. >> okay. hold on. >> "the new york times" -- >> let's take "the new york times" out of the equation, if that's what you're going to use. the president said -- let me finish this question. the president said on air force one he knew nothing about the payment to stormy daniels, did not know where michael cohen got the money and then tweeted out this week this lawyered up statement about having reimbursed him through these retainer payments of $35,000 a month. we can take "the new york times" out of t the president did, indeed, tell something to the american people that was not true by using just his own statements. >> well, victor, one time when i
was in congress i had an electrician doing work at my house. he said i'm going to go public with it and embarrass you as a politician. i know office figures often get this soft blackmail from people. clearly that's what stormy daniels was doing. that's why they had to do the nda to begin with. >> what? >> a fixer who would pay a retainer, you pay a monthly retainer and makes the problems go away. >> jack? >> i don't think you necessarily know where all that retainer goes but know that michael cohen is solving problems for you. >> wait a minute, jack. >> poor jack. >> i hate for this to be one-sided here but, jack, the president himself said he knew nothing about the money and then he tweeted out that i did
reimburse him through this retainer. you're talking about the allegation. we can set the allegation aside. >> victor, i'm saying if i am paying my property manager who also has rental properties, if i'm paying my property manager a monthly fee, he is dispersing that in a way that's property, the management of that property to make issues go away. that's what he was doing with michael cohen. i think under the $35,000 a month that he has routinely paid, i don't think he knew where everything went. maybe he did, maybe he did nota we will probably find out. >> come on. come on. >> i've been a landlord and a property manager. one, i didn't pay him $35,000 a month for a year, as giuliani said that he did. but also these are very different scenarios. i need to get maria back into this conversation. >> thank you. i don't think, jack, that you would be paying your property manager to pay off porn stars.
at least i don't think you would be doing that. let's be very clear here -- >> if one was a tenant -- >> let her finish. >> the majority of the american people believe that donald trump, of course, knew about this payment. the majority of the american people, of course, believe he slept with the porn star. that's not the issue. clearly they knew they were not getting a saint. clearly, they knew they were getting somebody who had lived his life in a sleazy manner and he was not going to stop doing that. they didn't care. he showed us who he was throughout the '90s. he showed us who he was in the "access hollywood" tape. that clearly hasn't changed. what happens changed is that he continues to lie to the american people. all of his supporters and evangelicals should take another look at who they have elected as president of the united states. i believe the american people, as a whole, who did not vote for him now truly understand that
their vote really does count and that the president of the united states should not just be somebody that they can trust but that they need to uphold american values. and this president does not do that. >> let me put up some numbers here from the washington post fact checker blog. some of the days with the most number -- highest number of false claims and lies, 53 on a single day, july 25th, 2017. 49 on november 29th of 2017. and recently 44 on april 28th, ti tied with december 8th for the number of false or misleading claims. jack, i want you to hear from a conservative who supports the president pointing out the lack of clarity in the president's words. here is fox news host neil cavuto this week. >> let me be clear, mr. president. how can you drain the swamp if you're the one who keeps
muddying the waters? you didn't know about that $130,000 payment to a porn star until you did. you knew nothing about how your former lawyer, michael cohen, handled this until acknowledging today that you were the guy behind the retainer payment that took care of this. >> what does this mean to the president's base, to the party? >> you know, i want to quote what maria said. i don't think they care to the degree that a lot of this is seeing this inside baseball politics. what they do care about is the record unemployment rate, that he's a very pro-life president. he's tough on the boarder. he has been tough on national security, negotiating with north korea. >> essentially, this is the pruitt argument? if you're doing the job i want you to do, i don't really care about your ethics. >>? >> people are not looking at washington for moral purity. they're looking for results.
i'm not saying that's right or wrong, by the way. i'm saying that's the way it is. >> why can't you say it's right or wrong? >> you're actually kind of saying it's acceptable. you're saying it's acceptable. >> i'm saying -- >> and it's not. >> -- the american people made a decision that it was acceptable to them. they knew that they were -- >> not majority of the american people. >> well, you know, he won. he broke the blue wall, maria. let's agree to that. >> not the majority of the american people. and you know what, victor? just very quickly -- >> the economy is doing good. >> just really quickly when you have fox news -- when you have fox news saying -- telling the president, mr. president, this is your swamp. this is your stink, it's a tipping point. fox news. >> maria cardona, jack kingston, thank you both. i'll let you get one more look here. each one of these is one of the misleading statements, false claims or downright lies from the president of the united
states and we are only 15, 16 months in to this administration. we'll continue to count the president's false claims and show them to you because although jack kingston says most people have not determined whether it's right or wrong you should at least see what your president is telling you. christi? >> victor, thanks. a new mission to mars. details on nasa's latest voyage to the red planet. what they're hoping to learn once this new robot reaches the surface. plaque psoriasis can be relentless. your plaques are always there at the worst times.
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if you thought all your phone conversations with perfectly private, maybe not. national security agency has tripled its collection of phone records and text messages since 2016, according to a new report. they collected 534 million records. 534 million phone calls and text messages. >> and this is a spike that coincides with reports that there's been an increase in other surveillance methods as well, raising concerns of potential government overreach in the lives of ordinary citizen s. >> all right. this morning, an historic liftoff on the west coast, the atlas five rocket launched from california's air force base. the first interplanetary launch
from the west coast. >> and first time launched entirely for studying below the surface of mars, deep below. major mission is to look at the red planet structure, to better understand the evolution of rocky planets. retired nasa astronaut leroy chao is with us now. what was the advantage for the launch from the west coast. >> the advantage of launching from the west coast as opposed to the east coast, you can put it in a higher inclination orbit. you want to try to avoid flying over populated areas. i'm guessing this probe needed a very specific inclination launch and that's why it launched from the west coast. >> got you. one little tidbit that's interesting. it's going to take nearly seven months to reach mars. that would put it around november 26th. they want to examine the core, the mantle, the crust of mars.
what are they hoping they will learn from that planet that they can then learn about earth? >> well, as you know, we've had rovers on mars quite a number of years now, sending back stunning photographs and wonderful scientific data. we've literally just scratched the surface of mars. what this spacecraft will do, it will take a look deeper into the planet itself. it has different instruments on t one instrument will be a si seismometer to see if it has earthquakes -- mars quakes, i guess. whether it has tectonic plates like the earth. another instrument will measure the temperature, drill down and measure the temperature inside of the planet. that's very important. and then another instrument is going to see -- test the wobble, see how much mars' axis is wobbling. that will help determine whether or not mars has a liquid core
similar to the earth's or if it has a smaller one, that will help explain why mars' magnetic fields went away. this will help complete -- not totally complete but help fill in a lot of the gaps that we don't yet know about mars. it's a very exciting mission. >> leroy as a retired astronaut, you're probably watching this. do you ever get that inclination that you would like to go back up? do you think we will ever see somebody step on mars? >> well, i'm hopeful. i would love to explore mars, go back up into space to explore the moon or mars. i've had almost 229 -- 230 days in low earth orbit. i've had a lot of experience there. i'm hopeful that we will send someone to mars. unfortunately i like to say we've been 20 years from mars since 1969 back during apollo 11. we were sure in 20 years we would have people in mars and the can keeps getting steadily kicked down the road. it's going to take -- we have
the technology. it's going to take that political and capital commitment, the investment of the dollars to do that. i'm hopeful that there will be an international coalition that will find that worthwhile, politically and otherwise, to do that together. >> i would have to think that you would be sitting there, as a retired astronaut, i just want to go up there. leroy chiao, thank you for the conversation today. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> sure. next hour, we are live in hawaii where the sun will be rising soon on the sea of an active volcano. look at this. the people who live there have to leave. stay with us at 11:00 a.m. eastern. listen, tomorrow we're talking about this. he was hit in the face with a rocket-propelled grenade. he survived. tomorrow on "new day" we're talking to carmen gentile, what happened, why he still felt he had to go back to afghanistan after all of that and how life has changed now that he's a father. i'm carl and i'm a broker.
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