tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN May 13, 2018 6:00am-7:00am PDT
invested in classrooms and security. graduation rates soared. antonio for governor. historic summit. president trump touts upcoming meeting with kim jong-un. >> relationship is good. i think it is going to be a very big success. and welcomes home american prisoners freed by north korea. >> want to thank kim jong-un. >> can the north korean dictator be trusted? on message? president trump delivers on the campaign promise. >> the united states will withdraw from the iran nuclear deal.
>> as legal troubles and contradictions distract the president. will the drama overshadow his foreign policy efforts? national security adviser john bolton is here next. defending decency. lawmakers from both parties are outraged after a white house aid makes a crass comment about senator john mccain. >> i will not comment on an internal staff meeting. >> bernie sanders will be here. hello. i'm jake tapper in washington. president trump trying to keep the focus on his major international moves as unforced errors from his own white house compete for attention with foreign policy. the president took to twitter to call former president obama's iran deal a big lie and point to a new announcement from north korea saying north korea has
announced to dismantle test site. a smart and gracious gesture. international stability may not depend on president trump's negotiating prowess and the president is gearing up for another week. monday he will appear at the opening of the new u.s. embassy in jerusalem. as foreign ministers plan to meet without the united states to try to save the iran
nuclear deal. president trump's national security adviser ambassador john bolton. thank you for joining us. we have a lot of topics to get to. it took a decade of world wide sanctions against iran to get iran to come to the table to make this deal which i know you and the president feel is inadequate. can you explain how you will get iran to agree to a tougher deal without the participation in sanctions of china, russia and
europe? >> i think you have to start with fundamental deficiencies of the deal. it would not stop iran from getting nuclear weapons quite the contrary providing cover to continue efforts. if it continued it would have given iran extraordinary economic benefits without any guarantees of iranian performance. the rationale is it was contrary to american national security interest when we entered into it and hadn't gotten any better with age. >> when you say it provided cover to create a nuclear program you are talking about the sunset provisions that allow iran in seven or eight years to commence again a nuclear energy program? >> i think the sunset provisions were clearly a mistake. i think iran had never made a strategic decision to give up nuclear weapons. i think it was testing the limits of the deal's provisions. its ballistic missile program
which continued essentially unchecked was proof that what they were seeking was delivery systems for the nuclear weapons. the president has to make a decision where america's national interests lie and it did not lie in continuing the deal. the consequence of the united states getting out of it is to reimpose all american sanctions as they were before the deal came into effect. i think what we have seen is that iran's economic condition is really quite shaky so that the effect can be dramatic. i think there is another important point that the president has made. because of the deal iran was able to take advantage of turmoil to advance interest in iraq and syria and lebanon, in yemen so that the consequences of being able to sell iranian oil without restriction were providing resources not just for the nuclear program and as the world's central banker of international terrorism but
conventionalregion. >> the united states imposing economic sanctions is a far cry from the united states and china and russia and europe imposing economic sanctions. the u.s. essentially how will that force iran back to the table in. >> we are not going it alone. we have the support of israel, the arab oil producing monarchies and the consequences of american sanctions go well beyond goods shipped by american companies because of our technology licenses to many other countries and businesses around the world as those sanctions kick in it will have an even broader effect. >> president trump said any nation that helps iran in its quest for nuclear weapons could be strongly sanctioned by the united states. is the united states going to sanction european companies that do business with iran? >> i think the issue here is what the europeans are going to do. if they see it is not in their
interest to stay in the deal we will have to watch what the iranians do. they got everything they wanted from the obama administration. but i think the europeans will see that it is in their interest ultimately to come along with us. >> with all due respect i have been speaking to european diplomats and that is not the impression i get. >> they say they will stay in the deal. >> they may try to do so. in part i think despite the complete consistency of president trump and his opposition to the deal, opposed to it is candidate trump and president-elect trump and opposed to it is president trump. many people including apparently former secretary of state john kerry thought we would not get out of it. i think at the moment there is some feeling in europe that they are surprised we got out of it and the reimposition of strict
sanctions. the president is very clear he wants to discuss the larger threat posed by iran around the region. this is what he discussed with president macron and chancellor merkel, not just iran's nuclear threat now but threat in the future, the ballistic missile programs and the instability. >> with all due respect i didn't get an answer to the question. is the u.s. going to impose sanctions on european companies that continue to do business with iran? >> the answer is it is possible depending on conduct of other governments. >> you have pushed for regime change. i know that is not the current position of the united states government but are you behind the scenes pushing for it to become the position? >> let me make a general subject that i have made on other competing networks of yours. i have written and said a lot of
things over the years when i was a complete free agent. i stand by what i said at the time. those are my opinions then. the circumstance i'm in now is that i'm the national security adviser to the president. i'm not the national security decision maker. he makes the decisions and the advice i give him is between us. >> is it fair to anticipate that the advice you are giving is matched with what you gave when you were a free agent? >> see my previous answer. >> let me ask you about preemptive strike. what might prompt such a strike by the u.s. government? >> same question, same answer. >> this is not theoretical. is it possible that iran will resume nuclear weapons program given the united states withdrawing from the deal a warning to the iranians about what they cannot do without risking a presempative strike. >> i'm not going to speculate on what those steps might be.
the president has i think very clear policies now both with respect to north korea and iran. those are the policies we are pursuing. >> yesterday a commander told reporters that trump's decision would speed up the annihilation of israel. iran is a bad actor and responsible for its own behaviors. i wonder do you think the u.s. withdrawing from this deal has changed the calculus of thinking of military commanders and other leaders as to being more aggressive when it comes to siper attacks or whatever? >> i think they have been plenty aggressive enough under the deal. if you look at enhancement of iran's strategic position in iraq, syria, lebanon, the arc of control that they are seeking to construct with conventional forces from iran to the mediterranean. if you look at yemen to support the rebels to gain a position of control there behind the lines in effect of saudi arabia and the other oil producing
monarchies, they have used the obsession with the nuclear deal to continue to expand and threaten dominance throughout the middle east. i think getting out of the deal says to iran those happy days are over from the u.s. perspective. let's turn to north korea and the summit between president trump and kim jong-un less than a month away. i want to talk about goals. president trump was asked what it means to him. >> on north korea you said you believe in complete denuclearization. what does that mean exactly? >> it means they get rid of their nukes. very simple. >> obviously, there is a little bit more when it comes to the demands that would be met in actual summit. there are missile capabilities, international inspections. can you clarify heading into negotiations what does complete denuclearization mean? >> i think the phrase we have used and continue to use is
complete verifiable and irreversible. you can look at other commitments made in the past and didn't live up to as helping to define what that means. for example, in the 1992 joint north/south agreement north korea committed to give up both the front and the back ends of the nuclear fuel cycle. both uranium enrichment. on the denuclearization side it means all aspects. clearly ballistic missile program as with iran with the intention of being a delivery system for nuclear weapons. that's got to go. i think we need to look at chemical and biological weapons programs, as well. the president is going to raise other issues, japanese abductees. there are a lot of issues to discuss. secretary pompeo and his successful trip to pyongyang
foreshadowed that. we will look for discussions that lay it out in more detail. it is an ambitious program and that is why it is important why it has made a strategic decision. >> ambassador bolton i have more questions about north korea and more including how president trump is preparing for his meeting with kim jong-un. stay with us. there's nothing small about your business. with dell small business technology advisors you get the one-on-one partnership you need to grow your business. the dell vostro 15 laptop. contact a dell advisor today. >> tech: so you think this chip is nothing to worry about? well at safelite, we know sooner or later every chip will crack. these friends were on a trip when their windshield got chipped. so they scheduled at safelite.com. they didn't have to change their plans or worry about a thing. i'll see you all in a little bit. and i fixed it right away with a strong repair they can trust. plus, with most insurance a safelite repair is no cost to you.
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to deliver up to 7 hours of sleep support. number one sleep doctor recommended remfresh-your nightly sleep companion. we are back with u.s. national security adviser john bolton. we were talking about the summit with north korea. i know you and president trump have made it clear that reducing american troops in south korea is not on the table. so what is the u.s. prepared to offer north korea in exchange for denuclearization? might there be economic aid? >> i think what the prospect for north korea is to become a normal nation, to behave and interact the way south korea does. if you ever looked at a map of the korean peninsula at night or pictured north korean peninsula at night the contrast is the
most starkt of any -- >> uk you can't tell north korea from the yellow sea. the prospect for north korea is unbelievably strong if they commit to de-nuclearization. that is what the president will say. i think the vision is clear and see whether kim jong-un is up to it. >> a great moment when secretary of state mike pompeo brought back three american prisoners. when former president bill clinton went to north korea to argue for the release you wrote in a washington post opinion piece the reporters are pawns in larger game and gaining direct access to important u.s. figures so the clinton trip is a significant propaganda to north korea. was that different from what secretary of state pompeo did
bringing home three detainees? >> it's a fair question but the answer is it is completely different because of the president's maximum pressure campaign. north korea has come to a point that they never reached under any prior president. and i think what they did here was concede that holding these three americans as pawns in a propaganda game wasn't getting them anywhere. they came out without precondition. it is really because of the different policies that north korea faces from the united states that i think they made the decision. >> don't they deserve at least some credit for imposing economic sanctions against north korea that in tandem with what president trump did helped create the moment? >> from the u.s. perspective there have been stringent economic sanctions ever since the korean war. what we have done internationally is ratchet up the pressure. they never reached the level particularly of chinese
cooperation that kim jong-un has faced. i think the combined effect of all of that combined with having wretched economy. >> how is president trump preparing for the summit? he is somebody who prides himself in deal making but sitting across the table from kim jong-un will be different from anything he has encountered, much different from chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. >> they would be glad to hear that, too. >> this is something that he has never faced before. >> neither has any other american president. his preparations have been extensive and talking to a lot of different people and had an extensive conversation earlier this week and consulting with advisers. i have been on the job about five weeks. i would say iran and north korea probably taken up over half of my time and a lot of that is
helping him make the decision to get ready for the meetings. i think his preparations are very intense. people have said you can't prepare in such a short time for such a momentous meeting. i had the opposite reaction. there is utility in bringing these leaders together. let them see each other and decide in our case whether we judge kim jong-un has made a strategic decision to give up nuclear weapons. dragging this out gives north koreans more time to continue to make progress on ballistic missile and nuclear programs. let's get the leaders together. >> let me say he achieved some sort of treaty agreement. is it worth president trump bringing into congress to vote the treaty into law which would be a complete contrast with the way president obama negotiated the iran deal and would give it the added benefit to making it so the next president can't undo it? >> it is entirely possible we
proceed that way. we are thinking about different alternatives. it's been one of the criticisms of the iran nuclear deal to be sure that a deal of that level of consequence was not given to the senate as many people think the constitution provides. >> i want to ask you about senator john mccain in a private meeting at the white house, information leaked out, special assistant reportedly joked that opposition to gina haspel didn't matter. you worked with senator john mccain. my understanding is you have a decent relationship with him. how do you feel about the comment and why won't the white house apologize? >> i wasn't in the meeting. i don't know what was said or done. john mccain came to my defense in 2005 when my nomination to the u.n. ambassador was under criticism. we didn't know each other very
well at the time. he spent countless hours trying to help me out. much of it was behind the scenes. there was no political upside for john mccain. he did it because he thought i was being treated unfairly. i will never forget it and be grateful forever. i wish john mccain and his family nothing but the best. >> i don't understand what kind of environment she is working in where that would be acceptable and still have a job. >> i am giving my view. >> doesn't the white house have an obligation to apologize? >> i said what i'm going to say on the subject. >>
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much optimism since january 2007. what does that mean for democrats heading to mid terms in 2020? joining us now bernie sanders. thanks for joining us. i want to start with the new poll numbers. the economy is stronger. we are at virtually full employment. why would anyone want to vote for change right now? >> well, i think what you have is a president who promised the american people to provide health care to everybody and then proceeded to support legislation to throw 32 million people off of health insurance. most americans think health care should be a right of all people. you have a president, jake, who said that his tax reform bill would not help the rich yet 83% of the benefits are going to the top one percent, millions of middle class families over a ten year period will be paying more
in taxes. you have a president who campaigned appropriately enough on the outrageous rip offs of pharmaceutical industry and he said he was going to take them on. he caved in and did not go forward in demanding medicare negotiate prices with drug companies or allow pharmacists to reimport low cost medicine from abroad. i think what the american people perceive is you have a president who says one thing and does another thing and the fact is that we have while the economy is doing well you have tens of millions of people who continue to work for wages that are far, far too low. we need to raise the minimum wage to at least 15 bucks an hour. president talked about that during the campaign but he has forgotten that since he has been elected president. i think in many ways you have a president who says something during the campaign that is moving in a very different
direction after he took office. >> i want to get your reaction to my interview with ambassador john bolton. he said president trump is undergoing extensive preparations on north korea. what is your response to the interview? >> i dpagot to say something. needless to say i disagree with john on a lot. this is a man who was a key adviser to president bush in urging him to get involved and to invade iraq because supposedly iraq had weapons of mass destruction. as i think most americans now know that effort in iraq was the worst foreign policy disaster in the modern history of this country. we lost 4,400 american soldiers, brave soldiers, 31,000 wounded, half a million iraqys dead. bolton talks about appropriately
so the increased influence that iran has on iraq. that is true. that is precisely because of the war in iraq. so i think you have some people unfortunately in washington, bolton being one of them, who believe that war and militaryism is the answer to everything. we have spent over $2 trillion in wars in iraq and afghanistan. yet today our infrastructure here in the united states is crumblin crumbling. we have millions of people can't afford to go to college or leaving college deeply in debt. maybe we might want to be investing in the american people rather than inflated military budgets and more and more wars. >> you heard ambassador bolton say some nice things about senator john mccain after this white house aid kelly saddler made this disgusting joke president his vote doesn't matter because he is going to die anyway. you served with senator mccain
for more than a decade. it was a meaningful moment when he returned to the senate. you gave him a hug on the senate floor right after he returned from arizona where he was being treated from brain cancer. what is your response to the comment from kelly saddler, the white house official who joked that mccain was dying anyway so his vote doesn't matter. what was your reaction? >> let me say this. i have known john mccain for many years and he and i have strong differences of opinion though we did work together on a major veterans bill. i personally like john very, very much. he is very well-respected in the senate and in the country. it is beyond my comprehension. it is one thing in the white house that somebody to say something crude and stupid and disrespectful about an american hero. it is another thing for them not to apologize. it is beyond my comprehension.
i don't know what goes on in that white house mentality for there not being an apology for that terrible remark. >> john kelly asked about it being heartless to separate parents from children. he said i wouldn't put it quite that way. the children will be taken care of, put into foster care or whatever but they elected to come illegally into the united states and this is a technique no one hopes to be used extensively or for very long. >> i think it is heartless. i think the entire trump views on immigration is heartless. in the last polls that i have seen some 80% of the american people believe that we should provide legal status to the 1.8 million people in the daca program who are eligible for daca. that's a program that trump
killed. the american people believe we should move forward with comprehensive immigration reform and trump is moving in exactly the wrong direction. we see the cruelty of his immigration policies when you talk about the united states government separating children from their parents. we need to move aggressively and do what the american people want towards comprehensive immigration reform. >> senator, i want to ask you one of the major nominees on the docket, gina haspel. you have announced your opposition to that pick. i have to ask, both gina haspel and john brennan were in the cia when enhanced interrogation techniques otherwise known as torture were used. a lot of people who oppose haspel nomination now voted yes when john brennan was nominated by president obama back in 2013 including you. why? why is brennan okay but gina
haspel is not? >> on this one i would agree with john mccain and tell you that i think -- and tell you what our leaders in the armed forces say. if the united states condones torture for other people then that subjects our own men and women who are captured to be tortured, as well. i think brennan did a good job in his position. i have serious reservations about this nominee and i will oppose her. >> but you didn't have reservations about john brennan. i guess my question is whatever reservations you have about gina haspel -- >> it's not just the issue of torture. it goes i think deeper than that and that is the foreign policy that we have seen from mr. trump
which was repeated today by john bolton, something that i also strongly disagree with. i voted against pompeo, as well. >> your former campaign manager will be joining us later on in the show out with a new book. he writes i believe sanders is the strongest candidate to reclaim the white house in 2020. his authentic message of positive change and appeal to broad range of voters gives democrats the best opportunity to put together a coalition that can reclaim elected officials. run bernie, run. it has a blurb from you right on the very top talking about how great this book is. run bernie run. are you going to follow jeff weaver's advice? >> i will urge everybody to read the book. it is a very good book. jeff did a great job for me in my campaign. we started in that campaign and i think three or five percent in
the polls and ended up winning 22 states and 13 million votes and jeff was one of the reasons we accomplished that. it's a good book. >> not really an answer to the question but i understand you don't like answering the question. >> jake, let me take this opportunity to wish my wife and all the mothers of this country a very happy mother's day. how is that? >> you went from a deflection to a pandering. i love it. thank you so much. appreciate it. have a good mother's day to jane, please. thanks so much for joining us. normally lawyers get you out of sticky situations but rudy giuliani seems to keep getting his client involved in more potential scandals. is he helping or hurting? that's next. to pay the price for loving you? you'll make my morning, but ruin my day. complicated relationship with milk? pour on the lactaid. it's delicious 100% real milk, just without that annoying lactose. mmm, that's good.
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private that we would never say publically. i am disappointed that someone would undermine the president by leaking that out of a private meeting. >> that was office of management director defending white house staffer after the joke she made about senator john mccain dying became public. my panel is here with me. we have two authors here. one of them jeff weaver former campaign manager for bernie sanders with his new book how bernie won inside the revolution that is taking back our country. amanda carpenter, the author of -- >> gat lighting america. why we love when trump lies to us. >> two books for mother's day. >> let me start with you. what do you make of the fact that not only do we have people in the white house refusing to
apologize for this horrific comment, this joke made about senator john mccain dying of brain cancer but seemingly more upset about the leak than the comment? >> happy mother's day to all mothers. >> two mothers on the panel. thank you for being here. >> you know, when i think about this country and all that it represents what we are currently hearing and seeing is not the america that i grew to love, the america that i worked hard for every day. john mccain really represents all that is good and right with this country. he has served this country as a war hero, was a prisoner of war, has come back and continued to serve in congress. i have a ton of respect for him. to say the comment in public or private is totally wrong. but if you make a mistake the
america that i know apologizes. if the atmosphe if it was said just say i apologize for it, it was wrong. >> can we address -- >> she said in a private meeting i stand with kelly saddler. in this private meeting with sarah huckabee sanders talking to communications staff more upset apparently about the leak. >> a horrible joke. for people to say i stand with the staffer who did it. there is a big "new york times" profile who told america they stood with donald trump in duty to their country. you are never going to make america great again when you trash the legacy of someone like john mccain who has done more for this country, served more, suffered more than anyone in that white house ever did. spare me the fake outrage over a
bad white house correspondents dinner joke. >> i can't imagine anyone i know making that joke in private. it's so cruel. he is dying of brain cancer. it is horrible. >> we have seen bad jokes in private and public. i think the white house is looking at the leak because there are so many leaks out of the white house. i understand that kelly called megan mccain and apologized to her. i think if this was a comment said on the record by the white house they would absolutely have to apologize. this is a leak by some people who are working hard to undermine this president. i don't think it is white house's responsibility to apologize for it. >> this tone is set at the very top. we remember when donald trump was insulting not only john mccain but every american service member who has been a prisoner of war as part of their service during the campaign when he said i prefer people who
didn't get captured. this tone is set at the top. the white house owes an apology to john mccain and all other service members. >> mccain has for a long time been a combative senator and done things to undermine this president. you have to understand that not everybody on this planet loves john mccain. at this point in time we need to let his family and the senator -- >> it's really disappointing, though, when the target suddenly becomes john mccain and not the person who made the comment or the person who stands with them. it may have been said in private but it is public now. making a private phone call to apologize is not enough. apologize publically. it's the right thing to do. >> let the family be in peace. this is the second phone call megan mccain has to take from someone apologizing.
rather than spending precious moments with her family she has to take the time to listen to these people apologize and then go in the spot light and have everybody one watch her response. a lot of people go through these terrible situationwise family who have cancer but to do it in the public spot light and then pretend you are the good guy because you called to apologize. >> mitt romney who is running for senate in utah tweeted after this comment, quote john mccain makes america great. those who mock such greatness only humiliate themselves and silent accomplices. that is a strong statement for mitt romney. >> mitt romney has a habit of making strong statement whz it comes to mocking or coming out against the white house. politics ain't bean bag. this is a difficult arena. john mccain has been punching
with the best of them. >> i think it was a joke made in bad taste. it wasn't a joke made in the public arena. we don't know it took place. it is a leak. the white house needs to get a handle on who is leaking out of that place. this stuff is absolutely outrageous. >> the problem they have at the white house, the reason they have leaks is because nobody has loyalty to the principle. he stands for nothing. they are giving the country away to the rich and the powerful. you didn't see this leaking in the bush white house and the obama white house because people had a common purpose. there is no common purpose. it's a feeding frenzy. >> is that one of the problems here? >> a comment that rudy giuliani made sticks with me when he described jared kushner as possibly disposable in the russia investigation. anyone not helpful to their agenda is disposable.
keep in mind the context of this discussion. they were talking about john mccain's opposition to the cia nominee who has a record supporting enhanced interrogation techniques. that is why they said he is dying anyway. he suffered through those kinds of torturous techniques and said he is disposable. >> happy mother's day to you. thank you for being here. it's mother's day. while every mom deserves to be celebrated raising kids in a white house comes with unique challenges. we'll talk about that next. stay with us. so allstate is giving us money back on our bill. well, that seems fair. we didn't use it. wish we got money back on gym memberships. . with claim-free rewards. switching to allstate is worth it. ...to give you the protein you need . . i'll take that. [cheers]
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to you, happy mother's day. what does it take to raise a child in the white house? well, first lady melania trump's predecessors offer some tips. >> in addition to all her other challenges, first lady melania trump also has to raise a son at the white house. >> as a mother myself, i know what goes into raising a child. >> she's always said she tries to provide as much normalcy as possible. reportedly checking her son's homework and preparing him for school. >> i like to keep it -- life as normal as possible for my son, barron. >> but as melania's predecessors learned, it's tough being first mom. >> they've got to be able to function as normal people. >> before melania the last first lady to raise a boy in the white house was jackie kennedy. >> it is rather hard with children. there's so little privacy. i don't mind for myself, but i think it's very hard with them.
>> on the plus side, there's a lot of space for entertaining. >> lots of slumber parties. lots of special occasion parties here. and just all the time we could, we spent with her friends up in the second and third floor, which are the personal private family parts of the house. >> and although this first family is used to a lavish lifestyle, growing up amidst 18 acres of history is special. >> we love to live in washington. >> former first lady laura bush spoke about the example she tried to provide for her daughters. >> i think if we want our children to have healthy lifestyles, we need to show them how to do it so they can really imitate our lives. >> and melania has recently introduced a platform, which includes teaching children kindness. >> and it is our responsibility as adults to educate and remind that when they are using their voices, they must choose their words wisely and speak with respect and compassion. >> a task no doubt complicated
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