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that's it for us, thank for watching "360." time for don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts now. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. we have breaking news on the russia investigation. former fbi official andrew mccabe feared that rod rosenstein helped provide president trump with a cover story for the firing of james comey. so he wrote a secret memo about it last spring. a memo that's now in the hands of robert mueller, as the "new york times" reported. more on what that secret memo said in just a moment. it comes on a day where the president finally weighed in on the controversy over roseanne barr's racist tweet, and just
couldn't resist making it all about donald trump. president trump say that undeniably racist tweet comparing valerie jarrett to an ape and decided he was due an apology tweeting, quote. bob iger of abc called valerie jarrett to let her know that abc does not tolerate comments like those made by roseanne barr. gee, he never called president donald j. trump to apologize for the horrible statements made and said about me on abc. maybe i just didn't get the call. there does seem to be something he didn't get. the president seems to think he's the victim here. he thinks he deserves an apology, even though he's never apologized for one word of this. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapist. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut down of
muslims entering the united states. you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. you had people in that group -- excuse me, excuse me, i saw the same pictures as you did. wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners, when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a [ bleep ] off the field right now. out. he's fired. he's fired. >> that is pure racism. the president is using that racism to appeal to his base. we're learning tonight that in a phone call last fall with dallas cowboys' owner, jerry jones, the president said, quote, this is a very winning strong issue for me. that is according to "the wall street journal". another example of this president framing everything in terms of whether or not it is a
win for him. but this is not a game. don't forget donald trump's entire political career was founded on the racist birther lie that barack obama was not born in this country. a lie that he reportedly still believes. all that probably explains why the president has failed to don democrat the blatant racism of roseanne's tweet. and instead, sent sarah sanders to double down today. >> the president simply calling out the media bias. no one's defending what she said. the president is the president of all americans and he's focused on doing what is best for our country. >> what is best for our country would actually be condemning racism in all forms. not what aboutism, not, i'm the victim. roseanne appears to be having some trouble understanding that, too. tweeting today, quote, i'm not a racist, i never was and never will be. one stupid joke in a lifetime of fighting for civil rights for all minorities against network
studios, at the expense of my nervous system, family, wealth, will never be taken from me. well, you can't wash away a racist attack by calling it a stupid joke. there's nothing funny about it. and roseanne is not a victim. she is paying the price for what she did. and in that, she's got something in common with another '90s superstar. one whose legacy is tarnished as well forever. how the mighty have fallen. much more on that in a little bit in the show. i want to get to some significant breaking news. this is on the russian investigation. i want to bring in dana bash, ryan lizza and jack quinn. good evening, a lot to get to. dana, you first. the former fbi director, andrew mccabe, in a secret memo he apparently felt that deputy
attorney general rod rosenstein helped the president with a cover story for the comey firing and here's the kicker, mueller has the memo. that's big. >> it is potentially big, don. there's no question. a couple things though to unpack here. first of all, we knew, because it was in public, at least the initial reason for firing james comey came from a memo prepared by rod rosenstein. remember back then, that it was actually taken from kind of an internal memo, an internal report on james comey's actions as fbi director, a critique. and realtime, we reported that that was kind of the -- the ultimate explanation that they used after an initial memo written with the president and stephen miller that was a lot more explicit saying we're firing james comey because of
several things, including russia. we understood this was part of the explanation because it was in public. what andrew mccabe apparently has done in these memos was talk about the fact that it wasn't just about the conflict that james comey had in overseeing the hillary clinton e-mail investigation, but he initially talked about russia as well. we'll see how sort of inflaming those -- and how bad those are for the president ultimately when we see what robert mueller has. but i think in the short term we also have to remember that andrew mccabe is somebody who had a conflict with rod rosenstein, who didn't always see eye-to-eye with a lot of people inside the fbi, and obviously we also know that he is the subject of his own inspector general report that didn't do so well. so, there are a lot of
conflicting characters and story lines that robert mueller understands he has to sift through. >> talk about shakespearean here. let's unpack this more, jack. andrew mccabe recounts a conversation with rod rosenstein. here's what he told "new york times." they said, but in the meeting at the justice department mr. rosenstein added a new detail. he said the president had originally asked him to reference russia in his memo, the people familiar with the conversation said. so, jack, the rosenstein memo was about comey's handling of the investigation, but the president wanted the memo to mention russia. does that reveal the true reason for the president's firing james comey? >> i think it bolsters the reasons that are out there and that have manifest. i don't know who, you know, in this country thinks the firing of james comey did not have to do a great deal with the issue of the russia investigation. the president has acknowledged that to lester holt.
he has acknowledged that in any number of situations. rudy giuliani has acknowledged it. it's inescapable that the russia investigation was paramount on his mind when he chose to fire james comey. he told these russian officials in his office that's why he fired him, and that the pressure was relieved by his so doing. i think -- you didn't ask me this, but i think andrew mccabe's fingerprints are all over the "new york times" story. i think this story is something of a shot across rod rosenstein's bow. >> exactly. >> and, you know, i think in addition this -- you know -- it was calculated to enhance bob mueller's role. i don't know who -- for one thing, i sure hope rod rosenstein isn't conflicted out of this investigation.
not because, you know, i have any fondness for him, but because i think it would be a nightmare if the deputy attorney general had to be replaced in the middle of this. >> okay. i want to bring ryan in. ryan, jack mentioned what the president said to lester hot. let's bring that back, play that and then we'll discuss. here it is. >> regardless of recommendation i was going to fire comey, knowing there was no good time to do it. in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made-up story, it's an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election that they should have won. . >> okay, rain. so your turn. russia, this is another example of him saying, russia was on my mind here. >> yeah, jack laid it out. this new report by the "new york times" gives us one more data
point where trump very specifically told someone he was taking this action because of russia. we don't know a lot more than russia, the "times" report doesn't spell out, it doesn't go further than that. but the word russia was mentioned to rosenstein according to this report. we had giuliani recently saying it was about russia. we have trump telling lester holt it was about russia. we have trump telling the russian officials in the oval office that it was about russia. >> but it wasn't about russia. >> but still the official reason was that comey was too mean to hillary clinton during the 2016 election. it's laughable when you say it like that, but that's what the rod rosenstein memo was. right. he said comey abused his office by being mean to hillary clinton. and so, it was laughable at the
time, nobody believed that. the question is, does this all add up to obstruction of justice? and, you know, that's the legal debate we're going to be having going forward. >> can you hold that on the other side, i need to get to the brach. break. jack, thank you very much. dana and ryan stick around. president trump has a long list of grievances against abc. a really long list but should the president really be expecting any apologies when he never seems to apologize for anything, anything that he has said? discover card. hey, i'm curious about your social security alerts. oh! just sign up online and we'll alert you if we find your social security number on any one of thousands of risky sites. that sounds super helpful. how much is it? well, if you have a discover card, it's free. no way! yes way! we just think it's important for you to be in the know. all right! hey... ewww! everything ok? being in the know is very good. yeah, it is. ooo don't shake! don't shake! ahhh!
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discussion is david swirdlick. let's start with you then, president trump didn't denounce roseanne's racist tweets. instead, he went after abc for apologizing to valerie jarrett and making it all about him. me me me me me? >> yeah, he made it about himself but also he missed an opportunity to change the tonight that's been the tune for whole time he's been president and when he was running for president, that he did not have a true regard for trying to be the leader of all americans. he's missed so many of these opportunities. we're at the point now where if you can't take a clearly racist tweet by roseanne barr, and simply say as president, look, either not say anything at all or condemn it in the strongest terms, the message you're sending to people is either, a, that i at least partially
think there's some merit of this kind of tone, or you're at least saying, i don't care enough about the feelings of the people offended by this tweet and frankly all americans should be offended by this tweet to take a stand as the head of state, as the leader of the free world, as the president of the nation to make a statement about it. you're leaving people with the opportunity to then say, well, the president clearly doesn't care about this, doesn't have the right view on this for the leader of the kind of society that americans believe they should have. >> dana, that's a good point. it's so simple, the roseanne barr show spoke to people who don't normally have a voice, her tweet don't speak for majority of americans and we should condemn it, and we should get this out of the way. >> done. >> why make it all about him? >> that's the presidential statement that would have happened under any other circumstance. as i was listening to david talk, i was thinking about the definition of insanity.
this is a play on that. but it's to do something over and over again and expect a different result. in this case, it's to watch something over and over again and to expect a different result. i think in that way we're kind of all feeling that, are we insane to expect this different result? we shouldn't be. we should expect a president, any president of any party, any leader of this country to say, we condemn in the strongest terms anything that smacks of racism, and this did more than smack of it. but he doesn't do it. he just doesn't do it. i will expect, and i think all of us will expect that our leader will do that. and hope that it changes, but, i don't really put a lot of stock in that potentially happening. >> and yet, sarah sanders echoed the president today and offered a list of grievances the president has against abc. ryan, watch this.
>> where was bob iger's apology to the white house staff for jamall hill calling the president and anyone associated to him a white supremacist. where was the apology for kathy griffin going on a profane rant on "the view" after a picture showing her holding a decapitated head of the president. where was the apologize for attacking the president as a nazi and expanding the attack with a role of the president's family. this is the double standard that the president is speaking about. no one's defender our comments, they're inappropriate but that's the point they were making. >> i'm not sure ryan to defend abc, some of the things she was saying was a matter of context.
they were factually inaccurate. these are the tones that the president has taken to, taken the occasion about others, their needs, losses, sacrifices and making them about donald trump's own grievances or accomplishments, right? >> yeah, putting aside some of the stuff she said was factually incorrect, it's comparing apples to oranges. i think you can have a real problem with the gravity of what she's talking about versus what roseanne barr says. putting that aside, this is what we're talking about when we say what aboutism. right? the issue at hand is that one of donald trump's most prominent supporters -- not a prominent supporter. but a supporter of donald trump who he's had a friendly relationship with, said something that was offensive and racist that she lost one of the
highest rated shows in america. and the president doesn't have to weigh in on that, right, the white house doesn't have to weigh in on that, they might think it's not important. but to make a decision to weigh in on it, and then the lead, your top line statement is not just at the beginning a condemnation that is both incompletely predictable. and still sort of shocking. we are used to presidents treating racism a certain way. and to dana's point a second ago, as soon as roseanne tweeted that, i think all of us could have written the script for the last 24 hours without getting most of these details wrong. you could have -- you knew she was going to get fired, you knew the outrage that was going to ensue, you knew trump was going to handle it in some horrible way that was different than a normal president. >> yeah. >> it's sad that it's that
predictable because we knew this was going to happen and we're getting used to this. >> david, two thing. you can't say well maybe he didn't have to respond to it, but he did sort of, you know, elevate, if you will, roseanne by saying, oh, well the show speaks -- she gets us, look at her ratings. and then there's the other issue, he has a track record of inappropriate and disrespectful statements. watch this. >> some of the media's terrific, but most of it, 70%, 75% is absolute dishonest, absolute scum. remember that. scum. wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners, when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a [ bleep ] off the field right now. out, he's fired. the poor guy, you got to see this guy, oh, i don't know what i said, i don't remember. he's going i don't remember, maybe that's what i said. he's a war hero because he was captured.
i like people that weren't captured, i hate to tell you. when mexico sends its people they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapist and some i assume are good people. >> the media's saying mean thing about me. but did you hear what he said? where are the apologies for any of those comments, david? >> and we won't get one. the navajo code talker events, the birtherism, the list is too long to name. the president never acknowledges those, he mischaracterizes some of those other people that sarah sanders were attacking, they didn't say things on the level of what roseanne barr tweeted. and then, finally, again, you're the president of the united states. if you didn't want to bring people together in these moments, you shouldn't have run for the job. that is part of the job.
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president trump wasn't the only reality tv star in the white house today. kim k. made her way to the oval office. i'm talking about kim kardashian. there she is standing next to the president. the president tweeting, great meeting with kim kardashian today on prison reform. she tweeted, i would like to thank president trump this afternoon, it is our hope that the president will grant clemency to miss alice marie johnson whose serving a lifetime offense for a nonviolent drug-related crime. let's discuss, van jones is here, april ryan. >> april, what do you know about this meeting with the president and kim kardashian on prison reform? we know this is a key issue for jared kushner. >> well, what i do know, you know, the white house didn't want to leak out any information.
as you just said it yourself, she has an issue that she wants to -- or person that she wants basically pardoned. here's the issue, this is a hard issue for jared kushner. because his father was in prison. but at the same time, this is part of the urban agenda that we've talked about that this president wants to roll out. he is bringing in people from everywhere to include people like mark leal, the head of the national urban league who says, there are areas that we can push back, but there are areas we can find common ground on. mark and the national urban league work on job training and thing of that nature. then you have hill lawmakers, who are working with the administration on possibly helping to get something to move forward. the devil is in the details. it's about, for this white house, it is about prison reform, it is not about sentencing reform. sentencing reform and prison
reform again are like fraternal twins. you have to be sentenced going to prison. a lot of people talk about prison being -- privatization making money, profitability on it. the issue of sentencing the white house is saying jeff sessions didn't want anything to do with it. you have congressional black caucus members are saying all the white house has to do is listen to republican senator grassley, as it relates to the reduction in sentencing and go with that. they don't want to do it. >> this is something that van jones has knowledge about. you support a prison reform bill, that recently passed the house. speaking to what april just said, do they recognize a tremendous racial disparities not only in this but the sentencing, too?
>> a couple things, can we just say hats off to kim kardashian for going to the white house and trying to get something done. miss alice has been in prison since 1996 for a first-time drug offense, she's 66 years old, and she can never get parole. the idea that kim kardashian, people have always underestimated her. she's not a household name because she's a dummy. she's using her marketing to try to -- >> van, van, van she's a household name for something else. >> i think it's a good thing if she does it, i saw the cover of the new york post and i thought it was appalling. could we put it up. joan, i don't know if you -- >> i saw it. >> she's using her platform for good, for them to put a kim thong un it's so disgusting, you take stormy daniels seriously but you don't take kim kardashian seriously who's trying to do something good? >> i'm glad she's trying to do something good.
i would say trump has said worth things about her in the past. she's there trying to do something good. april makes the point that they are detaching this from sentencing reform, and we need sentencing reform. van, i've known van since he was working on these issues in san francisco. >> 20 years ago. >> 20 -- maybe not 30. >> 25. >> 25. so it would be important -- the conditions in prison are appalling the fact people can't get out, there's no rehabilitation. if we can find common ground on this one issue, i'd be happy with that. >> i want to play something we heard from president trump in his rally in nashville. watch this. >> remember when i make a speech and i talk about african-american, and i'd say, highest crime rate, bad education, i'd go ten points and they always voting,
african-american votes for democrats for the most part. vast majority. they've been doing it for over 100 years. >> since 1960s, 50 years. >> also can we say -- over 50 years. african-americans were traditionally republican because they were the party of lincoln. dr. king, daddy king was a republican. first of all, he gets the facts wrong. many black people couldn't vote until 1965. and he gets the facts wrong again because there used to be a huge black consistency to the republican party that they kicked out. they literally kicked out. >> that is important van, that's important for people to know. there are probably people here in this country and supporters who think african-americans have been voting for 100 years. they should know, no, it has been about 50 years, and even then, you had to count the number of jelly beans in a jar. you had to recite something
backwards -- all kinds of -- >> all kinds of barriers to voting. i think what trump is trying to do, though, is something we should take very seriously. there is a push for trump to try to split off some number of african-americans. the prison reform effort may be a part of that. as much as i like the prison reform effort, there could be a political calculation. also, you have, i think coming up very soon a big outreach to african-american business owners. you're going to see these out reaches and t going to be up to african-americans to determine -- we might agree on policy things but politically can we support administration that on the one hand might give you a policy but then dehumanize you. >> that's a real question, especially when he's in nashville and it doesn't seem like he can get beyond campaign mode. and if he could get down to real issues that affect
african-americans and also learn the history of african-americans voting in this country. it could make a difference. i don't know if it's too farfetched. what do you think? >> history's important. this president traveled to the african-american history museum on culture. he had an abbreviated tour. he needs to have someone in his camp to understand the nuances of the black community. it's not just cut and dry. it's not just i see it and that's it. it's hundreds of years from the times when blacks were brought in the bellies of ships making the middle package to this country. last night in nashville, the president was talking about blacks and voting, that is a subject that many of the members of congressional caucus is upset about, in particular jeff sessions is not friendly to the idea of voting rights of black people. van was talking about going into african-american businesses. there is a big issue when it
comes to access to capital in the black community. and minorities, things of that nature, infrastructure for schools. there's so many issues that are on the table. the question is, how will this administration listen? will they really have the ear and heart to listen. it's not just about legislation and policy, it's about heart too. >> i did want to say on this justice reform issue, it is a good thing there's at least one issue. i got 99 conflicts with the administration but prison aren't one. there's one issue that might advance the cause of poor, african-americans, latinos and others. that we can get something done on. i also think that the dismissal of kim kardashian based on the mistake she made when she was a young woman. i'm tired of that. a lot of people have made that kind of mistake with a sex tape, but they have not gone on to build multibillion dollar businesses. if we believe in redemption, second chances, for 200,000 prisoners -- >> for everybody. >> let's do it for everybody.
let's applaud people when they do the right thing. for once, let's applaud people when they do the right thing. >> you stole my ending. i was going to add to that, like it or not, she does have black kids. >> yeah. >> in some ways she's looking -- >> listen, applaud the trump administration for dealing with this. i applaud kim kardashian. i will fight them on 99 issues but on prison, let's get this done. >> the devil's in the details. don't miss van jones show saturday night here on cnn. his guest this week, actor jim parsons and candice owens. >> gonna be hot. when we come back, is america more divided under president trump than it has been for 150 years? karl bern seen the -- carl bernstein thinks we're in the middle of a cold civil war. he'll explain that next. when i received the diagnosis, i knew,
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carl bernstein is here, max boot. good evening to both of you. fascinating what you're saying and what you wrote today, carl i'm going to start with you. the president tweeted six weeks ago, perhaps barack obama's biggest short coming as president is he failed to unite the country. you say this is a cold civil war in america. explain to me why you think this country is more divided under trump. >> well first of all, trump has not started the cold civil war that we're in but brought it to the point of ignition. where people on both sides of this cold civil war are dug in and there is scorched earth, particularly as max has pointed out in his column, disproportionately on the president's side they are dug in. what unites all the news we're
hearing and that you're talking about, is really this president is the president of his base, he's not the president of all the people of the united states. he does not aspire to appeal to the people of the united states as a whole. he intends to govern for the cult and the base that are his most avid followers. that's something unique in our history. max has a chair that he holds named after gene kirkpatrick, ronald reagan's u.n. ambassador. ronald reagan would never act like this. this is a new development in our cultural and political history in which we have a president of the united states who does not aspire to the leadership of the people of this country. >> i think that's right. what makes him so toxic he not only disagrees with the opposing party, he goes after their motives. in the last few days he's been
saying, nancy pelosi loathes u.s. 13. that's offensive to suggest that the majority leader of house loves a gang. you can differ with her stances, but you should not suggest that she is rooting for criminals. that is something that donald trump does routinely. >> why does he -- before i get to your column. this is what gets me, he says the nastiest things about people, about groups of people, about situations, everything, but in turn expects people to only report on him glowingly and have positive comments about him. and the people who support him the base that you said, expects the same thing. that makes no sense. what's happening here? >> i think you put your finger on this very interesting paradox. on the one hand they throw personal insults and accuse the other side of treason and then they also play the victim card. when ever somebody hits back at
them and criticize in return, and you saw that today from donald trump, he expects an apology from abc for all these things he finds offensive. and he says things that are ten times more offensive on a daily basis. >> he does not, max, i don't believe he expects an apology. he knows what he's doing. >> he's playing the victim card. >> he's deadly effective at it. his numbers have been go ing up the more he does this -- >> this will help you make your point. you say that this roseanne story, this tweet shows both sides of this war that you talk about. they asked some trump supporters what they thought about the cancellation of roseanne, watch this. >> i was really disappointed because you had so many people out here speaking their opinions of the president it's okay, so, "the view," cnn say whatever they want and get away with it. but roseanne barr makes a tweet, talking about someone whose trashy, and thought about two
people if they had a kid, beings obviously, apes if they had a kid, it would not be a person, and they want to cancel her show. it wasn't right. >> it was not a wise thing to say, but she apologized and i think that many many people have said horrible things, much worse to our president and vice president, and they haven't lost their television show, they haven't lost their movie. >> first guy, i have no idea what he was talking about, he probably doesn't know what he's talking about. i hate to be -- it's true, he's ignorant of the facts. the second lady, i'm sure she's a nice lady, but she's ignorant of the facts as well. >> the problem is the president of the united states not that women or man. >> have we gotten to that point where we can't agree that something is blatantly racist? >> yes, we're at that point. let me make a statement about
the president of the united states, who's failed in any moral or ethical leadership, particularly, he has trafficked in racism through his campaign. i'm not going to get in his head, i don't know whether in his heart he's a racist or not. he owned buildings in baltimore where he refuse to rent to african-americans. >> if he's not a racist, he's done a pretty good imitation of one. >> but he traffics racism and makes these racist appeals to his base. that again is where we always end up. now, why is it? because that is his political momentum and his ability to stay in office, should the mueller investigation become more and more problematic for him, which it is. >> and what's tragic here, is that conservatives who used to say that the moral tone set by the president really mattered. >> that's what you write about in your column.
you talk about the moral tone, it's connected. you said, this should not be such a radical idea for conservatives. they used to believe that the president's tone matter because it set a moral tone for the entire nation. now, all of a sudden it does not matter. >> exactly. they talked about how dangerous it was to have bill clinton engage in these sexual actions, but they have nothing to do when it's blatant and hatred coming from them today. >> i said the same thing that he traffics in re schism. look i don't know what's in david duke's heart, but i know what he says. i don't know what he's george wallace's heart but i know what he did and his actions. i don't know what's in donald trump's heart but i know what his says and his actions are. >> it's tragic that his supporters will not admit it. >> we'll be right back. memorial day event.o the s up to 40 percent off appliances.
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it talks about how president obama reacted in the wake of president trump's election with president obama wondering out laid aides, maybe this is what people want. i've got the economy setup well for him. no facts, no consequences. they can just have a cartoon. he added that we are about to find out just how resilient those institutions are at home and around the world. >> a last point is one that institutions and the rest of the world, we are going to find out how resilient they are because donald trump has tested them. again he has tested them through conduct. it's different than any other president including richard nixon. wave never had a president appeal to the lowest common
denominator in terms of who we are as a people. who incredibly day after day after day makes no attempt to appeal to our better natures, to our higher selves, to policies and our higher selves. >> and a president who is so unrelenting on his assault on the rule of law and the justice department. this was something richard nixon did in secret and every day we see president trump assaults on the fbi, the special counsel. he's in fact mobilizing his base around him. >> that's what the form were president said. no facts, no consequences. >> if the mueller investigation goes on, and what we know the president keeps saying no collusion, no collusion, in fact
we have evidence of an openness to collusion by members of his own family. eagerness to -- >> did you feel, carl, during watergate that the truth might never come out? >> yes, i think we both felt that at times. but we know more at this point in this investigation than we did at a similar -- >> okay, i want to play this because i think it's important because the president's supporters they're continually setting up this conspiracy theory, right, there's one really important republican who's just not buying it. watch this. >> i'm even more convinced that the fbi did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got, and it has nothing to do with president trump. when the president finds out what happens he's not just going to be glad but glad we have an fbi that took seriously what they heard.
i think the fbi if they were at the table this morning that rush a was the target and russia's intentions toward our country were the target. the fact that two people who were loosely connected to the trump campaign doesn't diminish the fact russia was the target not the trump campaign. >> of course this is another crazy trump conspiracy theory biting the dust. there's nothing to spygate, which is exactly what we knew or obama wiretapped him or unmasked aides or a conspiracy among fbi agents to frame him. it's one after another. even though these theories have no substance to them, nevertheless it's taking a toll with trump supporters when you see a peel like 17% of republicans support the mueller investigation, trump is basically throwing enough doubt
out there to cast the investigation into disrepute among his followers. >> he has thus far. but when you start to see people like trey dowdy, the tormenter of hillary clinton in benghazi say what he does, and you hear mitch mcconnell in the past week saying that the special prosecutor's investigation must be protected for the first time, there seems to be some real movement among some influential republicans to put a line down that donald trump can't cross. and that has got donald trump and rudy giuliani in particularly who's speaking in tongues these days -- that has the two of them so boxed up that if you talk to people in the white house, they tell you they don't know what to do about this fact, but the line may not hold. >> thank you, gentlemen. you can read max's column. president trump is normalizing
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