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they'll have to hope the gangs crumble, rather than escalate the fight. nick payton walsh, san salvador. >> we want to thank nick for that excellent, excellent report. that's it for me in "the situation room." "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. >> i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me. it is day number 496 of the trump presidency and today turns out to be a stunner. the president is showing himself in an unprecedented way. president trump said via twitter he will pardon dinesh d' sou so
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and may pardon martha stewart and rod blagojevich. trump has issued 18 pardons and most of them have been political maneuvers. so what message does he hope to send with this and who is listening? let's discuss. kara, let me begin with you. let's start with dinesh d'
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souza. >> he was convicted in 2014 of violating campaign finance laws. trump says he pardoning him because of select prosecution. that's also the same words that dinesh used at the time. his lawyer said he was singled out due to his criticism at the time. the u.s. attorney was preet bharara. he's the fourth person that the president has pardoned where most presidents wait until the end of their terms to start issuing pardons. >> renato, to you, a lot of people are saying it's not about the who but it's the what message, what signal this is sending. it's what the signal, you know,
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who's listening. could it be a message to the paul manaforts and the michael cohens and the mike flynns of the world? >> i think no question. i also think the president is trying to start a narrative suggesting that the justice department is unfair. if you look at the d'souza prosecution, the judge said they were all hat, no cattle. there was nothing to them. but it's a prosecution by the southern district of new york, the same unit of the justice department that is investigating michael cohen. and as to rod blagojevich, i watched both trieals, there is overwhelming evidence of his guilt of trying to set the former senator seat of president obama's but it's sending the message that he's claiming
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prosecutions are politically motivated and he's trying to use that as a way of sending a signal to people don't flip and frankly that this prosecution by robert mueller and by the justice department is somehow politically motivated. >> it is noteworthy the confluence of coincidences and perhaps not. we've been talking about blagojevich and martha stewart. rod blagojevich had a moment on "the apprentice" years ago. i know we lost, we did not win. but if you were looking at this like a baseball team, we're making progress. >> but you're making progress and you're running out of people. >> understand. >> so he sat in the hot seat. back to 2005, martha stewart had her own apprentice-like show, so there's that. on these two, the connections if you really start digging between
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also the fired fbi director james comey and the current special counsel robert mueller. >> what's very fascinating here is that james comey was the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york at the time that they prosecuted martha stewart for lying to investigators looking into her stock sale. his best friend prosecuted blagojevich. the other interesting thing is that the special prosecutor that looked into valerie plame's claims and that led to the prosecution of scooter libby, who was pardoned earlier this
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year. >> this is bizarre. >> it's an attack on the investigations, the prosecutions of d.o.j., especially southern district of new york. the crimes are just so key, corruption crimes, lying to campaign officials, this is what all of the people in the trump world have already been found guilty of or are being investigated for. it's just such a clear message. you also know that because he's doing that outside of the regular pardon office. there's a whose department that vets these things, they assemble the prosecutions and investigate the facts. he's completely short circuiting that. >> and it was sdny who green lit the raid on cohen. trump is in his second year of his presidency. he's in the middle of this investigation, it's entirely rare to be doing this, not to mention the fact that he's not going through the d.o.j. do you also see this as the
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president ignoring the rule of law, disrespecting the justice system? because you have the president saying the government has treated them unfairly and now he's pardoning someone who he thinks was treated unfairly by the government? >> i think it's more than ignoring the rule of law, he's undermining the rule of law. he's sending the message if you're someone who supports him, then the laws don't apply to you. if you're someone like dinesh, who makes claims, even after the judge said there's nothing to them, he continues to repeat false claims about the prosecution in this case. what the president is saying i don't care. this a departure of where the republican party what was been. james comey was a republican, pats fitzgerald, my former boss,
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was a republican. this is very much the president going against law enforcement and trying to turn his base against law enforcement, against the rule of law. >> i wanted to just read a tweet we have from someone on our show all the time. she said pardoning convictions for bribery and public corruption, blagojevich, and making false statements to the fbi, stewart, someone gave him a list of all the possible charges he's going to face and he's finding celebrities coon vibdnvf them to pardon." >> unless you can spin this as obstruction of justice evidence, there's nothing to be done about the fact that he's pardoning all these people and getting this
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message across. >> thank you all so much. let's now go live to michelle kosinski, who is standing by for the big moment involving this potential upcoming north korea summit. michelle? >> reporter: we're expecting secretary of state pompeo to be here in just a few minutes. we expect him to announce that kim jong un's right-hand man kim yong chol we expect to be heading to the white house we think tomorrow to hand a letter to president trump. apparently these meetings have been going so well -- >> michelle, story about that. not the best audio. what we're reporting is that the meetings with kim yong chol, this top spy and top member of this north korea delegation, has gotten the green light to go to deliver, hand deliver this
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letter to kim jong un to hand deliver this letter to president trump tomorrow. these are pictures from the two of them last night before this man here heads to washington for this big meeting at the white house tomorrow. also ahead, roseanne's ex-husband speaking out as the cancelled tv star keeps tweeting and suggests she's going to fight. and samantha bee making an outrageous remark about ivanka trump on tv in a scripted line. we'll talk about the double standard. i'm brooke bald went. go to priceline.
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any moment now, live pictures in new york. we'll hear the most up-to-day details on the once-cancelled summit between president trump and kim jong un. we'll hear from secretary of state mike pompeo holding this news conference. it's happening as we're now learning of a remarkable handoff set for the near future. we've learned that north korea's former spy chief is heading to washington, d.c. to meet president trump in order to personally hand over this letter from his boss, kim jong un. let's listen to the secretary of state. >> as you know, in addition to my meeting with vice chairman kim yong chol, we have people in singapore to prepare for president trump's and chairman kim's summit in singapore.
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i'm confident we're moving in the right direction. vice chairman kim and i discussed how our countries could come together and create their visions of the future that they have so clearly articulated. vice chairman kim yong chol is planning to go to washington to deliver a personal letter from kim jong un. it opens a front to lead to a new era of peace, prosperity and security. our two countries face a pivotal moment in our relationship in which it would be nothing short of traj togic to let this opportunity go to waste. in my opportunity, eye bei've b very clear that president trump's and the u.s.'s objection
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is well known, the complete denuclearization of the peninsula. president trump made it clear it kim jong un denuclearizes, it will lead to a brighter future for kim jong un. we think the united states and north korea can define a relationship by friendship and collaboration, not mistrust, fear and threats. we expect both leaders to enter the summit in singapore with their eyes wide open and with clear understanding of the possibilities for the future. if these talks are successful, it will truly be historic. it will take bold leadership from kim jong un, if we are to seize this once in a lifetime opportunity to change the course
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of the world. we believe chairman kim is the kind of leader who can make those decisions and in the upcoming weeks and month, we can test whether this is the case. i can take a couple of questions. >> our first question goes to nick wattiums from bloomberg. >> reporter: last night we were told the u.s. would be looking for an historic commitment before going forward. today you ended talks with kim jong un early. did you get the commitment you sought and do the u.s. and north korea agree now on what denuclearization would mean? >> we didn't end the talks early. we had a set series of items we wanted to make sure we covered, topics we made sure we were clear on in terms of what our
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expectations were and they were for us and we achieved that. this is a difficult challenge. make no mistake about it. there remains a great deal of work to do and we made progress here as well at the same time made progress in the other venues that conversations were taking place. we had all the time we needed today to make the progress achievable during our time here in new york city. >> our next question goes to michael gordon from "the wall street journal." >> reporter: sir, following up on that, senior state department official, same person that spoke to us last night, also indicated that the united states hopes to persuade north korea that its security doesn't depend on nuclear weapons. you've now had three meetings with him and spent some hours with him. do you feel that you've been successful yet in doing that? or is the difficult and settling of this issue why president
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trump is talking about having the possibility of two or three summits and not trying to break the back in a single meeting? >> the administration understands how hard this is. the effort now is to come to a set of understandings to convince of north koreans of what president trump has said. if we're able to achieve it, if the north koreans are prepared to denuclearize, if we can convince them there their security is greater and the real threat of their security is the continuing hold on to that nuclear weapons program and not the converse. we've had lots of conversations around that. the true test comes when we actually achieve this but many conversations have been had about how we might proceed what
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the path might be forward so we can achieve the denew mexiuclean of what the world demands and the security that would be allowed to achieve that. martha raddatz. >> reporter: will we find out if it a go tomorrow? you looked the vice chairman in the eyes. you've been with him in the room. what accounted for the progress? this has been such a roller coaster ride. the summit was off. we've gone from fire and fury to this. talk about what accounted for the change and do you worry that you could still change back? >> so, martha, i've had a chairman to meet chairman kim jong un twice and now kim yong chol three times. i've spent a great deal of time
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with each of them. i believe they are contemplating a path forward where they can make a strategic shift, one that their country has not been prepared to make before. this will obviously be their decision. as i spoke about, they'll have to choose that is fundamentally different than the one their country has proceeded on for decades. it should not be to anyone's surprise that there will be moments along the way that this won't be straight forward, that there will be things that look hard and times it appears there's a roadblock and sometimes perhaps even perceived at insurmountable. our mission is incredibly clear. it to continue to push forward. the president has collected my to push forward to test the proposition. this is going to be a process that will take days and weeks to work our way through. there will be tough moments, there will be difficult times. i've had some difficult conversations with them as well. they've given it right back to
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me, too. we're decades into this challenge. so one not ought to be either surprised or frightened or deterred by moments where it looks like there are challenges and difficulties, things that can't be bridged. our mission is to bridge them so we can achieve this historic outcome. >> and on the summit, will we know tomorrow whether there will actually be a summit? >> our final question goes to adam shapiro from fox news. >> while we may not know tomorrow, we've made real progress in the last 72 hours toward setting the conditions. your question goes to what are the conditions. the conditions are putting president trump and chairman kim jong un in a place where we think there can be real progress made by the to of them meeting. it does no good putting them in a place where they can't get
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together. >> reporter: my question is about the impact on our allies. what concerns does the united states have about exposing south korea and our asian allies like japan to greater perhaps chinese influence if there is as part of a deal in the future a drawdown of u.s. military presence in south korea? >> i'm not going to talk about today nor at at any time during the negotiations about the elements of what the shape of the agreement looks like. those are things that ought to be held so that the leaders have all the freedom they need to make the right decision. so with respect to the drawdown, it's obviously a d.o.d. issue. i'm not going to speak to that today. what i can say is this -- i've been the secretary of state now for 30-odd days, i think, there is no daylight between the south
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koreans, the japanese and the united states with how we revolve this issue. i've spoken to my counterparts there, i've spoken to president moon. we understand their concerns, we understand the risks that can be posed to them and an agreement that we reach will provide an outcome that each of those countries can sign on to as well. >> reporter: but if there's a potential for the creation, for lack of a better term, that the vacuum that the chinese put down -- >> the chinese are moving all around the world today. let's be clear. the risk of that is real, everywhere, not just in this particular space. we're keenly aware of it. i am confident that the things we're talking about with respect to north korea will not enhance the risk of that to any significant degree. we wouldn't do that to the south koreans or the japanese, two of our most important allies in the region. >> thank you so much.
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>> so here we have the secretary of state, mike pompeo, standing there, having now spoken with the top member of the delegation, this top spy, who has been in new york and is going to hand deliver, who he kept referring to as chairman kim, tomorrow to the president. using words like the u.s. objective complete, verifiable complete denuclearization of the peninsula, that is a requirement by the u.s. i have christiane amanpour with me to look ahead to this monumentous moment. christi
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christiane, he wanted to put kim jong un and president trump in a place where progress can be made. what does that mean? >> that means they don't want the president to go and have a meeting with the north korean leader and coming out and achieving very little or going in with positions so far apart that they actually come out still so far apart. so he's absolutely correct. a secretary of state or the people around need to make sure there's enough meat on the bones that the leaders can actually go in and come out and say something substantial and achievable. i thought it was really very interesting. he's quite upbeat, he says he's had good meetings, that they have put down their red lines and their conditions and the north koreans know exactly what the united states expects. but he still says it's very difficult, there are a lot of challenges, it's going to take a lot of time. he says this has been a very difficult issue for decades, thus sort of confirming what other presidents have said.
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president trump said how come no other american president has been able to deal with this? now they're seeing firsthand this is extremely complicated. what is complicated? in the words of the south korean president, the total lack of trust is the biggest hurdle to getting these sides together and getting anything meaningful down. the south korean president said that after meeting with the north korean leader just in the last couple of days. the biggest issue is convincing them that denuclearization must take place and they'll be more secure, not less secure without nuclear weapons. and i'll throw into that what president trump said today, we mean ballistic missile as well. so the whole kit and ka boodle is what the u.s. wants, though i think they know now it will take more than one meeting.
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you heard pompeo said this is in their national security interest and not against it. >> what can be in this letter from kim jong un to president trump? >> remember how far we've come in a week. because a week ago the summit was off. >> that was a week ago? >> it feels like a year ago. it followed very incendiary comments from a senior north korean official about the vice president. here you have the secretary of state meeting face to face with a north korean official in new york city, on u.s. soil. and you have a north korean official who will be allowed outside new york city to go to washington. >> there's a 25-mile radius. >> there is. because the u.s. has no diplomatic relations with north korea. they cannot go farther than 24
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miles. the president has given them a waiver to travel to the white house. >> i didn't know about that. >> the most remarkable thing was to see trump sitting across from kim in singapore if this goes forward. we heard secretary pompeo there saying things are moving in the right direction. what's interesting and the most revealing answer in that press conference is when secretary pompeo was asked in effect what changed? not just what changed in the last week but what changed to lead the trump administration to believe that there's a chance that north korea will go down this path of denuclearization? and he said, carefully worded, secretary pompeo has been around a long time, he knows how to answer questions like this. i believe they are contemplating to make a path forward. contemplating. he hasn't said to him the new mexico are out of the country tomorrow, which is completely verifiable. his answer to that question was i think they're thinking about
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it and we're convincing them. >> is the i think we're thinking about it good enough to sit in front of -- >> that's the decision of the president. it is a risk. even if they agree in these meetings, north korea is fond of and has a lot of experience changing their mind. it a risk for the president to fly over there. what if kim says i'm not going to survive this, i'm going to take a 180. it possible. >> christiane, we've been familiar with people -- people familiar with nukes and not one of them has said, yes, we'll say bye-bye to nukes. >> the north koreans have said
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denuclearize the peninsula. the u.s. is considered to have its nuclear umbrella over south korea and the allies in japan and et cetera. so when up until now, whenever the north koreans have said denuclearization, they mean everybody. so i think that's the issue. the other interesting thing is there were a lot of people who said that perhaps, and it was as jim said a week ago, that president trump basically pulled out after the comments by north korea and though he did leave that opening in the letter, didn't he, he said if you change your mind, call, write, we would like to have this meeting take place because it's good for the same of the world. and it is good for the same of the world. we want talk, we want negotiation, we want deescalation in a way that is a diplomatic one and not a military escalation. so that's good. it's very kind of cart before
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the horse again. generals and leaders generally don't meet until all the issues have been itemized and agreed and they've done it all and they come in, shake hands, sign the book and press conference and we have this incredible thing going forward. that's not the case. it ba it's backwards. so what they're doing this week is try to reduce that very big space between what north korea wants and what the u.s. wants. however, north korea has already made a strategic shift in the words of chairman kim, he's already been telling his people we are a nuclear power, now i will keep my promises to make this an economic reform in this country and help you guys out. i'm sorry i haven't done it before. that's what he said. i'm sorry i haven't yet done it. i will do it. in order to do it, he need a meeting and a deal with the u.s. he needs the sanctions off.
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>> to christiane's point, the iran negotiations played out over more than two years, multiple meetings at multiple lower levels to bridge those severe differences. and keep in mind iran did not have nuclear weapons. there was no a face to face, rouhani and obama. as christiane was saying court before the horse. can you imagine trying to bridge those differences in two weeks rather than two years? it's remarkable. >> but they won't, they won't. they won't be able to. you heard president trump, we heard secretary pompeo. we shouldn't raise those expectations.
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north korea said this is going to be a phased -- you heard president trump say this could be more than one meeting. and obviously that's going to be the beginning of what happens. >> as the president teed that up is that, well, there may be one than one meetings he is adjusting expectations as well. >> listening to the experts finally. the letter from kim jong un is entirely correct. president trump sent a letter, now kim jong un is sending a letter. it's very formalized, it's very ritualized and it diplomatic. >> those photos tomorrow will be rich. thank you all very much. >> samantha bee now apologizing to ivanka trump after calling her the "c" word last night on her tv show. the statement and the double standard next.
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>> donald trump is a loser. trump is indeed f'ing crazy. as mindless and as evil as the baboon's policy is, it can and will be rolled back sooner or later. his policies all hang to the if you just keep issing yourself what would have happened here in this country if the germans had won world war ii? i'm talking about the man himself now. his brain does not work correctly. there is a myriad of possible explanations and we have hit them all here, congenital disease, drug use, any of a dozen post-concussion traumas, seen it senility. >> you said trump and his family have done more damage to america than bin laden and isis
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combined. >> yes. >> in addition to telling the president to go to hell, he has spewed the following to describe trump and his family, f word, a mother f 'er, a nazi, and often tells the president to go f himself. by the way, these are all recent comments. but despite all of this, he just got another plum job. and on a network owned by our parent company, liberal tv star samantha bee said this to millions of viewers. >> ivanka trump, who works at the white house chose to post the second most oblivious tweet we've seen this week. you know, that's a beautiful photo of you and your child, but let me just say one mother to another, do something about your
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dad's immigration practices you feckle feckless [ bleep ]. tell on something tight and low cut and tell your father to [ bleep ] stop it. >> imagine how liberals would have react if roseanne or another tv star would have used that language? calling anyone for that matter the "c" word is like i said at the top, it is outrageous, it is unacceptable and should be called out. she could have easily made her point without using those words, a point that, by the way, is totally lost because she used that language. doing this she is no better than the very behavior she criticizes. in fact, she becomes part of the problem. now like most entertainers who go political and get into hot
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water, she'll say, whoa, whoa, whoa, i'm just a comedian. the problem is, it doesn't work here. she's samantha bee. she's a role model to millions of women and young girls and to use that word, from a woman to another woman, offensive is offensive, wrong is wrong, whether you are on the left or the right. and what samantha bee did is not only beneath her, it is beneath where we should be as a society. and on this, we are just now getting a statement. i'm joined now by s.e. cupp, host of "s.e. cupp unfiltered" and brian, host of "reliable sources." you, sir -- >> we also just received a statement from her company, from tbs. here is bee's statement.
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she said i would like to sincerely apologize to ivanka trump and to my viewers for using an expletive on my show to describe her last night. it was inappropriate and inexcusable. i crossed a line and i deeply regret it." we also received a statement from tbs. how did this get on the air? tbs said bee has taken the right moves by apologizing. it should not been on the air. it's our mistake, too, and we regret it. no disciplinary reaction. >> it sat for five, six hours. it was scripted. no one else in her orbit said you shouldn't say that? >> that makes it worse than had it been a spontaneous sort of
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outburst. remember back when msnbc fired martin bashir for saying something about sarah palin? that was scripted. that kind of organization makes this worse, it was intentional. and for samantha bee who as you rightly noted that so many women find incredibly offense i, what she said wasn't just unacceptable, welcome to the misogyny club. she's joined by keith observlbe, that is a terrible club to be in and samantha bee just walked right into it for no reason other than pure unadulterated hatred of the president and his family. >> was it shock value?
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>> i think her point was a valid one about immigration and we should have a policy conversation. no one at this table is having it. i'm not having that conversation on my show tonight. we're talking about this tonight. >> what about this whole double standard? >> you mean liberal hosts able to get away with more? >> i don't think we should draw equivalen equivalents. what each did was bad and each different. we should separate them. in bee's case, why can't you make your point without resorting to those words and without going there. it's about the writers and producers as well. bee ultimately is responsible and tbs is responsible. it's notable they're saying they no that but not taking any action.
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>> i think brian is right, there's a spectrum when it comes to these offenses. you just played some of olberma olbermann's trump stuff. there is a long list of stuff that should disqualify him completely from getting a platform, yet he keeps getting fire and rehired. looking at that case, it's very difficult to say there isn't a double standard here. >> did you get something? >> the rest of the tbs statement. tbs is also saying what samantha b said was vial and inappropriate and that saying those words have not have been aired. that's how the company is choosing to respond. it's difficult to separate this from the abc case, but i do do wonder if bee will have to say
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and new fierce of a trade war. republican governor john kasich said this. >> i see they're going to put these tariffs on now on the europeans. it's no longer america first. what we're seeing now is america alone. i don't care who you are, how powerful you are, how rich you are, how famous you are, you're going to go alone. we're losing our world wide leadership and what we know to inspire people around the globe. >> you heard the governor saying it he is going it alone, irritating allies. a, what do you think of that? b, what if someone like the u.k. asks to be exempt? >> he's not just going it alone. he's making enemies out of friends. we've been through this process. there are other tariffs behind
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this where it looked as if our friends would be exempt and would only apply to other nations, most notably china. he said that's not the case, i think there are three countries, argentina, brazil and a couple others, maybe not, that will be exempt. but this applies to our major trading partners, and that means all of them. >> ben sass didn't hold back. he basically called the move dumb. do you agree? >> it's not smart, put it that way. what's missing here is a broader strategy. what is the strategy? is this just founding a way to fulfill a campaign promise where he can have something and say i'm getting tough against our trading allies, or is he really trying to do something that will make the overall u.s. economy better? he has not articulated what that strategy is. it just looks like he's shooting from the hip.
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in his campaign he did talk a lot about china and mexico. he didn't say we have to get tough against those dastardly europeans. he's a true believer in trade protectionism and we have to start taking him at his word on that. >> thank you very much. >> her show may be cancelled but roseanne is far from sigh leles going on quite a tirade. why her husband said he knew the show's reboot would not end well. i had a pe blood clot in my lung. i was scared. i had a dvt blood clot. having one really puts you in danger of having another. my doctor and i chose xarelto®. xarelto®. to help keep me protected. xarelto® is a latest-generation blood thinner that's... proven to treat and reduce the risk of dvt or pe blood clots from happening again. in clinical studies, almost 98% of patients on xarelto® did not experience another dvt or pe.
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