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int intimate spiritual reunion. wow. right? >> i wish you koinonia this weekend, my friend. >> thank you. thanks, poppy. >> so nice to have you here, brianna, from afar. thank you for being here. see you monday? >> great to be with you. i'll see you monday. "at this hour" with kate bolduan starts now. >> hello. i'm kate bolduan. do you hear that sound? yes, it is the economy. humming right along, folks. the may jobs report is out and good news for the country and the trump white house, 223,000 jobs created last month, the 92nd straight month of job growth. and the unemployment rate ticked down slightly to 3.8%. the last time it was that low, marvin gay's i heard it through the grapevine was a new release and we were about to land a man on the moon. did you also, though, i heard it again. i heard the noise again.
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that's the sound of donald trump not being able to keep a secre., would donald trump be looking forward to the release of a bad report? ponder that. one potential big economic cloud on the horizon, the president -- of the president's own making. three key u.s. allies are vowing to retaliate after president trump stopped them with stiff new tariffs. canada, mexico, the eu, targeting american products. christine romans is here with more. you know i don't know this stuff. that's why you're here. >> you do know this stuff. the economy is doing well here. it has been doing well for seven and a half years of consistent job creation. 223,000 net new jobs created in the month. that's a little better than economists expected. companies are hiring and paying more. 2.7% was the wage growth. you look at the unemployment rate this is the chart i love, it shows you just how well things have recovered here.
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3.8%, you said it, heard it through the grapevine. early 2,000, 3.8%. it is hiring across the spectrum in health care, business information services, retail, also manufacturing. this is the best sort of year for manufacturing job gains since 2011. what we're hearing from employers is in some cases they can't find enough workers. i think eventually you'll see wages have to increase, pay up to keep and retain good workers. >> on trade, canada, mexico, the eu, what are they going to do? >> big question here, why are we fighting with our friends. if the real problem is china, why are we fighting with our friends? our friends are fighting back. mexico says it will put tariffs on pork, fruit and cheese. the eu says it will be on denim, bourbon and motorcycles, to the heart of mitch mcconnell's home state, paul ryan's home state, paul ryan hates these tariffs. canada says they'll retaliate with steel and aluminum. the canadians really
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interestingly are so confounded by this. they say, look, we are not a national security problem. that is what the commerce department is saying, that the united states needs to put on tariffs because of the national security threat from the -- our friends here. when you look at these, i think this will be a problem for consumers, maybe things will rise one or two cents for a can of beer. that will be a consumer reaction and this is what the chamber of commerce says, they say if, for example, our talks over nafta completely collapse, we pull out of nafta, that's 1.8 million jobs lost right away and these are the kind of job losses you could see from some of the other trade moves of the white house is trying to make. >> a lot of republicans say, completely unnecessary. >> absolutely. the white house says this is america first, that the united states has been taken advantage for so long, they're trying to rewrite the playing field. a really, really powerful editorial taking apart the president's trade moves. mr. trump complains that
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lockheed's f-35s cost too much and now he's going to make fighter jets more expensive which could give russia an advantage. that's what the wall street journal's point of view is here. >> ahow are the markets responding to all of this? and the new jobs report today? money and politics correspondent cristina alesci is at the new york stock exchange. what are you seeing? >> the market popped on the open and it is holding steady, green across the board this morning. looks like we may erase some of the losses that we saw yesterday. we're up about 200 points, down yesterday 250 points on the dow at least. this is really positive reaction and that was helped by the strong jobs numbers that christine just ran through. the 223,000 jobs, the fact that we're at a low in unemployment, 18-year low, all of that bolstering the positive
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sentiment here, but bottom line, a larger context on this report is that it is a goldilocks unemployment report because it is not too hot that investors are concerned the fed may raise rates faster than expected, but it still shows the economy is very strong. when i'm talking to my sources on wall street, they're all scratching their heads, saying, look, the economy is on track. trump can be taking credit for this and he's injecting this uncertainty by picking a fight with our friends and causing a lot of ceos to really kind of get nervous and when you talk about business confidence, ceos want certainty, they want to know they can go out and make hiring decisions without fear of a possible trade war with our allies. >> great to see you, thank you. joining me to discuss this and more, a cnn global economic analyst, steven moore, cnn economic analyst and former trump campaign economic adviser.
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what is going on here? are you getting sick of winning yet? >> i am sick of america alone. america first, fine, america alone, not so great. to take the short-term news and midterm news, the economy is doing well, that's to be expected. we're at the tail end of a long nine-year recovery period. donald trump put a lot of fiscal stimulus in. but what are we doing over the next few years? what are we setting ourselves up for. we're picking fights with our allies. i've begun thinking about american trade policy, the administration in general, sort of pro wrestling. there is this fakeout, a lot of posing, chairs getting smashed. why is this happening? >> when i think of trade and i think of pro wrelsin iwrestling of steven moore. things are going so well, why is the trade war necessary? you don't think it is necessary.
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why doesn't the white house get it? >> i have to thump on my chest a little bit here. i remember a couple of days after the election, people said we would have a great depression because of trump's policies. clearly the economy is ramped up in a big way. it is a real tribute to the deregulation policies and the tax cut that trump did that i think have really -- by the way, we got another report out this morning, amazing on top of the lowest unemployment rate in 25, 30 years, the economy in april and may according to the federal reserve bank grew up 4.7%. that's a blockbuster number. so things are going well. i was over at the white house yesterday and i was -- my advice is, look, things are going so well right now with the economy. why would you want to upset this apple cart with tariffs right now? it just doesn't make a lot of sense. we have plenty of jobs in this country. trump wanted to, you know, protect a lot of blue collar manufacturing jobs, but they're coming back big time.
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we don't need tariffs right now. >> did you get an answer when you posed the question to the white house? >> well, you know, actually, you know, there is a lot of division at the white house right now over tariff policy. i would say half of the economists over there are very worried about what trump is doing, others support this. donald trump made the decision himself on these tariffs. my opinion is that if you want to pick a fight with china, which maybe it is the time to do that, it doesn't make a lot of sense to pick a fight with germany, japan, korea, mexico, canada. we need them on our side if we have a big trade dispute with china. >> and another element of this, you say it is a big deal or a small deal. you tell me. presidents don't comment about jobs numbers before the reports come out. they don't do it because they don't want to impact the market. donald trump tweeted today that 7:21, markets opened, not before 7:21, that's for sure.
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that's his tweet. looking forward to seeing the unemployment numbers at 8:30. what happens next month when he doesn't tweet ahead of -- >> exactly. i'm glad you're laughing. first of all, it is -- we are probably going to see the next couple of quarters not come in as strong as this. all of this is normalized this president communicates through twitter. there are tremendous splits in the white house. you get the sense particularly on trade, almost any policy issue that whoever the last person in the room was, that's who has the president's here and there is this lurching at a time when there is so much low hanging fruit for the u.s. to come together with europe now. i know you agree with this. there are legitimate trade fights to be had with china. china is a serial infringer. china is the real steel problem, not europe. we could find so much common ground right now with our allies, particularly germany, by the way, germany and china are now doing more trade than
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germany and the u.s. are doing. this is a time when europe has a lot of reasons to move closer to china, not the time to pick this fight. >> it seems that someone -- john kasich of ohio, listen to what he told me yesterday. >> i see they're going to put tariffs on now. on the europeans. it is no longer america first. what we're seeing now is america alone and i don't care who you are, how powerful you are, how rich you are, how famous you are, if you go alone, you're going to fall short. >> doesn't this also -- the moves against canada, the eu, mexico, canada and the eu in how essential they are in other areas, standing up against isis, standing up against iran, does this kind of standoff now bleed into everything else? >> i think that's interesting point when you bring in national security. the president is evoking national security in terms of
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slapping these steel tariffs on -- this is not a national security issue. he's doing that because using that provision gives the most leeway rather than going to the wto. we need european steel. we need our allies. in bigger fights around technology, around what artificial intelligence will look like. we need to come together with europe now and make sure that the west developed nations, europe and the u.s., are setting the rules. >> give me your final thought, steven. >> look, i agree with that. this is the time -- by the way, it is interesting that john kasich is from ohio. ohio is one of those midwestern industrial rust belt states that went, you know, with trump. and it is interesting because a lot of those voters, i was there with trump, a lot of the voters in the midwestern states, they like these tariffs. they're very suspicious of some of these trade deals, but we're seeing so many jobs in these states now, i'm not so sure that they are necessary, but people
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like rona and i have to do a better job explaining to blue collar workers why trade is good. >> maybe the president should -- that should be tasked with the president, why trade is good. come on. you shouldn't have to just -- i would say, steven, it is not your job. >> tariffs or taxes. >> you need a different tactic. we're talking about pro wrestling. get some chairs, and you need to get in there. okay. >> folding chair. >> i'm not promoting violence. make it look like a wwe match. >> it is the only -- it is only the third inning in this baseball game. and how this -- >> you're switching metaphors here. >> i love a mixed metaphor. i'm just looking for the seventh inning stretch. we have got a lot more innings. i don't know if we'll all be able to have the stamina for it. thank you so much. you've been screwed. is the president sending a message to the people wrapped up in the russia investigation?
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live look right there at the u.s. coast guard headquarters where president trump is expected to speak any moment now at a change of command ceremony. the secretary of homeland security is there and she'll be introducing him. we're keeping an eye on that and this. president trump is using executive power with an open are-like flair these days. you get a pardon, you get a pardon, everyone gets a pardon. the latest winner, dinesh des z d'souza who pleaded guilty. trump claims d'souza got a raw deal from the government. he went around the justice department and fast tracked a pardon. he talked this morning about how he learned the news. >> i was in my office working away and the operator came on
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the line and said, is this dinesh d'souza? yes. hold the line for the president of the united states. and there was trump. and the president said, dinesh, you've been a great voice for freedom. and he said that i got to tell you man to man, you've been screwed. he goes, i've been looking at the case, i knew from the beginning it was fishy. but he said upon reviewing it he felt a great injustice had been done and that using his power he was going to rectify it, sort of clear the slate, and he said he just wanted me to be out there to be a bigger voice than ever defending the principles that i believe in. >> president trump is also hinting he might pardon martha stewart and the disgraced former governor of illinois rod blagojevich who is still doing time for his conviction. both celebrities know donald trump personally and happened to have worked with him on the apprentice. is that a big side note though?
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let's see. let's go to kaitlan collins at the white house. >> reporter: the white house is denying the president is sending any kind of signal here to people like paul manafort and michael cohen with the pardons. it is hard to deny that forgiveness is clearly in the air. the president doesn't plan on stopping pardoning people anytime soon. just after yesterday he had this unexpected announcement he was giving dinesh d'souza this full pardon, someone who say conservative, also floated conspiracy theories. the president was talking about other people he might pardon as we well. the president did not note dinesh d'souza, never met him before, he said, and hadn't spoken to him until this week as you heard from dinesh when the president called to surprisingly let him know he was going to be pardoning him. the question of these random
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seemingly random pardons comes from is the president just going to pardon people he doesn't know or is he also keeping in mind people he does know who are also facing other federal charges and including his former campaign manager paul manafort and people like michael cohen. we know before the president was asked, he was considering pardoning michael cohen, if that would come up, if it came to that. the president snapped at a reporter who asked that and said it was a stupid question. no denying the people, the people the president pardoned or is considering pardoning all have a common tie of who the president -- were prosecuted by people the president believes are his perceived political ene enemies. >> all right, kaitlan, thanks so much. joining me now, cnn political director david chalian, cnn legal analyst paul callan. is there any room for debate? if this is what he says donald trump told him on the phone, you
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got screwed and he wants him out there, he wants him back out there being able to talk on tv, is there any debate these are politically motivated pardons? >> no, no real debate about that. the presidential pardon is political in nature. it is a power that rests with the president and it is an awesome power that rests with the presidency. it is not just d'souza. look at the past pardons this president issued for sheriff joe arpaio in arizona or for scooter libby, the former chief of staff to vice president cheney who got caught up in the valerie plame affair. it is clearly par for the course for president trump to issue pardons that go around the justice department process, and not through the proper normal pardon channels, which is his right to do, i'm not suggesting that's wrong. it is just that he seems to think this is really a perk of the job and he can hand it out randomly to the high profile
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folks. >> and maybe that's what it is. paul, d'souza says he was a victim of political persecution by the obama justice department, the lead prosecutor said he pled guilty because he was guilty. but he avoided jail time, lived eight months in a confinement center, paid a fine and served probation. did the time fit the crime? >> the judge thought it was an appropriate sentence to hand down and his own lawyer must have recommended the plea. d'souza pled guilty and he also apologized for his crime at the time of the plea. i think the record would establish, especially when somebody pleads guilty. i can understand a presidential pardon, you're fighting for your innocence and convicted and the president says that was an unjust charge and unjust conviction. he was convicted. it has been upheld on appeal. and now he's pardoned. >> with this, a lot of folks are wondering is it a message? roger stone just told the washington post he thinks these pardons are a message to folks
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caught up in the russia investigation, saying this, it has to be a signal to mike flynn and paul manafort and even robert mueller. indict people for crimes that don't pertain to russia collusion and that is what could happen. this is what could happen. the special counsel has awesome powers, but the president has even more awesome powers. do you think that's what this is? >> i think whether or not that is the intention, we don't know. unless the president reveals that to us. i think it is an undeniable byproduct of this. and to what paul was just saying, about dinesh pleading guilty and so there was somebody convicted -- what i think the president is doing here is saying, i thought this was an unjust prosecution. i don't know about the result or that you pled guilty to something. i think that this was an unjust government prosecution of you and to me, that is the signal to a manafort or a flynn or a michael cohen is that even if the president is -- if the
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president thinks the government is pursuing a case it shouldn't be, that is going to be a reason for him to issue a pardon. >> interesting. president trump says he's also considering, paul, commuting rod blagojevich's sentence. his wife went on fox news and here is what she had to say. >> i see that. i see that these same people that did this to my family, the same people that, you know, secretly taped us and twisted the facts and perverted the law, that ended up my husband in jail, you know, these same people are trying to do the same thing that they did to my husband, just on a much larger scale. >> she's saying to donald trump possibly. that seems to be like a tactic that may pay dividends. >> absolutely. looking at this one, it is very interesting. there was a hung jury in blagojevich's first trial. the prosecutor was patrick
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fitzgerald, a very close personal friend of james comey. used to sleep on comey's couch as a matter of fact. >> and now part of -- kind of on the legal team. >> right. and martha stewart who he's talking about pardoning as well, the prosecutor in that case and want to put the whole case together was comey. he talks about it extensively in his book, how that was a send a message case. i think trump is sending messages to people in his administration, don't worry, i'll pardon you, but also slapping the face of comey, fitzgerald and anybody else in the justice department that he thinks have crossed his path in a wrong way. >> stand by for more. i don't think it is the end. i have no knowledge to the contrary. great to see you, david, great to see you, paul. special delivery soon. north korea's former spy chief expected to deliver a letter. what is in that letter? that's next. ( ♪ ) face the world as a face to be reckoned with.
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north korea's former spy chief is expected to arrive at the white house soon. it is important to note this envoy for the north korean leader really shouldn't be anywhere near the white house. shouldn't be able to get into the country since he's on a sanctions list that bars him from coming in. but he's coming, he's here and he's got mail. carrying a letter from kim jong-un to be hand delivered to president trump. this comes as there are more and more signs the nuclear summit between trump and kim jong-un will take place. and it could be just days from now. secretary of state mike pompeo after meeting with kim yong chol said progress has been made. >> this is going to be a process that will take days and weeks to work our way through, that will be tough moments, there will be difficult times, i've had some difficult conversations with them as well. they have given it right back to me too. there is a -- there are decades
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to this challenge. >> allyse lavin joins me now. what more are you hearing about this white house visit today? >> well, kate, kim yong chol is bringing, as you said, a hand drafted letter to president trump from kim jong-un. and we understand that it is a response to president trump's letter from last week, canceling the summit, expressing kim jong-un's interest in having this summit. and i think that's really what it is about. you saw these meetings that took place yesterday. between kim yong chol and secretary pompeo and, yes, he did say that there was progress, but what he went on to say is there was essentially progress about everybody putting their cards on the table. one of the reasons that president trump canceled the summit in the first place is because they didn't know whether denuclearization would be on the table, and i get the sense,
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kate, they still don't know. you heard secretary pompeo say the north koreans are contemplating a path forward, which says to me, that they don't really know at this point. so i assume those conversations will continue today. but it doesn't look, kate, like the north koreans have given that firm commitment, that they are ready to set a timeline for giving up the nuclear weapons. >> that seems to be everything. i want to ask you about russia's involvement here, they invited kim jong-un to moscow for a summit later this year with vladimir putin. is this all related? >> it is all related in a sense. but i think what is most interesting about this is since the olympics and since kim jong-un has kind of come out of the cold, if you will, that he's been really giving this world leader status. he's met twice with chinese president xi. he's met with -- twice with korean president moon and now he's being invited to russia by
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president putin. so, you know, several months ago he was an outcast, and isolated by the international community. but now this warming not just with south korea, but the united states has almost catapulted him on the world stage. the north koreans are now giving this legitimacy. i think if things don't go well, with president trump, whether they have the summit or not, it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle because the world leaders are dealing with kim jong-un in the way he wants, as a world leader. >> that is a fascinating -- that's a fascinating way to put it. it is also interesting how quickly this turnabout, at least appearance, has really happened. amazing. great to see you. thank you. coming up, comedienne samantha bee apologizes for her vulgar slur toward ivanka trump. but that's not enough for president trump. that's next. i was just finishing a ride. i felt this awful pain in my chest. i had a pe blood clot in my lung.
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for a president who has had little, actually nothing to say about roseanne barr's racist remark, president trump seems quite interested in weighing in on another comedian, firing back at samantha bee. the president tweeting this. why aren't they firing no talent samantha bee for the horrible language used on her low rating show? a total double standard, but that's okay, we're winning and we'll be doing so for a long time to come. samantha bee apologized yesterday and i'll read her statement. she said, quote, i would like to sincerely apologize to ivanka trump and to my viewers for using an ex-pla tipletive to de her last night. it was inappropriate and inexcusable. i crossed the line and i deeply regret it.
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joining me now, brian stelter. samantha bee is now and turn iraiturner and time warner under pressure from advertisers. >> sometimes it happens in these cases you have other advertisers that call up and say, get me away from her show. those boycotts don't usually last long. we'll see what happens in the case. we'll see if there is a snowball effect. there is no indication that tbs is walking away from her show "full frontal." her apology, that was yesterday's announcement. i don't expect anything more from the network. it is notable the president is saying why hasn't she been fired? he's trying to draw an equivalent between barr and bee, two very different cases. they're both examples of celebrities who should know bet, lowering the bar rather than raising the bar in the culture.
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it will be interesting to see if she says more about this on her show next week. >> i had a lot of conversations with folks who say here is the difference. if that's a similarity, here is the difference. you have a woman making a sexist remark about another woman. a whi you have then a white woman making a racist remark about a black woman, one with context and history, that is dehumanizing to african-americans. different. >> very different. and yet sometimes especially in social media, folks try to put them together. like you get one scalp, we get one scalp. conservatives lose roseanne, they want liberals to lose samantha bee. both cases were ugly. you see the president say maybe she should be fired, i think that's also ugly. there is a lot of ugliness to go around. you see the president weighing in on areas of free expression.
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>> there is another thing we're hearing more details, new details about msnbc host joy reed. this all gets back to an old blog that she had. what is new? >> this is an old blog, ten years old, that had resurfaced. first, a number of months ago, anti-gay comments she had posted back more than ten years ago and she apologized for them. in april, more of those comments resurfaced and instead of apologizing again, she said maybe she was hacked. she couldn't prove it. she half backed away from that excuse. >> now backing away from the hack. >> it seems that way. but what is new this week, there are stories from buzzfeed and others about more strange posts on her blog. really inappropriate posts. again, more than ten years ago, about a 9/11 conspiracy theory, promoting a documentary that says it was a hoax. so more and more and more of the blog posts keep resurfacing and
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msnbc has been silent about it. there is more pressure for her to address this and explain does she really think she was hacked, does she admit she posted this stuff? even if this was way in her past, she claimed recently she was hacked. so it is a credibility issue now even though the posts are very hold. >> sure is. great to see you. thank you very much. coming up, president trump's former chief strategist steve bannon says the president is wrong about jeff sessions. the cnn exclusive interview. that's next. plaque psoriasis can be relentless. your plaques are always there at the worst times. constantly interrupting you with itching, burning and stinging. being this uncomfortable is unacceptable. i'm ready. tremfya® works differently for adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. with tremfya®, you can get clearer and stay clearer. in fact, most patients who saw 90% clearer skin at 28 weeks... stayed clearer through 48 weeks. tremfya® works better than humira® at providing clearer skin and more patients were symptom free with tremfya®.
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now to a cnn exclusive. president trump's former chief strategist steve bannon sitting down with fareed zakaria and
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standing up for one of president trump's favorite targets, jeff sessions. just as cnn confirmed that president trump repeatedly pressured sessions to unrecuse himself from the russia investigation. not just the one time that we heard of to this point. >> donald trump said he wishes he picked another attorney general. is he right? >> i think the president is wrong. i think the president has been wrong from the beginning about -- if i can respectfully disagree with the president. i think that -- i think the whole concept of recusal is not even an issue. i think that rudy giuliani, chris christie, jeff sessions, anybody associated with the campaign would have had to recuse himself before grassley's committee even voted him out to go to the floor for a vote. so i think the recusal is an issue, yes, an issue dealt with and had to be dealt with. whether you picked rudy or christie, by the way, this thing about sessions was not first pick.
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rudy was always the first pick. jeff sessions and -- even rudy knew at the time there was going to be this issue of recusal. i think the president is wrong. i think if you look at what jeff sessions had done on immigration, on migration, all the key issues of the justice department, i think sessions is personally done an excellent job. >> joining me now, ned ryan, and joe trippi, democratic strategist. great to see you both. ned, i'm asking this of everybody. give me your take. why doesn't donald trump just fire jeff sessions? >> well, i think we have gotten to that point, kate, to be honest. this goes back to the session that jeff sessions made to recuse himself and i think he should have had that conversation with donald trump and said, hey, if i recuse myself, i probably shouldn't continue in being attorney general. i think it has gotten to the point. i think donald trump needs to fire jeff sessions or jeff sessions needs to resign. i don't think this will last
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that much longer and really is starting to look like a very ugly breakup on a very public street corner, really getting awkward for everyone. i would hope that donald trump has a plan, he wouldn't do anything spur of the moment. i would like him to wait until after the midterms. i think there is a legitimate chance that maybe mueller clears trump, maybe in september. i think day by day, getting a better chance, republicans keep the majority in congress and in november, trump could go to jeff sessions and quite frankly rod rosenstein and say, i would like letters of resignation and move on from there. >> come on, half of what the president does is spur of the moment. part of his charm. that's what he loves. come on, man. joe? >> really quick, on that front, if he decides in the summer in june or july he'll fire jeff sessions, he has to make a political calculation. will this cause harm? won't cause him harm with the base. and i think mitch mcconnell would move quickly,
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>> it will cause him unmitigable harm on capitol hill with his own -- look, no one is buying any of this. trey gowdy is saying that there wasn't a spy. the senate intelligence committee is not going along with any of this, and i think it's been clear to the president and the white house from the beginning that both jeff sessions and others, i mean, as you go down through wray and ross that there is no crossing of the line. if the president goes after any of those people, it's a huge mistake. he should listen to steve bannon on this. steve bannon is right. it doesn't matter who of giuliani or christy or sessions that they would have had to recuse themselves because of their playing roles in the campaign. so sessions couldn't have said,
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hey, i'm going to recuse myself, don't appoint me. no matter who the president appointed, he would have had to go outside his campaign. >> he technically could have. regardless it did not happen. but, joe, are you saying that donald trump should listen to steve bannon, the same steve bannon that president trump put out a statement about a while ago? >> i think on this one, steve bannon is right. he's wrong about a lot of things. i think he's wrong about firing ross and others that he's urging the president to do, yeah. but i think he's right on this. >> ned? final thought. >> i think we'll have to see how this plays out. if he were to fire jeff sessions, what is the calculation with his base? i don't think his base would mind.
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it would be kind of a bit of a shrug. >> they wouldn't care! with all this stuff, the folks that support donald trump, it doesn't matter even if he goes against what they're saying. honestly, i think he could say, you know what, tariffs are a horrible thing. and all the folks that supported him because he was going to go hard on tariffs are going to go, okay, we still love him. i do think that with no basis of fact because that's what i do. i say things with no basis of fact. thanks, guys, i appreciate it. >> thanks, kate. an exclusive interview with steve bannon tonight with fareed zakaria at 9:00 p.m. cohen warns a reporter. stay. save up to 15% when you book early at hollidayinn.com that's next.
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i will make sure that you and i meet one day while we're in the courthouse and i will take you for every penny you still don't have. and i will come after "the daily beast" and everyone else you possibly know. do not even think about going to where i know you're planning on going. and that's my warning for today. >> wait for tomorrow. i'll take every penny you still don't have. would you like to get that call? and what if that call was from donald trump's personal attorney? that is what michael cohen was threatening after a journalist wrote a story in 2015 about trump and his first wife ivana trump. why are we hearing these tapes now? >> that's why it's so significant, because this is the first time we're actually hearing the voice of michael cohen who is widely reported all
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around that he's made threats on behalf of the president, his personal attorney, right? he worked for "the daily beast" in 2015. he was calling on michael cohen for a story. he knew about this, he reported it back then. but now he works for npr and npr says, you know, we want to talk about this string of threats that we always hear from michael cohen. he digs up this audio and says, here you go, this is what i have. so that's why it was made public, that actual audio. michael cohen has not commented on the audio. he did back in 2015 after this tirade. he said it's inarticulate, i think is what he said, and basically admitted it was a tirade. >> did he make good on his threat? >> no, i don't believe so. i don't believe so, but again, it speaks to the string of threats that happened. >> also michael cohen is known to record conversations. >> and he's the one that recorded the conversations, the
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journalists, not michael cohen. >> it's good to see you, brynn. thank you very much. thank you for joining me. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. thank you, kate, and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. a gangbusters jobs report matching a 50-year low in the unemployment rate. is president trump putting a boom in that risk for promoting global outrage with new trade tariffs? responsible at a minimum, respectless to some. the president brings a new hint to those jobs numbers. in pardoning a pundit who knowingly admit he tried to break the law and then tried to hide it, president trump speaks out

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