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the u.s. give? what concessions will the u.s. give? that is something, brooke, the president did not give a window into. >> gloria, to you next, this is so significant diplomatically speaking. you see mike pompeo, the secretary of state, part of this north korean delegation. the long good-bye. i just want to marn eiginate on just for a second. what did you make of the pageantry of it all? >> it's as if it was produced by the american president himself, who wanted the public to say and who wanted kim jong un to see how well he treated his emissary, bringing him into the oval office, which he did not have to do, certainly meeting with him for over 90 minutes, which he did not have to do. having a substantive conversation with him about,
among other things, sanctions, which the president told us he did not have to do anything of this. the president say basically stay tuned because if you were doing a word cloud over the president's head today, i think the word process would have come up the most because it seems to me that what the president is saying that originally the united states had said we want them to denuclearize before we even get to step one and now it seems to me what the president is saying is this is going to be a long process, which is more like what south korea has been talking about, which is set some benchmarks, have they will denuclearize, ease a sanction here, a sanction there and we do it over a long period. and i think just in reading between the lines today, it seems to me that maybe the president is tending towards
that idea more. >> a getting-to-know-you-meeting plus. elise, i was watching your reaction. you were reminding everyone normally a meeting of this stature is done months, weeks in advance, it works from the bottom to the top. here you have it flipped. do you think in 12 days, it is june 1st, we're talking june 11t 12th is the president ready for this summit? >> i tell you i didn't but now the president has lowered the expectations of what this meeting was about. a couple of weeks ago it was about a nuclear deal. now it's the beginning of a get-to-know-you process. it was pretty clear yesterday had secretary pompeo came out of this meeting that kim jong un is not ready to take that final
step and commit to a timeline for denuclearization, which is what the president and his aides were hoping for at this meeting. health insurance what the team at the dmz is trying to draft a communique. you can't really draft a communique when you don't have that firm commitment from north korea. pompeo said that he thought that the north koreans were contemplating a path. so by inviting kim yong chol to the white house today, speaking with him, obviously you've heard from world leaders the president can be very charming in these meetings, and through the language and secretary pompeo's language about bold leadership, they realize they've come to the acceptance, even i think that the north koreans are not fully ready but that there's enough goodwill and the relationship has improved enough that let's start a process. former negotiators have said to secretary pompeo, he's reached
out to them, start a process going. you've gone from fire and fury to here, get this process going and i think that that's probably, even though the president has had to lower his expectations, i think that's probably a smarter way of managing it. the one thing i would say is that the north koreans are experts at this kind of dragging it out. so i think, you know, the real challenge for the u.s. and for president trump is to really convince kim jong un at this one summit or series of meetings and i'm sure secretary pompeo will also be going there, you know, fair li fairly regularly over the process is that the assurances, the security guarantees are going to come from giving up the noose, not from keeping them, brooke. >> i've got the voice in all of this joining us now, joseph eun, former point person for the u.s. who is recently retired.
first your thoughts out of the gate in these extraordinary moments. >> i mean, simply amazing to watch the development over last few weeks. and i think gloria and elise hit it out of park. what's happened is that president trump realized through dialogue with north koreans that their expectations are monot gog to be met going around thinking that we can do it all in one libya model, not really hearing much from john bolton anymore, you know? and so i think all things considered kim jong un has done an incredible job of manipulating south korea, united states, china and yesterday you saw the russian foreign minister go to pyongyang. i don't know. it kind of reminds me of watching "sopranos" saying you isolate me, i'm going to isolate
you. you know? >> what do you think about the whole scene and how it will ultimately be seen by kim jong un? what do you think he will think of that long good-bye and president trump's words? >> well, i think, you know, kim jong un has obviously come out to the major foreign affairs stage and we've seen him. you know, he's no longer a caricature that we're used to seeing, and he's presenting himself with elder asians, respectful but forceful, now through his envoy, who has gotten the highest possible diplomatic treatment, not only going to the white house, president and secretary of state walking him out to the lawn, to the lane, to his car, long good-bye, photo-op with the rest of the delegation. he's sending a clear message to
kim jong un, you know, we can build a relationship. and those are the words that the president used, we're beginning to build a relationship. you're right, process was the key word today and yesterday as we watched pompeo, he used two key words, process and progress. so they realize now in is a long trek and that june 12th is the first step. >> joe, what do you think is in that letter from kim jong un? >> i think it's word, words only, very nice words saying looking forward to meeting you, really want to build a relationship, we can live peacefully, we can help each other, our dreams of peace will be realized and of course, you know, security concerns will be resolved and so on. i really doubt there is anything
concrete that we'll be looking for. just imagine a situation in which in singapore it does become getting to know you only meeting with a promise of next meeting only. i think there will be a ton of disappointed people throughout, you know, not only the united states but in japan and south korea. >> toward the end of listening to the president's words there, he was asked did you talk about human rights? and i'm just reminded that it was otto warmbier's parents who were invited to the state of the union in washington and i realize those other prisoners were allowed home recently. are you surprised human rights was not part of that conversation? >> no, i'm not surprised. and i think the administration has made denuclearization and a deal on denuclearization the number one goal. >> but should it have been a part of that conversation, human
rights? >> you know, that's a tough question, brooke. if we're loaded with human rights, are you going to include japanese, are you going to include issues like refugees, are you going to include bio-chem weapons? it does become overloaded. really i can understand them for prioritizing, but again, it will be a disappointment to many folks who are very, very concerned and rightly concerned about north korean human rights practice. >> well, the president said, though, didn't he, brooke, that he would raise it in singapore. >> he said down the road, yes, yes, yes. >> he didn't rule that out. one thing i would add, which is sort of in interest to me and we all remember the days of rocket man and all the rest is that both of these men know that the other within is pretty
unpredictable. and so by the time we get to june 12th, which seems close but can be very far away the way washington operates these days, where are these men going to be and how will they react to each other face to face? and that's something none of us can predict. and how will that meeting go? none of us can predict that. >> i will say one thing, though, brooke, i think as joe said and gloria nodded to this as well, you've seen the last couple of weeks and months kim jong un kind of come out. this is the kim jong un that everybody had hoped when he took over for his father when he died. he is a modern, he went to school in the west, he likes basketball shoes. we can talk to him, he want to reform his economy. this is the kim jong un that everybody has seen. the question is whether he's ready to make what joe and his counterparts would call that
strategic choice, that being the darling of the international community and being accepted as a world leader is really the way forward for his country and for regime sr viefl. that's really what this reej regime is about, it's about survival. if he can get it by giving up his nuclear weapons and bringing north korea into the fold and embrace of the international community, i think that will be the most interesting thing, whether the president can really convince with the deliverables that he's ready to offer, whether he can convince kim jong un that the future of north korea lies with the international community and not with isolation and a nuclear program. >> but to elise's point, joe, this is about regime survival and maybe this is the kim to perhaps deviate from the path that they have been on in this country for decades and decades and decades, but do you believe that he will do it? >> well, brooke, that is the
central question. we are trying to tell north koreans that you are safer without nuclear weapons than with nuclear weapons. the question is, it's become obvious last few days, they don't quite believe it. and it's going to take a while for them to believe it. we're going to go step by step to believe it. i mean, ultimately what they want is to have nuclear weapons and open air economy. they want to be another india, you know? >> they can't have both, can they? >> maybe they can. >> maybe they can. joe, maybe they can. this is absolutely fascinating. again, the headlines from the president, we will be meeting on june 12th in singapore. joe and gloria and elise, thank you so much. coming up next, america's closest allies blasting him
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learn all you can to help protect yourself from a stroke. talk to your doctor about xarelto®. let me focus on the case of disgraced illinois governor rod blagojevich, who may have the remainder of his sentence commuted. his brother just sent a letter to president trump asking for his help. >> i'm cautiously optimisting. if president trump were graves enough to commu -- gracious enough to commute
rod's sentence and return him to his family, i would be very grateful, a 14-year sentence for a guy who did not take any money and had no criminal intent. my brother was a liberal democrat. there's no agenda he's got that would be appealing to president trump. so my view is it would be an exceptional show of humanity to have my brother reunited with his family. >> with me now, michael smerconish, and author of a brand new book "cleaowns to the left of me jokers to the right." let me quote roger stone, the same roger stone who said two weeks ago he was ready to be indicted said, "the special counsel has awesome powers, as you know, but the president has even more awesome powers." was that message received, michael? >> listen, roger may be a
beneficiary. who's to say which way this whole thing goes in the end. i don't know what the president's intention is but even if his intention wasn't to send a message to those who are somehow caught up in the mueller web, no doubt that's the impact that all of this is having. in the case of d'souza, it's a two-fer. it's a bone to the base and a message to some who might face criminal prosecution or are already facing criminal prosecution that he's got their back, he's going to be loyal to them. i don't think it would spare michael cohen if that case should develop along state charge lines, we really doesn't know, b -- don't know but i'm sure it's having consequences with some individuals. >> in the way of trump telegraphing, that he's in control of everything, including d.o.j., but there's something
about the almost capricious nature of this, it's like a little kid as version of being in charge, i can do whatever i want and nobody can stop me. >> it's true. and no withone can stop him bec he's acted within the parameters of the pardon powers. i just take note of the timeline, that all of this action is happening. and what's the common denom eighto -- denominator? there's no common denominator, as the brother was telling you, between the politics of rod blagojevich and dinesh d'souza. you couldn't identify more high profile cases. if you wanted to make sure everybody caught up in the mueller probe are aware, you pick these high-profile cases and that's what he's done. >> we just saw kim yong chol
leave the white house and you listen to the president saying the whole summit is on. i want to play sound from the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. he just spoke moments ago. >> i think you can anticipate the north koreans making every effort they can to get sanctions and other relief and give up as little as possible. it's going to be quite a challenge and i think for these situations to work, you have to not want the deal too much. if you fall in love with the deal and it's too important for you to get it and the details become less significant, you could get snookered. >> you could get snookered. this is the senate majority leader speaking before we heard from the president at the white house. he's basically saying to the president, don't fall in love. it seems like the president really wants to go have this meeting. >> right.
but he did push back from the table and, incumbented some willingness not to proceed with june 12th. when i step back from the week drawing to a close, i see the water cooler conversation. i answer the telephone for a living. it's a week that was dominated by roseanne barr and in the latter part of the week, the "c" word. let us not lose sight of the fact that the unemployment rate is 3.8% and to the president's credit, he appears headed to a sitdown with an adversary that has not resolved itself for 70 years. i'm within one of those who has distracted in the past by all the lesser important issues. i think he's got some things to crow about this week. >> meichael smerconish, we get your book and thank you so much.
in addition to the president making news on the upcoming summit in singapore, he also slapped tariffs on three of america's biggest trading powers. here was president trump. >> if you take the european union and you see the kind of tariff they charge and then we don't, that's called not fair trade. i want fair trade. i like free trade but i want fair trade. at a minimum i want fair trade. and we're going to have it for our workers and for our companies. and you know what? the other side understands it. to be honest with you, they cannot believe they've gotten away with this for so many decades. >> reporter: some of our closest allies are complaining loud, what do you say -- >> they're our allies, but they take advantage. i love canada, i love mexico. i love them. but mexico is making over $100
billion a year but not helping us with our border because they have strong laws and we have horrible laws. we have horrible border laws. they could solve our border problem, if they wanted. but they don't want to. when they want to, then i'll be happy. i think we have a good chance of doing some great trade deals. and we'll make america great again, right? that's what we're doing. >> let's chat about that. with me finance experts. catherine, to you first. i love them, they take advantage of us but i love them. >> it's a very strange way to show love to our allies. we are imposing allies -- actually bigger tariffs on our allies than on china at this point. we're justifying them by national security. again, these are our military allies. it's not clear -- >> that's part of justin
trudeau's point, helping us fight battles and now -- >> the eu, mexico, canada, these are very strategically important places to the united states and we're justifying punishing and alienating them through national security concerns, which is bizarre. it's bad for american companies because these trading partners are retaliating against us. they're threatening or have already placed tariffs on goods from sensitive places, kentucky bourbon, iowa pork, et cetera, and beyond that you're raising costs for american companies that purchase steel and aluminum. the size of the industry, the number of jobs that rely on purchasing steel and aluminum is much larger than the industries trumps going to protect. >> larry kudlow says it's not a trade war, it's a family
disagreement. >> trump is like a carpet salesman out along the highways near the mall. i think there's a lot of bluster in the way he negotiates. i'm oversimplifying things a lot. if we look at this curated trade deals over the years, they've been great for corporations and not so great for american workers. while it's easy to try to draw partisan lines with issues like this, 2015 and 2016 showed us this is a populous versus establishment issue. they're trade, that concept registers with many democrats, which are on the populous left side and it registers with a lot of republicans. so the rust belt democrats love this. the aflcio, the unions love that keep going out there and going to bat and trying to renegotiate these deals. i think there's a lot of different constituents that are
at play here. it's not as simple as republicans, democrats, corporations, the worker. >> a lot of constituents would be thrilled with the numbers that the president boasted about, the unemployment number. 3.8% catherine, it's good news. >> it's good nut certainlews ce. this is the exact same trend we've seen for the last eight years. it's not as if trump came into office and we suddenly unleashed this job growth. it's a continuation of the same trend. nevertheless, it's very good news. the wage numbers are still not spectacular. in this report, they were waited toward financial services, high-wage people. but generally it was good. >> you can't complain about that. this has very little to do with trump.
i don't know that it has a lot to do with obama either. it's a continuation of a cycle. people feel good about leaving their job because they can find another one and that makes people more interested in invest nlgt stock mark investing in the stock market, selling their house. >> everything that we talk about with our allies, trade, tariffs, might that impact these numbers? >> yeah. if we have a trade war, that would be spectacularly bad for the economy. it would hurt many of trump's own supporters, including these rust belt workers, who are reliant on being able to export the products they're making to other countries. it means our exports are not going to get to them or at least not as many of them are going to get to them. you could see lots of job losses. again, if we're in a full-blown trade war. right now we're in the opening salvos. you could see lots of negative repercussions. >> all right. thank you both so much on that.
coming up next here, we want to talk about this tape that has surfaced. michael cohen threatening a reporter back in the summer of 2015. >> i am warning you, tread lightly [ bleep ], because what i'm going to do to you is going to be [ bleep ] disgusting. do you understand me? don't think you are going to hide behind your pen because it not happening. >> a reporter joins me discuss what was behind this conversation and why this tape is just now coming out.
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we're hearing for the first time michael cohen making threats on speech. you'll hear a comment he ultimately apologized for making. >> you're talking about drpt, you're ta -- donald trump, you're talking about the front-runner presidential candidate, as well as a private individual who never raped anybody and of course the understand that by the very definition you can't rape your spouse. if you write a story that has mr. trump's name on it with the word rape and i'll mess up your
life. i'm warning you, tread very [ bleep ] lightly because what i'm going to do to you is going to be very painful. don't think you can hide behind your pen because it's not going to happen. >> that was a conversation between cohen and tim from apr. pr president trump -- >> how did it feel to be on the receiving end of that phone call? >> it's interesting. back at the beginning ofcampaigt a lot of people heard of michael
cohen and not a lot of people knew how the trump campaign operated. for me this was my experience dealing with michael cohen, first time hearing from michael cohen. over time what we understand is there's a pattern that michael cohen has a pattern of making these sorts of threats, not just to me but to much bigger fish, you know, you'll recall after that contentious republican primary debate, he tweeted someone who said "we can gut her," about megyn kelly, a fox news host. and a harvard student said he got threatened by michael cohen, threatened to get him expelled from harvard or to file a lawsuit against him because he pulled a prank on donald trump. so this is part of a long pattern and a history. >> just to be clear, did he know you were recording the conversation? did he know you were on the record? >> he knew he was on the record. what's really interesting about this is that i reached out to the campaign for comment.
i didn't expect the lawyer from the trump organization to come and call me back. but he did and what you hear on npr.org is a seven-minute audio clip of our conversation. >> what did you do? you were calm through the whole thing and you kept saying, do you care to comment? what did you do, though, tim, when you put the phone down? >> i started writing up a transcript of our conversation and getting ready to put together a story. it's not uncommon to get hostile calls from folks when you're writing about politics. this one did seem a little extreme. >> this was the summer of 2015. why are you releasing this now? >> so much has happened between then and now. then it kind of seemed like a little bit of an aberration. but now we've got all these -- we've got an established history and a pattern of threat, right? the ones that i mentioned before and we've got stormy daniels.
michael avenatti, her lawyer, has claimed that michael cohen has threatened using verbally coercive methods got her to sign an nda. what would that have sounded like? i think we get a taste of that listening to this audio. >> breaking news now, president trump saying the summit with kim jong un will go on as scheduled on june 12th in singapore, this after north korea's former top spy hand delivered a letter to the president in the oval office. >> that letter was a very nice letter. oh, would you like to see what was in that letter. i haven't seen the letter yet. i purposely didn't open the letter. ntain coffee roasters sumatra reserve. let's go to sumatra. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. which helps provide for win's family. all, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. green mountain coffee roasters.
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diversity among black people. is that what you're saying? all right. >> and now to this one. did you watch game one between the golden state warriors and the cleveland cavaliers? cleveland's j.r. smith had just seconds to get a shot off, and instead of shooting the ball, he made a play that confused the heck out of everyone. >> rebound goes to the cavs. j.r. smith brings it back out. throws it to hill. hill's shot blocked. and we'll go to overtime. >> they thought they had the lead. he didn't know the score. >> exactly. that's a bad mistake by j.r. smith. >> so killer rebound but i don't know what the rest, what he was thinking. king james, not happy.
>> did he think that you guys had it won? or did he think he was trying to make a play? not sure? >> no, i'm not sure. i don't know his state of mind. >> do you know if he knew the score? >> calvin washington, host of the church league cam map podca. lebron understandably upset. could have been a history-making upset. gone. do you feel badly for him? >> do i feel badly for him, brooke? first of all, thanks for having me. that is an understatement. look, i put some credibility on the line here. i tweeted out before the game
that the cavs would win in six. everyone thinks i'm crazy. but then they were really quiet when the cavaliers kept coming back and lebron scores 51 points. then the video of the play that you referred to. we cannot exonerate george hill who missed the free throw. they would have been up one. but then there's the j.r. smith bonehead play. and j.r. provides us with these moments once or twice a year. earlier this year he threw soup on one of his assistant coaches. but he denied it later. he thought the team was up one when they were not. of course it was a tie game, he should have gone up, scored a layup. you see lebron saying what were you doing? >> you can read his lips. this is how j.r. explained it officially later. >> tie ball game, we were in a
time-out and i was trying to get enough space because i was thinking standing right there, trying to get my space to maybe get a shot off. i looked over at brian and he was going to call time-out so i just stopped. the game was over. >> the game was tied. >> i knew it was tied. i thought he was going to call time-out. >> you're not buying that. >> go with me. not buying it. don't believe it. >> he says what are you doing? and j.r. smith says what? and lebron says what do you mean? he says i thought we were up. he was trying to avoid getting fouled so the clock would run out. in fact they were tied and they go to overtime. i think the team lost all energy, they were out of it mentally, they could not get past the blunder of j.r. smith. credit the warriors for fighting through. still there was an overtime to play and the warriors came to
play. they ended up winning in overtime. that was a game they could steal on the road, they could surprise everyone and that was a game where lebron scores 51 points in a losing effort. really upset. >> can we talk about the memes? the lebron arm and his face? here's just one of so many. i don't know how much we have? the moment he realized. the internet jumped all over this. >> there's another one. that one is hilarious right there. there's a video of him and they have him running by lebron, going to the liquor store to grab some liquor. i think the cavaliers came to play and lebron himself is doing something special. despite it all, brooke, i'm still down with the kings. i'm still down. where's my crown? there's my crown. i'm still down with lebron. king james, the cavs win in six.
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emergency responders say they have no plans to rescue anyone who does not evacuate. that order comes as lava from the kilauea volcano continues to swallow up anything in its path including entire homes, leaving people with nothing. >> there's no home. it got took away like all the other homes. right now we don't know. just want a little corner for my family and little yard my kids can play outside. >> the lava has covered an area of 5 1/2 square miles. that is four times as large as central park. so let's go to scott mclain, our cnn correspondent, on the ground at pahoa, hawaii, all the plumes behind you there. it has been four weeks since kilauea erupted and i imagine officials have no idea when it'll stop.
>> reporter: absolutely, brooke. they do not. the reality is when you have lava shooting out of the earth some 250 feet high, you have a lot of lava, and where it's going is always changing. yesterday we met up with a team whose job it is, they have this incredibly difficult task of figuring out where the lava is going next and how fast it will get there. if there's lava on the move, so is drone pilot rose hart. >> you guys ready? okay. clear props. launching. >> reporter: her small crew from the university of hawaii has been up all night every night since kilauea first started erupting almost a month ago. they're documenting the lava's movement using drones, not for long-term research but to inform hour-to-hour decisions. you guys are an essential service.
>> i feel like we are. >> reporter: as the lava moves, the group's routine stays largely the same. fly -- >> just at about 100 meters altitude. >> reporter: -- take photos, upload the data. so this is a base map. and analyze it and repeat. this week they watched as a massive fast-moving lava flow cut off highway 132, creeping down it for two miles, leaving a pile of shifting lava some 10 feet high. >> it will be seemingly cool at the surface, but there's actually still a lot of heat in there. >> reporter: some of that lava is headed toward another highway, the only remaining escape route for some communities. officials are now given some neighborhoods an ultimatum -- leave or be prosecuted. >> this is an order that is a formal order that does mandate that they leave.
>> reporter: set by a massive fisher shooting 250 feet into the air, the drone team calculates how quickly the lava is flowing. at times it's been up to 600 yards per hour, a snail's pace for a person but lightning fast for lava. >> you can clearly see it. >> reporter: movement that virtually nothing can stop, not homes, cars, or even entire forests. >> trees don't do much to slow lava. there's the volume there. that's not much that will. >> reporter: so for the people who live in part of the neighborhood beyond this checkpoint, they have about two hours to get out or face prosecution or getting stuck. but there is another issue for communities along the coast to the east of where we are, and that's that they were originally told to get out in the next eight hours. well, now officials are saying they should be out by the next four hours in order to avoid getting stranded. that's because there is a lava flow heading toward a major highway in that area, threatening to cut it off, and
if it does, that is big problems for those people. that lava now just half a mile away, brooke. >> wow. why do you think officials are having such a tough time just getting people to leave? >> reporter: sure. well, the bottom line is this has been going on for four weeks now, and being out of your home, especially if you don't have a good place to go, is pretty difficult on people. the other thing is that you can get pretty close. lava moves pretty slowly, and so people feel like they have a little bit of time here. now officials seem to be at their wit's end because the situation has gotten so, so unpredictable. >> but would you say for the most part just 20 seconds, are most people heeding the warning? >> reporter: yeah. people in this neighborhood beyond this checkpoint, they don't have a choice. i spoke to another gentleman on the phone near some of the lava flows. he's been packing up his house in fits and starts as the lava approaches. but the bottom line is he has cleared everything out but he
will stay as long as he can. he has his escape route mapped out. >> scott, thank you very much. and everyone, thanks for being with me. i'm brooke baldwin in new york. we send things to washington. jim sciutto is sitting in for jake tapper. "the lead" starts right now. thank you, brooke. anyone know of any good hotels in singapore? "the lead" starts right now. president trump says his summit with kim jong-un will happen a week from tuesday, this after an unprecedented meeting with north korea's spy master. north korea got what it wanted so what did we get? and president trump could not contain his glee at a glowing jobs report even before the rest of us knew the numbers. but not everything is rosy with the economy as our closest allies say there will be consequences for trump's trade war. a sickening discovery. how a traffic stop for a broken