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you are in the cnn newsroom. i'm ana cabrera in the newsroom. president trump's legal team saying the president probably won't pardon himself, the stroke of a presidential pen, making criminal charges and convictions just go away. but can the president pardon himself? it's never been tested. but legal analysts here at cnn say if president trump does pardon himself for any crime that may result from the special counsel investigation, it will amount to a self-executing impeachment. this comes at the "new york times" published a special letter from the trump team to the special counsel of the russia investigation. that letter claims that the president has the power to shut down the entire investigation. and rudy giuliani says the president probably has the power
to pardon himself, but there's no plan to actually do it. >> he's not, he probably does, but he has no intention of pardoning himself, doesn't mean he can't. that's a really interesting constitutional question, can the president pardon himself? it would be an open question, i think it would probably get -- [ no audio ] ramifications of that would be tough. pardoning other people is one thing, pardoning yourself is another. >> a political ramification would be tough, he says. let's go to the white house and correspondent boris sanchez, would rudy giuliani be talking about pardons if he wasn't thinking about indictments and maybe even impeachment? >> reporter: it's no secret that the -- developed this strategy
to try to discredit the special counsel in order to avoid impeopi impeachme impeachment, specifically he was asked about pardons in part because of the ones that have been granted by president trump and he's considering additional pardons. giuliani was also asked about the letter that came from the trump team to the mueller -- following news that donald trump jr. met with russians in trump tower in june of 2016, initially, several key figures within the administration denied that the president had a role in crafting that statement, both sarah sanders and jay sekulow tried to downplay the president's parole, it turns out he indeed tried to dictate that statement. listen to rudy giuliani saying it's a reason that the president should not testify before the special counsel. >> this is the reason that you don't let the president testify.
if, you know, our recollection keeps changing or we're not even asked a question, or somebody makes an mycase, i made an assumption, and then i corrected it and i think that's what happened here. >> reporter: he says our recollection keeps changes. i should point out that rudy giuliani has been asked about these discrepancies that come out in the press and facts that are coming out of the investigation. he says he does not believe that the president lied to the special counsel. >> former federal prosecutor and let me and national security agent. so michael, you previously worked with the special counsel, you have an idea of how he interprets the law? do you think he believes the president can pardon himself? >> no. and in fact, on october 5, 1974,
the acting assistant attorney general for the office of legal counsel wrote a memorandum to the deputy attorney general where she was asked that question, and she concluded that a president cannot pardon himself. and so if we are binding ourselves to olc opinions that president can't be indicted, most likely this memorandum opinion to the deputy attorney general forecloses a person from pardoning himself pursuant to olc policy. >> sounds like there is a definitive answer that has been put out there, chris christie was asked about this idea that trump could pardon himself. >> even though he doesn't expect him to do it, he would have the right to do it? >> there's evenflo way that will happen, and the reason is because that becomes a political problem, if the president
pardons himself, he'll get impeached. >> is that the case. because so far the most powerful republican lawmakers who have control of the house have been reluctant to push back on presidential power, some like devin nunez have been huge allies on all things russia investigation. >> his r they have been robing to see how far he can push, both against this special counsel investigation and on other norms before other members of congress speak up and so far he's been able to push without much push back, you've seen the president use the pardoning power in ways the presidents never have, in terms of pardoning people who haven't gone through the justice department process that's in place for the president to review pardons, he's given pardons to political allies and people who support him. so it's not clear that congress would stand up to the president if he decided to go further and pardon people who are being targeted by this investigation
or even pardon himself pre-emptively because obviously his legal team believes he could be the subject of a subpoena and even the subject of an indictment from the special counsel if they find things they believe con opportunity obstruction of justice or other laws that the president may have broken. it's clear that if he pushes as hard as he can against the investigation as he has in his twitter account, he wants to see if congress will stand up to him and it's not clear that congress has the votes to impeach if the president continues to push further and further so i would expect the president to continue to push the envelope as far as possible. >> we see that is the political strategy. president trump's team sent to the special counsel team that lays out their argument that a president cannot orb instruct justice, writing, quote, it remains our position that the president's actions here bring pursuing his position as the chief law enforcement officer could neither constitutionally
nor legal ly constitute obstruction. so asha, do you believe that means that the president has the absolute power to control the law of the land? >> that is their argument. they are arguing that the president is above the law, this is a concept that the framers of our constitution explicitly rejected in creating our constitution. and anna, let's just look at this incoherent legal strategy, which is internally inconsistent, if the president can't obstruct justice, if they're so sure of that, then there would be no need for him to pardon himself, because there's nothing he could possibly be guilty of. the other inconsistency is that the president continues to tweet that president obama illegally spied on him, had illegal investigations, well if it's true that the president can control any investigation however he wants, then obama
presumably had that power foochtoo. and i don't think anyone buys that, which understand that there are rules for a reason and we have to make sure that the laws are faithfully executed and he does it in the interest of the country and not himself. >> rudy giuliani was not part of the legal team in january when that letter was sechblt to the special counsel office, but he said it still represents the current thinking of the president's legal team that is there today. he also says mueller has not responded to this letter, what does that tell you? >> well, i don't know if he's in the know or not. i believe that mueller and the real lawyers on this case are in active negotiations around the issue of whether or not the president will agree to sit down for an agreed upon interview, to foreclose the possibility of receiving a subpoena and having to determine what to fight it in court. so i'm just not sure if rudy is aware of what's going on behind
the scenes by the real lawyers in this case. but if in fact mueller has not responded, and the office of the president and the president's personal lawyers have asked him for questions and it's bad on him, he should responsibility to them so that we can move this thing forward to a resolution, so that we know what's going on. >> the president began tweeting about his former campaign manager paul manafort, let me read you one of his tweets, as only one of two people left who can become president, why wouldn't the fbi or department of justice have told me that they were secretly investigating paul manafort on charges that were ten years old and had been previously dropped during my campaign, should have told me. in another tweet, he downplays manafort's role in the campaign. why do you think the president is all of a sudden going after paul manafort today? >> this is the latest in the long stream of distractions that this legal team has brought up
to distract from this investigation. first they talked about president trump being wired tapped and then they moved on spy gate, which seems to have blown up in their face with trey gowdy saying there's no such thing as spy gate after seeing the documents that the justice department provided and now they're moving on to saying that the fbi did not provide president trump with adequate warnings while he was in the middle of a campaign that his campaign manager may have been the subject of an fbi investigation. obviously this is more distraction from the administration, they haven't been able to get their stories straight as we saw rudy giuliani and the president's legal team basically admit that they had lied to the press by saying that the president had nothing to do with the statement that came out of the donald trump tower meeting with don jr. saying the president had nothing to do with it. and then the lawyers basically acknowledged that the president acknowledged the entire statement. obviously this legal team is trying to throw as much in the air to distract and make it more
difficult for the public to know what's going on and people just end up going into their own political camp saying this is all part of the washington swamp and if i'm with republicans to start with, i'm going to be with them no matter what comes out of this special investigation, i think that's what the president is doing here. >> if we were to look at the content of this tweet, why wouldn't the fbi have warned president trump during the campaign about paul manafort? >> when the fbi becomes aware that someone is being targeted, developed, tasked by a hostile foreign intelligence service, they may be receiving that information from many sources, including our allies, sensitive methods, other people that could be working for the other side. so they're not going to disclose what they know about specific people, they're going to do what they did in this case, which is to give a general security briefing, alerting the campaign to this threat, even that i
think was actually quite extraordinary, and telling them, this is what the russians are trying to do, they're trying to infiltrate your campaign, you need to let us know if there are any contacts. and anna, as we know, to a person, not a single individual associated with his campaign ever reported any contacts and they have lied about it when asked, so that is also telling and would be something that the fbi would take into account. >> there have been so many meetings undisclosed until the truth trickled out and then they say, oh, that's right and then they had to go back and backtrack, michael in that same tweet, we show that the president also rivered to hefer own justice department request quotes around the word justice. what's your reaction to that? >> well, it's sad is what it is when the president of the united states who in that letter on january 29 claims to be the chief executive, probably claims to be the chief executive officer in charge of the justice department and the fbi and everybody else to disrespect
them by putting their name in quotations. i just don't think it is right. i think he shouldn't be doing that. he could take issue with particular aspects of what the justice department may be doing here and there. but to disrespect that office and the people that work there, who have made careers of fighting crime et cetera is just not acceptable to me having worked there for, you know, a decade or two. >> thank you, good to see you all. coming up, four people have been killed in the phoenix area in the past week alone and police are now identifying one of the victims as a forensic psychiatrist linked to the jonbenet ramsey case. why police believe they may all be connected. plus a newly released study could change medical treatment for hundreds of thousands of women with breast cancer, no more chemotherapy, details ahead. i feel a great deal of urgency...
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have killed four people in a string of related shootings. among the victims, a well known forensic psychiatrist who worked on several high profile cases including the killing of jonbenet ramsey. or nick watt is following this from arizona, how are police linking these four cases? >> reporter: so far they are linking the cases between steven pitt, that forensic psychologist, and three women who were shot in their offices in downtown scottsville. police are linking that evidence, they won't say what that evidence is, now they're trying to link that fourth killing to this same killer, that was martin levine who was found in his office in the early hours of saturday morning, he had also been shot. they have released an artist's impression of the system, but they're not releasing a name,
they're not giving us any indication as to a motive, but they are getting a lot of tips in, and they're following a lot of leads. anna? >> do police believe they have a serial killer on their hands? >> reporter: well, i think they do, they believe that those first three cases were definitely connected, they're working to connect that fourth, does that qualify as a serial killer? that's semantics, but they do believe the cases are connected and they are obviously trying to work at how and why they would be connected. those two par la legalegals wor law enforcement -- he was involved in the jonbenet ramsey case, they were involved in the columbine shooting, is there one case that connects these people that perhaps leads to the suspect? we do not know so far, but one sort of tragic iron any here, anna, is if steven pitt was
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223,000 jobs created just last month. >> well, sure, and they certainly will try to tout that, but i think still the majority of the american people thank president obama for the tough policies that he put in place as we have had record number of consecutive months of job creation ever since obama took office. but moving into the midterm election, there are a lot of americans that are really still worried about their bottom line, including health care costs, health care costs are going up. republicans are now owning the health care costs and especially in places like california, which we see many districts in play, the majority of californians approve of obama care and every single republican voted to repeal obama care, and so that's going to be a brig issig issue
care has been a big issue in all of the races that democrats have won thus far, see these are going to be still kitchen table pocket book issues that democrats are going to continue to run on for those americans who still feel like the economy is not working for them. >> maria, perhaps you just outlined the democratic strategy there, but that was really the first time i have heard it defined. i didn't realize health care was the big issue that democrats were touting. >> it's a very big issue, it's what we won on in alabama, it's what we won in georgia, and it is across the board, a lot of the state elections that we have won that have flipped. we have flipped 40 local deliberatelies fry districts from red to blue and the majority of them were run on health care issues. and that's going to be a big, big plank of the democratic platform moving forward. >> steve, should republicans be worried? >> no, i don't think so. and by the way, if 40 states have been flipped, there were
1,000 seat legislature seats during the reign of president obama that went from democrat to republican. so even if 40 have flipped, it's still just a drop in the ocean compared to what's already gone on this in country and i think will go on in 2018. there is no way to talk about it. by the way the "new york times," don't take it from me, take it from the "new york times," as they said on friday after those jobs numbered, they said we have literally run out of superlatives about those jobs numbers. what didn't get better during the obama years is wages, now they're rising, under the pro growth administration of donald trump. that's what's most important to working class voters to middle class people, many of whom live in the middle of this country, quite literally, who elected trump and he's delivering on his promises to those very people. >> the economic numbers are great, steve, i think we could
all agree with you on that, but is trump stepping all over you on those tariffs? after all you have republican senator bob corker tweeting this last night. he says i'm working with like minded behrend senators to push back on the president using authorities in ways never intended and that is danging to the party. >> when you say -- the washington republicans are not part of the 2016 movement. senator corker has never been -- >> don't we have john kasichdor boehner the former speak of the house -- >> anna, these are establishment -- one thing trump did i think that was magnificent for this country, not just for him but for the country, is he unveiled, he unmasked what is a
crony establishment in washington, d.c., where the d or the r doesn't matter that much to the system they have created. jeff flake are part of that, john kasich. i think your part of that establishment in washington, d.c., of lobbyists and connected people who have benefitted at the expense of regular americans. donald trump came in to smash that system whether it's democrat or republican, and he has done that significantly, to the bottom line benefit of working class americans who have seen their wages rise and their security increase and this is a wonderful movement, and bob corker and people like jeff flake and so-called pseudorepublicans want to stand in their way, they're going to get run over ajust like the democrats did. >> let me flip the coin here, maria, because a lot of eyes are
going to be on california next week, and there we have a bunch of republicans in the fight attacking each other, could that will an opening for the gop? >> that's what they certainly would like to think, anna, but let's look at this, democrats have put 104 districts in play, that means 104 districts are possible takeovers for democrats. we only need 23 districts, 23 seats to flip the house. and many of those seats can be found in california, many can be found in pennsylvania, many are in texas, many are in new york, we have a lot of places where democrats have tremendous opportunity to take over the house. now steve might talk a happy game, which of course he has to because he knows that republicans are in trouble going into the midterm elections. and look economic numbers are good. but if that was the only thing that americans cared about, anna, president trump's approval ratings would be in the 70
percentile rating and they are not. this president still enjoys the lowest approval rating at this point in a presidency of many, many months of having the lowest approval ratings since being in office. >> let me stop you there for just a second. >> and that's what republicans are really worried about. >> hold on a second, because why are you so confident that republicans are in trouble when you see the generic ballot showing that republicans closing in, what is going on in texas and the race between ted cruz and o'rourke, is the blue wave what it wasn't was? >> the fact that you even brought up ted cruz and bethel o'rourke, ted cruz's seat should never even where in play.
bethel o'rourke should never even have made a dentd in the political conversation. the fact that we're even talking about him, i think speaks volumes of the kind of dent that democrats have made and the kind of numbers that we have been able to rack up in the last elections because we have been able to really shrink the margins in places where democrats should never be in play. for example, connor's seat in pennsylvania, look at what happened in alabama, the enthusiasm, there's no question that it's on the democratic side. but let me address one thing. >> we're short on time and i do want to get this little tidbit in as well. in california, it is noteworthy that you look at the registrations of voters and republicans have slid into
third, there are more registered democrats and more registered independents than registered republicans. steve, do you worry at all about that becoming a national trend? >> listen, it's possible, the republican party, i'll be real honest here, the republican party is in search of its soul. because you have people like senator corker, a invested interest in washington, d.c. who are not very popular, but very entitled and very set in their ways and then you have the trump movement, which in many ways is an threat kl to them, so there's a battle going on there, but as far as ted cruz too, i have to get this point in, right now according to polling, it's not a race, according to quinnipiac, he's up by 10%, which is more than what trump won texas by, and what's most encouraging is he's winning the hispanic vote in texas. that's not just great for
president trump, but also for ted cruz. if we capture the hispanic vote, there will be a red wave. >> the republican party is in such of its soul, because when you have a president where he is focused on a culture of corruption, where everything he's focused on is to enrich himself and enrich his family. >> the idea that he needed this, a self-made billionaire, the fact that he needed this for his bottom line is absolutely insulting, not only for him. >> it's not insulting. >> let's talk about off camera, because i got to go. i appreciate it, thanks, guys. a big shake-up in the medical world today, saying many women with early stage breast cancer don't actually need to go chemotherapy treatment anymore. plus a dead whale washing ashore in thailand, what killed it is something you use every
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these kids along with coaching them. >> home scholarship eligible. 5,000 bucks. >> 100% of our kid s have been accepted to college or university. now a couple of kids have earned scholarships. >> i adore my coach. sometimes you think you can do something until somebody pushes you to do it and you're like okay. i just did that. what else can i do. >> you did fantastic job. >> who really needs a sport. we leverage love for a game.
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communities. that problem is one the city of la atlanta is trying to solve. officers live in neighborhoods they patrol and officer mike costello is bridging the divide. >> people will see me and not want to trust me. i think that's the number one obstacle right now is gaining trust with people that maybe you've not had the greatest experience with the police officer in the past. i knew i was going to have to meet a lot of people. it was something i did and went out within first two weeks of me moving in. >> reporter: he moved to atlanta in 2016. at the time more than 80% of the police force was living outside the city limits. the atlanta police foundation is offering that. offering financial incentives to
move into the city and act as liaisons. >> i think it's changed perception. he's been engaged with getting to know neighbors. he has an open door policy. >> you're edge wood eg. >> five years ago this neighborhood, i believe was in a much different state as far as violent crime goes. there's an apartment complex in the community where a police officer, a friend of mine was shot. it's on my running route. >> reporter: he doesn't patrol his own neighborhood. he says live ing in the city ha affected how he approaches policing. >> he's no like i'm the cop type individual. he's a neighbor. he's good people. >> i'm more likely to give second chances to people if it's second chance can be given. >> okay. on this one we're going to a gas station. male location trying to fight everybody. unsure of weapons. that would be him.
everything going okay? you know they called about you, right? >> okay. you good? all right. you know they don't want you heretonight. he's a regular. i don't like taking somebody like that to jail. jail's not going to solve any of that guy's problems. at what point do you keep allowing him to do that. it looks like the tool shed in the back is going to be fully engue engulfed. most police officers know it's dangerous and some bad things can happen to you. i still think that most people in this country like police, love police. know they're there to help them. >> reporter: costello says he hopes sharing a community with the people he's ledged to protect will help change more minds. >> if i can change one person's way of thinking about police, i think that's successful.
hello on this sunday. you're live in the cnn newsroom. tonight questions about the power of the president. just how much it can protect him in the russia investigation that has dogged him from day one. according frou ining president attorney, rudy giuliani, that presidential power is enough to allow the president to wipe away any charges filed against him. >> he's not, but he probably does, he has no intention of pardoning himself but -- that doesn't say he can't. that's another really interesting constitutional law. pardoning other people is one thing. pardoning yourself is another. >> the notion of a presidential self-pardon came up again this weekend because i