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tv. would mr. trump spare george papadopoulos after he ered with robert mueller. a new green light for a lawsuit against the president by a former apprentice contestant. the president may now be forced to answer questions under oath. we want to welcome our viewers in the united statnd around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you are in "the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we're following breaking news on the president. picking new fights with some of his favorite targets.s accusing eagles of a political stunt. this as mr. trump goes even
further in blaming the attorney general jeff sessions for the russia investigation. i will talk with the top democrat in the house intelligence committee, adam schiff. our correspondents and analysts are standing by. first, loets et's go to jim aco. the president put on a show this afternoon. >> reporter: he certainly did. president trump staged his celebration of america event here at the white house after dis-inviting the eagles from their own event dedicated to the super bowl championship sthey won. this is a continuation of his culture wars. this t brigh shiny object of the white house was the nfl's trophy itself. ♪ somewhat singing along, president trump doubted a celebration of america. it felt like a celebration of, you guessed it, him. >> it's bigger than we had anticipated.
>> reporter: white house held this tribute to the nation after pulling the plug on an event honoring the philadelphia eagles for winning the super bowl. mr. trump was furious once he learned of the number of players attending. he tweeted about it. a small number of players decided to come. the white house accused the eagles of attempting a t. >> if this wasn't a stunt by the eagles, then they wouldn't have planned to attend and backed out at the last minute. >> reporter: mr. trump accused them of not being patriotic, lumping the team in with other nfl players who kneeled during the national anthem in protest of police brutality. an issue he talked about at rallies. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say get that son of a bitch off the field right now? he is fired. he is fired! >> reporter: here is the problem. no eagles players took a knee during the regular or postseason. philadelphia's mayor lashed ba in a statement.
patriot but a fragile ego not a mani maniac.egomaniac. >> the eagles will not visit white house tomorrow. >> fox news showed photos of eagles players kneeling. but they were praying, not protesting. fox later apologized. the president had to fly. he left ten minutes after it began and refused to answer our questions. are you saying the football players are not patriotic? the president has been busy on twitter beating up on jeff sessions, tweeting, the russian witch hunt hoax continues because jeff sessions didn't tell me he was going to recuse himself. i would have quickly picked someone else. >> the president made his position on this extremely clear. i don't have anything to add beyond that. >> reporter: one fellow republican told cnn he thinks he knows what's goingon.
>> he is trying to discredit it. he certainly is pushing every edge to see where members of congress will go, if they will support him on tt. i think it's important that we stand up and say, there are limits. >> reporter: sarah sanders was pressed on her false statement to reporters last year, that the president didot dictate a memo to the "new york times," explaining why his m with a russian attorney for dirt on llary clinton at trump tower during the campaign. >> i am not going to get into a back and forth with you. i would refer to you outside i? >> i work day in, day out. i believe, frankly, with the majority of you here in the room, you know i'm an honest person who works hard to provide you with accurate information at all tyimes. i will not engage on matters that deal with the outside counsel. i think my credibility is probably higher than the media's. >> reporter: we should point out, the press secretary never
answered that question. we have late breaking staffing news at the white house. kelly sadler, the white house aide who said in a closed door meeting that john mccain was dieing anyway in reference to tor mcc opposition of the new cia director during the confirmation process, kelly sadler is out. today was her last day at white house. just in the last several minutes, i tried to ask president trump about sadler's departure. he was hosting an event, a bill signing on childhood cancer legislation. because senator mccain is suffering from can right now, i thought it was aniate nue to try to ask about kelly sadler's departure. the president responded he did not want to comment on her situation. >> jim acosta at white house. we will have more on the controversy between the president and the eagles. first, more on the russia investigation unfolding right now. a very serious new allegation against the president's former campaign chairman, paul manafort. now accused by special counsel
of witness tampering. he faces a fry deadliiday deadl respond. he could be thrown in jail pending the trial. jim shciutto is here. trying to get witnesses to lie allegedly for him. >> reporter: it's not clear what combination of nerve or ignorance allowed the pr president's former campaign chairman to contempt them toact attempt to get them to change their testimony. he knew he was under monitoring by authorities. but allegedly the special counsel said he did. paul manafort spent a lot of time in court trying to get freedom to see his family, to travel while this proceeding is under way. it's possible now he will be going to jail. tonight, former trump campaign chairman paul manafort, accused by the special counsel of tampering with witnesses.
encouraging them to lie for him in court. in a new filing, prosecutors claim that manafort repeatedly contacted two people who work for him, identified only as persons d 1 and d 2. manafort and a confidant asked them to make the, quote, ly false claim that he had lobbied on behalf of pro-russian ukrainian politicians only in europe when investigators say in fact, he had lobbied the u.s. congress for those ukrainian politicians from 2011 to 2013. manafort allegedly made the contacts in february, just days after prosecutors unveiled new criminal charges against him. using encrypted text messages, he wrote to d 1, quote, we should talk. i have made clear theyorked in europe. in another encrypted text, man afford's confidant outlined man, quote, our friends never lobbied in the u.s. >> the mueller team is thorough.
they are doing their job well. they are speaking to all of the witnesses. if someone has attempted to tamper with a witness, the mueller team l about that a follow up on it. that's why we may be looking at revoked bail or additional charges for manafort. >> reporter: mr. manafort i innocent and nothing about this later allegation changes defense. we will do our talking in court. mart has ple not guilty to charges related to his failure to disclose his u.s. lobbying work for a foreign government. and to bank fraud and other financial crimes. investigators continue to probe the possibility that manafort coordinated with russians during the presidential election. another trump campaign associate, george papadopoulos, is seemingly looking for a pardon from the president after pleading guilty to lying to the fbi last year about his contacts with russians during the campaign. his wife going on fox news and appealing for the president's help. >> because of this incident, his
freedom is challenged. i trust and hope and ask the president trump to pardon him. i hope he will. >> reporter: days after trump's lawyer admitted trump dictated the original explanation of the 2016 trump tower meeting with russians, a misleading explanation, the present's lawyer rudy giuliani told cnn the changing stories were not lies but a mistake. on the part of mr. trump's original lawyer. >> i don't think anybody is lying. i think a mistake was made at the very early stages an investigation. i don't mean an investigation. very early stages of a representation by a lawyer. which happens all the time. >> reporter: the president's role in deck tating that misleading statement, relevant because the white house has changed its story but because we know that witnesses have been asked about the president's role by the special counsel as part of his inquiry into whether the president or there's evidence the president obstructed justice in the russia investigation. >> lots going on right now. jim sciutto, thank you for that. joining us now, the top
democrat in the house intelligence committee, adam schiff of california. thanks for joining us. >> you bet. >> what is this development with paul manafort, the former trump campaign chairman, tell you about how robert mueller and his team are working? >> well, they are working as i would expect, that is they are keeping a close eye on the case on the witnesses. there's not much that's going to get past him. the fact that manafort would go to this length, that he would potentially be risking a revocation of his bail, additional charges, this evidence can also be used during the trial against him if he is trying to get witnesses to make false statements tells you how desperate paul manafort is. i have to think he is merely digging the hole deeper. quite naive to think bob mueller is not going to be on top of this. >> you speak also as a former federal prosecutor. could this pressure by mueller lead manafort to flip, plead guilty, cooperate and hope for a
reduced sentence? >> it could. it's additional pressure. if manafort is remanded into custody, he may have more time to think about whether he wants to cooperate. if manafort faces potential new charges. it's potentially a signal to manafort that the witnesses are referred to in thert pleadings are cooperating with mueller. he may not have been aware of that until there was this effort to revoke his conditions of bail. >> mueller sends a very powerful message in that document. rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer, told our chris cuomo that the lawyer for the president made a mistake by denying that president trump dictated that first statement by donald trump junior about the 2016 meeting with russians at the trump tower in new york. what's your reaction to that? >> my reaction is it's only a mistake if you consider deliberate lying to be a mistake. here you have the president engaging in a coverup of what took place in the trump tower meeting.
the president was obviously aware of what happened. he knew it wasn't about adoption. but he dictated this statement. we now know that he was so directly involved in putting forward this false representation. then send his people out, sarah sanders among others, to lie and mislead the public about it. it's hard to avoid the conclusion that the president was an active participant in covering up what took place in trump tower and again that's an indication that the president has a consciousness of wrongdoing if there was no collusion, then why lie about what took place in trump tower. >> hope hicks, the communications director for the president, she was there when the president dictated that statement. when she gave an interview to your committee, the house intelligence committee on february 27, was she honest? >> we couldn't get her tonswer questions about the production of that statement, nor could we get cey lewandowski.
this is, of course, the same interaction which don junior claimed that he was protected by attorney/client privilege. if this statement was dictated by his father, as it appears to be the case, there's no privilege that protects that. nonetheless, we couldn't get the gop to insist on answers to it. they didt want to know. now we can tellhy they didn't want to know, because the truth the president was complicit in the production of that false statement. >> you think hope hicks was more forthcoming in her testimony in her question and answer session with robert mueller and his team? >> i'm sure the witnesses were forced to be more forthcoming before bob mueller because they had to know that they didn't have the same home court advantage when they had republican members of our committee acting as surrogate lawyers for the president. they would have had t answer the questions. you can see in the memo, that 22 pages of released documents, that they concede the president
dictated it. they're not going to give that unl they know it's already been shown to bob mueller, if that information was already known to bob mueller. yes, i have to imagine that they told bob mueller about this and this is why they concede the point in that legal argument. >> i suspect you are right. we also now know, congressman, the presidenied or ed the american people about his role in the drafting, the dictating that was statement. should they now clarify when president trump first learned of that meeting at trump tower and the russian offer of so-called dirt on hillary clinton? >> of course they should. i think that this is all the more reason why bob mueller needs to interview the president. if they continue to stonewall, he will have to subpoena the president. it looks like they're trying to use every excuse now not to have him testify. they're trying to obtain materials that they have no business getting. the president has not been indicted that we know of.
they have no right to investigate materials. now they are using this claim, we're not going to submit to an interview without having access to investigative files. that's not the process. they mow it. i would say in terms of sarah sanders, the reason that she keeps refusing to answer these questions i think is probably very apparent. that is, she doesn't want to say publically that the president told her something that wasn't true. sarah sanders either knew it wasn't true or the president told her falsely about the circumstances in the production of the statement. either way, sarah sanders doesn't want to answer that question. >> that's a good point. the president, hardo believe as it is, once again today attacked the attorney general of the united states, jeff sessions, tweeting this. i will read it to you. the russian witch hunt hoax continues, all because jeff sessions didn't tell me he was going to recuse himself. i would have quickly picked someone else. could he still pick someone
else? do you think it would be difficult for him to replace jeff sessions even now? >> yes, i do. i'm glad that the republican senators are at least defending their own. i think senator grassley is saying hee a hearing for a replacement. what is telling to me about that tweet is the president continues to provide evidence to special counsel bob mueller. here he is basically telling us about this corrupt intent of his, that if he had known that sessions would not be there to run interference on the russia investigation, to curtail the russia investigation before it was over, he would have never appointed him. this is yet further evidence of what the president is thinking in terms ofrying to get sessions to unrecuse himself in terms of what he wanted an attorney general of his expectation that he has a right to obstruct the investigation. if you were one of the president's lawyers, i would cringe in seeing the president saying these things publically.
it's just more evidence for the special counsel. >> certainly appears to be the case. congressman adam schiff, thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks. we are learning about why the president was so eager to dis-invite the p eagles and play up the national anthem controversy. here is a hint. politics at play. will a former apprentice contestant force the president to testi under either, even as special counsel tries to lock up an interview of his own?
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breaking news tonight. president trump back at war with the nfl with the white house accusing the championship philadelphia eagles of a canceled the invitation to the executive mansion after many players declined the invitation. don lemon, i'm glad you are with us. i want your thoughts on this. statement the white house put out, the president said the h s eagles' players disagree with their president. no eagles player took a knee during the regular season or the postseason. go ahead. >> that's right. he is trying to pin this on people who are taking the knee and then he came back and changed the statement saying, staying in the locker room. they didn't do that either. according to our very own jake tapper who spoke with a player,
the players said, not many wanted to go, because this president has demonized so many nfl players by calling them sobs and what have you and trying to change the narrative of what this was really about. they said they had a meeting. it was not contentious. they said they didn't want to go because of how the president has handled this and he is trying to reshape the narrative. as you said, no eagles knelt down during the full season. preseason there wae who knelt down. he was released for an unrelated reason. stopped doing it after the nfl donated $100 million to various charities in november. the president and the folks at the podium, they have it wrong. sarah sanders said today, that's what makes this country great is because we stand during the national anthem. what makes this country great is that we have the choice to stand or not to stand during the
national anthem. this is not a dictatorship. we don't have to do anything in this country. >> you were there -- april, you are are us. april ryan was at the white house briefing. you had a chance to ask sarah sanders a question, if the president understands why some of the players actually take a knee. let me play the exchange you had with the white house press secretary. >> is the president aware -- >> go ahead. >> not about disrespecting the flag. >> steven, go ahead. >> i'm asking, is -- there's an underlying issue. it disrespect of the flag and soldiersoldiers. there are black and brown shoulders who feel bringing attention to police-involved shootings is something that this white house should deal with. is the president aware that taking the knee is about police-involved shootings. >> the president made his position crystal clear. that it's -- >> i let you rudely interrupt me
and your colleague. i will ask you to allow me to finish my question. i would be happy to answer if you would stop talking long enough to let me do that. the presideade his position crystal clear on this topic. he feels strongly that standing for our national anthem is something that we should do, something that matters to what makes our country special and unique and what sets us apart. >> amen, april. more of that. >> april following up and ayou.g an answer. all of the folks in the broofing ro room should do what april did. challenge the podium and white house more. they go from one reporter to the other. when they don't like the answer, didn't allow it.f and move on to thank you for doing that. i'm sorry to interrupt. >> thank you, don. you know, it was an interesting exchange. we have been in that briefing room for many years, for decades. strategically, sarah did not want to call on me today.
i listened to her ask -- call on people around me. in the back, in the front. the issue was, the underlying issue, they never dealt with the issue of police-involved shootings. the reason why the nfl playerse reason why colin kaepernick began to take the knee during the obama years -- the reason why it ramped up is because this president found it to be something that his base would like. the bottom line -- i asked this question of the president in october in the rose garden when he was next to mitch mcconnell. he said the same thing. he never answered the underl issue about police-involved shootings. now that the nfl is telling the players to stand -- they have to stand, now what are you to do with thetunderlying issue of police-involved shootings. the issue has been going on since slavery, since blacks -- africans were enslaved. now what are you going to do? you have it on your cellphones.
how do you turn a blind eye to the underlying issue when the groundswell is happening and when you are causing more of a groundswell to talk about this? you talkut all of america. that's the imp the question. everybody was dancing around it and not hitting the issue. >> you know cnn has learned from a source that the president and his political team, they think this is a winning issue for him, especially going into the midterm elections. >> they do. you have cnn's source. last week "the wall street journal" reported that in a call between the president and jerry jones, the president said this is a winning issue for me. there's no way that the nfl is going to win on this. two polls have come out since the nfl announced their new kneeling staying in the locker room policy. both of them, a plurality of those surveyed said they thought it was inappropriate to kneel
during the anthem. that's something the white house is going off of. in that poll, of the people who said that kneeling was inappropriate, they found 92% of those who voted for trump thought it was inappr which suggests that they are playing directly to their base. >> where is this heading? >> i think it's heading into november. i think the president realizes that exercises his -- animates his base. he will continue on with it. he cannot be a unifier. he cannot be the unifier in chief. i don't know what it is that he can't do it. this is an issue where he could actuallyring thery together, bring the team and talk to team owners and players and try to get them to come to some sort of consensus about this. if the president cares about americans' first amendment rights and the rights of his -- the people who support him, then he should care about the first
amendment rights of those people nnal anthem.en to kneel during this isn't about some fake patriotism, about standing or some pageantry. real patriotisnderstanding what theitution means for all americans and abiding by the constitution, not doing some false presentation that you pretend to be a patriot while other people are going to the concession stands, getting beer, fights in the stands or talking to each other with baseball caps on. real patriotism is understandinl and we have the choice to stand, kneel or sit. attend a football if we choose to. >> there's a lot more we need to assess on this and other issues. stick around. don, by the way, is going to have more on all of this later tonight on his program, "cnn tonight," 10:00 p.m. eastern. don will have a lot more on this subject and the day's importa
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i think he has to think about what his next moves are. it's clear that the special counsel is putting all this pressure on h for a r the reason may be to get him to flip. >> also to send a message to others out there as well. >> absolutely. >> jeffrey toobin, is paul manafort heading to jail? >> i was struck by two things. paul manafort must be an arrogant fool to think co-gethe get away with trying to arrange what witnesses say in advance of his trial, notwithstanding the instructions to the contrary. the other thing, i thought the mueller office was pretty wimpy in their -- they said, you know, he should be -- the bail should be revoked or the issue should be re-visited. there are prosecutors and there are judges who would say, lock him up today. i mean, this is america. people get locked up for a ll of a lot worse than what paul
manafort is accused of. the judge is taking this at a stately pace. i will take briefs from manafort on monday. i will hear an argument next friday. come on. this guy violated the terms of his release. the mueller office is like, well, you know, maybe judge, do you think you should do somethin about it. >> doesn't he have to have a chance to defend himself or not in this kind of a case? >> lots of people defend themselves from jail. >> okay. >> that's america. i just think this was such a flagrant violation. why not demand that he be locked up forthwith. >> the president once again implying that this russia probe is the fault of his attorney general. this is what he tweeted earlier. the russian witch hunt hoax continues all because jeff sessions didn't tell me he was going to recuse himself. i would have quickly picked someone else.
what does this say about how he views the justice department? >> i think he is scared. he is frustrated. every time -- if it's tuesday morning and donald trump up worried about t russia investigation, jeff sessions is going to get a tweet about him. i don't see any evidence that he is going to fire him. but sometimes daily, sometimes weekly we see these. i'm told that there would be too much political fallout, that the republicans in the senate have told him that sessions would be hard to replace. for his part, it seems jeff sessions has learned to live with this. until this investigation is over, i think some day a therapist is going to have a field day with trump and his tweets about jeff sessions. >> it's so -- the only thing i can say, it's so humiliating, the president also tweeted this.
he previewed the department of justice inspector general report
that's coming out soon. what is taking so long with the inspector general's report on crooked hillary and slippery james comey? numerous delays.ort is nothange made weaker. the public has a right to know. what is the president implying here? >> i think the president is trying to perpetuate this notion of political bias within the justice department. he is trying to suggest -- he has done so on twitter -- that it's democrats who engaged in corruption and hillary clinton was let off easily while he continues to be under investigation. we have seen th campaign by the president and his allies to discredit the justice department and its work. this reinforces that narrative from his end. i want to add one more thing about jeff sessions. the senate judiciary chairman said if trump were to fire sessions, he would not hold a hearing on a replacement for
attorney general. there is a sense with this president that republicans on catol hillould absolutely be opposed if he were to take that step and actually fire sessions. >> by the way, one of the great ironies is that so would democrats. not one of them voted for jeff sessions, but they understand if jeff sessions were fired and the president -- it would be along the road the president be trying to get rid of to get rid of mueller. also on this trump tweet on the doj inspector general, what he is saying directly is that he believes it's corrupt. his own justice department he thinks i corrupt. an inspector general's report of his justice department, he believes could be -- what was the word he used? changed and made weaker because of political interference. i think we need to remind everybody that this is his attorney general. this is his justice department.
this is his fbi director. he is accusing tho in his own administration, in his government of actually being corrupt. it's stunning. >> it's amazing. when you see it, you covered the story for a long time, it truly is amazing. >> it is. the other thing that you have to wonder here is, we have been hearing about pardons all day long. donald trump is obsessed with pardons. this is nothing new. first of all, it's someplace where he has power unchecked. he can do it. the other thing is, we know that he has asked lawyers, can i pardon myself. this week he tweeted, i can pardon myself. also it sends a message, perhaps, to those out there in t the ether, don't cooperate, don't talk, i pardon a lot of people.
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there are very revealing sident tru and he relationship vice-president pence in a new book. the author, cnn contributor kate anderson, is joining u to talk about it. congratulations on this new book. let's get to some of the new information. how does the president view the vice-president, mike pence, and vice versa? >> i think that they have a very interesting dynamic where vice-president pence views president trump as almost a father figure. he told his brother greg that the president reminds him of their father, who is a bit of a bully. so it's an interesting dynamic, where pence is very loyal to the president at all cost. sometimes too deaf deafer ensh.
i think that's because the father would demand they not speak unless spoken to. for him, serving somebody who is -- can be labeled a lly, i think it's easier for him having grown up in that situation. >> very interesting. how influential was melania in choosing the vice-president? >> i was surprised by this. melania was at the final decisive meeting at the golf club that the trumps own. during the meeting, she spoke up and said he must pick a clean vp, is how she put it. someone who had no messy financial entanglement or any rumors of affairs. you newt gingrich, chris christie, michael flynn was on the list for a while, even though people told the president not to have him on the list. i think that shows her political savvy. people don't really give her credit for that. but she's savvy. she saw things that her husband
didn't necessarily see. she wanted to push for pence. >> you learned something really interesting about vice-president pence ande-president joe biden. what doeheir relationship lock like? >> joe biden told me he talked to mike pence once a month. he kind of is a conduit between the trump administration and foreign leaders. biden was in the senate for almost four decades. great relatiohips with people around the world. so he will call vice-president pence before he has a meeting with a foreign leader, like the greek prime minister or the king of jordan, and give them a readout after the meeting. he says there are a lot of world leaders who are somewhat dividend, he put it, concerned about donald trump. he told me trump doesn't have the bandwidth to deal with foreign affairs. that is why he goes to mike pence who is easier to deal with. >> how did joe biden view the --
view president obama and view his evolution, how he evolved as they worked together? >> i interviewed all six living former vice-presidents for the book. one thing that i noticed again and again is the relationships tend to disintegrate over time. between joe biden and barack obama is one of the few that grew stronger and it was difficult at first. i was surprised by that. it was this bromance. biden didn't like having a boss. he had never had one before. over time, especially the experience of his son and his cancer diagnosis, it brought them much closer. biden told me he stopp eped bringing up beau's name because president obama was so upset about it and would start tearing up at these lunches. it brought them closer together. but i think it's interesting that at the beginning, it was very difficult for biden to kind
of fit in obama's world. >> excellent new book. once again, let me show our viewers. first in line. presidents, vice presidents and the pursuit of power. the authorson brower. congr congratulatio congratulations. everyone is going to learn a lot from this book. thanks for joining us. just ahead, rudy giuliani dismisses a falsement as a simple mistake. chris cuomo is and standing by live to discuss the interview with the president's lawyer. ♪ ♪ bring all your apps to life on a cloud that runs on premises. ♪ ♪ the ibm cloud. the cloud for smarter business.
the breaking news this hour. white house accusing the eagles of a political stunt after a number of players declined an invitation to meet with the president who responded by canceling the event. chris, how are you taking on this nfl with the president on your show tonight? >> i'm going to echo your intentionality in this, wolf. thank you for having me. always good to be with the team captain. we have to take it on is the answer to the question because it's about more than football. it's about more than one team. this is a culture war. that is going on. that's what it is. it's not hyperbol the president is very good at getting in front of situations. he ended this before there could be potential embarrassment for
him. even though it was at the last second. that's about the method. the madness is the president's obvious intention to use what's happening with the flag and "the nati anthem" to divide the country. that's what it is. it's been clear f this is lates manifestation of it. but it's something that just has to stop. no matter what your partisan stripe, you cannot be in favor of seeing this country divided along these lines. >> absy right. you had a very stng, hard-hitting interview with rudy giuliani last night. the lawyer for the president ofy say he and jay sec la made some mistakes? >> yes, he can. and in fact, even in the holy land, in jerusalem, he can swear and look, this is rudy giuliani being an attorney for his client. he sees this as zealous
representation as they teach us in ethics class this law school, but i to tell you, it is hard to swallow. that the president's lawyer didn't know what his role was in something that was so central to the investigation that's going on. i mean, come on. what is the chance that statistically zee it's not something he just saide something they corrected as soon as they knew it not to be true. that's very important, wolf. not until the trump jr. e-mails came out. not until they could secrete it into this tter. sarah sanders never corrected it. i don't blame her the way i blame jay and the lawyer and whoever else was in that room and part of this dynamic, but come on, he didn't know and went the from him having nothing to do with it to him dictating the damn response? >> white house official told "the washington post," chris,
that president trump is quote, obsessed with pardons. the source says there has been favorite thing to talk b about. he may sign doz or more in the next two months. what does that tell you? >> tells me the it's just the latest thing that the media has made relevant that the president wi play to advantage. he'll talk about self-pardoning and experts telling him he has an absolute right to do it. you know that's nottrue. not what the legal community believes. probably not even what the president believes. it's a device to keep this about how he is more powerful than those he opposes. he is president of the united states and that what is being done to him is victimization and wrong and rotten. that's what it is. and everything that he does is some type of extension of that argument and rudy giuliani, i don't know what it means for his own legacy, but there's a reason that the president is shining so bright when rudy giuliani's name is mentioned. he's done a good job, wolf, of
getting the media to talk about this entire situation and in terms they want. that the president should have limitesure when you could make an argumenshould have greater exposure. >> you've got anthony scaramucci tonight. cuomo prime time. 9:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. chris, excellent new work. congratulations on the new show. that's it for me. thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" the president versus eagles. he says it's about patriotism. is it? the mayor of philadelphia is utfront." plus, the president's laoyalty test. a new one along with who's being tested. and the shocking death of fashion designer, kate spade. what drove her to suicide and what was in her note. let's go "outfront." >> good evening, i'm erin burnett. "outfront"