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will carry him through. rudy goes rogue. after the president's lawyer said kim jong-un begged for the summit, he's dmike pompeo is sa giuliani doesn't speak for the white house. cnn investigates the origins of the president's fbi spy claim. untangling the web of false claims. and secretary of chief. senators are demanding another investigation of the epa chief as we're learning more ways that scott pruitt tried to save his own money at taxpayer's expense. did his demand for discount meals give the white house food for thought? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room."
>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. we're following breaking news on the lead up to president trump's summit with kim jong-un. mike pompeo declaring that mr. trump will be prepared shortly after the president said he doesn't need much preparation for the historic talks. pompeo also is trying to diffuse rudy gho rudy giuliani's provocative statement that kim jong-un begged for the summit. invisi insisting the president's lawyer doesn't speak for the administration. more republicans are rejecting the president's fbi spy conspiracy theory. reaction from senator mark warner, the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee. and our correspondents and analysts are substantial doubting -- standing by. pamela brown, the president said this summit is about attitude. >> reporter: he sure does. he struck an optimistic tone during the joint press conference today. saying he believes it will be a great success in terms behalf he thinks it will take to make it
successful, he said it's about attitude not being overly prepared, wolf. president trump meeting with japanese prime minister shinzo abe at the white house. >> it will be a pretty crowded number of days, but very exciting. i think a lot of good results could come about. >> reporter: it's just five days from trump's highly anticipated summit with north korean leader kim jong-un. >> i'm very well prepared. i don't think i have to prepare very much. it's about attitude. about willingness to get things done. i think i've been preparing for the summit for a long time. as has the other side. >> reporter: the president today knocking the notion the singapore summit is just a photo op. >> it's going to be more than a photo open. i think it's a process. they have to denuke. if they don't denuclearize, that will not be acceptable. we cannot take sanctions off. the sanctions are extraordinarily powerful. we cannot -- and i could add a lot more but i've chosen not to
do that, at this time. but that may happen. >> reporter: trump later telling reporters he someday hopes for a global relationship with north korea. >> normalizing relations is something i would expect to do. i would hope to do when everything is complete. we would hope to do that. >> reporter: and said kim jong-un may be invited to visit the white house if all goes well. >> certainly if it goes well. i think it would be well received. i think he would look at it favorably. i think it could happen. >> reporter: president trump's attorney may have ruffled feathers with his north korea comments yesterday. >> kim jong-un got on his hands and knees and begged for that. that's the position you want to put him in. >> reporter: mike pompeo slugged off the comments today. >> rudy doesn't speak for the administration when it comes to this negotiation and this set of issues. >> reporter: but, first, trump travels to quebec for the annual g7 summit.
many at odds with the president over his recent trade decisions. >> translator: for me, it's a question of principles. we can't wager trade war between friends. >> reporter: this as the president is seemingly more willing to engage with potential adversaries. today striking a controversial deal to ease sanctions that brought zte, a chinese telecommunications company to the brink of collapse. trump's top economic advisor -- >> we're talking everything through. there may be disagreements. i regard this as much like a family quarrel. i'm always the optimist. i believe it can be worked out. >> and sources are familiar with the matter say there has been some internal debate ahead of the president's globe trotting. he questioned aids whether it's necessary for him to go to canada. whether anything worthwhile will come out of the meetings in the remote part of quebec. he has been told by his aids
it's important for him to go to canada. that will be his first stop. then he'll be heading to singapore on saturday. that's clear, really, that's what he's most looking forward to. >> i understand you are getting new information about the white house communications staff? >> reporter: that's right. sources familiar with the matter say that the white house is poised to purge several lower level junior staffers from the white house communications staff. as you know, a couple of days ago kelley sat ler made the comment about dying john mccain she was let go from the white house. that's the beginning, we're told. the president has increasingly viewed the communications office as obsolete. there has been some restructuring going on. there's an audit done to figure out how they can send the ranks. and the initial plan to do it at once to remove some of the staffers and put them in other parts of the administration. that's expected to happen very soon, wolf. >> pamela brown, thank you for that. pamela brown at the white house.
to the russia investigation. president trump's campaign to discredit it. tonight there's even more republican pushback against the president's claim that an fbi spy infiltrated his campaign. let's bring in our senior congressional correspondent manu raju. you've been investigating this. you'll have more coming up later this hour. right now, you have breaking news on republicans increasingly speaking out against the president's position on this issue. >> yeah. republicans are saying there's nothing there behind the president's claims and spies infiltrating his campaign. a number of republicans told me they hope the president drops this and focuses on other issues going forward saying it's a distractions. there's nothing to base these allegations on. one republican, even some of the president's own allies like senator lindsey graham saying the president doesn't have any evidence to back up the claim. >> i haven't looked at the evidence but i've seen no
indication that a informant was placed inside the trump campaign. i don't see any evidence muof that. >> it doesn't do our country any good to put forward conspiracy theories like this to down play our -- to denigrate our institutions like the department of justice and the fbi. it's not a good thing. >> and, wolf, news that just moments ago. the house intelligence committee is ranking democrat adam schiff sent a letter to devon nunez asking him to provide interview transcripts of the people who came through their committee to bob mueller's investigation saying it could help with the mueller investigation and perhaps schiff is raising concerns some of the witnesses may have lied to the committee. he wants mueller to investigate further. we'll see if the republicans agree to release these
transcripts. >> indeed. the senate intelligence committee, i understand, overnight agreed to cooperate with the justice department on something else that is pretty sensitive. >> yeah. very sensitive. very unusual move last night. the senate quietly passed a resolution authorizing the senate intelligence committee to share information with the justice department. it's part of an investigation about a former staffer of the senate intelligence committee about unauthorized disclosure information. we're hearing that there's some charges that maybe are being prepared by the justice department about this very issue. it's still uncertain who this individual is and exactly the nature of the disclosure of this classified information. but an unusual move in richard burr told me earlier today that this is a very rare for something like this to happen. they say they're fully cooperating with this requirement. >> the stakes are significant in this particular case. thank you very much. you'll be back in a little while. he's done some serious
investigation of the president's spy claim. how it originated. we'll have the report that's coming up, as well. right now joining us democratic senator mark warner. senator, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> quickly, if you can. what can you tell us about what manu just reported on the former staffer of your committee? >> this is an ongoing legal proceeding. it's now in the hands of the department of justice. i'll have nothing to add today. >> at this point, what can you give us? the nature of the investigation? >> i just -- this is a legal proceeding that is being carried out, and i've got no comment today. no further comment today. >> all right. i'll let you go on this. can you tell us if it involves the overall russia investigation. >> wolf, you can ask it a half dozen different ways. i got nothing else for you today. >> obviously very sensitive issue. we totally understand. we now have heard the chairman of your committee, senator
richard burr. i know you work closely with him. paul ryan, senator lindsey graham among other republicans rejecting the president's claim that the fbi planted a spy in his presidential campaign. why won't these republicans say this directly, though, to the president? >> wolf, that's a great question. i mean, the truth is, we all came out. we heard the same pieces of information. the fbi acted totally appropriately. what is outrageous, and, frankly, should have gotten more attention the white house and one of the allies were trying to force the deduct -- director of the fbi and the deputy attorney general to disclose classified information about a individual in a partisan-only setting. bypassing the way the process has been set up.
if there's top secret information that needs to be relaid, it's relaid bipartisan to the so called gang of eight. unfortunately this white house is trying to completely bypass and run a fast one by the gang of eight and force the head of the fbi to reveal classified information on a individual's name. luckily the heads of our intelligence community and fbi stood true to their oath of office and did not reveal information. i think everyone other than perhaps the white house agrees that there was no there there. >> can you tell us who the ally that the president -- the white house wanted to do this? >> there's been speculation on that. i'll leave it at what i've said. it was the white house and one of their allies. other than that, everybody else heard the same message and i give a great deal of credit to my democratic and republican colleagues who have been willing to push back on the president's latest fantasy.
>> i would assume you're talking about devon nunez. can you tell us if that's the case. >> i'm going to leave it where i stated. >> you have written to the fbi director and deputy attorney general for confirmation that none of the information that the so-called gang of eight received at that highly classified briefing about the fbi confidential source made the way into the hands of the president's legal team. have you received a response? >> we have not received a response. as a matter of fact, again, one of the things that was so inappropriate about this attempted -- around the gang of eight and trying to share and force classified information to a partisan-only meeting was that the president's not only his chief of staff but his lawyer. his lawyer who is involved with his potential collusion activities was trying to show up for this gang of eight meeting. completely inappropriate and embarrassing. >> the justice department's inspector general report is
expected to fault james comey's handling of the clinton e-mail investigation. do you accept that james comey violated protocol? >> wolf, i would like to see the inspector general's report before i comment on it. i know pieces have been leaking out. i've tried throughout this whole investigation. i would like that reserve judgment until i look at the whole report. it was clearly a lot of controversy about how mr. comey han handled the clinton tapes and e-mails. >> earlier the president tweeted this. why don't people start saying thank you, mr. president, for firing james comey. if the inspector general's report is tough on comby in a bunch of areas involving the hillary clinton e-mail investigation, will you agree with the president that he was right to fire him? >> listen, i'll look at the
inspector general's report, but what we know from the president's own lips on national tv was the reason he fired jim comey was to try to get rid of the russia investigation. or get rid of the whole russia thing. i think that firing was completely inappropriate if he was trying to stop an ongoing investigation of his or people affiliated with him activities in terms of potentially being involved with russia and their interference in the 2016 elections. >> we're told this inspector general's report michael horowitz was prepared some 500 pages of going through all of what comey and others did in that hillary clinton investigation. it's going to be very tough, we're told, on comey. does it weaken comby's standing, though, as a potential witness in the mueller investigation? >> you know, a fair question, wolf. i think there was, obviously, a lot of consternation about
comey's reopening of the hillary clinton e-mail so close to the election and then closing it back up literally three or four days before the election. i'm not going to -- i want to see the inspector general's report before i make any comment. nobody has seen the actual report. what we know is that this president fired jim comey. told the russians he fired him because he thought he was involved with the russian thing. he went on national tv and said that. that was because there was an investigation into russian interference in the election. also, any collusion with the trump campaign. the firing, i still think, was inappropriate. and let's face it, that was what birthed, in many ways, the mueller investigation. if you look at the president's actions and ragging of mueller. if you look at his unhappiness with the fact that the attorney general recausused himself.
look at him trying to force the false stories about spy gate or whatever he wants to call it. it's no the actions of somebody who says they have nothing to hide. this will continue to play out. our bipartisan investigation will continue to play out. the mueller investigation will continue to play out. i want it to be done as soon as it can be. we have to have the facts. >> i would atiyou would agree i comey that was wrong in revealing the information from the fbi investigation. whether in july or a few days before the election. usually the fbi makes recommendations but it's up to the justice department, the attorney general, the deputy attorney general, or a u.s. prosecutor or u.s. attorney to announce whether or not charges are filed. will comey's behavior undermine the entire mueller investigation as a result? >> first of all, i think it's appropriate. it's traditional that the fbi doesn't comment, particularly when they don't proceed on a
case. we're going to get the inspector general's report in appropriate due time. i think some people have said, you know, tomorrow or early next week. let's look at that and i'll be happy to comment. but the mueller investigation, which was started because it wasn't started by jim comey. it was started by the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein who drew a conclusion there needed to be an investigation. to carry-on an investigation that, obviously, the president had tried to stop by firing jim comey into russian involvement in the 2016 election. i'm glad that investigation has gone on, because what we know now a year and a half later is that the russians massively intervened. they did it to help trump and hurt clinton. trump intelligence officials confirmed that. our committee has confirmed that. they touched 21 states electoral systems. we're not fully secure for the elections come this fall. they used social media in ways that were unprecedented.
and we still need to get our arms around that and put guardrails. and we know that so far out of the mueller investigation there's been 15 indictments, including the indictment of the president's campaign manager. and four guilty pleas. there's been a lot of production already from the mueller team. and, obviously, if there's already guilty pleas, that was necessary to take place. >> i want to talk to you about zte. the chinese telecom company. comey himself testified before congress he launched the investigation in july of 2016 when they got some suspicions of russian activities going on involving the trump campaign. let's talk about zte for a moment. as you know, there's a deal been reached between the u.s. government and the chinese that the chinese will pay $1 billion in escrow. allow u.s. experts to oversee what is going on. as a result, zte is going to be back in business. is this a good deal? >> wolf, this is a horrible deal for our country's national
security. and don't take my word. take the word of trump's kra director. take the word of trump's director of national intelligence. the word the fact of the pentagon banned zte commitment. all the folks that say this is comprised equipment. my background was in the wireless industry in the telecommunications business. when those experts say don't buy this equipment, i would follow that advice. and candidly, i was pleased when the president first put these strict requirements on zte. and said we were going to stop purchasing this kind of equipment. what concerned me was he immediately buckled once the chinese pushed back. and i understand he's trying to start to engage in a trade war with china use other items other than national security concerns like this equipment bender that is penetrating many of our networks now as a training chip. the idea that a billion dollar
fine and putting some compliance officers into this company just doesn't cut the mustard. >> senator warner, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. ahead from the secretary of state to the first lady's office. rudy giuliani talking about things he doesn't know anything about. whether the president's can or should be. 6,000 feet above sea level. but how do you really know that the beans journeyed to the port of mombasa and across the pacific? that you can trust they're 100% authentic? ibm blockchain. a smart way to track every step, ensuring this coffee did indeed come from 6,000 feet above sea level. and not a foot lower. ♪ ♪ until her laptop her sacrashed this morning.eks, having it problems? ask a business advisor how to get on demand tech support
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mike pompeo insisting president trump will be prepared for a summit with kim jong-un next week despite the president's suggestion there's not much preparing to do. we'll dig deeper with our analyst. listen to what the president said earlier in the day. listen to this. >> i think i'm very well prepared. i don't think i have to prepare very much. it's about attitude. it's about willingness to get things done. i think i've been preparing for are the summit for a long time. as hass the other side. they've been preparing for a long time. it's not a question of preparation. it's a question of whether or not people want it to happen. we'll know it very quickly. >> what does that tell you about the president's mind set as he gets ready for the summit? >> this is one of the most high stakes meetings that this president, any u.s. president, for that matter, will be a part of. when he said he's not concerned with preparation that reinforces the notion that he's not
involved in the particulars when it comes to the substance of these negotiations. his administrations has for months preparing for the summit behind the scenes. his comments serve as a reminder it's a president that places more value on optics than substance. regardless of what preparations has team has made, if he doesn't believe he's winning, he's prone to quickly reversing course. i also think it reflects his attitude toward international relations in general. you've seen it with the iran nuclear deal. you've seen it with the steel and aluminum tariffs. he likes to project the aura of toughness. he believes that will get the other party to bend to the united states. we'll see if it's been successful. it's been problematic for his administration so far. >> a sensitive moment, samantha, right now. in the lead up to this summit, especially after the president's new national security advisor john bolton saying they were looking at the libya model. there was no more gadhafi.
rudy giuliani followed up with this. listen >>well, kim young ungot on his hands and knees. >> watch how mike pompeo reacted. >> i think he was a bit ingest. we're moving forward. we're focussed on the important things. i know rudy. rudy doesn't speak for the administration when it comes to this negotiation and this set of issues. >> sloppy. how sensitive is this? >> i think even the north koreans know that rudy giuliani doesn't speak for anyone except the voice in their head. i think they're probably going to discount it. it raises the point of who the administration is putting out ahead of the singapore summit to represent our strategy. pompeo has become the point man on everything. diplomacy and deterrence. he gave a speech today he talked about maximum pressure. we have not seen ambassador john
bolton. we haven't seen secretary mattis. we haven't seen secretary min knew shin. it appears a little bit like we're putting all our eggs in the diplomatic basket and not letting these other members of the administration speak. >> how do you see it, jeffrey toobin? >> you know, i'm sorry, wolf. i was distracted. i didn't hear you properly. why don't you ask -- >> let me ask the specific question. >> ron, i'll get back to jeffrey in a moment. how do you see it unfolding. historic summit about to take place in singapore and all a sudden the president's personal lawyer weighs in with a derogatory statement about the north korean leader. >> it's another example of how beyond the traditional bounds this administration is in so many ways. somewhat even more revealing, if you look at the first half of
the president's travel schedule, when he's to meet with the g7 leaders with whom he's in an unbridled state of tension. if you juxtaposition these two events, it gives you a revealing insight into the president's view of the world. he views our relationships with other nations essentially as transactional. as what they can do for you at any given moment. every u.s. president from roosevelt through barack obama republicans like reagan and nixon, as much as democrats like truman believe there was value in the u.s. being the leader of a globally based system built on rules. structured around alliances. the president really doesn't seem to see it that way. he views each interaction as essentially a zerosome game. what can you do for me? what can i get out of it. and thus the entire process is just strewn with much more division and uncertainty than we're accustomed to. >> because, jeffrey, the
president clearly seems more anxious to meet with kim jong-un than america's closest allies. >> i think it is remarkable. young there have been, you know, these divisions in american history between, you know, isolationism and internationalism. and the president seems to sort of move back and forth between them. when it comes to our allies in trade, he's, you know, america first. we don't need allies. we don't need alliances. but when it comes to military matters, you know, he has been more on the sort of neo conservative side. you know, threatening iran. and, you know, at least initially threatening north korea. this is why our allies are having a hard time predicting which way he'll go. i think, you know, one of the very open questions about this summit is, you know, which donald trump will show up. is it the one who seems deeply, deeply anxious to make a deal or the fellow at the u.n. calling
him little rocket man? >> it's interesting on the eve of the summit, sabrina. president macron could be g 6 plus one meaning the united states is not involved. the president tweeted please tell the prime minister and macron they create nonmonetary barriers. the u.s. trade surplus is $151 billion and canada keeps our farmers and others out. look forward to seeing that tomorrow. pretty awkward these exchanges on the eve of the summit. >> i think it's remarkable. i think in the first year and a half of this administration, many world leaders were reluctant to out wardwardly crie the president. they're now seeing he's willing to take action without much concern over these long standing u.s. alliances. and i think you're going to see more and more of them now speak
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and rather demeaning remarks about stormy daniels. he said the porn star has no reputation and can't be defamed because she sold her body, he says with, for money. we're joined by stormy daniels' lawyer. thank you for joining us. i want to play for you precisely what rudy giuliani said in israel about your client. >> i'm sorry, i don't respect a porn star the way i respect a career woman or a woman of substance. or a woman who has great respect for herself as a woman and as a person that isn't going to sell her body for sexual exploitation. >> all right. you've said that he's a pig. i'm quoting you now. are these attacks likely to undermine the credibility of your client? >> wolf, i don't think so. i don't think that mr. rudy giuliani's attacks will go
anywhere. i think women around the world and in america can see through them. see him really for what he is. you know, i do want to go back on what i said, though, i called him a pig last night and this morning and earlier today. an apology, actually, wolf, is in order. but not to mr. rudy giuliani but rather to the pig. i owe an apology to the pig for associating mr. giuliani with a pig. it's disgusting. he should have been fired. and the fact he wasn't shows a complete lack of leadership and moral compass on the part of the president. rudy giuliani stood by his remarks and went further with dana bash earlier in the day. if he said you're involved with the sort of slimy business that says something about you.
says something about how far you'll go to make money. our real point about her she's not just generally uncredible, she's uncredible from the point of view of wanting to get money. she's a con artist. your reaction. >> again, look, this guy has new credibility. i mean, i think he's lost his marbles. these comments are so outside the realm of normalcy and logic that it is astounding. it's shocking. the fact he would double down on the comments, triple down on them today on two separate occasions, it's shocking to me. i don't get it. i don't understand why this president continues to employ somebody of this nature. this guy is a disaster. >> but is it the goal of your client to make money, as he allegations. he says she's trying to make money through her body. >> that's just not true, wolf. it's a personal attack. mr. trump and mr. giuliani and
mr. cohen and their lawyers, they have engaged in an attempted character assassination on my client and me personally over the last two weeks. it's not going to work. and the reason why they're doing it is because they don't want to answer the tough questions. they can't fight us on the facts and the evidence. so they want to distract. by demeaning us, calling us names, et. cetera. it's not going to work. >> let me ask you about the lawsuit that you and stormy daniels filed yesterday. accusing her former lawyer, keith davidson, of working with michael cohen, the president's long time lawyer and fixer to manipulate daniels to president trump. is there more of a blow to keith davidson than michael cohen? >> no, wolf. i think it's a blow to both of them equally. i think it shows the desperation that michael cohen was willing to resort to in order to protect mr. trump and cover up what happened here. but, you know, this raises a
good point, wolf. if my client was not to be believed and she had no credibility, then why did michael cohen pay her $130,000? why did michael cohen arrange for her to go on the sean hannity show and desperately try to get her to go on the sean hannity show in january of this year if, in fact, they believe my client had no credibility? >> all of us have read the lawsuit that you filed, including all the text messages you had between michael cohen and keith davidson. can you tell us where you got access to those text messages? >> we finally got access to those text messages, wolf, after months of demands placed on mr. davidson. he gave us a portion of his file, a portion of the text messages. he refused, without legal justification, to give us the balance of the file, the balance of the text messages. he's refused to give us anything, for instance, after march 2nd. we think the reason is clear. that is because these text
messages and the balance of the file are going to paint the very ugly picture for both mr. davidson and mr. cohen. we're going to get to the bottom of it. >> one final question. have you identified the man in the sketch that you say threatened stormy daniels? that tip line, as you know, has been open for some time. >> it has been. we run a lot of leads to ground. i think we're getting very close. we believe that we may have someone that, in fact, may be the individual that threatened her but we're not ready to announce it quite yet. >> when did you you'll have it? >> well, we don't know. we're going to be careful because, as you know, i mean, we don't want to be wrong about this. we don't want to out someone who is innocent. because of the ramifications of that on that person's life. we're going to be really, really careful before we make an announcement. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. just ahead, the birth of a conspiracy theory. what lead president trump to
conspiracy theories. manu raju joins us. trump's latest claim when he tweeted the fbi began spying in december of 2015. it appears the president was not relying on classified intelligence but instead unsubstantiated reports. there's no basis to support the president's allegation. it was a stunning claim from the president. a tweet suggesting that the fbi investigation into the trump campaign actually started way back in december of 2015, something not supported be i the evidence or by the testimony in the former director that said it began seven months later. >> this investigation began in late july. >> reporter: the president's proof, text messages between two fbi officials. trump tweeted about the discovery. "spy gate is in full force" this may be where the president learned about the claim. >> unredacted texts that reveal how the fbi may have initiated a
number of spies into the trump campaign as early as december. december of 2015. >> reporter: that fox report came after the far right website gate way pundit seized on a twitter user who took a photo of the text to claim the fbi was unite using foreign agents against trump. a cnn review of the text messages between the officials show no evidence to back up the claim that the russia investigation started in december 2015. the texts in question are not even new. the same text messages had been sitting on it shines a light on how trump seizes on conspiracy theories to further his political arguments, like when he falsely claimed barack obama wasn't born in the united states. to his latest, leveling unsubstantiated charges that spies have been placed in his campaign to help hillary
clinton. >> how do you like the fact they had people infiltrating our campaign? can you imagine? can you imagine? >> his critics are alarmed. >> it doesn't do our country any good to put forward conspiracy theories like this, to downplay and denigrate our institutions. like the fbi and the department of justice. >> the latest conspiracy theory appears to have no basis in reality. the text messages in question focus on an exchange between strucken pay, a former fbi lawyer. the two had substantial texts while having an affair and their messages have been used by critics to argue that the mueller investigation is biased against trump. in december 2015, struck texts a page. according to justice department guidelines, lures are first to
convince a former attendant to leave the country so they can be federally prosecuted in the u.s., a common practice by the fbi. page responded to that text. no, it just explains a bigger policy issue. i'll explain later. but none of the text messages from the same time period in december 2015 discussed any kind of investigation into trump or russia. the one-time page did share a news article about trump and called him an utter idiot. congressional sources from both parties who have reviewed the texts say they have no reason to believe the text is referring to a former investigation into the trump campaign. still, that's not how former trump media portray it. ban ho about an hour later, trump september his tweet to his 250 million twitter followers. then the conspiracy unfolded on fox that evening. >> it certainly appears they were looking to put more lures into the campaign in 2015.
>> republican congressman robin santos, who has joined the president's attacks against the special counsel, said this. >> this did not just start on 31st of july -- >> in may of 2016. >> i think he has exposure because of that testimony. >> on capitol hill, some of the republicans scratched their heads at the president's latest conspiracies. >> i haven't looked at the evidence, but i have seen no indication that a confidential informant was placed inside the trump campaign that acted as a spy. i don't see any evidence of that. i'm not going down the road to say this is some sort of exercise to frame the president. i have no reason to believe that. >> wolf, next week the justice department will brief them about the use of the confidential fbi source. this time they'll see records after being told of contents. >> great reporting, manu. thank you very, very much. chris cuomo pressures sarah
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the white house press secretary sarah sanders force to do defend her credibility in a powerful interview with cnn's chris cuomo. he joins us right now. chris, you talkinterviewed sara sanders about her credibility, and she said the fact she sat down with you showed she has credibility. but there's more to it, right? >> that's right. i really hoped this would be a positive pivot. let's talk about it and move forward. she didn't take that opportunity. my guess is she's in a rough spot and she's been handcuffed. there's no answer that's good for her or the administration.
the problem is it's illogical because she doesn't need to refer to ex term counsel for something she said in her capacity as press secretary. jay sekulow is not her attorney. he's the personal attorney for the president of the united states. it engenders more of this misconception when it comes to covering the white house. >> the best thing i thought of from her perspective was if a lawyer said to her, you know what, don't say anything else, just remain silent on this. you went to law school. what do you think? >> no. i think that -- first of all, we have no indication she has counsel set up for that purpose, and even so, it doesn't make sense. this is her representative capacity as an employee of the white house. she's working for the american people. of course she's got to take the president's position, that's her job, but no, there is no legal accommodation here going on. i think this is just straight message control, and i just think it's breeding more discontent because the media has
to ask questions. it's not enough just to give an answer. she said shs y, you just don't y answer. it was nonresponsive. she was on the plane when they drafted the response. so, you know, she has some proximity to this situation. she could maybe understand how it got miscommunicated or whatever. at least say she wishes she had cleared it up sooner. but she didn't take that opportunity. all i could do was offer. >> you had a different sanders on tonight, senator bernie sanders, also the president's campaign manager. what do you want to hear from them? >> bernie sanders. the fate or state of the democratic candidate in the midterms. what are they selling and why should they buy? does he believe it's bleeding into proper governance? then i want to have a series of conversations with these people who are at the front of the parties about what they believe in most. so tonight with bernie sanders as part of his empowerment
agenda, i want to take a much deeper look at what he believes health care should be. his single payer, medicare for all. we've done a lot of homework and i believe we can simplify it for people and give them a better picture of the pluses and minuses. >> tonight, "cuomo prime time" at 9:00 p.m. eastern. outfront, next, winging it. the president says he doesn't need to prepare for a summit with kim jong-un. is it all about attitude? it's getting ugly. an all-out war of words between president trump and the president of france just before they meet face to face. melania trump says she knows what she thinks about stormy daniels, but tonight the first lady slams back. let's go out front. good