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in france. and that's where he was shooting the latest episode of his award-winning show. bourdain was an amazingly gifted storyteller, writer, traveler and chef. his death has come as a complete shock to his family, his friends, his fans around the world. i want to bring in alex marquardt for the very latest. alex? >> good morning, pamela. that's right. this is just stunning news, terrible shock. he was really a giant, not just for those of us at cnn, but for what was a global following. they were drawn in by his storytelling that was unlike anyone else out there. he was distinct in every way. truly was a unique character with a unique ability to connect and to tell stories that on the surface were about food, but very quickly scratched that surface, revealing whole new worlds to his viewers. now, cnn did put out a statement in the wake of his death this morning, i want to read part of that. it says his love of great adventure, new friends, fine food and drink and the remarkable stories of the world
made him a unique storyteller. his talents never cease to amaze us and we will miss him very much. >> for anthony bourdain, the recipe for understanding people, understanding cultures around the world, and creating a hit tv show couldn't be more straightforward. >> we ask very simple questions, what makes you happy, what do you eat, what do you like to cook, and everyone in the world we go and ask these very simple questions, we tend to get some really astonishing answers. >> reporter: bourdain was found dead friday morning by a friend in a hotel room in france, where he was filming for his award-winning show "parts unknown." the cause of death was suicide. >> all the way out on the tip of cape cod, where at age 17 i started washing dishes and started working in the restaurant business, and as a summer job, and began my sort of trajectory in both the
restaurant business and into drugs. someone who wakes up in the morning and the first order of business is get heroin, i know what that's like. >> reporter: bourdain started working in kitchens at a young age and would become a celebrity chef, author, as he made his way into television. the smithsonian called him the original rock star of the culinary world, elvis of bad boy chefs. it was his way with words, his irreverence, curiosity, ease and warmth that fueled his massive following. bourdain didn't shy away from talking about past demons, heavy drug use that included an addiction to heroin and cocaine use. so bad, he said, he should have died in his 20s, but instead lived what he called a charmed life. >> massachusetts is quite small town america. >> reporter: he addressed his past head on, while highlighting the opioid epidemic in massachusetts in an episode of his show. >> this is what it was supposed to all be about. >> reporter: bourdain came to cnn in 2013, bringing his show to a global audience.
throughout his tv career, he won award after award. it was the food that lured people in, but viewers knew it was about so much more. >> incredible. >> reporter: quickly finding themselves immersed in an experience that focused on people, exotic places and faiths from around the world. he insisted he wasn't a journalist, but over the years, forged a unique style of storytelling that was unmatched. and, pamela, bourdain was 61 when he died as we noted. he was divorced once, currently separated from his current wife and has a preteen daughter who he had said he hoped would never end up with a chef like him. he reflected on the incredible twists and turns that his life took, he survived his 20s, became successful in his 40s and became a father in his 50s. he once commented on all of that success to an interviewer saying, i feel like i've stolen a car, a really nice car and i keep looking in the rear view mirror for flashing lights. our thoughts are with him and
his family and everyone out there who loved him. pamela? >> alex marquardt, thank you very much. i want to bring in former personal chef to oprah, former florida governor jeb bush as well, art smith. i know this is a tough day for you as well. you knew anthony bourdain. what do you remember about him the most? >> what i loved about anthony is what he brought, the humanity of the world to the viewer and to people. there was not moa more loving m than anthony bourdain. i met him through my work with equality. we were at the south beach wine festival for a big party and anthony came to show his support. that's how we met. i was so inconsiderably touched that a man of his, you know, strength and power and that would come and be there. i love the fact that he was -- he walked the walk and talked the talk. he was totally no nonsense.
i love the fact that he would always get the essence of humanity. okay, he was the most fantastic chef. i consider him the einstein of chefs. he could do anything. he was a fantastic, best-selling writer. i mean he was just incredible. but what he did to bring the world to the viewer, no one has done so greater than anthony. and it is so sad. i feel so sad for his family. and chef eric ripert, and just truly -- it is a huge loss for the culinary community and for the world because, you know, he brought the world to us. >> he did. he did. and, you know, his show, "parts unknown," it was the food that may have drawn you in, but the show was about so much more. this really struck me, he won the peabody awards as we know several years ago. what the judges said, i feel like, really sums up what he was able to do. the judges said he's irreverent,
cu curio curious, never condescending. those words really could not ring more true about anthony bourdain. >> it is true. and, you know, to think that a chef, a chef, not a trained journalist, but a chef could get -- every journalist, it is about getting the essence of that story and that he was able to get right in there, he may be eating the most interesting things or talking about whatever, but he would just get the essence. and most importantly it was the people that he loved so much, he loved food, but he loved people. >> that was so evident, no matter who he was interacting with and he was just so authentic, what an amazing human being, a loss for everyone around the world, truly. art smith, thank you so much for coming on and sharing your memories of anthony bourdain. >> thank you. >> the death of bourdain comes
as a new cdc report finds that suicide rates are on the rise in almost every state. from 1999 to 2016, 25 states had increases of more than 30%. researchers also found that more than half of the people who died did not have a known diagnosed mental health condition. i want to bring in cnn senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. elizabeth, with this news of anthony bourdain taking his life, and, of course, this comes on the heels of kate spade, it just shows you that it doesn't discriminate. >> it doesn't discriminate, pamela. i think allison cammarata earlier on the air said something i think was very touching and she said, you know, very true, which is that success does not -- it is not a cure for depression or for mental illness. success is not a vaccine. and i think, you know, we all need to think about when we look at people and think they have it all, everything is okay, that's not always the case.
>> and it makes you think why, why are suicide rates on the rise as i said from 1999 to 2016, 25 states had increases of more than 30%. why? >> you know, they're not exactly sure, pamela. but there is a couple -- there are a couple of things we know. you said the dates, 99 to 2016, that encompasses the economic downturn of 2008. and so a lot of people, their lives were really affected during that time. and so that may be part of the reason we're seeing the increase. also, the opioid epidemic that we're seeing now, that started during that time period. and so those may be two things that are coming into play. another factor that we -- that needs to be looked at is the accessibility to firearms. nearly half of the people in this study who killed themselves, they did so with a firearm. and i've certainly had mental health professionals say to me, many times when people kill themselves, it is this -- this sort of -- this feeling that they have at that moment and there is a gun nearby and they can use it.
and if there weren't a gun nearby, perhaps they would still be alive today. >> and the saddest part too is that that feeling where they feel like this is my only option, it is going to pass. it will pass but so often when you're in that, you don't know it, you don't feel that way. and also part of this study coming out from researchers is that half of the people who died did not have a known diagnosed mental health condition. so what are those signs and what should others be looking out for, their family, their friends. >> you know, i think, first of all, i want to -- i'm so glad you pointed it out. online, on our website, and all over the internet is the line for the suicide prevention hot line. and people need to know that they can call that number. and that in that moment, when everything feels so overwhelming, there is someone at the other end of the phone who can help you. and so i think that, you know, as friends, as family members, we need to know we need to look out for signs of feeling like there is -- people talking and feeling like there is no other
option. that they have reached the end of the line. a feeling sort of more pessimistic about things than reality would tell us. i think it is important to say that sometimes suicides happen when there is no warning sign. i think kate spade's husband talked about this, that they had no idea that's how she was feeling at that moment. sometimes even people who are closest to us just don't know. >> you just don't know the demons that they're dealing with in their heads. elizabeth cohen, thank you so much, really important insight reporting there. it bears reporting -- repeating, i should say, if you know anyone, a family member, a friend, a colleague that may need help, please call the national suicide prevention hot line. that number is 1-800-273-8255. they are available 24/7. we'll be right back. her salon was booked for weeks, until her laptop crashed this morning.
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right now, president trump is en route to canada for what will surely be a contentious meeting with our closest allies. there is someone else he wishes is going to be there. >> we have a world to run. and in the g-7, which used to be the g-8, they threw russia out, they should let russia come back in. because we should have russia at the negotiating table. >> i want to bring in cnn's boris sanchez, live in quebec city. boris, russia was kicked out of the once g-8, now the g-7 for a reason. >> that's right. back in 2014, pamela, russia was booted from the then g-8 for their invasion and annexation of crimea. now you have president trump suggesting they should be invited back. he also said he was russia's worst nightmare, which is a bit tough to believe considering that historically this white house has, for example, lagged
when enacting sanctions against russia that were overwhelmingly passed in congress and the president has taken let's say a humble tone when it comes to confronting vladimir putin on the issue of russian election meddling. it will be interesting to see how some of the other g-7 members react to this. it has to be music to the ears of vladimir putin. not necessarily the invitation to re-create the g-8, but that additional rift between president trump and the leaders of some of the united states closest and longest standing allies, not only has the president been sparring with his ca nadian and french counterparts on the issues of trade and tariffs, the iran nuclear deal, but also the paris climate accord and now this overture to vladimir putin. we should also point out that russia since 2014 has done very little to atone for their aggressive acts around the world. notably the poisoning that chemical attack of an ex-russian spy in the uk earlier this year. so something to watch for as the
president enters these bilateral meetings with emmanuel macron and justin trudeau and when they take that traditional group photo, it will happen about 2:00 eastern time, and we will be watching the body language closely because obviously not only are there very public rifts but in private you can bet the issue of russia will come up in discussion, pamela. >> absolutely. if it doesn't happen on twitter before then. boris sanchez, thank you very much. joining me to discuss, democratic congressman denny heck, he sits on the house intel committee. congressman, thank you for coming on. first question, your reaction to what the president said about bringing russia back to the negotiating table and turning g-7 back to g-8. >> a couple of things, pam, first of which he demonstrates yet again seemingly infinite capacity to shock and amaze people. secondly, you know, if you look back over the last 18 months of his administration, the president clearly has been a whole lot tougher on our
traditional friends and allies, whether it is justin trudeau and canada or theresa may in england or angela merkel or emmanuel macron in france than he is on vladimir putin. the truth of the matter is he is systematically alienated the coalition of countries that enabled us to grow global peace and prosperity by and large over the last 70 years. the problem i have with it is what is the strategy here? it is not clear to me what he sees as the endgame here. >> do you see, though, looking at his side, what the benefit could be in having russia back in the negotiating table for what is viewed as an important summit happening right now in canada? >> well, i guess i would quote one of my favorite leaders in all of history, sir winston churchill, who said it is better to jaw jaw than to war war, so talking is better than not talking. that said, anybody who raised children, anybody who raised
children knows you don't reward bad behavior. so until and unless russia gets to the point where they're willing to cease their bad behavior, whether it is the annexation, which is frankly a clinically sterilized word, means invasion, their invasion of crimea, or their interference in western democracies, then i see no objective or constructive purpose to be served by rewarding their bad behavior. >> what do you think is the overall signal being sent here? big picture, the president has been sparring with our u.s. allies over twitter ahead of the g-7 summit. and yet at the same time, he made it very clear he's looking forward to going to singapore for the north korea summit. he'll be cutting out of the g-7 early to go to singapore and now making this overture to russia on this. what is the larger signal here, you think? >> there is no larger signal. that was my earlier point, pam, i was trying to make. there is no strategic framework here. >> but hold on, what do you
think our allies think. i'm not talking about strategy, i'm talking about the signal to our allies. what do you think they think? >> our allies made pretty clear what they think. whether it is prime minister abe in japan who signaled his concerns about the impending summit in singapore, or the other g-7 nations, they made it pretty clear what they think of this. and it is not much, by the way. >> all right, let me just ask you this, because there has been this twitter back and forth between the president and macron and trudeau after the u.s. imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum. what do you think of this strategy that the president is employing here? he says he's employing, to level the playing field when it comes to trade? >> so you can't conduct diplomacy by tweet feed and you can't conduct trade policy by tweet feed. i don't believe the president really does have a strategy other than what is it i can do to dominate the news cycle for the next 24 hours. what is the most outrageous thing i can say.
and, of course, he's gone to incredible lengths here including this suggestion this morning that we ought to readmit russia into the g-8, notwithstanding russia's continuing extremely bad behavior. so i don't believe there is a strategy other than how do i keep myself at the top of the news cycle hour in and hour out. >> anything else you want to add democratic congressman denny heck on what we heard from the president this morning ahead of the g-7? >> no, i think that if the president were to pick up the phone and call me, however, pam, what i would say to him is that throughout the nearly 250 years of american history, we have been allowed to grow and to prosper and to create the american dream for a lot of reasons, including the fact that both our northern and southern border were occupied by countries that we considered not just allies, but friends who largely shared the same values and to alienate those countries is to do so at america's peril. i hope it will reflect upon that and change its course of action.
i was very surprised at the size of this crowd. woman: my question is, why hasn't congress started impeachment proceedings given what we know, and they probably know much more. i think that if you speak to congress-people privately, democrats and republicans acknowledge that this is a reckless, dangerous, and lawless president. for them, political safety is what is driving them to sweep it under the rug. if we don't stand up for the basic values of america, if we normalize this behavior, he will continue, and he will push it every single time he gets away with it. i mean, that's sort of the reaction to any bully. it tends to isolate you, and when you meet with other people and listen, you get that sense that you're not the only one who feels that way. well, i'm just grateful that everybody... that i'm not the only one that feels that trump needs to be impeached.
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>> i believe strongly in freedom of the press. i'm a big, big believer in freedom of the press. but i'm also a believer in classified information. has to remain classified. and that includes comey and his band of thieves who leaked classified information all over the place. so i'm a very big believer in freedom of the press, but i'm also a believer that you cannot leak classified information. >> i want to bring in cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider live for us in baltimore. so tell us about this case, jessica, how did wolf pop up on the fbi's radar? >> well, we know that fbi agents, they first contacted james wolf in october 2017 and they said to him they were investigating the leak of classified information. we know that this has been a top priority for the justice department, you heard the president talk about it there, attorney general jeff sessions has repeatedly said that they will get tough on leakers, so
this is how this investigation began. james wolf was the director of security for the senate intelligence committee, meaning he maintained and safeguarded nonpublic classified sensitive information for the committee and for lawmakers. so the fbi agents first approached him in october, and then it was in december when james wolf sat down for a voluntary interview with the fbi, presented with a questionnaire and asked interview questions and at that time, fbi agents asked james wolf did you have contact with a number of reporters, and did you disseminate any classified or sensitive information? james wolf filled out the questionnaire saying he hadn't had any communication with these reporters, saying he hadn't disseminated this classified information, well, of course, we know that last night james wolfe was arrested here in maryland and he was charged with lying to the fbi about his contacts with reporters, and charged with lying about disseminating that nonpublic sensitive information.
so right now we're at federal court, in baltimore, where we expect james wolfe will appear for his initial appearance at 2:00 p.m. today to face up to those charges. but really, pamela, this is very significant because this shows that the administration, they will in fact prosecute people associated with leaks. in this case, james wolfe charged with lying to federal investigators. and what is also of note here is that part of this investigation, the fbi actually seized some of the records from the communications from phone and e-mail of a new york times reporter who had been in communication with james wolfe, so a very significant prosecution here and really we're seeing some of this become public for the first time in the trump administration. pamela? >> certainly is significant, jessica schneider, thank you so much. president trump says muhammad ali may be next to pardon. but here is a problem. muhammad ali doesn't need a pardon. we'll be back.
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well, president trump is soon to land in quebec for what for him will be an abbreviated g-7 summit. on his way out of washington this morning he also talked about pardons and firings and the nfl. i'm joined by cnn political director david chalian and cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. it was clear the president wanted to get a lot off of his chest this morning, gentlemen. he really talked about an array of topics. particularly when it comes to pardons, david chalian. he made some news when he said he was thinking about pardoning muhammad ali. let's listen to what he said. >> he was not very popular then. he certainly -- his memory is very popular now. i'm thinking about muhammad ali. i'm thinking about that very seriously. and some others. and some folks that have sentences that aren't there, but i am thinking about muhammad ali. >> so shortly after he made that comment, muhammad ali's attorney released a statement saying we
appreciate president trump's sentiment, but a pardon is unnecessary, the u.s. supreme court overturned the conviction of muhammad ali and a unanimous decision in 1971. there is no conviction from which a pardon is needed. sort of like thanks but no thanks. >> i think it is safe to say this didn't -- this thinking of muhammad ali probably didn't go through a process at all because the president would have learned that in advance and probably been aware that a pardon may not be necessary here. but this is clear, he is enjoying the feedback he's getting from his pardons this week, alice johnson pardon, kim kardashian went in to his -- the oval office and made the case and he's enjoying the feedback he's getting on that. he thinks this is an issue that is working for him. he's been able to cross party lines on some of this stuff, with van jones and what have you. he's in a moment he wants to repeat and he likes to attach himself to celebrity. there is nobody more popular than muhammad ali.
he's a beloved global figure and donald trump wants to, you know, in a proverbial sense, have his arm wrapped around him. >> he enjoys it. it is clear he enjoys pardoning people, particularly celebrities. i want to bring you in, jeffrey toobin, something else was brought up whether he would consider pardoning michael cohen his personal attorney or paul manafort. here is what he had to say about that. >> i haven't even thought about it. i haven't even thought -- i haven't thought about any of it. it certainly is far too early to be thinking about that. they haven't been convicted of anything. there is nothing to pardon. it is far too early to be -- it is far too early to be thinking about it. >> it is true they have not been convicted. i find it hard to believe he hasn't thought about it at all. it was clear, though, that he didn't rule it out there. >> yes, and you don't need to be convicted to have a -- to receive a pardon. gerald ford pardoned richard nixon who hadn't been charged
yet. this is an area that has a great practical significance to the mueller investigation because if the subjects and targets of the mueller investigation believe that pardons are a possibility, they're not going to plead guilty or they're not going to cooperate. a very interesting question, which wasn't asked, is what about michael flynn? he has pleaded guilty. he is awaiting sentencing. he is supposedly cooperating. if he knew that a pardon was a possibility, that could dial back his possible cooperation. this is why pardons can be so intrusive in an ongoing investigation, and the fact that the president hasn't ruled it out certainly complicates mueller's task in pursuing these cases. >> you're right. michael flynn would have been potentially even more interesting one because he has pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi and the president seemed
more sympathetic to him outwardly, he allegedly asked james comey to drop the investigation into him. he talked about pardons. he talked about this controversy as you know david chalian about the philadelphia eagles being disinvited and tieing that in with the national anthem and protesters. here is what he had to say about that. >> we have a great country, you should stand for our national anthem. you shouldn't go in a locker room when our national anthem is played. i am going to ask all of those people to recommend to me because that's what they're protesting, people that they think were unfairly treated by the justice system and i understand that. and i'm going to ask them to recommend to me people that were unfairly treated, friends of theirs, people that they know about, and i'm going to take a look at those applications and if i find, and my committee, finds that they're unfairly treated, we will pardon them or at least let them out.
>> pardon. go ahead. >> pretty clever strategy here on the part of the president. he gets to make the pitch that he's been making about the flag, and patriotism, but this time, giving some credence to the underlying protest, not necessarily of police shootings, but of racial injustice in this country and he is presenting himself as open to trying to rectify some of those injustices in this case if indeed there was unfair treatment in the judicial system. it is sort of an olive branch where he gets to both still hit the patriotism note but not look completely unwilling to hear out some of their concerns. >> let's also remember, let's also remember that, you know, president obama, remember him, he was the one before trump, he had a process, he had a process for nonviolent drug offenders to submit applications for commutations and pardons and he granted more than a thousand commutations and pardons.
there wasn't this great theater, there weren't a lot of celebrities involved, there were no celebrities, but that is how you impact a lot of lives. you know, this is yet another example by fighting with the nfl players, by fighting with the ucla basketball players, by his comments in charlottesville, president trump gets to fight with black people, which he thinks is a great advantage politically. and, you know, this is not an olive branch. this is a more opportunity to define himself. >> you don't think he's employing a political strategy to try to portray himself as being open to their concerns? i think that's clearly what he was doing on the south lawn, whether or not it is genuine or not, can call that out, but that's clearly the political strategy by what he said. >> well, yeah, i mean, there is pretend political strategy and there is actually what is going on in the real world and i think in the real world whether it is -- in terms of voting rights
in the justice department, this is a president who has used fighting with black people as an opportunity for political advancement. let's never forget that this is an individual who made his political career by lying about the birth place of the first african-american president. so, you know, yes, it is true, i think his -- whatever that was, you know, write me a letter about people you think are injustly course rated is an olive branch of sorts, but i don't think that should be a distraction about one of the defining aspects of president trump's presidency. >> we have to leave it there, gentlemen. that took a turn to become a very interesting discussion there. jeffrey toobin, david chalian, do appreciate it. no new deal, no nafta, president trump's new warning to allies up next. do not mistake serenity for weakness. do not misjudge quiet tranquility for the power of 335 turbo-charged horses.
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and let's go live to canada. that's where the president's plane has just landed for the g-7 summit. it should be an interesting day or two there with the president meeting with world leaders. he's been sparring with over twitter. he's going to be cutting out of there early to head to singapore, cutting out tomorrow on saturday to head there to meet with kim jong-un at -- for the north korean summit. i want to bring in global affairs analyst kimberly dozier and david rhode to discuss, so much going on. the president's first meeting bilateral meeting with french president macron, kimberly, who he's been in a twitter spat with ahead of this and then macron said on twitter that other world leaders could possibly sign a
deal without the u.s. signing on. would you love to be a fly on the wall during that meeting? >> this is -- forget the pomp and circumstance of the parade that they had when donald trump visited in paris, what you have now is an all-out rhetorical trade war. what you have are the european leaders reacting to what they consider provocation by this white house, but some european officials that i've spoken to have said, look, this situation has been sort of static for a long period of time. on the positive side for the u.s., they're forcing us to relook at this issue. on the negative side, they're forcing the eu countries to work together again in a way that they haven't for a while, and that's going to be hard long-term for the united states. especially when the u.s. asks for something difficult like extra troops for a future
mission in afghanistan, for instance. >> he's going into this, david, where tensions are clearly very high, of course in the wake of the tariffs on steel and aluminum. you have the tweets, the back and forth tweets with macron and then you have him saying this morning that he may want to pull out of nafta. here is what he said about that. >> if we're unable to make a deal, we'll terminate nafta. we'll have a better deal. if we are unable to make a deal, we will be better off. right now, we are not going to live with the deals the way they are. european union treats us very unfairly. canada, very unfairly. mexico, very unfairly. with that being said, i think we'll probably very easily make a deal. >> your reaction, david? >> this sort of bluster, this is not working. mexico has put a tariff on pork imports for the united states, pork farmers are saying this is going to hurt their business. canada has prepared billions of
dollars in new tariffs that, again, will hurt average americans. the europeans, same thing. they're not going to blink. they can't blink. all politics is local. so trump needs to sort of look tough for american voters, you know, prime minister trudeau and canada has to look tough as well. he cannot back down to president trump. so this rhetoric just, you know, backs everyone into a corner. >> all right. let's talk about another headline the president made, speaking to reporters, he said that he would like to bring russia back to the negotiating table to turn it back into g-8 from the g-7 as we know. russia was kicked out several years ago for the annexation of crimea. kimberly, that's no small thing. what is your reaction to the president saying, hey, let's bring them back, what do you think our allies think about that? >> the allies already think that -- the diplomats i've spoken to the president doesn't pay enough attention to details large and small. and this is just going to be more proof for them that he
seems to have been so convinced by his -- what some have called almost bromance with vladimir putin that he's overlooking major issues with russia. when they talk to u.s. security officials, u.s. diplomats, they say or hear the right thing, but something like this comes out of the mouth of donald trump and it makes them all doubt his understanding of what is happening on the world stage. >> let's look at big picture here, david, because you have the president who doesn't really want to be there in the first place, our reporting indicates that as of last night, he was complaining to aides why do i have to go, is anything going to come out of this, he's cutting out early to go to singapore to meet with rogue dictator kim jong-un and then he's sending an overture to vladimir putin saying russia should be brought back to the table. big picture, what is sort of the bigger signal to you, what does this say to you? >> it is, you know, 50 years of
american diplomacy sort of turned on its head, you know. we fought shoulder to shoulder in two world wars with ally and the g-7. in terms of europe and canada, it has been an incredibly successful alliance, and, you know, president trump is being friendlier to authoritarian leaders as you mentioned kim jong-un and now towards putin than he is to our long time allies. he declared them as part of the tariff on aluminum and other metals, he declared our european allies and canada national security threats to the united states, but he's, you know, welcoming vladimir putin back to this meeting after russia was expelled for seizing ukraine's territory, for innovating another country. so this is extraordinary. nothing like this has happened in decades. >> that's important perspective. we're waiting for the president to go off air force one. my producer is speaking to me. we'll take a quick break. stick around, kimberly dozier, david rhode, a lot more to
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♪ let's fly, let's fly away ♪ welcome back. we await president trump to disembark there from air force one. he'll be meeting with president macron of france on the heels of the twitter spat between the two over trade, tariffs, president macron saying that he's willing to reach a deal with the six leaders and let president trump be an isolationist. david rhode, what do you expect to come out of this meeting with president macron? >> you don't know. there was a chemistry it seemed between president macron and president trump that developed. but macron came to washington, he spent a great deal of time trying to talk president trump into trying to renegotiate the iran nuclear deal and it didn't work. it was a failure, so-called bromance between the two leaders didn't exist. and, again, macron has to think
of voters in france, that was a humiliating experience for him. so macron can't constantly beg donald trump to forgive him, macron needs to produce results for his own political survival. so, you know, maybe something comes out of this meeting, but there is a higher chance of macron standing up and pushing back against trump, that makes him look strong to french voters. >> it does come down to politics at the end of the day. and kimberly, you expect there to be differences among allies, even though they are allies, of course, they have varying views, to see the differences spill out into public view on twitter before the g-7 summit, it is pretty extraordinary. >> it is like being caught in a big business negotiation, isn't it? interesting pattern that the president is developing that he reserves his harshest words for his friends, and his more obsequious tone for dictators overseas. what you might be seeing is this is arguing among brothers, we
heard about very combative sort of tone during his campaign. so we hear about combative meetings behind the scenes, so perhaps this is macron and others going, okay, we understand, you only respect harsh rhetorical blow for blow, so we're going to meet you in that space and see if we can get somewhere with this. also, think, macron and the other european leaders, they thought they were close to a deal on iran and that fell through at the last moment, so they're a little disenchanted now and getting annoyed with him and showing it. >> it seems the president probably knew what he was walking into, our reporting indicates that he really didn't want to go, he was asking his aides why is it important for me to go. they warned him in return, you should go. this is important. he's now left air force one. going to be heading to his first meeting with president macron.
why is it important, david rhode, for him to be in attendance there at the g-7 summit and also what is the significance of him cutting out early? >> this is incredibly important because this is about the american economy. he is, you know in the very early stages of a possible trade war with many of the countries that will be at the g-7. he is, you know, some say he inherited the economy, some, you know, supporters say his tax cut, the economy is growing right now. and american politics as bill clinton said, it is the economy, stupid. if he starts a trade war, and that causes a drop in the markets and drop in economic growth, that could be politically nearly fatal for this president. so this is an incredibly important meeting and how he treats our biggest trading partners canada is our biggest trading partner, then mexico number two and europe, russia is obscure and meaningless to the american economy. this is, again, a very important meeting economically and politically for the american people. >> and, of course, he's coming
there as he made the headline, kimberly dozier, that he wants to bring russia back to the negotiating table. i imagine some of the world leaders there, the g-7, were taken aback by that notion because russia was kicked out of the g-8 by the annexation of crimea. >> you can imagine that's one of the first things that they're going to be explaining to donald trump, look, there is a reason moscow isn't here. and if you offer them a way back in, without having them learn lessons and at least stop supporting the separatists in ukraine, then you resolve nothing. >> what do you think, david rhode, is the most important meeting that the president will be a part of during the g-7? >> i think the group meeting because, again, i think, you know, the tariffs are very small at this point. this is the biggest trade war
and economic drop in the united states is the biggest threat to donald trump politically. it is not the trump/russia investigation. i think it is this economy slowing down. this is a very serious thing. again, this tone, this bullying, backing people into corners, the u.s. first imposing sanctions, sorry, tariffs on these other countries, it is very dangerous. it is making these leaders angry and, again, it backs them into a corner. they are not going to back down. as a retaliatory sanctions in the works, for now they're quite small on both sides, but the market s could react to this. many viewers, it is obscure diplomatic protocol, this is about the economy, this is about a trade war, this is about losing jobs to the united states. >> the mistakes are no doubt very high, kimberly dozier, as you pointed out. there could be a trade war. this is an opportunity for the president to go there, flex some diplomatic muscle. and prevent such a thing from happening, what do you make of the strategy