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we learn today we lost a friend and colleague anthony bourdain, many of you who watched him feel you too lost a friend, a travel campaign. he died by suicide in northeast france, 61-years old with a young daughter. an i credible career, a successful show on this network. he loved and was loved in return. many of you like many of us, are feeling a range of emotions. shock, sadness and confusion of a man who seemed like he was having the ride of his life. in the middle of his life has
now suddenly reached the end of his life. anthony is the second public figure to die this week this way. kate spade was the first. as we remember anthony bourdain, and his extraordinary life, we will be talking about steps to take that could save someone else's life. we will be showing the number at the bottom right of your screen. 1-800-273-8255. it is the national suicide prevention life line. people are there 24 hours a day seven days a week. we want to remember our friend and our colleague, one of this country's greatest story tellers, anthony bourdain. >> we ask simple questions. what makes you happy. what do you like to cook and everywhere in the world we go and ask these simple questions, we tend to get some really
astonishing answers. >> more importantly even -- >> it is hard to imagine he is gone. hard to imagine he is not just off on some far away journey. hard to imagine that he will not soon return with new stories to tell, and food to share. >> food is an entryway. i have spent 30 years cooking food professionally. that is how i am going to look at the world. but food isn't everything. and something comes up, i am happy to get up from the meal and wander elsewhere. >> experiencing life in a way most people never will. in places near and far, he talked and tasted with open mouth and eyes and open heart and mind. over the years when anthony returned, we would meet up and discuss the places he had just been. usually in a restaurant table or kitchen where he would expand my
food curiosity. >> word on the street is you hate food. >> i am not a foodie. >> what is going freak out anderson cooper and offend him. >> that was thymus gland. >> where would that be? >> somewhere around your neck. >> glad i didn't know that. what was that? >> aorta. >> from the heart. >> a valve. >> i didn't know it was edible. >> you can eat anything. >> why is it called blood sausage? >> it is made from blood. if it is really good, it is kind of squirty. >> anthony loved eating, drinking, and immersing himself in other parts of the world.
bringing the rest of us along on his journey. his shows were full of references to music he loved, music he worshipped and books he read and re-read. >> an important factor of the heart of darkness. a book that i am obsessed with. only exceeded by my obsession with "apocalypse now." >> my favorite movie. as a kid i wanted to be colonel curts in the movie. a mountain yard army. >> i am with you on the mountain yard army. that sounded cool. finally, trying to get in this country five years now. >> by the time of his death, anthony had visited more than 80 countries and many of them multiple times. even if food was not your passion, anthony could enthrall you with what he learned in the places he went.
>> i realize i am missing out on an entire side of the places i am visiting because i am not experimenting with the food. >> people are telling you a story when they give you food. if you don't accept the food, you are in many cultures whether rural arkansas or vietnam, you are rejecting the people and they, i mean we see it many, many times. because i am accepting the food, if it is either out of my comfort zone or appalling, because i am nodding saying yes, i am try it, thank you, people open up and the relationship proceeds from that point. and becomes something very, very different. people are surprised to see americans, you know, eat their food. pleasantly surprised.
they are telling you something about themselves. chances are they are proud of their food traditions. >> have there been times when you said absolutely, i can't eat. that i know it is going to make me sick. >> no, mission one on the show is if you have to take one for the team, you take one for the team. i try to be a good guest. there have been times where freshness is clearly an issue, and i know i am likely going to pay a price. but in almost every case, a magic moments is happening. and i am going to see a lot more if i suck it up and eat the nasty bit. the vast majority of those experiences are pleasurable journeys of discoveries. every once in a while it is unpleasant. what is the worst thing going to happen? a course of antibiotics. >> born anthony michael bourdain in 1956. born in new jersey. spent time with relatives in
france for the summer. that's where he developed his appreciation of fine foods. he started working in kitchens at a young age. first washing dishes, then becoming a line cook. he became addicted to heroin and cocaine and beat the habit. he took me there in 2015 to cook a traditional french dish. >> this is tripe. >> what is tripe? i know it means something else that i don't want to eat. >> it means good. >> why do you need to eat the stomach lining. >> you have to work hard. >> in 1949, he sent a humorous but shocking realities to "the new york times". soon after that, he landed his first tv show a cook's show
which aired on the food network. the beginning of his rise to fame. >> as a cook, tastes and smells are my memories. so i am leaving new york city and hope to have a few epiphanies around the world. and i hope to go to lengths to do that. i will try everything, i risk everything, i have nothing to lose. >> went on to host "no reservations." on the travel channel and then joined cnn. "parts unknown." it has won plenty of awards over the years. it is far more than a show about cooking and eating. anthony was a great story teller. his voice was unique and fearless. he was as interested in politics and music and culture as what was cooking on the stove. >> that was the beginning of our erosion of our society as we know it. >> i make lots and lots of money and that money will somehow trickle down. >> i share my toilet with no
man. move it along. >> i am a man of simple needs. >> the ideas of riding up the steps and disemboweling royals, i can easily imagine that. it would not take much convincing. >> i describe "parts unknown," as essays. stand alone esays that generally try to folks on the sub of food and where it comes from but not always. >> the show was so popular, even president obama wanted in on it. he sat down with anthony in hanoi, vietnam in 2016. >> slurping is acceptable. it takes skills to handle sticky cold noodles. whatever your opinion of the man, the president has those skills.
>> i gotta say, this is killer. i'm glad i can help. >> anthony was always himself on camera and honest about what he saw and what he felt. in one episode about the opioid crisis he talked about his struggle with addiction in the past. >> something was missing in me. whether it was a character flaw, some dark genie inside me. i very much hesitate to call it a disease, that led me to dope. >> he was married twice. and in 2007 welcomed a daughter. after she was born he told "people" magazine that she gave him a reason to live. this is her voice in a special episode. >> two years on the road with "parts unknown," how do you feel about the show? has the experience changed? is it still fun? >> that's a hard question. you know, one of the great
things about travel is just when you think i have had enough of this, something really interesting happens. and interesting things happen to me all the time. all the time. i feel i have the best job in the world and it is still fun. more importantly even i think, it is still interesting. and it is still challenging in a good way. who wouldn't do this if they could? >> it is impossible from the outside to ever fully know what goes on in someone else's heart or in their head. impossible to fathom how quickly one's life can change. he once wrote as you move through this life and this world you change things slightly. you leave marks behind however small. and in return, life leaves marks on you. most of the time the marks on your body and heart are beautiful. often though, they hurt.
the hurt for all of us who knew anthony, and all of us who came to know him through his travels, that hurt is strong, and the shock is real, and the sadness is just beginning to sink in. anthony bourdain was 61-years old. when we come back, his long time friend and on screen collaborator joins us. as we go to break, here's a moment i shared with anthony in my kitchen as he was telling me about his trip to south korea. >> do you go to south korea and to celebrate, that you are going to cook south korean dish? >> yes. this is, you know, you talk about something called dorm food or bro food or the sort of thing, like and i am not saying you ever would be, but if you were sort of not at your best at 2:00 in the morning.
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>> then don't use the showers. >> i feel guilty about not feeling guilty. >> that is more to the point. now you are starting to be honest with yourself. >> that is anthony bourdain and michael ruhlman. in an episode in las vegas. every bandit needs a snowman and the question is which one is which. michael ruhlman joins us now. thanks for being with us. you guys were friends for a long time. just talk a little bit about anthony. >> everybody would ask me, what's he really like. and the fact is, he was exactly what you saw on tv and that is what people loved about him. he was as straightforward, a straight shooter and he called things the way he saw it.
and i can't believe he is not here anymore. we need people like him. he was so beloved. he was much more sensitive than people realize because of his bravado, the way he ate, his foul language, artfully used. he was an enormously sensitive person. he was so helpful. and that combined with extraordinary intelligence. that bravado and sensitivity made him a great story teller of our time. >> he was on the road, and i asked him how many days he was on the road and it was something like 200 something. did he still love it? i used to travel not that much, and it takes a toll. it is hard. it's lonely.
>> it is hard, its lonely. they travel lean and mean for that show. and yeah, he was always tired. but i think he loved it. he loved people and he loved culture and loved food and loved what he was doing. here is a guy that was a drug addict and a line cook for half his life and transformed himself into an award winning journalist, a best selling author, and an extraordinary tv personality. he did so much. and he never forgot how lucky he was to be where he was. he was always humble. >> i am going to ask a question, i am sure it is going to be a question that you are going to get as a friend of his, a lot. do you understand what happened or why? >> i do not. the last i knew, he was in love. he was happy.
he said love abounds. that was the last words he said to me. that was a while ago. when i saw him, he looked tired. i have no idea. but i think his best friend was with him and found him. eric would be the only person that would know and i don't know if he knows. i don't know. >> my brother died by suicide 30 years ago, and i still ask that question. you traveled to cleveland, hudson valley, and i want to play a clip from your las vegas episode with him that aired in 2005. >> tell me about the fry, be honest. >> one fry and it was over. >> that really sucks. this does taste like my childhood. >> my worst nightmare. petty, unloving feelings. jealousy, rage.
i'm in a lonely, angry, bitter place. god helped me, i just lost it. >> oh my god, he gets so pissed at the fries. look what you did, ruhlman, you savage beast. >> i love that he would get pissed at the fries. >> i remember that meal well in las vegas. >> he wanted to hate it and he didn't. he would call bullshit when he saw it. and he would praise something when he saw it. he didn't let anybody tell him what to think. he was funny. he was so funny all the time. i was always laughing. >> i get the sense that he had somewhere more interesting to go than being with me. always coming from getting beat up in jujitsu. or heading to jiu jitsu. i turned 51 recently. i was climbed of sad about it. and last week i was thinking, look at anthony bourdain.
he is 61 and he's like the coolest guy on planet. if i can be like that at 61, i will be so lucky. >> yeah. yeah. the coolest guy on the planet. so many people wanted to be him. and i don't know, it's devastating. he was a hero, a giant. and beloved by so many people. so many people don't even know him are devastated. it is hard to understand this loss and especially in these uncertain times when everything seems on the verge of falling apart, we needed a voice like his and that is why this loss is especially devastating. >> is there a moment that you shared with him that you would want to share with us? >> tony was savvy. we were at the culinary institute of america where he had graduated from doing an event and this was early in his career. he was still smoking and he gave that up. he said, you know
what this is about, ruhlman, fame
maintenance. he was a savvy entertainer. he knew he needed ratings. he had this remarkable balance of savvy, sensitivity, extraordinary intelligence, lightning fast wit and humor. it's a combination that is so unusual. >> for someone who was such a global celebrity, he made fun of himself and took piss out of himself as much as anybody else which is a rare quality. michael, i appreciate you being with us. i know it's, difficult is a small word. >> it is a hard day. it's a hard day. >> i appreciate you sharing memories with us. thank you. >> thanks for having us on. >> it is easy to ask a question why, there isn't a clear answer. there is hope if you or someone
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you see a landscape absolutely untouched by time. if you were hypothetically speaking put glacier ice in your scotch, it is bright blue. and the person putting it in your drink might tell you, and this ice is tens of thousands of years older than even the concept of scotch. >> talking about antarctica. tonight we remember our friend anthony bourdain. a friend of the program and part of the cnn family. he died by suicide this week. so did kate spade. suicide is on the rise according to a new cdc report increasing 25% from 1999 to 2016. in 2016, 44,000 lives have been lost.
more than half those people had not been diagnosed with a mental health condition. joining me now is chief medical officer of american foundation for suicide prevention. tony's mom told "the new york times" he is the last person in the world i would dream he would doing something like this. i can't tell you how many times we hear that in the wake of someone dying by suicide. his friend who had been with him that tony had been in a dark mood the last few days. for people out there who are suffering or know people who are suffering, what are signs and what can they do? >> there are so much we can do if we understand that mental health is real and dynamic and just as much a part of our life as our physical life is. if you are noticing changes are going on in your sleep, mood, and your outlook and realizing
the people around you are living in a culture where we have not become very mental health literate in terms of knowing how to express the things going on. fortunately we have a younger generation that is about authenticity. so you to have understand that they may give more subtle indications of changes like feeling hopeless, like they may be a burden to others and those changes can brew for a long period of time. and come and go or come on more precipitously. so we have to know how to act when we notice those things. >> if you have loved ones who seem to be exhibiting those signs, do you talk to them? it's a conversation a lot of people are scared to bring up that word. scared they're going to trigger something. but silence is not the answer either. >> silence perpetuates that it is shameful.
as it turns out, people are talking about their mental health and what's going on on the inside. it is a freeing place to be when you can have genuine deeper conversations with the people you care about. whether it is you are the one suffering or you're worried about somebody else. it deepens the relationship. >> not just a one-time conversation. so it destigmatizes the conversation. >> that's the ideal. you don't even have to wait until a crisis is right in front of you. but rather you are having these deeper check in type of conversations on some regular basis day-to-day. and if you sense that they are becoming hopeless or in terrible anguish, trapped, then ask them if they are having thoughts of suicide is a good thing. it will not put people at risk. if you say i am not judging you, i will not judge you no matter what. that opens up that incredible space where they can reveal what's going on in that moment which could be life saving if they go on to get help.
>> we have the number on the screen, what is the recommendation for you? >> absolutely, you can call the national suicide prevention lifeline, text the crisis text line. talk to your primary care doctor, your pastor. the key thing is to talk about it and ideally with people who are trust worthy and won't judge, and won't come up with quick fixes but will listen. many people in the population are having suicidal thoughts right now. we live with that reality as part of the human condition and there is no shame in that. it is what happens next, what we do to get through it. we are very resilient at the core. sometimes -- >> i've read studies, if somebody makes an attempt or is about that, if you can avert it in that moment, very well may not try it again. >> that's right. in fact, people who survive a serious suicide attempt, more
than 90% of them go on to live out their natural lives. certainly if they're having suicidal thoughts but the lethal means are not available to them. there is a high likelihood that they won't go on to find another method and they will get through that moment and tap back into their usual resilience and usual ways of coping. >> i appreciate your time. thank you very much. again, if you or anyone you know needs help, please call the number that you see on the screen. the national suicide prevention life line. 1-800-273-8255. still to come, anthony bourdain, the author, the editor of his books comes and joins us. also the widow of lincoln park. coppertone sport.
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armenian military helicopter into this ethnic enclave to visit the majority armenian population. i found myself png'd. >> he had that in common with christian amanpour. just before air, i talked with christian. >> your path and tony's were different. but in a way you ended up doing different things which is shedding light on places that we think we know. >> you are right. i thought about that and i talked about it a lot with tony. i knew him even before he came to cnn. and we met through fell low foodie here in england, we talked about his route and my route and he never called
himself a journalist, proudly didn't call himself a journalist. but he was a correspondent. and he went to all the places that i did, whether it is iran, vietnam, wherever any of us went as a foreign correspondent. but he told the flip side of the story, through food, through pop culture, and the history and the geography of the place. through his own unbelievable breadth of knowledge with his writing, he was able to tell us the ordinary side of the places and bring these breaking news stories, as he told me once, if you have seen parts unknown, you will know about the people there, the culture there. the way he could conjure up literally emotion, color, and even using profanity which no one else on cnn would be allowed to do. but used in a way, that somehow it was okay because it was tony
bourdain, and he was being normal. >> thank you very much, i appreciate it. >> deeply sorely missed and irreplaceable. >> a long time friend joins me now, the publisher of his best selling books including "kitchen confidential." you first got the paper back rights to paper confidential. i didn't care anything about food, but this was a fascinating read. that he was bringing you inside the hidden realm of the kitchen. >> it is that distinctive voice that he had and it was his voice that you got on air, and off air. >> the same on air that he was off air. >> he was the same on tv as he was across the table. >> i want to read a passage from
kitchen confidential. he wrote, do we really want to travel through hermetically sealed pope mobiles, in france, mexico, the far east, eating only in hard rock cafes or mcdonald's, the humble tackryia, i want it all. i want to try everything once. such a distinctive voice. >> once you hear it, you can't get it out of your head. but if you read a sentence of tony's out of context, you know it is tony's voice. certain writers, and certain poets that have that. he had it in spades. it was his speaking voice. >> he had a soul of a poet at times. >> he was always worried about my connection to poetry, but he was a poet in so many ways. he was a poet in the way he perceived the world he inherited. >> you knew him for 20 years as
a friend. what was he like? >> he was like what he was when you watched him on television. he was very thoughtful, moral, always. very shy. to me, he was a very shy man. not that he couldn't stand if front of 5,000 people and blow them away. but basically, he was not the guy talking at the table. >> he always had this energy about him. i mean, i would have a meal with him and he would do this thing with his hand and fingers touch each other. he was always coming from jujitsu. he had this fascinating life. like he was coming from somewhere interesting, going to somewhere interesting. >> he did that jiu jitsu every day.
people said he was so thin. was there a problem? >> he was always thin, but it was rock hard muscle. he was slammed to the ground by black belts everyday. >> he loved it. >> he loved it. he didn't really care who he was sitting next to. he genuinely was interested in other peoples' stories. >> that is the amazing thing. one of the e-mails today was from a woman who sat next to him at a dinner party and she had watched him during the evening. and it didn't matter who he was talking to. he approached you, the same way he approached obama. you were the person in front of him. he gave everything he had to that conversation. >> i don't use the term cool very often. but one of the coolest guys i have ever met. >> definitely one of the coolest and one of the shyest. >> thank you, very much. more on anthony bourdain in just a minute. including a reaction from his girlfriend.
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before you do any project big or small, pg&e will come out and mark your gas and electric lines so you don't hit them when you dig. call 811 before you dig, and make sure that you and your neighbors are safe. incredibly successful musician. the front man for lincoln park, died by suicide in july. like tony bourdain, he seem to have everything to live for. how difficult depression to detect, how difficult to deal with the sudden death of a loved one. this is his widow. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. the stigma that surrounds suicide is something that is harmful to people that are suffering from any kind of mental health issue. how do you fight against it.
>> looking at the way we use verbiage around it is a starting point. >> one thing i was guilty a long time ago, and people use the term people committed suicide. for survivors, that's not really a term that's appropriate. it is almost a judgmental term that they did something. that it is really death by suicide. >> i am of the belief that using the commit is something you intend to carry out. and somebody who is mentally unstable has the ability to commit to anything much less taking their own life. >> after somebody dies by suicide, the question is always asked why. i asked that after my brother's suicide 30 years ago. and i am not sure i have the answer.
i am not sure you can get into the head of somebody in the final minutes or days of their life. what do you want people to know about signs to look for or how to help somebody in your life. >> suicide ideation is the forerunner to actual suicidal tendencies and thoughts. >> you mean thinking about it and possibly planning it. >> yes. and i believe if we can open a lid on that and talk about that, that is one of the first steppingstones to changing the culture about how we speak about mental health. you know, it is like bricks, you know, you are building a wall and if it gets to that point on the wall that is tall, your next step is to do self harm. i have not spoken it a single suicide survivor that says they wish they would have succeeded and that sticks with me. as far as signs for knowing change, i have partnered with an
existing organization, change direction.org. i've cofounded 320 changes direction, 320 after my husband. that was his birthday. and we -- we believe there are five signs you can watch for. change in personality, somebody feeling hopeless, feelings of agitation. you can find these signs at change direction.org. >> are those things that in retrospect you saw in your husband? because until one has gone through this often -- one doesn't notice these sorts of signs. >> oh, yeah, i mean i definitely saw them throughout our marriage. at different parts they would come and go. i just wish i had these -- i had these tools. i wish the conversation was created in hopes more regularly before my husband took his life,
have created some sort of awareness to know that we're not alone in what we're going through. me as a wife and experiencing from the sidelines what he was going through, and he himself. i know for a fact he hated to have any label placed upon him of being depressed or an addict, whatever it was. he hated that. >> yeah. >> it's a hard conversation, though for people who are having suicidal ideation or their loved ones to have or to raise. because people don't want to bring it up. but at the same time not talking about it, that's not helpful either. >> right. well, we're only as sick as our secrets. if we can open the door, you know, where our secrets are kept and find somebody or find a group, some sort of support to talk about that with, you know, for me personally right after my husband died it was on twitter of all places. i was reaching out to people -- i should say people reaching out to me.
i was speaking back with them about what they were going through and how they were feeling. and the overwhelming response was a lot of people feel the same way. they're all going through this and everybody feels alone. and it's unbelievable. i think our society is ready. we're ready for change. and you know, i'm sick of -- i'm sick of it being something embarrassing. it's something people don't want to talk about. >> well, talinda i appreciate you speaking out and being with us ton. thank you very much. >> thank you. and i'm sorry about the loss of your brother. i just found out about that. >> well, thank you very much. it never goes in which. but it's -- i appreciate talking about it. thank you. >> thank you. >> time to check in with chris cuomo to see what he and his team are working on with cuomo primetime starts in a few minutes. >> all right, anderson we all appreciate you and others putting out their pain right now so everybody else can learn about what is happening with so
many in this country right now. we're going to talk of course about tony bourdain, what took his life. we're talking to one of his friends he worked with at the food network and maintain add friendship right up until his way-too-early demise. and then we're taking a turn in the show and take on and test what the real reason is for the president of the united states to want to add russia back to the g 7. why would he do that? so we'll take on bourdain. and also the news of the day here on friday night. anderson. >> chris, thanks very much. we showed you president obama and his reaction to news of anthony. his reaction when we come back. but as it grew bigger and bigger, it took a whole lot more. that's why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. everything. and that 2% cash back adds up to thousands of dollars each year...
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tweeted just saw the sad news that anthony bourdain died. i watched his show in space. it made me feel connected to the planet, people and cultures and made my time there palatable. he inspired me to see the world up close. from his friend and fellow chef who found him unresponsive in the hotel room anthony was my best friend. a exceptional human being. inspiring and generous. one of the great story tellers. i pray he is at peace from the bottom of my heart. my love and prayers are with his family, friends and loved ones. this response from a man named jeremy lincoln in erie, pennsylvania, sums a great deal. writing to cnn interactive taj. >> i get 60 minutes a night and my time begins parts unknown took me to a reality where i could travel, live unattached. i lived vicariously through his show. i he was a friend i never met. he related to me. president obama who as we showed
you earlier ate noodles and drank beer with tony. he taught us about food and more importantly about the ability to bring us together, make us less afraid of the unknown. we miss him finally his girlfriend on twitter. anthony gave all of himself and everything that he did. his brilliant fearless spirit touched and inspired so many and his generosity knew no bonds. he was my love, my rock my protector. i'm beyond devastated but my thoughts are which is family i would ask you to respect their privacy and mine. on a personal note my brother died by suicide 30 years ago. not a day goes by i do not think about him and not a day goes by i don't ask the question why. sometimes there isn't a clare answer or an answer that doesn't make sense to someone not no deep pain, pain to comprehend unless you've been there. remember there is help.