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another dent ain't going to make a whole lot of difference. at best it's a reminder that you're still alive and lucky as hell. another tattoo, another thing you did, another place you've been. a final long gaze at the river. take in probably for the last time in my life the slow rhythms of the village. ♪ one more thing to do, say good-bye to an old friend. ♪ i took a walk through this beautiful world ♪ ♪ felt the cool rain on my shoulder ♪ ♪ found something good in this beautiful world ♪ ♪ i felt the rain getting colder ♪
♪ you've been watching our special programming remembering anthony bourdain. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. thank you so much for joining us. it has been quite honestly a very, very sad day especially for the folks here at cnn who loved anthony bourdain, and for the loved ones, the ones who loved him he leaves behind, for all those knew him, worked alongside him, his fans, those who were lucky enough to become his friends, and for all of you who knew him through his show, his books and the stories he told, anthony bourdain was really the man who started out as a dishwasher became a
celebrity chef, a best selling author and a television star who took all of us on a journey right along with him. that's why this is so devastating. we all loved him. we all wanted to be like him. why wouldn't we? he was smart, funny, handsome, an amazing writer. he was totally rock and roll. >> we planned to arrive three hours along the coast to our lunch spot, and i ate salty goat innards for breakfast and i refused to wear a helmet or sun block. >> he was sitting down with the godfather of punk iggy pop or having pop or eating noodles, tony bourdain could have all the fine dining in the world, and he did, but would pass it all up for a passing food cart in some alley in some city of the world.
>> all i need for happiness, a plastic stool, check. tiny little plastic table, check. ooh, something delicious in a bowl, check. >> he was a man who lived, really lived every single moment. and that's not a platitude. real life is about the incredible beauty of the world. of family, friends, food, hot spices, new adventures. but real life also has darkness and sadness, addictions, it has losses. real life is wonderful, and real life can be terrible. and since tony was so real he was honest about all of it. >> it's an amazing somewhat if you think about it. a bunch of knuckleheads working as dish washers and waiters and pizza servers. we can live on a beach like this, you know, happier stupider times.
i can still hear the play list. the brothers johnson. if you put on marvin gaye right now i'd burst into tears. what do you do? you're young, you go on the beach, you get laid and you get high. >> so few people are that honest. and therefore it hurts all the more to lose him. and then to lose him to suicide just days after the death of kate spade. and while suicides in this country are at a 30-year high, so many of us are in pain but we can all help. you should look to the people around you and reach out to them. let's look after each other. if you see danger signs, if someone you know is talking about feeling hopeless, trapped or being a burden to others, if they're drinking more, sleeping
too little or too much, if they're isolating themselves, you should talk to them. keep talking to them and get help for them. i want everyone to look at the screen and write this down. take a picture on your phone, do whatever. this is the national suicide prevention line. call that number. 1-800-273-8255. so tonight we are remembering the life of anthony bourdain. and if he inspired you, which i am sure he did, you can live like him, too. so get out into the world. move as he said, open up your mind to a new country, to a new culture, to new ideas, to new comers to our culture. embrace your friendships, fight battles for your loved ones and tell the truth. the next time you go out to eat order something weird from the
menu. he'd say try the organ meat. so his good friend is here. how are you? >> hi, don. >> we have a lot to talk about. i have so many questions on these cards but let's just talk. how are you doing? >> it was a tough day. >> tell me about it. >> i don't know. i don't think i can or i'll start weeping again. tony for -- if anybody remotely interested in food or travel, i was struck how his name comes up just in my life just about every day. i was talking to a friend about him last night at dinner. i was talking to someone i ran
into the street yesterday. i introduced my -- i have 12-year-old sons. they're one year older than tony's daughter. we are both men who had our first children once we were 50. and i showed them on sunday night their mother was away, and we stayed up watching tony bourdain on cnn. and, you know, they talked about him all week long. and then to wake up this morning, it was incomprehensible. it was just incomprehensible. and i'm trying to keep it incomprehensible. i've talked about it enough about it now i'm starting to accommodate it. i think the incomprehension is important because something very baffling and disturbing has happened. and i don't want to normalize his death. i think a bit like you here, i've been keeping it raw. it's a terrible day.
>> so i was not as close to anthony as you were, but i knew him, i loved him. i would see him here at cnn and we would talk and, you know, bond over our time on the set. and there's a restaurant here time warners going to call porter house, where kind of everyone goes. and i would see him almost there weekly when he was in town. and i would sort of barge into his booth or table and we would have a quick conversation and i'd go back to work. the last time i saw him i was with two friends and we were sitting and having dinner. and they said, oh, my god, don, that's anthony bourdain over there across the restaurant. do you know him? will you please introduce us to him? so we finished dinner and i said, anthony, i hate to bother you, my friends want to meet you. and he spent 20 minutes talking to them. and i kept trying to pull them
away, and he kept talking to them. tonight i went back to place, everybody came up and said i'm so sorry for your loss. and every single person in that restaurant had a story as if they knew him personally. that doesn't surprise you, does it. >> it was his great gift as person but as a writer and an emissary of television and television reporting, he gave you himself. he was straight, it was funny, it was rude, it was filthy, it was poetic. it was him. i think everybody feels the person they see on television is the person he is. and i think that's true. now i'm beginning to suspect that actually the person we see on television is the person we see in real life, but that person is performing a little bit. and there's clearly a person we
weren't quite seeing or otherwise that person wouldn't be dead now. so i'm replaying all these sort of moments, sort of glimpses and episodes where i think, oh, there was a much more complex person there than i was realizing. >> okay, so let's talk about that. because he was real, so let's keep it real. did you sense that he was going through some things recently? >> it was precious to see tony. i saw tony regularly over 20 years. i spoke to him pretty regularly. i e-mailed pretty regularly with him. i don't regard myself as an intimate friend. i regard myself as a friend.
but i'm beginning to suspect he didn't have many intimate friends. he once said he has a lot of good friends for one week. and i think that's part of his performative self, there's this person that has to keep busy because there's another person that maybe he's even hiding from himself. >> that happens when you're on the road. you know that right? you have these i think anderson put it probably more distinctly than any of us who have been correspondents and traveled, when i was a correspondent for nbc news, i would come home from a long trip and my doorman would know who i was, and i'd walk in -- i understand it's sort of an existence you are on the road, you have your experiences with the crew and with whatever story you're doing and then you
come back and everyone's life, their lives have kept moving around you or past you and you haven't been there to experience it. >> and he was on a crazy schedule. >> do you understand that now when he says he has friends for a few weeks at a time or a few days? >> yes, but i think it might have been a feature of his life for quite a while. there have been little glimpses. in retrospect you think of moments and say oh, there's a kind of vulnerability showing or a strange modesty that seems out of proportion to the person that he's become or insecurities that just pop out of nowhere. and then allusions to his, you know, dark days when he was doing drugs and regret that his father never saw him until he was done with drugs. and he seemed to have a relationship to that past the way an alcoholic had a relationship to an alcohol's past, that you're never not an alcoholic. i was kind of curious and i kind
of make a mental note of it. but now i'm realizing that there's clearly -- there was kind of a darkness to that enormous, affable, fluent, articulate beautiful man we all came to adore. >> i want to put up one of your tweets. can we put up bill's tweet? you tweeted this. you said tony had a lot of friends, i was privileged to be among them. but we weren't, none of us, as close as good friend should be. terrible, terrible, terrible. what did you mean by that? >> well, i think i count myself among a lot of friends that could talk to him directly, that he spoke to directly about anything, just like he would speak about anything. i looked forward to moments of being with him, i looked forward to being able to have dinner with him. i looked forward to every chance i have to see a man who's very, very busy. but there was clearly something that we weren't reaching.
and i think, you know, of all -- of all his friends i think we're now thinking if there was something that we were missing that we could help. why weren't we the person he could talk to in this moment, why weren't we the person he said well i had these bad moments or bad years -- there was a notion with tony he was so busy because he was trying to reach something, trying to arrive at something. and i don't think that's true. i think he was driven by fantastic curiosity and he's excited by the world. and his spontaneous, savvy sometimes vicious always ironic appreciation of the world was just wonderful to see. wonderful. but sometimes i wonder now if maybe he was keeping really, really busy not because he was trying to get somewhere but he was actually fleeing from something.
his assistant who's worked with him for a long time, she has never in her life seen somebody so productive, so busy. he started first thing in the morning and he's going straight on through the day. and he's got his hands in publishing projects. he's got his hand in a new market he was going to do downtown. he's got a book series that he's doing, and he's writing the script often for these shows. and it's -- there's clearly something that -- that he was probably hiding from himself. >> driving him. it's funny that you mentioned that because i think it was the last time he was on set with me, he may have been here one other time with christiane amanpour. i think her company produced her series on sex. it's interesting because you interviewed christiane about her special and did a tease to it
after it's airing about her show or sometime later, and he showed up on set and i was like he's got his hands in everything. doing screenplays, done books, doing television. he's prolific in so many areas. >> which is exciting because all of it is good. >> but i look at you, you feel guilty. why are you guilty? >> i think anybody that loses someone to suicide feels uncomfortable. i mean there's a kind of replaying of your whole relationship. it's like a movie that's going backwards and you're sort of looking for things. i don't think he was -- he wasn't showing many cracks. he wasn't letting many people in. but if you can call yourself a friend, how could you have -- i'm horrified by what eric must be feeling if eric was a friend and just how could he have gone to bed the next night, gone to
bed the night before and find when he wakes up in the morning that his friend is dead. it's not guilt. it's just -- it's almost a responsibility as a friend that you should know -- you should know something of the mechanism that would actually drive a person to that. it's, you know -- it's an act of homicide but it involves the self. it's -- it's what makes all this -- if he died in a traffic accident, if he fell out of a helicopter, in that clip you were showing where he wasn't wearing a helmet or suntan lotion, if in the event he flipped that would be the adventure way to go. but with a man who had so much pleasure and had such a beautiful take on the world, who brought history and politics and
food smarts and humor and honesty -- regardless of the success and the money, the person who really seemed to like have his life in order, to die like that it's -- it's profoundly upsetting. >> we bonded because how do you measure success, right? but a certain level of success he reached later in life, and so did i in my 40s. and when you come to it late you see the humor in it, and you don't really take it for granted. but you still kind of laugh it because you realize it's timing, it's luck. and, you know, it has something to do with you, but sometimes the planets just line up and you feel like the luckiest person on earth or like you got away with
robbing a bank. and i think we got that. and i think you did too because you said you became a father at 50 years old. >> tony talked about the same thing. i'm never going to be a father. i'm going to be a terrible father. like the antidote of a fortune teller saying you're going to be a father, and you're i'm not going to be a father. that's ridiculous. >> can we just show this is you in leon, france, just a few years back and you guys really shared a moment there. and tell us what was going on and about this moment. >> yes.
this is the -- in lyon they have a regular right where you gather in the morning and you drink a lot of -- and you eat a lot of pig and drink some more and eat much more pig. and then you drink even more and eat just vast quantities of pig and you sing songs. and this was a society -- there are a lot of societies in leon. and there are also these societies that do just this, where they just gather often in a workday and they just blow out the entire day. and it was a fabulous thing. and tony was sitting opposite me. i lived in lyon five years. i never went to one of those because they scare me. i've got it go home the next day, i've got to do work. i'm not going to drink for nine hours. it's only when he came to leon
that i went. we just looked at each other one moment and we thought this is really gleeful and amazing and wonderful and weird. and it -- in leon what it captures is something of the spirit of that place, which is that life is lived at the table. life is never lived better than at the table. >> so you started out by holding back tears and you're smiling now. and i think that's what he would want, and appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> good luck. >> thank you. >> kamau bell when we come back. to deliver up to 7 hours of sleep support. number one sleep doctor recommended remfresh - your nightly sleep companion. available in the natural sleep section at walmart.
we're remembering anthony bourdain tonight, globe traveling tv host, best selling author, chef and for a lot of us here at cnn, a friend. a friend who will be dearly missed. joining me now is kamau bell, the host of cnn's "united shades of america." how are you doing? >> this a rough one. thanks for having me on, don. >> you met tony for the first time the emmys, right, your wife
took this picture. so tell us about that. >> everybody assumed from the moment i had a job at cnn i was like hanging out in the cnn cafeteria with bourdain and you, and i hadn't met him before. i was so happy to be nominated for an emmy and i saw him across the room and started geeking out. and my wife knew i was a big fan and he walked over to me and said he liked the work i was doing. and he said we should work together some time, i couldn't imagine he would see anything about it. and i also knew i basically took up his idea but just edited in food and racism. >> the same but different. what do they say, imitation is the best form of flattery, right? >> he was an influence of mine
even before i worked here. >> you said he had a huge influence in your career long before cnn. so what did you admire about him? why was he such a big influence? >> because he took a genre of show and he made it less about the place but about the people and getting people to tell their stories. and the place just became colorful background to what you were seeing with the people he was talking to. i would watch that show on tv but long before i had my show on cnn i was thinking i'd like to do something like that, never thinking that chance would come. and when i talked about doing a show with cnn, the thing that made me feel better is tony was doing that kind of show. he made cnn relevant in a new day that wasn't just about the
news. >> you and anthony shot an episode "parts unknown" in kenya. and you had never been to africa before. what was it like seeing it with tony? >> i knew i was breathing air if ied air, the whole 11 days i was there. we were documenting it and i was like the greatest traveller in the world with tony bourdain. and he was trying to bring me in and not make me feel like i was his junior. let me do what i wanted to do in the episode. he kept encouraging me. and on the other side we spent a lot of time in the car talking about politics, pop culture. and he gave me a lot of advice for united shades which has completely changed how we're going to go forward in future seasons. he gave me advice how to make the show feel better for me. >> you went to see black panther with him in nairobi?
>> there's times in your life, don, you realize you're living a singular experience and you realize you're one of the coolest people in the world. as soon as i found out black panther was playing in nairobi and i had already seen it once, but he was like yeah, let's do it. and not only did we see it, they actually paid for a bunch of kids in nairobi to go there, too. i couldn't just be there and see "black panther." i took a silly instagram video with him in the background, and he didn't realize it was happening at the time. i wanted to document what was happening. i got to see "black panther" with anthony bourdain and hear what he laughed out, hear what he cheered at. it was amazing. >> what did he say? >> he loved it. and he loved it for the same
reasons i loved it. i would see him post political stuff on instagram and some of his fans would be like why you getting political, and i'm like what show are you watching? he was a very politically aware, astute dude. he got black panther on the same level like me and my friends got it, like how important the movie was, how good the movie was and how different it was and special it was. to me it let me know how deep it was just sitting there. the thing in this country right now we're being led by an uncurious person who was anti-intellectual. bourdain was the opposite of that. he was a deeply curious person, an intellectual. he was not afraid to reveal his insecurities and ignorance at times. so, he's a very great example for this country and also connecting to people in an amazing way. >> well kind of forever. for tony.
thank you, my friend. i'll see you soon. >> an incredible person. thank you very much. >> carry it on, okay. and he passed the torch to you and many folks. so do him proud. thank you, sir. we'll see you soon. tonight, along with tony's family our thoughts are with his best friend who shared so many adventures with tony and who sadly found him this morning. here they are in better spicier times. >> what happens when america's favorite bad boy chef and up right french chef eric repargo to china? eric's never been to china before, nor is he used to the elevated levels of shall we say heat and spice. >> this is very sweet and sticky, but i like it a lot. >> in fact, his delicate system totally can't handle what he's about to get.
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entryway. i'm a guy who spent 30 years cooking food professionally. that's where i come from. that's how i'm always going to look at the world. but food isn't everything. and something comes up, i'm happy to get up for the meal and wander elsewhere. >> anthony bourdain saw and experienced life in ways that people never will. in places near and far, he talked, tasted, with an open mouth, eyes and open heart and mind. in years when anthony would return, we would meet up and discuss the places he had just been. usually at a restaurant table where he encouraged me to expand my culinary curiosity. >> word on the street is you don't like food. >> i'm not a foodie. >> what is abonderson going to freaked out by? terrify him. >> that was a thymus gland.
>> where would that be? >> it's somewhere around your neck. >> glad i didn't know it before i ate it. what was that? >> aorta. >> aorta from the heart. >> it's a valve for the heart. >> i didn't know you could eat the aorta. >> you can eat anything, man. >> why is it called blood sausage? >> because it's made from blood. if it is really good, it is kind of squirty. >> anthony loved eating, drinking and tasting the delights of the world, immersing himself in other parts of the world. bringing the rest of us along on his journey. his shows were full of references to music he loved, music he worshipped and books he read and re-read. >> an important factor of the heart of darkness. a book that i am obsessed with. only exceeded by my obsession with "apocalypse now."
>> my favorite movie. >> track that story arc as a need of exploring. >> as a kid i wanted to be colonel curts in the movie. a mountain yard army. yeah. i was a strange kid. >> i am with you on the mountain yard army. that sounded cool. finally, trying to get in this country five years now. >> by the time of his death, anthony had visited more than 80 countries and many of them multiple times. even if food was not your passion, anthony could enthrall you with what he learned in the places he went. and watching your shows, i realize i am missing out on an entire side of the places i am visiting because i am not experimenting with the food. >> people are telling you a story when they give you food. if you don't accept the food, you are in many cultures whether rural arkansas or vietnam, you
are rejecting the people and they -- i mean, we see it many, many times. because i am accepting the food, if it is either out of my comfort zone or appalling, because i am nodding saying yes, i'll try it, thank you, people open up and the relationship proceeds from that point. and becomes something very, very different. people are surprised to see americans, you know, eat their food. pleasantly surprised. they are telling you something about themselves. chances are they are proud of their food traditions. even if what they have to offer is very little. >> have there been times when you said absolutely, i can't eat that. i know it's going to make me sick. >> no, mission one on the show is if you have to take one for the team, you take one for the team. i try to be a good guest.
there have been times where freshness is clearly an issue, and i know i am likely going to pay a price. but in almost every case, a magic moments is happening. and i am going to see a lot more if i suck it up and eat the nasty bit. the vast majority of those experiences are pleasurable journeys of discoveries. every once in a while it is unpleasant. what is the worst thing going to happen? a course of antibiotics. what do you get in return? i think a lot. >> born anthony michael bourdain on june 25th, 1956. born in new jersey. spent time with relatives in france for the summer. that's where he developed his appreciation of fine foods. he started working in kitchens at a young age. first washing dishes, then becoming a line cook. he became addicted to heroin and cocaine during this time of his life, but beat the habit and eventually rose to become an
executive chef in new york city. he took me there in 2015 to cook a traditional french dish. >> this is tripe. >> what is tripe? that's one of those words that i know it means something else that i don't want to eat. >> it means good. >> why do you need to eat the stomach lining? >> you have to work hard for the good stuff. >> in 1999, he sent a humorous but shocking realities to "the new yorker" magazine, about working in a kitchen. that led to "kitchen confidential." soon after that, he landed his first tv show a cook's show which aired on the food network. the beginning of his rise to fame. >> as a cook, tastes and smells are my memories. now, i'm in search of new ones. so i am leaving new york city and hope to have a few epiphanies around the world. and i hope to go to lengths to do that. i'm looking for extremes of
emotion and experience. i will try everything, i risk everything, i have nothing to lose. >> went on to host "no reservations" on the travel channel and then in 2012 joined cnn. "parts unknown" was more than traveling and eating. anthony was a great storyteller. it has won plenty of awards over the years. his voice was unique and fearless. he was as interested in politics and music and culture as what was cooking on the stove. >> that was the beginning of our erosion of our society as we know it. >> i make lots and lots of money and that money will somehow trickle down. i share my toilet with no man. move it along. i am a man of simple needs. the ideas of riding up the steps and disemboweling royals, i can easily imagine that. it would not take much convincing. where's my damn toga? i describe "parts unknown," as
essays. stand-alone essays that generally tries to focus in on the food and where it comes from, but not always. >> the show was so popular, even president obama wanted in on it. he sat down with anthony in hanoi, vietnam in 2016. >> is it acceptable to pop one of these suckers in your mouth? or is it -- >> slurping is acceptable. it takes skills to handle sticky cold noodles. whatever your opinion of the man, the president has those skills. >> i gotta say, this is killer. i'm glad i can help. >> anthony was always himself on camera and honest about what he saw and what he felt. in one episode about the opioid crisis he talked about his struggle with addiction in the
past. >> something was missing in me. whether it was a character flaw, some dark genie inside me. i very much hesitate to call it a disease, that led me to dope. >> he was married twice. and in 2007 welcomed a daughter into the world. after she was born he told "people" magazine that she gave him a reason to live. this is her voice in a special episode of "parts unknown" in 2014. >> it's been two years on the road with "parts unknown." how do you feel about the show? has the experience changed? is it still fun? >> that's a hard question. you know, one of the great things about travel is just when you think i have had enough of this, something really interesting happens. and interesting things happen to me all the time. all the time. i feel i have the best job in the world and it is still fun. more importantly even i think, it is still interesting.
and it is still challenging in a good way. who wouldn't do this if they could? >> it is impossible from the outside to ever fully know what goes on in someone else's heart or in their head. it's impossible to fathom how quickly one's life can change. he once wrote, as you move through this life and this world you change things slightly. you leave marks behind however small. and in return, life and travel leaves marks on you. most of the time the marks on your body and heart are beautiful. often, though, they hurt. tonight, the hurt for all of us who knew anthony, and all of us who came to know him through his travels, that hurt is strong, and the shock is real, and the sadness is just beginning to sink in. anthony bourdain was 61 years old.
anthony bourdain liked to say walk in someone's shoes. or at least eat their food. we got a taste of what he meant and n his incredible storytelling in "parts unknown" here on cnn. i want to bring in fareed zacaria. thank you for joining us. it's a sad day for not only for cnn but really the world. a man who found a way to make the world accessible. iran, case in point. listen to this. >> everyone's been telling me
something i have to try. iranian take-out pizza. it comes with a catch, though. >> what do you think about iranian pizza? >> not bad. we don't put ketchup on pizza. >> i love ketchup. >> he went to eat pizza with a bunch of iranian kids racing cars in a parking lot. how many american kids can imagine that scene in iran? >> he told me about that. i think what's extraordinary about that clip and his work in general is exactly what you said, don. which is he was much more than a great food writer, a great chef. he was a cultural ambassador. he was someone who stumbled onto this road of trying to help americans understand what seems a very foreign and alien world. america's this vast continental nation with two vast oceans and two weak neighbors. we don't know much about the world.
we don't travel that much. a very small percentage of americans have passports. and the result is then you begin to fear, you're bewildered and you can easily dehumanize people. and what tony did is he really understood the first challenges to make people understand the other cultures, other people just as human beings, with their own drama, troubles, their own sense of themselves. and he did it through food. but it was -- i think it was a much larger mission. i don't know whether he was doing it instinctively or whether he set out to do it, but he became one of the great cultural ambassadors america has ever had. >> you said that much more eloquently than i did. i was saying earlier how he took food and really transformed it. it wasn't really about the food. it was about the experience. and he taught people like a journalist.
better than some journalists. and he was also fearless. he went to moscow in 2014 and he ate with the foreign deputy prime minister. listen to this. >> critics of the government, critics of putin, bad things seem to happen to them. >> yes. unfortunately the existing power represents what i say russia old 19th century, not of 21st. >> critics of putin beware. this man accused putin of corruption and wound up spending ten years in prison and labor camps. alexander accused state security services of organizing a coup to put putin in power. he was poisoned by a lethal dose of radioactive polonium. and viktor ushenko, the ukrainian president, poisoned, disfigured and nearly killed by a toxic dose of dioxin.
i'm not saying russian bodies had anything officially to do with it, but it's mighty suspicious. you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to say whoever did this, wanted it. >> he was murdered, gunned down in the streets about nine months after that episode aired. and anthony spoke out about it after it happened. >> it's another great example. he had him on my show and i watched the whole interview. tony's is better because he was able to again communicate and reached people by using this vehicle of food which disarms you. which just makes everyone feel that they share something in common. they share a love, a passion in common. it didn't stop him as you showed in that clip from dealing with some very tough issues. some very hard issues. he dealt with it when he was looking at indochina with the unexploded land mines.
this is when he and obama had the dinner in vietnam. "the new yorker" reported a lot of obama's staff didn't realize the extent of this problem. that american bombs that were dropped in those countries that had not exploded. and it may have had something to do with the fact the administration then devoted $90 million to helping clean it up. so there was some real substance there. >> and tony talked plenty about food and culture. he wanted to educate. in one episode, he wanted to highlight diversity to show a side of the city many don't see. so, he feoff featured diverse communities. he was trying to open people's minds. did he a very similar thing when did he this else in the bronx, as well. >> exactly. it is, as i said, the central theme of tony's work has been make the foreign less foreign. make foreign people less foreign. playing their cultures less
foreign. and the vehicle was food. in a way he was daring you to try to experience it. if you remember, so many of these episodes, he would try something weird. something that a lot of americans would go into a restaurant and say i'm not going to try that. i'm not going to try this exotic thing. he would try and it relish it. and his pleasure became contagious and was sort of an invitation to america to say, try to experience the world. try to understand what it feels like. and you will find all of a sudden it's not that foreign. their fast food is like our fast food. their love of cuisine in the culture is like our love of cuisine and culture. it is a very powerful universal humanizing message. it was something quite profound he was able to do, using this very clever technique of just talking about food. >> so let's talk about some of your work. he was a big fan of yours. and i'm sure he would really have enjoyed this.
you have a fascinating new documentary, the two faces of kim jong-un. that premieres on sunday night. anu talked about the worry that many experts worry about a nuclear war that could start by mistake. let's take a look. >> reporter: there is just one reason north korea now stands at the center of the world stage. ♪ this penniless, isolated, to tall totalitarian state could start a nuclear war. >> would it explode quickly. >> reporter: a deadly scenario haunts the greatest military minds. two unpredictable nuclear armed leaders, just one terrible mistake. >> he's just crazy enough, from my perspective, and unpredictable enough, that he might use those weapons.
>> the scenarios i worry about are not where leaders deliberately choose to start a nuclear war but where they stumble into one. through incompetence or sheer miscalculation. >> i have to ask you. both men are pretty volatile. what do you expect from this summit? >> well, let's hope it is a getting to know each other. i think that the danger is one that president trump has been touting. the whole thing is misplanned in many ways. this is what should happen at the end of a long diplomatic process. the two leaders meeting. there is nothing agreed on yet. it is not even clear the north koreans agree the idea that they should be denuclearizing. getting rid of nuclear weapons. so there is a lot of possibilities for misunderstandings, therefore a sense of disappointment. so i think the most useful thing would be if they get to know each other.
they try to communicate with each other, what the core values and objectives are, and then say we'll begin a process of maybe months, maybe years to try to figure out where there are areas of commonality. the great danger, and i'm surprised president trump keeps doing this, is to hype this meeting. it is quite possible that very little will come of it. perhaps something comes of it. but he keeps saying this will be huge, it will be great. i think he wants to do amazing things for north korea. it's the art of deal. he talks about the fact that you don't, you shouldn't look like you want the meeting so much. you shouldn't look like you want success so much. this is sort of negotiations 101. the co-author of "the art of the deal" said mr. trump didn't read the book even though he is supposed to have written it. i think he should read his own book. would it give him some very useful tips. >> under the circumstances, i
think it is important for you to tell people how you feel about them. i am happy to have you as a friend and colleague. thank you. i look forward to the special. he reveals the two faces of kim jong-un in a new cnn special report at 8:00. all weekend, cnn remembers our friend anthony bourdain. we'll look back at some classic episodes of "parts unknown" in a special marathon tomorrow night, beginning at 8:00. on sunday, you can see a new episode set in berlin, at 9:00 p.m. and midnight, followed by our tribute to a man who for a lot of us with a you a hero. "remembering anthony bourdain" airs sunday night at 10:00 and 1:00 a.m. if you want to honor his life, do what he would have done. eat something delicious, weird or strange. listen to some great music really loud. hang out with some old friends or make some new ones and tell your stories.
he's my friend. we've had a great relationship right from the beginning. >> despite trade differences, the u.s. president appears to be mending fences with u.s. allies at the g7 conference, but he is also calling for a big change. >> they should let russia come back in because we should have russia at the negotiating table. >> and that request for change is not going over well with other g7 leaders. more on that