tv Fareed Zakaria GPS CNN June 10, 2018 7:00am-8:00am PDT
this is gps, global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. today on the show, two major world meetings. the g7 summit that just happened and the trump/kim summit coming up on tuesday. where are we on america's relations with its allies, on trade, and on north korea's nukes? also, kim jong-un, how has he morphed from arch villain to global peace maker. i'll give you a preview of my special that will air tonight. and the iran deal. the paris climate agreement, the opening to cuba.
how does it feel to have your legacy systematically demolished by president trump? obama foreign policy advisor ben rhodes takes us inside the obama situation room and tells us all. finally, welcome. we'll bring you the best of ten years of "gps" but first here's my take. with their successes this week in the california primaries, democrats are increasingly optimistic about their prospects for the mid-term elections, but they should take note of the bigger picture when it comes to left/right politics these days. over the last decade the center left has been destroyed electorally across the west. unless democrats face up to this reality and devise a strategy to reverse this tidal wave of defeat, they might find themselves surprised one more time this november. when you tally up their numbers,
they have almost the lowest representation in about 100 years according to political scientists, but they are not alone. brittain's band opened that a year before the labor party had received its second worst electoral result in a century in germany in 2009 the once dominant social democrats had their worst showing since the federal republic was created in 1949. things have changed a bit since 2011, though mostly for the worst. in france for the establishment left recent results have been worse than at any time since 1969. the situation is even more puzzling when you consider the backdrop. ten years after the start of the worst economic recession since the great recession, a global financial crisis caused in large part by the recklessness of the private sector, the parties that
have been punished are largely on the left and those rewarded are largely on the right. why? to answer this, a group of scholars published an excellent book last fall titled "why the left loses." sherry bernard points to some answers. one is the nature of the economic issues with large work forces, regulated economies and safety nets. this market economy was largely created by the left, thus, berman argues, when the whole system found it threatened by globalization and information technology and cracked by the financial crisis, it was the left that found itself most at a loss as to how to respond politically. left has damaged themselves further in my view by immediately turning on themselves by many of them claiming they never should have embraced turning on the market itself. the free traders such as bill
clinton, tony blaire, gerhardt schroeder won election after election after election. it is their left wing successions that is there. here the left confronts its greatest challenge. throughout the world politics has shifted from poor issues of economics to those of identity. perhaps this is because of the rise of a mass middle class. perhaps it is because the left and right do not have dramatically different programs certainly compared with 50 years ago when many on the left wanted to nationalize industries and many on the right wanted no social safety net at all, but for whatever reason, people today are moved by issues of race, religion, ethnicity, gender, identity. on those issues the left faces a dilem dilemma. it cannot celebrate identity and diversity without triggering a backlash of the older, whiter population. berman summed it up it to me in
a conversation. the left has always been about a hopeful version of the future, one in which everyone pros percent, but when a large part of the public is fearful and pessimistic and nostalgic for a world gone by, offering hope is a hard sell. go to cnn.com/fareed and read my column for more. for now, let's get started. the g7 meeting between america and its closest allies has historically been congenial and predictable. all of that has gone out the before this weekend's meeting in quebec, trump was complaining about the unfairness of ally's trade policies but the club came out after the meeting. trump tweeted that america would not endorse the traditional statement because of the quote, unquote, false statements by justin. he was referring of course to
prime minister trudeau of canada. very dishonest and weak. what in the world is going on? joining me now is tony blinken, former deputy of state, deputy national security adviser in the obama administration and cnn global affairs analyst. tony, i think we can both agree, we've never seen anything like this, the united states refusing to sign a joint declaration with the closest allies, insulting the canadian prime minister. i want to get to the substance. does trump have a point that there is a systematic set of predatory practices that europeans have enacted? in other words, have they taken ntage ofrica on trade? >> you know, fareed, he has a point on specific products and industries, but starting a trade war with our closest allies is not the way to make that point and to make it effectively. he's now started a race to the bottom and far from retreating, our allies threatened to retaliate. if you are making pork, harley
david sons, orange juice, peanut butter, you're going to have a tariff slapped on your product. the business roundtable said this is a profound mistake, that in terms of prices for consumers here in the u.s., our own ability to export and economic growth all endangered by a tariff war the president started. here's the irony. overall, fareed, in terms of taxes, the united states, e.u., canada, very low, under 2%. there are specific products that get high tariffs. the president is right about milk products being sold to canada just like the canadians are upset that we slap a 300% tariff on tobacco. the trans-pacific partnership resolved the milk issue with canada. that would be a way to do it. starting a war with your best friends, not the right way. >> it's important that people understand, these trade deals are complex packages. you can always then point to one
area where you feel you got shafted, you know, you got something else. for example, the united states sells its services everywhere and often other countries resent the fact that we get that special treatment so everyone's making some concessions in return for some reciprocal concessions on the other side. >> that's exactly right. that's the tragedy of having thrown out the trans-pacific partnership. there was an opportunity to resolve some of the outstanding issues. for everyone to succeed, to have a win-win. now we're heading back to a zero sum world again with our closest partners. >> let me ask you about a specific charge president trump also made which struck me as an odd one. he said that if he had been president, he doesn't think russia would have gotten away with an exit in crimea and invading ukraine. you were deputy secretary of state at the time. in effect he's blaming obama for the russian annexation of crimea. what's your response?
>> when he gets out of play on something he blames someone else, including president obama. after the russians annexed crimea and went into eastern ukraine, president obama led the world pulling together a coalition, bringing the europeans together often the toughest sanctions on russia, beefing up nato right along sides nato's boarder, working on energy security. now when president trump talks about letting russia back in, that's amazing. they've doubled down. they've medaled in our elections, exporting corruption everyplace. they're not a responsib actor. they were originally, of course, brought into the g8 to make it a g8 on the premise that they would be a responsible actor. they were kicked out when they didn't become one. now it's only gotten worse. the president, fareed, is doing putin's bidding for him. we're talking about collusion.
what worries me is the collusion is now, whether intended or not. which is to say whether it's tearing down our own institutions or our own alliances, president trump is doing everything that mr. putin would want him to do. >> don't go away, tony. when we come back, i want to talk about tuesday's big summit in singapore. what can we expect? we'll be joined by a couple others when we come back. e beste if you're at outback. introducing the aussie 4-course, starting at $15.99. but hurry, aussie 4-course won't last long! and try our everyday lunch combos, starting at $7.99. allow you to take advantage of growth opportunities... with a level of protection in down markets. so you can be less concerned about your retirement savings. talk with your advbout shield annuities from brighthouse financial- established by metlife.
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here in new york susan carey joins us. she is a senior career analyst with the cia and elise hue is the bureau chief. elise, what is your sense of what's going on there? usually these summits with heads of state are pretty choreographed. >> this is the opposite, fareed. in fact, i was talking to one diplomatic source from u.s. nbc seoul who was saying they have somewhere between a dozen to 15 different contingency plans because typically these heads of state summit or even you know working level summits are a lot more choreographed, down to the number of steps it takes to get to a podium, but in this case there are so many different possible ways it could go because not only was it on and was it off but now you have the president saying that he could be walking out of it if he doesn't get a good deal.
and so this is definitely unprecedented already because it's so historic for the u.s. president and a north korean leader to meet, but it's also unprecedented in how improvised it's going to be. >> terry, when you look at this, we've talked a lot about what trump wants. what is it that you think the north koreans, what are they looking for? what have they gotten already? >> well, what they want is international acceptance on north korea as a nuclear weapons state. they want a little bit of respect and want to be treated like a normal country. he wants to be a normal leader of a normal country and one that's equal to the united states. i think he's already gotten that. look at all of this publicity. he's like the hottest guy on the planet right now. everyone is looking at him. he's being treated like a normal leader, right? so he's already gotten that. >> what do you think the north korean strategy here is going to be? you have said on this show many times you don't think they're
going to give up all their nuclear weapons. they must have processed through. they've been very strategic so far. what do you think they're going to do? >> an agreement where they say we will denuclearize. they could go for a peace treaty. they might even give something up front like it's going to look really good, look like north korea is turning a new leaf, ballistic missiles, a new facility and get out and buy time and wait out the administration. this is a couple years' game, even 1994 reframework. we didn't know it has failed until 2002 when we found out that north korea was cheating on the agreement by purchasing a uranium enrichment program. north korea agrees, that isn't the hard part. hard part is implementation and verification. >> tony, that seems to be a very big point. 1994 they signed a deal with the
clinton administration. they agreed to denuclearize. it was 2002 that we found out, six years later, that they were cheating. it feels to me like that's a real danger. when you helped negotiate the iran deal, aren't those kinds of checks, cameras, inspections, that's the heart of the process? >> fareed, that's exactly right. the president to some extent has already hoisted on his own hyperbo hyperbole. he tore down the iran deal, every conceivable adjective. now can he meet the same standard with north korea. can he get them up front as iran did to dismantle virtually the entirety of its program. can he get the most intrusive verification and monitoring system in north korea as we did with iran? look, we should all want the president to succeed. it's great that he's pursuing diplomacy. sumi is right, he has such a
strong need to make this a success. if he doesn't do it on the substance and merits, we're going to be right back where we've been. in 2005 the north koreansdenucl again in 2012 and they didn't follow through. they are masters at string, ring, walk. string out negotiations, ring out the sanctions and walk. we won't know whether this succeeds for many, many months if not years. >> tony, one quick thought on the psychology. you've seen presidents operate up close. you were in the clinton administration as well. there must be an additional temptation to have the summit succeed because he's just come out of one which sort of failed. on the heels of the g7 summit in disarray, with the united states at odds with its closest allies, you can't have a second summit fail. >> yeah, that would be, i think, for the president disastrous.
that is going to further tempt him to declare success. for example, the more he hypes the success of the meeting with kim, the more it says to china, go ahead, lift economic pressure. after all, the north koreans are doing the same. it keeps them at the table and focused on doing something concrete. the real problem, fareed, when you step back. we've demonstrated at the g7 that america first is america alone. that means it's harder to put pressure and to confront common challenges together whether it's russia, china, or for that matter north korea. confidence in global leadership has gone through the floor. it's down 20 points. hopefully again the president can make a turn here. this is an important moment. if he can make something of it, keep the focus on, do the work necessary, it would be a very good thing. >> sumi terry, when you look at
the north koreans again, how do you think they'll react if president trump does what he claims he's going to do, which is bring up the issue of human rights in north korea, the abductees, policy randomly kidnapping japanese individuals. i'm struck by iran. he was scathing about the iranian government's repression. they're an open society compared to north korea which really is a kind of, you know, perhaps the most repressive regime in the world. >> north koreans are not going to react well. i think kim jong-un is very sensitive about human rights issue. this is a guy that's been declared by the united nations. they have a 400 page report saying this is a guy who commits time against humanity. this is a guy who runs ghoulags in the country. he might bring it up, an abduction issue as a favor to
some kind of declaration of victory, the chinese can say -- because they've never really wanted to put as much pressure on north korea as the rest of the world has. they can say, hey, we can ease up and we can have better relations again. >> the reality is the chinese are already easing up. after xi jinping met with president trump the first time, we've seen reports sanctions are not being implemented or being loosened up. we know north korean sea ports are showing up on the other side of the border. political will to implement sanctions has already weakened. kim jong-un is already in a better position today than he was last november or december. political will isn't there anymore. it's going to be also -- we can't go back to talking about preventive strike. after all of this diplomacy. that's why i'm saying kim jong-un is already in a good place right now. >> with all of the squabbling with the allies, it would become
harder to reinforce or tighten sanctions. let's put it this way, justin trudeau is not going to look timely on this one. the president's chief economic advisor said he stabbed the president in the back. again, language and imagery i've never heard. we will be back in a moment with a preview of my brand-new documentary on north korea. the two faces of kim jong-un premiers tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern pacific. we will give you an exclusive sneak peek when we come back. is that small? when you own your own thing, it's huge. your partnerships, even bigger. with dell small business technology advisors you'll get the one-on-one partnership you need to grow your business. because the only one who decides how big your business can be, is you. the dell vostro 15 laptop, with 7th gen intel® core™ processors. i had a very minor fender bender tonight!
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and then don't denuclearize, that will not be acceptable. >> as donald trump gets ready to meet kim jong-un on tuesday in singapore, it might be wise for the president and the rest of us to sit back and consider the history. just how did kim and the other kims before him come to rule over north korea with an iron fist? it's a fascinating story that you'll see in my latest documentary, the two faces of kim jong-un. it airs tonight, sunday, at 8:00 p.m. eastern and pacific on cnn. kim jong-un's grandfather kim il-sung became the first
premiere in 1948. with soviet help he built up his army and invaded the south, only to be turned back by an american-led intervention. for more than 45 years he ruled north korea brutally, but he attained a god-like status and was much beloved. we pick up the story when he dies and his son, kim jong-il takes over. there were doubts about kim jong-il's succession, but they grads du gradually faded because he had one talent. he was a master propagandist. >> when kim jong-il took the propaganda department, that's when they started turning kim il-sung into this god figure. >> the great myths of the dynasty, the preposterous stories of their god-like abilities and sacred bloodline,
kim jong-il largely created them. >> he was very influenced by christianity in a strange way. when you look at north korean culture, it's kind of a cult city system. they have people who praise the kim family. they have survival that's all about kim sung's work. they have bible study groups. >> the resemblance to christianity is no accident. many kim myths are rooted in te religion, perhaps because founder kim il-sung was raised a presbyterian. his parents were said to have been converted by american missionaries. >> it's a cult. these are the leaders that need to be worworshipped. >> the kims created a religion around themselves and that became a key to survival. kim jong-il created most of it. it turns out he had another
ambition. what he really wanted to do was direct. >> kim jong-il really wanted to make movies. >> loved american cinema and was huge movie buff. ♪ it's one for the money, two for the show, three to get ready, now go and go ♪ >> he loved elvis, "gone with the wind," but most of all "titanic." so inspired was kim jong-il that he made his own version of "titanic." ♪ ♪ >> understanding the kim family and kim jong-un in particular is crucial going into tuesday's summit in singapore. we hope the president will watch my show tonight to get deep insight into the kims, their hermit community and what kim jong-un wants. you certainly should. it's all coming to a screen near you tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern pacific. the two faces of kim jong-un airs tonight right here on cnn.
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modi to back the paris climate attack making history. president trump has withdrawn from that. what does it look like to have your president and own legacy systematically disassembled by the new resident of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. benjamin rhodes is "the world as it is." good to see you. >> thanks for having me on. >> it must have been hard to write this memoir of all of these accomplishments while watching so many of them being dismantled. >> it's interesting way of putting it, fareed, because that's right. i was reliving high moments, going into the vatican with the cubans to tell them we're going to establish diplomatic relations. that pivotal meeting with prime minister modi in paris where he said he would be the final agreement of the paris agreement. finally securing the iran deal. i was reliving these highs at the time at the same time the incumbent of the white house was essentially doing everything he
could to try to take an axe to some of these achievements. >> you know president trump is going to meet with kim jong-un. do you think that president obama wanted to meet with north koreans and politically recognize, felt that for him to do it would have been unthinkable? >> it was funny in reliving this experience. the week i went to work for president obama in 2007 he was in a democratic debate and he was asked whether he'd meet with the leaders of iran, north korea and cuba without preconditions. he said, yes, i would. it caused a firestorm. now all of these republicans called him naive, irresponsible. my first ink link ling of his political courage, he said, no, i'm right about this. you do diplomacy with your adversaries and not just your
friends. iran and cuba he had two accomplishments with them. with north korea what was different for us was two things. one, we had a right wing government the whole time we were in office. people failed to appreciate how much the fact of this diplomacy is tied to president moon more than anybody else. he really wants to make this happen. and the second thing is that kim jong-un took power when we were in our second term. we had to take the measure of him and what we saw him do, by the way, was purge any potential opponents, including the people that were closest to china, and then towards the end of our administration begin to consolidate this nuclear deterrent. i think kim jong-un is coming into this from a position of strength. the south korean president wants to avoid a war. the north korean president believes he's operating from a position of strength and a u.s. president who is not prepared. >> a lot of people said he was kind of a cold man who didn't develop personal relations and that personal diplomacy is at
the heart of diplomacy. >> yeah. this used to drive him crazy. i described a scene where this was annoying. he called me up to the oval office and saying, why do people think i'm aloof? i love david cameron. i love angela merkel. he never believed that criticism about himself. he was a kind of pragmatist. he forged very close relationships, especially with lang merkel. i describe especially at the end of the book when he said good-bye to her she had a tear in her eye. >> and he walks away saying in the book, poor angela. she's all along. >> yeah. >> meaning she is trying to uphold this western architecture -- >> yeah. >> -- without a u.s. president who will support her? >> yes. it was a powerful moment. he said, angela, she's all al e alone. then we saw justin trudeau at the final summit with him in
lima. obama leans over and says, justin, you're going to have to speak up more when certain values are threatened. i saw him kind of trying to pass a torch but actually what we were talking after that episode and he was saying, look, i have great confidence in angela and justin and several other leaders, but to do that without a u.s. president is a very difficult thing. and we saw xi jinping at that summit in november of 2016. he looked pretty relaxed for the outcome of the summit. obama was warning him, trump's going to -- means what he says on trade and there's a political constituency in the united states. i'll never forget. xi sat back and said, well, if an amateur leader wants to throw the world into chaos, then the world will know who to blame. what i heard xi saying is i am now going to be able to claim high ground on the u.s. president. it hasn't surprised me that you know how bizarrely xi jinping is
the spokesperson for trade and globalization around the world. >> i've got to ask you in closing, you know, people often point out that presidents always go gray in the white house. >> yes. >> i'm going to show you two photographs from your book. >> yes. >> photograph when you started. >> yes. >> photograph when you started and photograph midway through. you are now, as i may say so, essentially bald. >> yes. yes. >> did you lose all of your hair because of working with the white house? >> you know, i think if you read the book you'll understand exactly why i lost my hair. look, it may have been genetics but it certainly was accelerated. part of it is i was like 29 when i went to work for obama. >> you thought you were going to be -- >> well, i had had a few years from being a novelist. 29 in the campaign, 31 in the white house. i was a normal person and, you know, i think that's part of what's unique about this person. i wasn't like a hillary clinton
or leon panetta. i came into this without that kind of experience of limelight and then to go on this journey and be in the room for some really consequential and difficult decisions and to wrestle with that myself. to become in many ways kind of a punching bag. i describe in the book becoming -- the strange experience of becoming a right wing villain. i don't advise anybody to do it, it's not pleasant. the rough and tumble of politics. what i hope i convey is i feel like i came out on the other end, yes, somewhat chastened in my idealism but still with the beliefs that led me to believe in barack obama. >> well, the book is written with a novelist spin. thank you. terrific book. >> thank you. next on the show, they say time flies when you're having fun? well, it seems like it's been a flash, but the global public square has been on for a decade,
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call for your free publisher kit today! welcome to the very first edition of "global public square." i'm fareed zakaria. no need to adjust your television screen. that was the very first episode of fareed zakaria gps which aired ten years ago this month. a lot happened in the world during these ten trips around the summit. when the global public square first launched on june 1st, 2008, george w. butch was the president of the united states. >> yes, we can! >> a week later hillary clinton would step aside and endorse the senator from illinois to be the democratic nominee. few predicted the financial
recession would explode and cause a recession nor did they anticipate the highs of the arab spring or the lows of the syrian civil war. osama bin laden was alive and at large. these words did not exist. >> that's what it looked like. >> my fellow americans -- >> president trump. donald trump was actually on screen but in the apprentice. >> you're fired. >> in the more than 500 episodes of this show he sat down with the world thinkers, doers, covered a number of extraordinary global events. take a look. >> this is a special edition of gps coming to you today from tehran, a place few journalists are given access to. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world coming from davos, switzerland, st. petersburg, russia, high atop aman, jordan.
tahrir square. >> let's get started on what's going to be a hell of a ride. the big, bad story of course is the gruesome terrorist attacks in mumbai. >> do you believe that islamic extremism is the transcendent challenge of the 21st century? >> i don't think it's the only threat that we face. >> there is a very famous photograph of you at tianamen square in 1989. what lesson did you take from your experiences in dealing with that problem. >> this in and of itself does not subjugate women and does not hold them back but certain people choose to interpret islam in a way that does hold women back. >> every night now in tehran people take to their rooftops communicating house to house even as they witness the violence that continues on the streets below. >> we've got to be able to say to the iranians, here's what's
in it for you if you get back into the good graces of the international community. >> will you be back in new york soon? >> it's final. >> i have long felt that we are spending too much time, effort, resources and energy on afghanistan given the realities out there. >> we watched history being made last friday as a dictatorship yielded to peaceful protests. >> i think we're witnessing a decade of change in the middle east. the kingdom of bin laden showed that there is a way to fighter or list organizations. >> are you the prime minister who will preside over the liquidation of the world? >> i don't accept that for one single minute. >> the problems that produced the newtown massacre are not the problems or the solutions. we do not lack for answers. what we lack in america today is
courage. one day we will look back and wonder how people could have been so willing to deny equal treatment under the law to a small minority. >> it's been an extraordinary six days since two bombs exploded near the finish line of the boston marathon. >> there will be mosh destruction. >> no! >> russia has now made it through. it has essentially detached crimea from the ukrainian government's control. >> it's very important you haven't tried hard enough. >> it's great. >> donald j. trump is calling. >> i am appalled by donald trump's bigotry and demagoguery, not because i'm a muslim but because i'm an american. >> to label islam under the term of extremist and moderates is actually extremely wrong.
♪ ♪ >> yesterday outside the bataclan concert hall where one of the deadliest of attacks began to take place a man began to play john lennon's "imagine." >> brittain voted to withdraw from the european union. >> the moesch oeasure of your patriotism is not the color of your skin, your last name. >> we never interfered into the internal political processes much other countries. >> we don't have a system. we don't have a civilization with a capacity to pick up a city and move it inland 20 miles. >> it's hard to understand the rationale behind trump's decision to withdraw from the iran nuclear deal. >> i don't know where india falls on the shithole perspective but it's brown and poor. >> i will faithfully execute --
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i'm brian sell the ter, t-- stelter, this is reliable sources. this week the loss of anthony bourdain. we're here to find out how this meal with anthony changed his life. we'll also have a frank conversation about how to cover and how not to cover suicide. plus, president trump cracking down on leaks as the justice department seizes a reporter's e-mails and phone records. buzz feed editor is here.