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the president of the united states donald trump. we anticipate a hand shake. and then as anderson was telling you, the the real moment happens, one-on-one meeting, no policy people, no protection. just the leaders of the two countries. how long will it go? minutes, hours? will we know what happened in there? there is a lot of anticipation, a lot at stake. let'sring back anderson cooper in singapore, history unfolding as we speak. >> photographers getting in place. that hand shake about to take place any moment now. and as you said, chris, we won't know the details of what they discussed except when president trump decides to talk about it afterwards, not going to be as far as we know, a recording or any minutes taken of the meeting
that will be released as far as we know. the only word that we will g of what is discussed will be from president trump or kim jong-un in the north korean regime. a lot of questions about what sort of attitude both leaders, what strategies both leaders will be using in thisirst face to face meeting. the meeting president trump wanted to have first before the larger meeting with other officials as well. and then there is going to be a working lunch as well. a lot to watch for and certainly a lot of expectations in the hours ahead. >> cat unusual though, you know, obviously this moment is a first of its kind. with that idea of a meeting face to face, just translators, and tons of intrigue, what other skills will each of these translators have. will they be intelligence
officers. this as we all know, you don't get a second chance of making a first impression. thes two men across the table, how will they regard each other. what will they mix? what tone will that set going forward? these are major considerations and you know, journalist like us are left reaching, there has been very little providing in the way of detailing. even off the record of scheduling leaves huge blocks of time with a lot of unknown. >> president trump was beginning to change what the parameters was going to be, calling it a get to know you plus. not trying to raise expectations too high in terms of concrete issues being hammered out and decided on. any kind of verification with secretary mike pompeo has been
talked about over and over again. that is going to take years perhaps or at least months to set up the kind of protocols for that and years to actually execute. >> sure, the what of denuclearization is the easy part of the ask. it gets into when it happens and how. we have a ton of great guests. as we wait for this meeting. anderson and i will take you through it as it happens. we have cnn former director of national intelligence, jim clapper. thank you for being with us. some of the things that we are discussing, this is a first for trump to have made this moment happen, how big a deal is this? >> a huge deal and i have long maintained that particularly after i went to north korea in 2014, seemed to me that the north koreans were stuck on their narrative and we're stuck
on ours and it takes a bigger partner to change that. and so yes, it is a huge deal. >> we are about 90 seconds away from this. there is kim jong-un right there live on your screen right now walking into position. obviously he is alone, unattended. here comes the president of the united states. and here is the two gentlemen, let's watch the moment.
and just like that, history h been made. we have anderson cooper and jim clapper with us. the men speaking with i guess who is anticipated to be their translator. >> it does to me. and i have concern about engaging people through translators. huge cultural differences. my own experience and trying to engage the man or woman that you are dealing with through a translator, it is not the same as real estate in new york. >> we do hear them speaking to ch other. do we know if kim jong-un speaks english. i am assuming president trump isn't speaking korean. >> i don't know if he speaks english or not. he may understand some from his experience in schooling in switzerland.
>> little surprise at the apparent warmth and the body language. is that something kim is used to culturally. >> probably not. not too manyorth korea do that. but the occasion called for it, i thought. and that's, you know, brief body language there, that is a good sign. >> anderson, to you. >> chris, here with christian amanpour and jim sciutto and ambassador yun. >> it was fascinating. and there was body language. obviously president trump didn't smile, at least not at the beginning. but kim jong-un did smile broadly as they were walking off and kim jong-un has had the old hug and arm tug when he was with
president moon jae-in. secretary of state pompeo said yesterday, for all the talks, for all the hopes, for everything, nobody can make the decisions except for the two people that will be in that room together and those are those two people. you have to remember that just a few months ago, it was all talk of war and bluster and fire and fury and destruction. and kim turned on a dime with his new year's speech. he sent his delegation to south korea. he sent his sister for what is called the peace olympics. and so he has actually been almost in the driving seat from the beginning and talk is better than war.
what did churchill say? >> you spent a lot of time meeting with north koreans over many years, what do you think is going to take place, how impot is this face to face in private? >> i think it is very important. and the day, the way they met -- >> let's listen in. >> mr. president, how do you feel -- >> i feel really great. going to have a great reception. and tremendous success, going to be tremendously successful and it is my honor and we will have a terrific relationship ahead.
again, here we are seeing the president of the united states and the leader of north korea kim jong-un. we saw the hand shake, and second moment armed only with their translators. we don't think there will be policy makers. a second press opportunity. the media is sent out of the meeting. jim clapper, the president says this is an honor. we are going to have a terrific relationship going forward. kim jong-un responds through his translator, that there were a lot of obstacles to get to this point. not easy to get here but we mad looking at the schedule of what we will do. we don't know if this face to face is going to be minutes or hours. what do you anticipate as the
dynamic in the room. >> so far so good. similar for in the press as in the oval office. the president, a similar pose. it is off to a good start. >> who leads this conversation at the table? what are the rules? >> well, i think the protocol is that kim jong-un who has been head of state longer i think is by definition, by protocol a senior. but i suspect that president trump will be leading the discussion. >> you had said earlier you were wary of only have translators and trying to get a read on specifically north koreans that way. why? >> it is one thing to gage the measure of someone who you are dealing in the same language and
same culture. and president trump's confidence about his ability to size people up is true in an american context. this is very different. the cultural norms for korea are different than ours and it is hard to read. you can't interpret body language and completeness in interpersonal communication when you have that barrier. and you want to have confidence in both translators that they are accurately rendering what you have said. >> who do you use as a tran translator in this instance, do you have somebody pulling double duty? >> you could. in my experience using translators, and i have done this a lot with koreans, translators will take notes, their rough short hand notes of
what their principal is saying and use their notes to convey the message in the other language. so there will be, i think, assemblance of note taking just by virtue of what translators do business. >> do you think it could be brief? or an hour or more or substance into seconds and thirds? >> i don't know. that is a good question. but whatever estimate you make you have to double it to allow for the translation. if you have an hour meeting, it is really 30 minutes. >> everything said twice. of course. did you ever think you would see this moment? >> absolutely not. i served in the mid-'80s and when i got to go to pyongyang, i never thought i would see this sight or the sight of kim
jong-un and president moon greeting each other at the dmz. >> what was said , president trump said how do you feel? this is great. this is an honor. and we will have a terrific relationship going forward. m jong-un was gracious and said there were a lot of obstacles on the way here but overcame all of them. the right thing to say at the right time. jim clapper, former director of national intelligence has been with the north koreans and negotiated with them. and has said he thought he would never see this moment. what was trump able to do that obama, bush, clinton, bush before him could not do? >> this had more to do with the north koreans than what we did. h koreans achieved whatever they thought they could
achieve in the way of nuclear deterrent so they could do this, not as sup applicants where they have been the inferior and we are the superiors. >> so let's head back to handers anderson cooper. you heard the president say he feels great and he is honored. things that the american president have never said before. >> knowing in the first minute about whether a deal could be reached. >> joined by christiane amanpour and will ripley and ambassador
yun. just in terms of legitimizing the korean regime, this is what kim jong-un and his fathe and his grandfather have been wishing for. is this broadcast live? >> i would be surprised if it is broadcast live. live events are rare. if there is a live signal, we would see it. an i haven't heard us talk about that. i was in north korea eight times last year. and every time i was president trump would tweet something about kim jong-un and it would seem in the brink of minutes we were war. president trump was talking about a phase two military option and yet here we are seeing this moment. the two shaking hands and president trump saying they are going to have a terrific relationship and frankly, i imagine they might hit it off
well. they were both born into wealth and privilege. president trump has implicated empathy and mixed that with insults and f rhetoric. i would love to be a fly in e room. >> i wouwant to bring in jeff z. are you hearing from the white house team? >> we are not hearing from the white house which is on island there, b i am tell you people back in washington and indeed here traveling with the president. watching this with eager anticipation. and the two leaders intentionally sat down because of a significant height difference. i am struck by, it was exactly
three months and three days. that president trump walked into that white house briefing room unannounced, a south korean delegation and saying we are going t have news tonight. and accepted kim jong-un invitation. most of his own advisers did not think it would happen. urged it to slow down and he said no. the question now i his engagement going forward. often talk about his attention span. does he have a long attention span to stay engaged on something in terms of details like this. this is a moment of chemistry and the, at least it looks by watching them of course that they are getting along fine. we know kim jong-un has studied donald trump. he has read "the art of the deal." getting here is the hard part. and this what we are seeing is
the easier part. what is going on behind the scenes which is the definition of denuclearization and verifying that. this is fwgoing to be important. let's keep a watch on the timing. kim jong-un announced he was going to leave shortly after the summit and the president also going to leave this evening. those two men obviously are in charge of their own schedules. so people are watching this without a script from the outside. which is not how it is. >> it is rare that you would have an event like this without months and months of preparation in terms of meetings and hammering out an agreement in advance. often a meeting like this is the after thought and just signing of papers. >> that is true. in general protocol, they sign
on to something that is negotiated. the fact of the matter is, it was three months and three days ago that this invitation was accepted. that kim jong-un made all of these steps. that he went to meet the south korean president, and the south korean pushed so hard. so there has been months in order to prepare. we understand that even as cia director, mike pompeo had the north korea briefed and was read up on everything that was going on. and so they have had a pretty decent amount of time. they both know what they want and we've all been discussing the merits or demerits of having the leaders meet now and this generation, this time, with this american leader and this north
korean president. there is a lot of touching, president trump touching his arm, kim jong-un touching the president's arm couple of different handshakes, the standing straight. i have seen the flags together. i heard the north korean fill harmonic play the national anthem. it was chilling. an immense amount of hope and we hope this is one of them that will last, have ripple effects and that their ministers and others can negotiate and hammer out major details. >> let's go to chris in new york. >> hope in the past but nothing like this. this is a moment that many thought would never happen in our lifetime.
yet there they are. a warm moment. and they went and we saw them sitting in chairs. jeff zeleny reports that was because of the height discrepancy. the president of the united states said this was an honor. they are going to have a terrific relationship. the leader of north korea said there have been obstacles but overcame all of them. now we anticipate the two leaders will be only by the people you see on the screen right now, the translators, no policy people. how long will it take. it will be hard for us to know because no reporting on the meeting specifically. let's get to jim clapper former head of the director of national intelligence here. first things first. we hear that dennis rodman, we have him on the show later on may have given kim's men "the
ha art of the deal," and he read it. >> i have been involving dennis rodman -- >> so jim clapper, you saw dennis rodman as relevant? >> i do. he is a unique person since he has a relationship with both kim jong-un and with donald trump and obviously has great rapport with kim jong-un who is a basketball fanatic himself. so i think there is potential here to engage dennis rodman in a serious way in promoting this relationship. >> so we just found out that the person with trump is the division chief at the state department for interpreting, his interpreter. that sounds like a heavy title. does that mean that person has more portfolio than just
language skills? >> perhaps. i hope the first criterion is expert fluency. that is most important to me than other hats that person wears. that person will be a witness to what went on and that is important. >> that is good to know. and you say the most important question that the president might ask is to say to kim jong-un tell me what you need so you don't have to have nuclear capabilities. >> to me, that would be the most important question to pose to kim jong-un. and first time in 70 years, north korea is a family own country. that we had opportunity to hear that question from the horse's mouth. to start the discussion with what is it north korea needs and what is it that kim jong-un
personally needs. >> if you don't know the answer to it, is what you get in response. you say when you were over there dealing with the north koreans, they were paranoid of bombers, what if kim answers the question and says i have requirements for you when it comes to military capabilities and maybe nuclear capabilities and then what? >> and the point here, chris, denuclearization can be a two-way street where this isn't just mandating to the north koreans. that couldpply to us they coul want anymore b-1, b-2, or b-52s landing. we have maintained for decades over both the republic of korea as well as japan.
>> you teed up the relevance of dennis rodman. good to see you again, my friend. can you hear me? >> how are you doing, guys? >> what does your hat say? >> what's my hat say? >> let's make america great again. >> got it. so you made your way to singapore how important is this to you? you talked about the proects for peace when we spoke several ye a did you think this moment would ever come? >> well, in my heart and soul, whenent to north korea, i was honored to be selected to go there and once went to north korea, iidn't really understand what the old situation was as far as being over there. and when i first met kim jong-un, i was more like, i didn't know what to expect. i didn't know who he was, or what he represented or if he was
someone important. i knew something was going on and once i got familiar wlture there, i got used to being there and i felt like i was at home. >> now you know both men. you've spent time with theth korean leader, and spent time with donald trump. how do you think the two men size up in terms of how they might get along? >> well, i think the fact that donald trump would understand the fact that north korean, the people of north korea have a heart, they have soul, chari and love each other. the fact that kim jong-un understands that. and i think president trump should understand the fact that the reason the marshalcts dennis rodman is the fact that he trusts me. and i gave him something for his birthday and i thought i couldn't pull this off.
i said to him the day beforis birthday, i said i am going to give you a present. i am going to bring a professionaltballo you. he said can you do that i said yes am. even though i didn't know if i couldn't. so i got a lot of people together. and it happened. and kim jong-un came to me, dennis, you know this is the first time someone has e kept their word me and my country and i looked at him and i got emotional and i said wait a minute, hold on. first time someone kept their word to your country. and he came to and appreciate the fact that -- trust worthy and that person is always hearing someone lying deceitful.
if president trump sees him emotional, as far as speaking to him. it doesn't have to be about war or the past, we move onto the future. i told people about kim jong-un, and he is all about the 21st century. he is trying to progress his country. and donald trump is going to do a great job and reach out and make sure our hands, america's hands always open. as americans we have let so many people around the world join us to be happy and one country, and that is theted states. and now, we have really put ourselves on the line to reach out to north korea and they have been so gracious to me, my family and the united states. so let's make this happen. if trump can pull t off,ore power to him. >> dennis, did kim reach out to you or his people reach out to you for insight into the other side? >> well, know, i have talked
to those guys for the last five years. >> which guys? >> i talked to kim jong-un and administration over there five years ago and he asked me five years ago. we sat down for lunch. and he said, hey, dennis, i would like to ask you three things, if you tell the president of the united states these three things, that i would be willing to talk to him. and this is a true story and i have my people who heard the conversation. things like if they could move the ships back from south korea, i would do what i have to do to listen. if you can do certain things, i would listen, my ears would be open. and i tried to do that with obama. and obama did not give me the time of day. i asked him, i said i have something to say from north korea and he brushed me off. and that didn't deter me. i still kept going back. kept going back. i showed my loyalty and my trust
to this country. i said to everybody, the door will say it. >> i remember you saying it. let me ask you something, does kim understand english? >> it is amazing, it is amazing, when you said though damn things, when i went back home, i got so many death threats. i got so many death threats. i was protecting everything. and i believe north korea and when i came home, i couldn't even go home. i couldn't even go home. i had to hide out for 30 days. i couldn't even go home. but i kept my head up high, brother. i knew things were going to change. i knew it. i was the only one. i never had no one to hear me. no one to see me. but i took those bullets, i took al of that. everybody came at me and i am still standing.
and today is a great day for everybody, singapore, china, a great day. >> it is a historic day. >> i'm so happy. >> you were saying years ago to me that you thought this would happen. i want you to be ready for another question, and you are emotional. you are an emotional guy. you feel deeply. why did you feel so strongly that you needed to make something happen for north korea? so many places you could have gone in the world that have, you know, a much easier path to peace to north korea. other practices of this despotic regime, but you chose north korea, why? >> well, i was naive when i went over there. and i didn't understand and expect all of the things when i
went over there. did you realize what you were doing when you went over there? i said no. i thought i was doing a charity event. i didn't know anything about north korea. i thought i was going to play basketball and meet the people and that was it. and it turned out to be bigger than i thought. seeing the people there and meeting the regime. and the whole marshals and everybody. i fell in love with the country from day one and i felt like, i guess i owe it to myself and the people around the world. i am not in this for no money. i never started this for no money. this isn't about dennis rodman being the greatest person in the wor world. no more hatred. >> you talk about speaking with kim jong-un. does he underd or speak
english? >> one thing about him, i always said about him, he is more like a big kid even though he is small. he is more like a big kid, but he loves to have a good time and i was seeing this morning that he was going around and taking selfies. this guy wants to be around the world. he wants to come to america and enjoy his life. he wants his people to enjoy his life. but the fact that he doesn't have the tools or maybe the politics of the whole meat that go is going to happen, i think this is going to change a lot. and i hope the fact that president trump can understand knowing that trump is trying to reach out. >> that is a big question. but let me get an answer to this. do you speaks or understands english? >> i think he understands pits
a -- bits and pieces. if you talk about basketball, that is what he wants to talk about. do you think he studied english. >> people know that kim jong-un is not a dumb man. he is trying to protect his people and trying to protect his honor and everything that has to do with his country. like i say, that is respect. nothing is going to happen overnight. >> 100%. >> it is going to take time. >> if kim jong-un and donald trump understand that and understand that if we sit there and have a comfortable relationship, smile, laugh and joke, great. it doesn't have to be war. and i know this meeting is going to be a great meeting. >> that is the hope. we'll see where it goes. it was a good start. handshake, body language. said the right things. it is all perfunctory.
you talk about the kim jong-un side and north korea side, did you hear from the white house at all today? >> well, yes, i did. but and a good about it, yes, donald trump reached out. he called, his secretary and she called me and said dennis, donald trump is so proud of you, and he thanks you a lot. and that means a lot. all of these years, i somehow had something to do with this north korea situation, but i don't want to take credit. i am so thankful to be here. i am glad this is happening, the world saw it, i saw it. and my kids saw it. i hope for the best. we don't need a miracle. we need the doors to be open and
start fresh and make this world a better place, baby, that's it. >> sometimes it takes a miracle. you are dealing with tough things on the table. i know you have had relationship. there is a lot of violence, a lot of negativity and it stems from your friend the ruler of north korea. this man is not all selfies and smiles. he is responsible for the deaths and hardships of a lot of people, how can you be sure he wants something better than what he is right now? >> as we know, the fact that you know, i'm not a politician, i am trying to fight the fact that i am on his side 24/7. he is a good friend to me. i don't see the politics of this whole situation. i don't want to see that. i want to see that to go away.
see us going along to have a handshake and a smile. have a glass of ice tea. talk friendly. i don't know anything about that. i want to bring that connection to us to north korea. that is force. everything else can be donald trump's hands and people in the white house hands. i am out of it. i am happy to be here and everyone in the world get emotional. he went out of the box and made this happen. i want to say one more thing before i leave. can i say one more thing? >> you can say whatever you want. go ahead. >> can i thank some people. >> don't get on a tour, but thank someone if you want to
thank. >> darren prince and vo. and all the guys thatent to north korea. i am thanking phil jackson, eddie vedder, and everybody supporting me. myidshey still with me all these years. all the things up and down and i want to thank everybody. and thanking these guys at pot coin. >> i see trump on the top and pot coin on the bottom. let me ask you is there any chance that you had a role, anybody reach out to you, whether it is the north koreans or americans may reach out to you as some type of resource as some part of this mix going forward? >> well, you know, like i said, that is not my job, i want to be
involved in the sports aspects. if they can use me in that direction, maybe hav some common sense in what i going on in north korea. if trump wants to ask me about certain things, he will probably re out today. but if you wants to ask me one-on-one, he can do it. this is the world's day. it is not my day. i came to see it face to face. thank you guys for having me on. i am going to do more important things in the world. >> dennis, good to see you. and i am glad that you are well. i know you are on your own journey. stay happy, stay healthy. good to see you, dennis rodman,
in singapore. thank you. >>nk you, brother. all right, brother. >> jim clapper, looking at the moments earlier, it is bizarre to say the least, here i am with former director of the government, and dennis rodman, always known as the worm for how he played basketball. he is our best resource at this point for understanding the minds of the two men, especially kim jong-un. >> i agree, chris. >> as weird as that is to say. >> they made a movie about that and it is still weird. >> this whole thing is unconventional. and i saw a dennis rodman that i have never seen before. and you drew that out of him. a lot more depth there than meets the eye.
>> you have been around a lot of bad people in your life, on the leadership level. i am not talking about american politics, i am talking about killers. for dennis, and i have been with him a number of times now, he believes that two things can be true at once. that kim jong-un is good to him, and has a good heart but that what he calls politics, he is talking about a murderous regime, can two things exist like that at the same time? >> yes they can. he made a good point. although he dismissed as politicals, the brutality of the regime. he have had dealings with a brutal regime in the past. i think dennis's point about
let's focus on now and the future is a good one. >> except you do have to have eyes wide open with who you are dealing with. >> and i hope someone in this summit meeting that the subject of human rights abuses is brought up. >> and that is really the big topic on the table. let's talk about that. this is not within dennis rodman's portfolio. it was coincidental to say the least that he was saying four years ago that he thought something like this was happhappening if somebody woulde it a chance. obama administration was not open to it but this administration was. and human rights matter. you cannot deal with a country if they are not going to change their practices on fundamental leader and does that have to be on the table in this meeting? >> it does. and i think there is, perhaps
and i may be criticized for this, but probably a priority order and i think the first order of business is to get our arms around some sort of path ahead on denuclearization. and that should not be to the exclusion of these other considerations and normally human rights conditions. so what we are about here is trying to make the north koreans alter their behavior profoundly, with respect to what they now view as security and their long established practices of brutality and suppression of their people. >> thank you so much for helping us understand the history unfolding before our eyes right now. >> great to watch the history with you. >> this is a moment many thought would never happen. much more for you. you are looking at earlier moments, those two men, the leader of north korean and the
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welcome back. we are all living a piece of history. president trump and kim jong-un are in a room right now just with interpreters. the fate of peace in the region the table. it is heady people. let's bring in. i cannot believe there is any disgr disagreement that we are living a moment that people on both sides never thought would happen. true? >> true. >> and this part is true too, the person who knows both men
best is dennis rodman. he is, rick santorum, he said to me a few years ago, he knows he was wrong about kim and the politics and the municiphuman r he knows he was out of his depth on that. but he said this guy wants to come into the 21st century, and wants a seat at the table and people laughed him off and here he is. what is your take? >> these are live pictures right now. hold on, rick. they were in there about how long do we -- what we anticipate now is a working launch and then a policy teames are going to take over in the real meet potatoes of policy considerations, diplomacy and
negotiating will begin. here they are, can't hear the president. we'll try to get you some transcripts about what he was saying there. now, the shouting questions, not responded to. somebody shouted to the north korean leader, will you give up your nuclear weapons? no response there as you can see on the screen. we see the men walking with their interpreters. the woman walking with the president of the united states is an interpreter. now we believe the two men are going to go and join a larger part of the red news here for a working luncheon and the policy begin. rick, you were about to say something that was going to be a little bit pessimistic i think. go ahead.
>> yeah, i'd like to be as optimistic as dennis rodman. i have to look at this through maybe a different lens. i look at this as really a failure opponent of the united states deterring someone from getting nuclear weapons or getting someone that would stop them. that leader has been elevated on the world stage. i'm not blaming donald trump. he has accepted the reality that we have to deal with the nuclear power that has the ability to blow up the united states. we can no longer ignore, isolate him, because that didn't work. the failure of the obama, bush, clinton, going back, of those admistrations now set a template for other countries to say, look, here's how you get your secure, you go ahead and you defy the international community. go ahead like iran is trying to do --
>> what's the alternative? >> to try to do something to stop them. >> like what? >> well, you know what can be done to stop them. the question is -- >> that's the point though, rick -- >> whether we have the will to do it. >> you have to be careful about language, it makes it sound like a macho contest. >> it's not a macho contest, it's a reality. >> right. the reason that was brushed away so quickly by the secretary of defense and dealt with by the same way as military experts up and down the board because there is no simple militarysituation, especially given the logistics on the korean peninsula. you have a ton of americans and sentence right within artillery range, let alone the heavier weapons that north korea have. military language, while it sound like that's the
alternative, is it really? >> no, of course it's also an alternative, but it is an alternative with such a high cost. i'm glad that there is an effort here at diplomacy. i do share rick's skepticism about what's going to come out this. it ise that kim jong-un has already won, in by getting the meeting. now the question is, if donald trump doesn't come out -- >> let me stop you for a second. this is the lunch, this is what we thought was going to happen, this is now confirmation. you see the north koreans on one side, the americans on the other. you see general kelly, circumstance of state po. the woman next to donald trump is the division chief of the state department of interpretation. let's listen to the president.
right now so the working lunch can continue. just to refresh if you're joining us now, you see kim jong-un on the left, you see the president of the united states with his team with him right now. they've had their handshake, they've had their face to face alone with interpreters now they're having their working lunch. we just heard the president and the north korean leader exchange niceties, once again saying we will work on things, we will get through, we will cooperate, we will negotiate, all the type of thing you imagine here. we have jim sciutto, there in singapore monitoring this. what to y make of the events so far? >> one tng notable about the one on one, at the end of the day they were across from each other just for about 45 minutes or so, as director clapper made, that's really 22 minutes of conversation, right with conversation. it doesn't seem possible during that length of time that they
had a sub tantive beyond meet and great getting to the nid di grid di conversation. the spoken diplomat were concerned would president trump go further than the allies are comfortable with, would he go further than his own -- it seemsless likely, now they're sitting there with their advisers. that's one point i would make in light of the length of e one on one meeting. still substantial about relationship building, no question. raises questions about to what degree of detail they could have gone in the meeting of that length. the other point i would make is this, kim jong-un, his father and grandfather have sought for decades, parity, respect with the world, specifically with the u.s. to be treated on a level,
and he has that, he got that. the handshake in front of the flag, side by side, the one on one. and remember what got him there, wasn't his charm, it was nuclear weapons, right? and that was why they sought them. in part for the survival, for the survival of their regime, but also for republican. their weapons got them there. that's one reason why the cia assessing and view that it's a high bar. they view it unlikely that they give up everything in light of what that got them. >> right now, jim the question is would they give up anything, right? the gamble opponent of the united states has always been clear, you have given to kim regime exactly what they wanted. the open question is, what will you get back. and you have a difficult balance with nukes and human rights and both are going to have to be addressed. there's a lot on the table, we
see the teams, jim sciutto, thank you very much. jim clapper, rick, and jennifer grant home thanks for being with us and helping us get through this. we'll be back with midnight eastern with a special live two-hour special of cuomo to continue. we have nonstop of the coverage that continues right now with don lemon, cnn tonight. don. thank you very much, chris. it's been surreal to watch that interview with dennis rodman and watch the two leaders, president trump and kim jong-un meet there. this is our breaking coverage now. the two presidents meeting face to face in singapore. thanks for joining us, i'm don lemon. this is the moment seen around the world here. a moment a lot of americans and allies never thought would come. the president of the united states shaking