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factual, feeling, what is right and what is i don't think we're never going to get anywhere. that's all for us. "cnn tonight" with don lemon, the man. you said it. people have been saying, why haven't he said the man. >> because you never responded, you just get on with your show so i didn't say it for a while. >> you're exactly right about what about about at&t and in court, the judge says even if they appeal this it would be unmanifest and unjust. it was basically saying they really had no case in court, chris. i think you're exactly right. great show my friend as usual. >> always a pleasure. >> yep, see you soon. cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. now what? trump on his way -- no more
rocket launches, nuclear testing or research. the hostages are back home with their families. thank to chairman kim, our date togetherhistoric. butthe deal he's bringiack withhim? suret was a photo op for the ages, something no other president chose to do. but talking face to face that is ber than threatening. it's a lot better than the days of fire and fury, little rocket man in -- but will kim jong-un evere up his weapons, that's the question. >> i may be wrong, i may stand before you in six months and say, hey, i was wrong, i don't know that i'll ever admit that but i'll find some kind of an excuse. >> so, his words not mine. is there any surprise that the president who thinks of himself above all a show man, with pictures message with a movie, trailer-style video, one created
by the national secure counsel. >> two leaders. one destiny. a story about a special moment in time, when a man is presented with one chance that may never be repeated. what will he chose? to show vision, leadership, or not? >> can you say propaganda? and what about all trump's praise for kim? is that just for ar of the deal. listen. >> he's got a great personality, funny guy, smart guy, great negotiate. he loves his people -- >> so the president neglected the mention there that kim jong-un rules the most oppressive state. he enslaves and starves millions of koreans. should the president believe him? is it the north korean leader
who really knows the art of the deal? let's bring in dana bash. max butte, and scott jennings. good evening to all of you. welcome to the program. dana. y , you firs /* /- -- dana, you first, the president says he's willing to invite kim to the white house. would that be premature? >> definitely. there's a lot of roads to travel before that should be a possibility. i've spoken to three people throughout the day today who received phone calls from the president on air force one and he sounded yew for-rick about the way he thoughthemit went. about the fact that he did something no other president has ever done. if you sort of cut through the very important diplomatic situation here, the geopolitical
decision that he's going to have to make, he likes to do something that no one else cod do. now, at this point, that something is just having a meeting, shakihands, putting flags next to one another which is something that got a lot of attention and criticism. and the question now basically going forward is going to be, how to turn that and the way that the president is trying to kill this dictator with kindness, whether or not that is going to be turned into real negotiations, a real potential deal to do ultimately what the president and really everybody else on the globe wants, which is to denuclearize the korean peninsula and to force kim to get rid of those nuclear weapons, still a very very big question mark, because he didn't walk away with any verification that that is even possible. >> so, scott listen, let's be honest. the agreement is very short
here, there's no verification or timetable. one thing we see is the president's praise on watch this. >> he's a very talented man. he is very talented. he's got a great personality. he's a funny guy. smart guy. great negotiator. he love his people. his country love him, his people. >> scott, is he forgetting the people that don't favor kim, get thrown into goo logs and they're killed, is he going overboard? >> i don't think president trump knows a ton about the history of north korea or exactly what's going on there, it's not his oefbts. his objective here is to sell. this is the way he treats everything. in some cases it works, some
cases it doesn't. i'm not surprised. at the end of the day this whole thing hinges on verification. if he thinks he struck a deal with kim, a personal core which kim will allow for verification then we'll get somewhere. if we never get verification we have to partner to be disappointed. i think the fact we've stepped back from the brink of nuclear war, where we were this lime last year is a positive step. i'm happy for the president that he's happy, and i hope that his attempt to sell kim the way he'd like to be sold, that's how i saw the movie, works on the guy who clearly was feeling the pressure. >> okay, max, i have other dictators -- let's put that on ho and talkut what scott said. at least we're off the brink of nuclear war. wasn't it the president's rhetoric in the first place that put us in that? i'm wondering did you need to
have this summit in order to get what these two people got? this short little letter that basically said, it's number three, the whole crux this, it says reafrming the april 27th, 2018, decoration, the dp ark commit to work toward the denukeuation of the korean peninsula. thatided back in april, that's what they've been working for all along. do they need to do this, max? >> no. i think your right, do part of the reason we were on the brink of nuclear war, because of the the nuclear missileest and also the rhetoric from donald trump ranching up the tensions. what's striking to me about the sum is how little donald trump got in return for legit mating kim jong-un on the world stage. for treating this leader as
equal of the president of the united states, for discudiscuss u.s./north korean mary exercises -- it sounded like donald trump wanted to i kim to. in return for all of that, what does he get? nothing except the evenly bladder you quoted about working towards the complete denuclearizatiion and korean peninsula which is the north koreans have been saying since 1992. i could see i'm working toward beating -- >> this is what i said, he's called -- he called him a fantastic guy. putin was a better leader than obama. irwhine gave h credit for how he dpsh and duterte in the
philippines describes thisconve. having set that up, dana, this is possibly a double standard whether you look at what fox news and how conservatives slammed obama for his willingness to talk to dictators. watch this. >> would you as p m with a leader of a country like north korea? obama said i'd meet with him. >> senator obama made hi intentions clear on the campaign trail. >> i will meet not obviously with friend but enemies. >> president obama likes to talk with madmen. >> i'm going to reach out to these crazy people around the world and t to get thing done. >> obama is bowing and scraping before dictators. >> so, if you open the dictionary to the word hypocrisy does that video play, dana? >> loudly and proudly it plays.
impeachment orders would be written if the republicans were in charge doing the same thing. there is rightly so a bipartisan feelt that a diplomatic conversn is the right way to go. now, as mac wx was saying, whet or not he wen way over his keys is a different conversation. you have peep like marco rubio today saying he is appalled at the language donald trump used about this dictator given the way he tortures and starves his own people. he kills his own family members, executes them when they don't do what he wants. he's following in the steps of his fathe and grandfather. this is flatly better than the
alternative, which is a horrdous war. >> i said that in the opening, dana -- >> exactly. and you're totally right. exactly, it's like how you talk to your kid rk i'd talk to my almost 7-year-old, just because somebody said this been you didn't make it right for you to i think that's the case right now -- >> i don't think we should fall to the trap by saying the only alternatives are nuclear war or the kind of diplomacy that donald trump is conducts where he's making a lot of concess and not getting anything back. i'm all about engaging in north korea but do it firmly. i don't think you law the dictatorship of -- >> we can keep doing what we were doing and that was not working. i think the president has dealt with kim -- >> i think your right.
answer this for me, scott. continue to do what we were doing, okay fine. you said that didn't work, all right i'll grant you that. but when that wasn't working the former president was being criticized by your party for wanting to talk to kim jong-un and wanting to talk to dictators. how is that not hypocrisy? what is different now? please explain that. >> i'll give you one thing about obama that republicanss believed, he -- dread line on syria for instance. >> that's not what they said it was a lot of criticism there. >> that's the point, it's fine to talk to people if you have the resolve to use military force -- >> trump has not -- >> that's not what they said scott in those videos, they said he -- >> that's what i'm saying. you asked me what i'm saying. >> okay. >> it is true that republi
said what they said across the board, both conservative commentators and members of congress, fox news. the one person who has been consistent is donald trump. he told wolfe blitzer more than ten years augnot badng to try te out the north korea situation by sitting down with him. the other thing to max's point there's a third way. of course there is. doing what donald tr did going so overboard and lavishing praise is not necessarily the way to go wen you're the president of the united states. that is the w he is, that is the way he tries to get a deal, always has been and feels he think he can it he's g up the moral leadership. >> max i'll give you the last word. but i just want scott to know, listen, dana's right. the president has always said what he said when talking about
dictators. i'm talking be fox news and others when saying this president shouldn't talk to dictators, what's wrong with him. all i'm asking is is that hypocrisy? max. >> you're absolutely right don, if this was hillary clinton or backup was showering praise on kim jong-un not get anything in return. yore right. if obama ner said remotely anything like what trump has said to kim jong-un in dealing with iran and other countries. the iran/nuclear deal was a million times stronger than what he gotten so far out of north korea. maybe it's time for republicans to apologize to president obama. >> mac, scott, dana, love the conversation. see you soon. back from singapore clapping
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way back from singaporism are the celebrities on the left playing right into the president's hands. let's discuss now with the panel. so, good evening gentlemen to both of you. thank you so much for joining us. mark, let me get your take on the north korea sum. how did the deal maker and chief do? how'd they do? >> i think it's a big win. obviously there's a lot of questions and follow up that needs to happen but the meeting happened. that was the most important thing. ere it goes we'll judge it . later. i think it's a big win for trump on the world stage. >> do you agree with that? >> i think it's premature. to be too negative right now is not the great way to go. he just legitimized one of the
worlds's ruthless leaders on the world stage and we're not sure what we got out of it, we'll see. but to call it a big win now, premature. >> and we'll see, not to be negative. i'm looking at the agreement they came up with. >> didn't take long to read it. >> no. number three says it all, reaffirming the april 2017/2018, the dpra works towards the denuclearizatiion of the korean peninsula. they've been saying that since the 1990s. did you need a summit to get to this point when it was already what we were working towards before the summit? >> no, i share your skepticism. there was nothing said to believe that we're on the brink of a new era. >> let's hope. so, mark, here at home the president has been under attack from the celebrity class.
this is a clip from some of the things coming from celebrities about trump and his family. watch this. >> i'm going to say one thing, [ bleep ] trump. >> you know ivanka that's a beautiful photo of you and your child but let me just say, one mother to another, do something about your dad's immigration practices you [ bleep ]. >> i feel like the bottom has to fall out at some upon and by the way i'm hoping for you. one way you get rid of trump is a crashing economy. bring on the recession. sorry if that her people, it's either root for recession or you lose your democracy. >> mark here's how you tweeted today, hollywood says f trump. hopes for a recession to get rid of trump. that's all you got? do you have anylue how this plays right into trump's play book. keep it up and you'll help to ensure four more years.
i can't say that i disagree with you on that, mark. >> well, i look at it as a strategist and pull the lens back. this is the attack on donald trump, they have no idea. you have someone advocating for a recession, which would hurt poor people more than anybody. they hate tru so much they want to her their own consti as an ad maker i can see the ads right now. they're going to quote bill marr, and say democrats hate trump so much, and they want to go through a recession to hurt people like you and your neighbors. that's some tuff stuff. you're in an argue with somebody and out of exasperation and frustration you say, f you and that's all you got.
to me it says its completely out of gas. if that's where a campaign is going to add,s a big problem. >> item sure people will say, they can say whatever they want, yes, they can. but mark's point, which i think is correct, it's all about strategy and being strategic, thislays into trump's hands. >> right. if you think donald trump is hurtful to this country, and i happen to think that, channel your -- don't just stand there on the stage and shout ex pk tifrs. mark is 1,000% right on this, the whole point is to show americans a better alternative. when you do what the did you are stooping to trump's level. you're showing people that you can be just as gross as the president, just as mean. what have you accomplished with that. >> here's case and point with you. denear roe. trump tweeted by
he said robert denear rojas received too many blows to the head. and many companies pouring back into our country, wake up punchy. >> okay, where are we, we're in the sand box with two men throwing sand at each other. what are we not talking about at that same ceremony, the parkland students were there, they're trying to do something constructive for the country, those headlines were stolen by rob city near roe shouting profanity at the president of the united states. >> so, mark, robert de niro spoke in torontoyester watch this. >> i just want to make a note of apology for the i had yosk behavior of my president.
it's a disgrace.and i apologize trudeau and the other people in the g7. it's disgusting. >> so, listen mark, a lot of people have said this why not an actor? >> certainly they can, we got the first amendment here. the point that i'm making is a str strategic one, what helps your cause. robert de niro has hug platform, i would have loved to hear a thoughtful response to trump and his ideas and what's working and what's not. that would have been constructive to talk about where it's going. and show us a better way rather than critique the president and call names. it just descends into the sand box, like frank said. i think it's wasted
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primary results can coming in. frank, among the primaries tonight the one that stands out is mark sanders, because he had been critical -- mark sanford -- he's been critical of president trump. tonight, just three hours before the election the president tweeted, mark sanford has been helpful to me and my campaign, he's been cia and nothing but trouble. he's better on in ar generality so, is this what happens when
you go up against the president? >> sure. what's interesting about this, what did he accomplish by doing it several hours in advance. he got something out of his system, he satisfied his emotions. he just got something off h chest. >> red flags for republicans tonight in virginia, mark, because so far, cory stewart he won the republican nomination, he's going to face democratic senator tim cane. stewart has been criticized for functioning with white nationalist. >> we've seen lots ofhat in different races around the country. i think we've seen the blue wave may turn into ripple given the dynamics that's happening. it's interesting on the sanford front, i know him pretty well,
he's paying for his independence tonight. this is more evidence that the trump has completely taken over the republican party. now, you abo historical, what does republican party mean? it means much different thing to people who were attracted to compassionate and conservatorism of george bush. if you are in a republican party today it's trump's party. you wonder why republican and congressmen don't take on trump, exhibit a tonight. >> this is by hit romney, he said i think president trump will be renominated by my pear easily and i think he will be reelected. big dollar don narrows at a recreate and deep valley utah. not just because of a strong economy, but i think it's also true because i think our democratic friends -- or our democratic friends -- i don't want to get that wrong --
president president's likely to nominate someone out of stream and american thought and make it easier for president whose residing over an economy. >> two-and-a-half years ago when donald trump was running for president mitt romney got out ahead of others and stated why donald trump is so dangerous. mitt romney is now running for office and doesn't want to be -- with donald trump. so, mark is correct. >> okay, is there a democrat who can go up and beat trump at this point? >> i think there are more than a dozen of them. whether the right one will be nominated, w won't know how strong people are until they go through a primary and we see them on a international
campaign. >> mark, i want to hear it, do you think there's a democrat that can go up against the president and win? >> i have a different version, i think the democrats -- what that means is that a republican establishment-type will run maybe as a dream tick with a democrat as a vp because there's a huge opening there. when we come back, the breaking news about attorney general rod rosenstein, set to brief president trump on the ip report before it comes public. more about that, next. do not misjudge quiet tranquility for the power of 335 turbo-charged horses. the lincoln mkx, more horsepower than the lexus rx350. and a quiet interior from which to admire them. for a limited time, get 0% apr on the lincoln mkx plus get $1,000 bonus cash.
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president trump getting a briefing thursday on a highly anticipated report from the justice department and inspector general. laura joins me with all the details. this briefing comes on wednesday from the department attorney general on the ig report on thursday ihould say. wha what can you tell us about it? >> don, this is sort of eye brow raising. the president has been hotly aping this report, tweeting about it every now and then
saying its been delayed, suggesting it's been watered down. i have learned this evening that deputy attorney general rod rosenstein will release the president on thursday before the statement is released. i got a statement from a spokesperson who noted this has been done in the past andrew the obama administration. he goes on to say, no changes are made to the oig's report on account of these briefings. so, clearly the office is mindful of what the president has been tweeting, don. >> apparently there's an elselating war, laura between devin nunes and rosenstein. talk to me about that. >> yeah, this battle is getting uglier by the day. this latest f between rosenstein and the staff on the house intel committee a goes back to a heated meeting in january of this year right on the heels of the house intel
committee, chairman devin nunes who start threatening rod rosenstein for fairlure to turn over documents from the russian investigation. rosenstein threatened house intel in the room for criminal investigation for their own conduct. two sources tell me that is false. rosenston says if you hole me in content i'll be able to defend myself. >> laura jarrett with the news tonight. thank for that. >>t was a critical point in the election, the president should be briefed on it, i'm not bothered by that at all. remember, don, donald trump just days before the election wanted to throw a parade for jim comey for reopening the investigation. now, to suggest that he's
offended by the way he handled it. what i'm more upset about is the president refuses to be briefed on what the russians did in 2016 in the election and what they're willing to do in 20 he's obsessed with comey, because tha about him. but he's not obsessed about us and our democracy and what it takes to defend that. >> i don't think that's going to happen. >> no. >> reporting that devin nunes and the attorney general whose investigation is in a fight, they're in a fight. i know you can't disclose everything because of the position that you hold, but what can you tell us about their relationship? what went wrong? >> devin nunes saw his job as not conducting oversight or protecting the battle box or protecting thepresident.that wa saw that behind the scene and in public. i think mr. rosenstein is concerned that you have a member of congress trying to reach into
the fbi evidence locker and give that evidence to subjects of the investigation. that's very dangerous for the rule of law and our country. some point he has to say no. we don't do that in america and we're not going to let you do that for this president. >> so, everything you foe about the deputy attorney general, would he threaten staff? >> i don't think so, don. i was a prosecutor, and i think most prosecutors, you know, they go above a beyond to follow the law and meet the highest standards of the law to prove their case. we were always told when we were trying, you wear the white hat and d the right thing. i can't see them saying that, but i can see because i have with my own eyes, chairman nunes obstructing and preventing rousing stein for doing what he has to do to allow mul tore complete his job. >> so, you wouldn't see that the
puty deputy ag would do it? >> that's not the character -- >> so, do you think the has been cooperate. >> -- /* -- too corporate. >> too corporate? >> yeah. devin nunes is not interested in learning -- there's been reports he doesn't read what's been turned over. he wants rosenstein to say no so he can undermined him. >> even when you western on the show you were standing with congress saying nunes should have been off the house intelligence committee russia investigation a long time ago. why is he able to do that when the house investigation is essentially closed as
republicans are concerned? >> paul ryan won't stand up to him. he appointed him, he can take him off the commi >> why won't he stand up to him? >> i think he's afraid of donald ump. theame reaso mark stanfo afraid of donald trump, because trump wins. when you go against trump he wins and democracy loses. you woun't believe the number of times uh-huh saw mr. shift say to the runs, wepublicans, w don't we justmeet. not once did they take them up on it. >> so surgical you remember when the president's attorney was his new attorney? >> which one? >> rudy giuliani. watch this. >> if mueller said to me tomorrow, bring him in two hours like you want, no questions that you don't want and we're pretty much ready to clear him. i could not go to the president
of the united states and say, take two days off and get ready for that and screw the whole thing with north korea. how can any american do that? >> okay, there's two thing, number one, summit's over. the investigation still going on. number two, the president admitted as much that he didn't really prepare. i've been preparing for this with all my life, i'm going with my gut and how i feel. so, what gives here? >> he didn't prepare, he saw this as a match.com date without any rep cushion. >> so what does that mean was rudy giuliani lying? >> sit in the chair -- whether you tamper with witnesses, whether you lie, when you on struck and when you're not willing tosy in the chair when you've already been given the questions, yeah, that's going to take a little while. >> thank you sir. when we come back a federal judge approves at&t's
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favor of at&t's merging with timewarner. the judge said, your case is so weak don't even try to appeal. let's discuss. good evening, a lot to talk >> the court's resnding argument this was a case that was baseless, political in its motivation and should have never been brought in the first place. we mentioned time warner is cnn's parent keim. but the president's animosity towards cnn is that the basis for the suit in the first place? >> even though the judge didn't let it come up in court, you can see h hinting at it today when he says hey, justice department don't come and ask me for a
stay, don't delay any further. he is saying it's over, it's done. at&t and time warner can get together. and assuming there's no radical surprise, radical action this week, this company will merge next week. >> i want to remind our viewers of what the president said before and after the election about the at&t time warner merger. here it is. >> at&t is buying time warner and thus cnn, a deal we will not approve in my administration because it's too much concentration of power in the hands of too few. personally i've always felt that was a deal that's not good for the country. i think your pricing's going to go up. i don't think it's a good deal for the country.
>> renato, come on, was this always political? >> i would think so. and one thing that surprises me is the just department brought this case using a very, very aggressive unual argument in challenging this merger. and typically republican administrations are not very aggressive in anti-trust enforcement. there are years -- i practiced anti-trust law for many years, so those are years the justice department is less aggressive. so why are they targeting this me while in another context like sinclair they're being per missive? >> he not only ruled in favor of at&t, but also told the government not to request a stay as brian mentioned or appeal. how unusual is that, what does that say to you and then i'll get brian to weigh in. >> sure, what it says is the judge does not want the government to effectively deny this merger. a lot of times when the government decides to oppose a mergeres just throw up
their hands and admit defeat because they don't want to deal with delay. the judge is tng them do not use this as a way to blow up the deal. >> do you think they will or could? >> i think they could, but the just department i know wouldn't do it. >> if it is politically motivated which most people think and it seems like the judge may be going that way, it stopped them from doing a stay in anyway in killing the deal. >> they can certainly try, but it it's notable the anti-trust team did not immediately appeal today, saying he's going to consider his next steps. maybe we'll hear from him tomorrow. it's sad when this deal was announced back in october 2016 when trump run he didn't see any problems with this deal. it was o an trump was elected and appointed anti-trust boss he suddenly saw serious problems. now, you could say he was talking to his career officials at the doj, they're the ones that wanted to sue.
we don't know exactly what went on behind the scenes. but i hop we will find out more what went on behind the scenes and whether there was political interference. right now there's a lot of smoke but no fire. but the smoke is important because it undermines the faith in the system. but the judiciary spoke up against about the executive branch. >> i'm wondering how much this judge's warning would have any play -- would it have any standing on a appeals court judge? >> you have 170-something page very well reasoned decision. i think a court of appeals would like very poorly on a justice department appealing this. you'd have tee knoin the justice department you have almost no chance of winning an appeal. >> judge leon said he hopes the government, and this is a quote, has the wisdom and the courage not to seek a stay. and we should say the judge was
appointed by president george w. >> right, a republican appointee. then at&t will bring these companies together. that means this time next week cnn and others will be owned by at&t. and we're going to see a lot of other companies trying to do deals as well. calm cast. is domino effect, an first domino happened today, and a lot of people were waiting to hear what the judge would decide. >> never a dull moment. everyone. thank you. i appreciate it. when we come the video the president used to pitch kim jong-un on peace. is it persuasion or propaganda? ♪ ♪ don't juggle your home life and work life without it. business financing to help grow your business. another way we have your back.
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this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. getting close to 11:00 p.m. here on the east coast. just a couple seconds away. we're live with all the new developments. president trump on his way back from the summit in singapore. but what about the deal he's bringing back with him? sure it was a photo-opfor the ages. yes, talking face-to-face is better. but will kim jong-un ever really president trump doesn't ns? seem 100% certain what all this will amount to. >> i may be wrong. i may stand before you in six months and say, hey, i was wrong. i don't know i'll ever admit that, but i'll find some kind of an excuse. >> and is it any surprise that the president who thinks of himself above all, a showman, would pitch his message with a movie trailer-style video, one created by the national security council? >> two leaders, one