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this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. getting close to 11:00 p.m. here on the east coast. just a couple seconds away. we're live with all the new developments. president trump on his way back from the summit in singapore. but what about the deal he's bringing back with him? sure it was a photo-opfor the ages. yes, talking face-to-face is better. but will kim jong-un ever really president trump doesn't ns? seem 100% certain what all this will amount to. >> i may be wrong. i may stand before you in six months and say, hey, i was wrong. i don't know i'll ever admit that, but i'll find some kind of an excuse. >> and is it any surprise that the president who thinks of himself above all, a showman, would pitch his message with a movie trailer-style video, one created by the national security council? >> two leaders, one destiny. a story about a special moment
in time, when a man is presented with one chance that may never be repeated. what will he choose? to show vision and leadership? or not? >> let's bring in now republican strategist our cnn political analyst ryan lizza, and propaganda expert. so glad to have all of you on. kevin, since you're the propaganda expert here, let's talk to you first. what's your reaction to the this pitch to north korea? is it propaganda or smart persuasion maybe? >> it was strange to be honest. i've never seen anything like this in a diplomatic setting. and i can't tell whether the president is crazy or crazy like a fox. this film was really something because the whole thing seemed to be playing on the vanity of kim jong-un. i mean, it emphasized that there
are very few world historical actors amongst the billions of people who are this earth, and that he had a to make a choice to make himself a man of history. it dangled this beautiful vision of what his country could become. again, i've never seen anything like this. and yeah, it was clearly propaganda aimed at sppersuadin the north korean dictator. >> i think the question is did it work? before you answer that, let's play a bit more. >> a new world can begin today. one of friendship, respect and good will. be part of that world, where the doors of opportunity are ready to be opened, investment from around the world, where you can have medicalthroughs, an of re innovative technology and new discoveries. what if? can history be changed? will the world embrace this
change, and when could this moment in history begin? comes . on this day in this time at this moment, the world will be watching, listening, anticipating, hoping. will this leader choose to advance his country and be part of a new world, be the hero of his people? will he shake the hand of peace and enjoy prosperity like he has never seen? a great life or more isolation? which path will be chosen? >> so i'll take the boat and the water slide. my goodness, that just seems odd. is this ever played at a summit? have you ever heard of that? >> i haven't. but i think everybody's missing the big story. because i think the president
said he played this as a cassetten his ipad. the truth of the matter is you have to separate the video from the narrative or the execution from the narrative. the narrative of what he'sone and this whole thing actually what he didwise he didn't do like we did in iran and basically say you slow down your nuclear process and we'll give you all sorts of money. he played to the arrogance to some degree, the insecurities -- >> the vanity. >> the vanity of the north korea leader and said, look, this is moments in history. you can make your mark, you can make your destiny. if it was the two of them sitting there, if i was advising the president and he had called me, and i looked twice, he did not this afternoon, i would advise him not to make it public. because then it goes to a pr campaign if you want to make it public. >> you've got two voices on either side of this. was this smart? maybe it was. i don't know. >> i mean, look, i think it was
strange. and i think the power of a propaganda video like that is extremely overrated. and if the president believes that a video like that could persuade the leader of north korea to make a fundamental decision about whether he needs nuclear weapons for his regime to survive or not, i think that's worrying. look, i think on the plus side of this summit we ratcheted down the really, really frightening rhetoric of a year ago when it seemed like we were -- we were closer to, you know, hostilities than ever before with north korea since the war. on the down side, though, it doesn't seem like this summit was well thought out in terms of what we were gaining while giving up quite a bit. you can't get back whate gave.
no american president for a reason gave kim or his predecessors this kind of world stage to be on par with an american president. >> you're giving the big picture, but can i stick to this video? it was absurd. >> yeah, like in a world gone bad where only kim jung -- >> people are saying, you know, president bush would have bama done it. why doesn't everybody understand it's never going to happen that way? this is different time with a different style by the president -- >> maybe that's what they're saying. that's not what i'm saying. i'm just questioning someone who's the leader of the free world and to have staffers -- this was produced by staffers on the national security council, the nsc very high lev group, include people like the chairman of the joint chiefs, defense secretary mattis and others when
appropriate. so i'm just surprised that people of this stature would produce something that is so ridiculous. >> well, but again -- >> even if it wa done the staffers -- >> you would have to sit there and say despite all the nontraditional ways donald trump does things, he did get north korea to the table. >> i'm not saying donald trump did this. i'm saying the staffers -- >> but, don, getting norea tohe tables i was going to say very proud of this. >> aren't they smarter than that? >> first of all, they're not the boss. so let's put this in perspective as well. that video would not have appeared in public if donald trump would not want it to be public. >> go ahead, ryan. >> like anyone else we all hope -- look, it's always bter to talk. it's better these guys are talking than what was going on last year. and everyone has to hope this leads to some kind of bre
breakthrough. but i don't see how -- it seemsd more than anything else was ts video. we didn't have any tangible gains in this meeting. i mean, we -- kim agreeo the denuclearization of the korean peninsula something he first agreed to or his predecessors agreed to in 1992. so the idea it seems like from all what's been public the most preparation at this summit, more work went into a video to show him than anything else. and if that's our whole strategy we're in some trouble. >> all right, so but maybe -- look, it could have been smart. kim jong-un's father a movie buff. and as we know he loves pop culture. this movie-style video could actually be effective in winning over kim. what do you think? because i would move to that
place. it looked beautiful to me. >> the horses running on the water, that did look kind of nice. yeah, it's hard to say because kim is a black box. iean there's so little intelligence on how this guy thinks. he's been brought up in this bizarre a world, who knows if he's going to be the least bit persuaded by this or if he's just going to turn around and pump donald trump. the thing i thought odd other it wasn't just focusing on that denuclearization, it was talking about complete westernization of north korea. and i think if history's shown anything is that very rarely do communist dictatorsralize, open up for nts, start ding hotels and, you know, gently let go of power. they tend not to do that. and kim himself, he's living
pretty large. if he wants cognac, video, dennis rodman to come he gets it. it's not clear how much he'd gain other than the image of historical actor. >> wasn't it to make the point this is generational shift for ? and we do have somebody who is an nba fan. in fact, this video sounded like something the chicago bulls would come out today. >> one of friendship, respect and good will. be part of that world where the doors of opportunity are ready stment from around the world where you can have medical breakthroughs and an abundance of resources. >> it looked like the leftovers on a room floor for a trump university. it was like a multilevel marketing scam or something. join the program, this is what you get. look, if we take it seriously, right, if this is what trump presented to kim rather than a
sort of clear detailed piece of writing or letter saying, do x, y and z and you will get a, b, and c, i mean what is he saying in that video? he's basically saying choose this path else. that'stl the or not so subtle message to that. >> all of that is not part of the dictatorship. because there's so many people starving in north korea. >> video itself uses images from the propaganda arm of the regime. >> just take a listen real quick to what president trump said about north korea after the summit. >> they have great beaches. you see that whenever they're exploding their canons into the ocean. i said wouldn't that make a great condo. i said inste of doing that you could have the best hotels in the world. think o it from a real estate
perspective. >> beach condos, maybe to john's point, maybe that is priority for kim. i don't know. >> i mean -- look, it's absurd, right, the american president talking about beaches and condos, but to give him a very big benefit of the doubt, what he's saying he is trying to make this case that opening up the to the world will be beneficial to north korea, right? he's trying to make the case that he has a decision to make here. you know, truly go down the path of denuclearization and it will bring a lot of benefits to his regime. >> i just wondered if you guys got a dvd of dinettics you'd know what i'm talking a myext guest says president trump was outfoxed by kim jong-un. discover card.
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promised what it's promised regularly since way back in 1992 which is denuclearization. there's a reason they use that word and not disarmament. denuclearization to them means it starts with the u.s. cutting off south korea from its alliance. and so north korea gave up anything, and, you know, we gave out securities guarantees to north korea. we provided the summit itself and lavish praise to kim jong-un, and we canceled military exercises which are a substantial thing. >> so we gave up a lot. so how is this different? how does this -- i don't know if you call it an agreement -- >> joint statement. >> how does it compare to other failed agreement from past administrations? >> well, first, i t it's worth pointing out even if an agreement doesn't lead to eliminating nuclear weapons it can still be worthwhile. so like i agreed framework, it failed in the end
in 2002. but for eight years it did prevent development of new plutonium weapons. but this -- this is far below the standard reach in the past. for example, in 1994 there were international inspectors who were on site on the yangan military complex in north korea. in 2005 north korea promised to rejoin the mpt, not a word of that this time. >> pompeo is going to try to work all this out now the summit has happened instead of before. insort some sort of agreements before, he's going to do it afterwards. is that a possibility? >> so i think it's possible there be some genuine progress. so it may well be north korea will promise not to have new missile tests, no new nuclear
tests. may have a freeze on possibly enriching plutonium. what's a little weird is that we gave the concessions up front and concessions may or may not arrive from north korea down the road. and it was also, frankly, kind of troubling to have president trump emerge and use that we associate with north korea propaganda. president trump criticized the u.s. military exercises as very provocative. i mean that's a standard north korean line. >> well, he adopted that line and also sort of adopted the language and the way kim jong-un feels about it by saying when we suspended military actions we're saving united states money and also saying it's provocative, that's kim jong-un's -- >> that's kim jong-un's line and likewise on human rights. president trump acknowledged kim jong-un is rough, and lots of other countries are rough, too.
but, you know, look, there's no country in the world that's remotely on north korea on human rights. for him to defend north korea, i flitch flinched at that. >> cnn analysts point out while agreement is said to be very comprehensive the north does not go beyond pass budgets. do agree with that? i agree wit. >> further there's no verification of time line or process, but now on the issue of timetable trump said only he would push for north korea to denuclearization as fast as it can mechanically but saying it could take a long time. >> there's no promise, yeah, at some point in the future we will have no nuclear weapons. >> so what was it? >> it was great pageantry.
president trump would say it was a meeting of the minds and establishment of good will. but i think he watched too much television where these great men walk into the room and suddenly they resolve some long historical problem. that's basically not how these issues are resolved. in the meantime -- the problems with this agreement are an awful lot better than the problems we concernedbout a war breaking ere out. so there has been pro that sense. but the progress comes largely by sun sessions not made by kim jong-un but by president trump. it was essentially to diffuse the crisis he made. >> usually when there's a summit like that and they're trying to do something like that, there's a stack of pages. >> right. >> this is -- >> that's it. bare bones even within that one page. >> one single page. >> and there's no real content
there. and in the meantime we gave up a lot for -- >> and spent a lot of money to have him go all the way over there and the news organizations spent money and we spent a lot of time. let's listen to the reaction. this is from the president. he made this admission. >> i think honestly, i think kim is going to do these things. i may be wrong. may stand before you in six months and say, hey, i was wrong. i don't know i'll ever admit that, but i'll find some honest excuse. >> that was one of the most honest statements i've ever heard him say. >> and essentially what's striking about it is it's a leap of faith. it reminds what bush was talking about looking into putin's eyes and finding hope there, saying he trusts kim jong-un, he likes kim jong-un. and this is total triumph of hope over experience.
i don't know of any north korea expert who anticipates north korea is going to surrender its weapons. and yet president trump seems to think he emerged and the north korean narrative is that north korea's leadership used nuclear tests, missile tests, intimidated the united states of america, forced president trump to go to asia to meet their leader and then to surrender military exercises and they feel triumphant. >> putting him on a level of the president of the united states arb a dictator. and you said very clear, you don't think they will ever completely denuclearize. >> i don't think believe so. >> when we come back president bill clinton stepping in all over again, saying the rules, on quote, what you can do to someone against their will, that changed. i'm going to talk to a long clinton ally about that next. ancestrydna is only $69 for father's day.
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following sexual harassment allegations. >> i think the norms have really changed in terms of what you can do to somebody against their will, how much you can crowd their space, make them miserable at work, where you don't have to physically assault somebody to make them, you know, uncomfortable at work or at home or in their other -- just walking around. that i think is good. >> so let's bring in new andy davis, a former white house special counsel for president clinton who is the author of -- and also cnn political commentators angela rye and ms. stewart. what do you think bill clinton -- what do you think of his comments? >> i think he was stumbling. don, i think the reality of it
is the rules have changed and that is a good thing. i think it would have been great for bill clinton to be able to pull that sentence off distinctly and he didn't nail it. and i think the challenge is given his history is people are looking for m to say the wrong thin here. and frankly, this is not the right thing. as a father of a daughter, and the grandfather of a granddaughter he has to do better and quickly. he has to precise and right on point and he wasn't. >> here's what a spokesman said. he said it was clear from the context he's not suggesting there was ever a time it was anticipatable to do something against someone's will. he's saying that norms have changed in a variety of ways and how we interact with one another and that's all for the good. so is this a word choice problem or is there more to it? what do you think of that statement? >> for sure it's a word choice
problem. i agree with the form commenter. he was asked about senator franken. there was a process issue. he's very close to senator frankenho immediately resigned. i do think he would never support anybody being forced to do something against their will. and i do agree the words chosen weren't the best choices. but i think that -- that's exactly what he meant. he would never support somebody at any time in our history, norms should never change about doing something against people's will. >> did it sound he was implying, though, that senator frankpen's accuser was doing something wrong? >> if you ask me 27 women on "saturday night live" attested to that particular program of senator franken being a good person and never showing those indications. other women disagreed. i just think president clinton
got caught up in the wrong context and misspoke. >> all right, allison, let me hear from you. >> to angela's point, i think bill clinton didn't explain himself properly here. you don't have to look too far to hear he just doesn't really understand sexual harassment cannot be conflated with crowding someone's personal space. and that's the way a lot people heard what he said. and the good thing, the way that norms have changed is that we have created things to the me too movement and an envonment for women to be able to come out and not fear losing their jobs, not being persecuted, not fear being looked down upon because they are explaining, look, my boss or the president of the united states or a u.s. senator sexually harassed me. fortunately, the norms now are creating a environment where women can come fd
fortunately they have other women that have blazed the trail and enabled them to come tor forward. and president clinton is stepping in it once again. just the other day he said he owes monica lewinsky an apology. >> he did not say that. he said he publicly apologized to the american people, to monica lewinsky and her fami family -- >> lenny, let listen to it and then i'll let you finish. >> i feel terrible then, and i came to grips with it. >> did you apologize? >> yes. >> but you didn't apologize to her. >> i did not talk to her. >> do you feel you owe her an apology? >> i've never talked to her. but i did say publicly on more than one occasion i was sorry. >> go ahead, lanny. >> you clipped it.the next sent
was sorry to people -- and nothing funny here. the next sentence right after that sentence was i apologize to the american people, i apologize to monica lewinsky and her family publicly, and i apologize to my family. and as to whether -- i don't think that would have been appropriate, but he did exactly say what i said. >> i've known you for a long time and, lanny, i know you workedy, reallyard to defend your friend bill clinton, but the fact of the matter is he has not picked up the phone and he hadn't reiched out to her personally, he hasn't issued a personal apology to monica lewinsky. saying it to the public and saying it out in open is one thing but apologizing to a person you did something like this is important, and i think he should do it. and i think it's important for all of america that he took the
internal fortitude to do that. and i'm sorry, angela. >> go ahead, angela. >> really quick, lanny, i did laugh because bill clinton again was struggling. because he's saying yes, no, but the reality is he did not issue a direct apology to monica lewinsky. i don't think he should. i don't think that would be smart on his part. but i do think that -- hold on, lanny, i do think it's important to understand there's another issue here. it is the elephant in the room. whoever is responsible for t pr surrounding bill clinton and steven king's book needs to get it together. these questions are going to they don't care enough about the book. they want to know what happened. >> quick responsend i'm sorry to interrupt you. i respect your opinion -- >> lanny, can you hold that to the other side of the break? >> we'll be right back. ♪ ♪
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have our own views. apologizing to 250 people publicly and mentioning monica by niem and hname and her famil important for me. there is a quote in which president klepten's personal lawyer said on behalf of president clinton we wish to apologize to monica lewinsky. whether he should pick up the phone in that circumstance or not is just a difference in opinion. i do want to say he did his very best to apologize to everyone. and especially the pain he suffered for his mistakes. >> okay, lanny, i got it. he should be saying that. i love nicole selleck.
>> don, it's just a difference of opinion. he said it to 250 people. >> i get your point but bill clinton should be saying those things instead of everyone around him saying that. he should have been ready for it. okay, so the trump administration ramping up its zero-tolerance policy for undocumented immigrants crossing american southern borders referring those who are caught for federal prosecution. it's resulted in hundreds of children being separated from their parents. angela, the trump administration is looking for possibly building tept cities at military posts in texas. it says that, we are currently in the site assessment phase so no decisions have been made on locations let alone construction
mates. what are your thoughts on this possible move, angela? >> i think it's atrocious. it's inhumane. the idea we're talking about children being separated from their families and housed in tent cities in 20181 beyond me. i don't what they are, how old they are. this is like insane at this point. and i'm just trying to figure out at what point the american people as a collective are going to wake up and see this is going to get progressively worse if we won't raise our voices and call out inhumane treatment when we see it. this is one of those moments to bake up, speak up and show up on behalf of these kids. >> alice, you say you applaud, but i mean separating them from their family, i mean do you think that's necessary? >> look, clearly, don, the thought of children being housed in tent cities is disturbing, but keep in mind this is a plan
that is being considered because of the influx of these kids. look, this is the part of president trump's campaign on being strong on the border, campaigned on bein on immigration. and thi a consequence of an administration that has a zero-tolerance policy with regard to illegal immigrants coming into this country. and if you come into this country illegally, and if you have children, then this is the conquence of your action. it is awful, disturbing, heart breaking -- >> they're proposing this as part of of their plan. shouldn't they know the conditions of exactly where they're going to be housed and how they're going to do it? this is for alice. >> this is one of many proposals they're looking at. right now they're doing all they can to accommodate the children coming here through foster
parents and more stable conditions, more stable housing. but right now that is something they're looking at long-term because these people continue to come here against the law, and this is one thing that the administration is doing to adhere to their policies that everyone knew was going to be part of this administration. >> lanny, your turn? >> no,one should stand up and fight then. this is crazy. >> i have friends who voted for donald trump. i can assure if the question on the ballot when they voted is whether they would support tent cities separated from their parents as children as a kwaunsquence for anything tha stands for america, that word consequence is a harsh word. but when we're talking about children, nobody voted for that. >> go ahead, angela. >> i just think the idea we're saying a consequence. who's suffering inconsequence? there are kids who had no choice. the moment we begin to, again, take the barers and blinders of bigotry off and realize these are kids that had nothing to do
with an election, their parents' decision, nobody deserves that treatment. the thing i continue to think about when i was reading this piece are kids that were separated from their families during slavery. how dar we go back to that time. >> angela what about allison's point, there are a lot of people in this country, people who voted for this president, they will tell you the parents should know better. if the parentsant their children in tent cities than they shouldn't come across the border. >> shame on them because some of them are evangelical christians who continue support donald trump. you're heartless human beings. i'm praying for you because you're sick. when we come back the supreme court voting to up hold hawaii's push to up hold its voter polls. w discover card. hey, i'm curious about your
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would have due to the singapore summit. the supreme court up holding hawaii's law. a professor at georgetown university also an author of "what truth sounds like." good evening. good to see you. hawaii ohio's, law, works like this, if the voter skips a few elections or doesn't respond wi two years they're kicked off the roster. what's the problem with this law? >> it discourages people from exercising their right to vote when they see fit when the burden of proof s be on a government to provide a slate of candidates who are compelling. if you say the last election was
kind of wlark bhack but the nex after it wr. only in america where we don't have a special cay to celebrate vote so they don't have toe off from their work and other barriers and obstacles that are there? so this clearly is designed to be targeted especially towards african-american, latino voters. shame on them for not understanding there is no proof. it's a mythology, it's out of air. >> >> so let's talk about the ruling then. the ruling was 5-4. the difference was having
justice gorsuch, instead of m merrick garland. what kind of influence is trump going to have on the courts even after he's out of office? >> beyond this president and his out of box statements and his fantsmagorical projections and how narcissistic he is. beyond that madness is in reality he's shaping in a profound way the federal bench, but especially the supreme court of the united states of america. a youngish person who will have years and years and perhaps decades and decades ahead of him to shape fundamental policy, decisions that ar forth by the supreme court that will sway it, tilt it toward a conservative majority. and that spells trouble and trauma for people of color and other minorities in this country who look to the supreme court to defend them not to undermine and subvert them.
senator robert kennedy said te a sock in 1966, we must negroes will be as free as other americans, free to vote and earn their way. you have this new book out which is called "what truth sound like." are we moving closer or further away from bobby kennedy's vision? >> we're moving further away. bobby kennedy was a tough politician. he was no milquetoast week-kneed politician. he said we can do this. this is tough but we can get over it. but he believed fundamentally in the politics of empathy. he evolved to the to the a point where he saw, i must understand walking in the shoes of another person who's vulnerable. what he said in that statement that you read there is understanding the degree to which these policy decisions, these supreme court decisions, these court rulings must reflect
our best angel, s to speak, and the attempt to make things equal for everybody. support the very people who are the constituents of this nation, then it does a horrible job. and donald trump is shaping the supreme court in exactly the opposite fashion that bobby kennedy spoke about. bobby kennedy before he was a senator was the attorney general of the united states. he was the chief law giver, so to speak, of this nation. and he understood the critical role that law must play. the linchpin of legal rulings to defend the most vulnerable. and we have moved so far away from that. jeff sessions as the head of the department of justice. the president of the united states of of america stocking the federal binch with conservative people, some of whom who aren't even competent, as we' seen in discussions before the senate. but let's not be mistaken .3 this is a deliberate attempt to sway this court in a very
conservative direction that really spells trole for minorities in this country. >> i want to take you back again for a moment and talk about dr. king and also robert kennedy. after the assassination of dr. king, rnnedy broke th news to some of his own supporters in indianapolis. here it is. >> what we need in the united states is not violence or lawlessness, but is love and wisdom and compassion toward one another. feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black. >> i got to tell you, it doesn't sound much like america today. how do we move us closer to this unfinished conversation of race in america, so to speak. >> you're absolutely right. what a sharp contrast between bobby kennedy, looking at the great greek classics and evoking a sense of grief and of the epic
tides of suffering that those communities endured a he's saying we can do something about it and we can move toward a world where black and white people equally share to now. where we have bigotry unleashed, where we have the unvarnished prejudice against vulnerable. what we have to do we the people, we have to come together, we have to foster connections. we have to forge alliances between ourselves. to smak certain that the government is ours. look, we support the government, not an administration. we can be bitterly opposed to one administration because it does not exhaust what american government is. administrations come and go. the government remains. what we must do is reinvest our energy in making certain that we go out and vote, that we especially courage otherso do the same, and we understand that we still have the power. this is not the worst moment in american history. only when we have a narrow vision of who we are as an american people do we not understand we have et weathered slavery, we have weathered jim
crow, we have weathered the retaliation of people against color and rights and women's issues and gay lesbian and transgender. we are a nation of different others. we have the collective power to will our way into a better america. and it can be done. we can't reduce our visions to where we are now. we've got to look beyond them. . >> at the very time i thought i was lost, my dungeon shook and chains fell off. "what truth sounds like" robert f. kennedy, james baldwin and our unfinied conversation about race in america. see you right back here tomorrow. our dad was in the hospital. because of smoking. but we still had to have a cigarette. had to. but then, we were like. what are we doing? the nicodermcq patch
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