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capping the first u.s. north korea summit ever. at the same time questions are growing about what was signed as well as what the president was saying what was signed and doing. is the president trading concrete concessions for vague commitment on nuclear disarmaments? the if the sigh -- ent ys no. >> i think he is going start now. >> the joint statement does not say that and i am quoting, to work toward complete denuclearization of the korean peninsula, which is something the two sides see very differently. the president has agreed to halting joint military exercises with our allies. something the president refers to as war games. >> we will be stopping the war
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games unless and until we see the future negotiation is not going along like it should. but we'll be saving a tremendous amount of money plus i think it is very provocative. >> that came as a surprise in seoul. in fact, secretary of state pompeo is on his way there in the next few hours to talk the south koreans through the deal. take a look at what president trump has said about kim jong-un over the past 24 hours. the same man he was calling little rocket man a few months ago. >> great personality, very talented. great personality and very smart. good combination. funny guy. loves his people. loves his country. he was really very gracious. very smart guy. we've had a really great term together, a great relationship.
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he's a great negotiator. i think that he really wants to do a great job for north korea. he wants to do what's right. he trusts me, i believe. i really along rig begi i think he liked me and i like him. on behalf of his people, he's a very worthy, very smart negotiator, absolutely. we had a terrific day. >> well the so said he will at the appropriate time invite kim to the white house. and visit pyongyang as well. late today, north korea's news agency put a twist on that, replacing the word appropriate with convenient. i'm quoting here from nor rea state news. kim jong-un invited trump to visit at a convenient time. and the u.s. invited kim to come to the u.s. the two leaders gladly accepted the invitation. senator, thanks for being with us. i don't know if you can, but what did you and the president
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discuss today? and how did the president seem? >> well he wanted air force one to go faster. i think he is ready to get home. i said i am on it. he was in a good mood. he had no illusion that this is going to end quickly. but he believes that kim jong-un is going to take a deal to give us his nuclear weapons if he can convince him his regime is secure and his people aree prosperous. he believes that he is on the path of convincing kim jong-un he's better off without the nuclear weapons than with them. time will tell. >> the president says he trusts kim jong-un. i know you haven't met him, do you trust him? do you think the u.s. should trust him? >> no. this is the third time they promised to give up nuclear weapons. prior to this, they just promised to give up and they build up. what's different? i thins differe i think trump is different in the eyes of north korea and china. his standing with north korea is
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different than other presidents and we will see what happens. >> earlier today i heard you s that aeement that the president makes has to be signed off with congress. did you raise that issue with him today, is that something that he is in agreement today? >> we talked about that on the golf course before he went over. we talk a lot about north korea, which owe need to understand. he rejects containment of north korea. there is a line of thought out there, let's give him his missile program and nuclear weapons and tell him if he uses them against the united states we will wipe him off the map. the president doesn't like that construct. he will sell whatever he has. so the president has taken that approach off. he is in the denial mode. i am going to deny him the capability to hit america with a nuclear ile. that is where president trump is coming from. we did talk about a deal has to come to congress. he said if i canegotiate a deal that i would be proud to send to congress, then it is
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probably a bad deal. >> are you concerned about the lack of details in the agreement? the president has long asserted north korea has to agree to complete, verifiablverifiable, irreversible denuclearization. neither thfiable or the word irreversible are in the agreement. past agreements which were broken has been more specific language. >> president trump feels the need to try everything he can to avoid a war that nobody wants. but may be necessary to stop a to the homeland. here's what happened. president trump has put himself in a box and kim jong-un also has put himself in a box. by meeting with the president and shaking his hand and having all this lavish praise heaped on him, can you imagine what president trump would do if kim jong-un tries to play him like they've done for the last 30 years? and can you imagine how the trump presidency would be viewed trump capitulated and changed his mind and just gave them the nuclear weapons they've been
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pursuing. i think we're in a spot now where the status quo is off the table. >> so you've said the only other option on theorth koreon'tlearize >> yeah. option. >> is there a realistic military solution when it comes to north korea? obviously the death toll estimates in south korea alone are tremendous. >> that goes back to the central theme of are you okay with the containment and i am not. i think they will proliferate or sell anything they build. they've done that in the past and it's too risky to allow them to have nuclear weapons. here is what i think about a military option. it better be the last resort becait would be devastating. but this regime would be utterly destroyed. them out.fire one shot, you go nobody wants that. but if you're not willing to do that, you'll never get a peaceful result. and i think president trump would do that as a last resort and i hope we never get to that day. >> what do you think off the
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president's owards international alliances. we saw what happened in canada but also the information we have so far seems like the koreans -- south koreans were not informed in advance, that the president was thinking of stopping joint military ovocative.which he called wars n >> here is what i would say, that suspending military exercises to send a signal to north korea that we are going to give you the space to make a good decision about ending this conflict is okay with me. we will continue to train but joint exercise is designed to let them know if you get in a war with us, you're going to lose. i don't mind suspending these exercises to get some breathing space. our forces from south se with korea as part of this deal or any other deal because it is stabilizing influence on asia. let's give president trump a chance. he is unconventional.
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let's see if he can do something better than people before him. i think he has got a chance to bring this to a conclu because i do believe kim jong-un believes he will be better off without nuclear weapons if he can get the right deal. >> the notion of a cost savings, which is the president has talked about obviously in the past, but he talked about that today. you're saying that's ridiculous? >> that's ridiculous. >> you say it is ridiculous. >> i support stopping the exercises to give north korea some breathing space to see if we can get a deal. it's a gesture on our part okay, we're going to ratchet this thing down. let's see if we can work out our differences. but the money we spend training with our allies is money well spent. we spend about $1 billion or $2 billion to keep our troops in south korea. south korea spends most of the money. itngs stability. it is a warning to china that you can't take over the region.
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i reject the analysis that it cost too much. t i do accept the proposition to stand down and find a better way. >> do you think it is appropriate for the president to say that kim is someone who, quote, loves his people given his human right against his people. >> i don think he lues his people. i think he love elf. the difference between kim jong-un and a radical islamic, they want to die for their cause and kim jong-un doesn't. he wants security. above all else, he wants to be secured. him and his inner circle. if donald trump can provide the security he is seeking and a prosperous north korea by giving up his nuclear weapons he will do it. you either take that route or go the military option. ouill nobe
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threatened by you any longer, we will end it and hope to end in a peaceful way. i am not any other illusion about who this guy is. otto warmbier was murdered he didn't die in jail. he was kill e by the north koreans. i am willing to do almost anything within reason to bring this to a conclusion peacefully. willing to give this guy security guarantees to make him feel like he can give up his weapons. i'm willing to help him economically if he will give up his nuclear weapons. i don't want a war. i don't mind lavishing praise on him if it gets us where we want to go. we are going to end this one way or the other. it has to come to an end. and peace is the best chance under trump because i think north korea believes he is go to war if they have to. if they ever doubt that, we'll never get an agreement. >> i appreciate your perspective. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> i want to talk to christiane amanpour and ambassador yun and
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jim sciutto. >> we heard clearly that senator graham is hopeful about the positive side of this. >> there is that positive side, which is about talking and allowing space for some kind of talk and negotiation that while you're doing that, obviously, you know, youe not in the war framework at that time. and after all these months and years of high tension. i think there are many, many analyst who are concerned that there was no promise ao detail from the north koreans to even declare their nuclear weapons, declare their missiles, much less say specifically that they are going to give them up, how, when, what, where, veri
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verifiably. so that concerns a lot of people. the senator said we will never accept containment. but there are alyst that say maybe that is what is going to happen. he might not deploy them, he might not test them anymore, but we may be forced to endure some kind of arms control regime. >> ambassador, you spent your career negotiating with north koreans. how do you see it? >> we do have advantage. we got good sleep unlike our colleagues in washington and elsewhere. i think, you know, i really share senator graham's skepticism whether kim jong-un is serious. because it was nothing as christianne mentioned that came out yesterday. we saw a lot of difplomatic pom.
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and it was great to see the two leaders getting along. but also remember these are the two leaders who got us to bloody nose and brink of war and now they are saying their tionship will solve the we're ght to the skeptical. and on the one hand, kim jong-un has offered nothing. he did offer before the summit in order to get to summit, a ban on testing or stopping testing, freeing three hostages, but at the summit i saw nothing that he offered. >> the president clearly believes that kim jong-un is preparing and planning to get rid of -- to denuclearize. the regime is putting out statements about their portrayal of what is taking place here. they don't really talk on denuclearization. they are focusing on what they are saying stopping what they call war games.
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>> he is at least willing to give it a chance, right and risk diplomatic capital. it is a remarkable step. the president is taking a risk here. i spent the last 24 hours speaking to members of previous ministrations who made deals with the north koreans, clinton, bush, obama administration. and they have unanimously, and of course democrats and republicans. nums concern is the -- unanimous concern that we expressed here on any of the issues that the trump administration said itself. we are key going into this. even the most basic step of cataloging north korea's nuclear weapons not taken which is the most basic step. this is what we have and therefore, you can be in discussion as to how you get rid of them. senator graham has been a cagey
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operator here. very tough on north korea. willingo give the president leeway here, respecting the moves that they're taking. but he said this will be defining for president trump if north korea makes a fool of him and keeps nuclear weapons there. i thought he threw something of a own there for the president. >> taking a quick break. speaking of remarkable steps, the hollywood style movie trade that the president played for kim jong-un. we now know who's behind it. and sadly, information that officials were trying to keep away from the public on death in puerto rico. you get another day in paradise. get a sunset on a sunday. get more stories to share. get more from your summer getaway with exclusive hilton offers. book yours, only at hilton.com non-drowsy children's claritin allergy relief. the #1 pediatrician recommended non-drowsy brand. because to a kid a grassy hill is irresistible.
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woman 6: need more proof? woman 7: ask your rheumatologist about humira. man 1: what's your body of proof? whatever you may think of it, the summit made history in many ways. one aspect instead of just stating positions, the president laid out his position in part using a video. it wasn't just any video. it was aind of hollywood style movie trailer showing what a post war north korea could look like. the national security council act c actually produced the video. i guess everyone is a producer these days. here's a portion of it.
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>> destiny pictures presents a story of opportunity. a new story. a new beginning. one of peace. two men, two leaders, one destiny. a story about a special moment in time. when a man is presented with one chance that may never be repeated. what will he choose? to show vision or leadership? or not. >> and just in case you are actually wondering, that is real. that actually was shown by president trump apparently to kim jong-un and then also was shown at the press conference. siskel and ebert sadly are no longer with us. our panel is. ambassador yun, have you ever played videos or seen anything like that on the diplomatic front? >> this is the first. it is also historic. you are right. >> does it work? >> i tend to doubt it.
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kim jong-un is a die nasic country. he's a third in a generation. he's a good-like figure in his own country. so all this talk about you can be wealthy, well, i am pretty wealthy, thank you. >> he can't get much wealthier. >> he owns the country. i doubt this will appeal to him. i worry this is the other way around. are they trying to buy me off. >> that is what kim might be thinking. >> it is interesting, to hear the president talk about this in real estate terms. beautiful beaches, you can put condos there. >> that goes back to the essence of president trump's dna. the world he has inhabited for the last 60 years, last 50 years. >> i want to play that for the viewers in case they missed that.
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>> they have great beaches. i said look at that view, wouldn't that make a great condo and i explained, instead of doing that, you could have the best hotels in the world right there. think of it from a real estate perspective. >> he talked about location between south korea and china being an ideal location. >> and it is. fabulous real estate around here. but questions as to whether kim would want to liberalize that. and threaten his own survival. so i think that is a big question as joseph was saying and also, we have been trying to understand and delve everything that was said in the press conference. and one thing that comes up is what he does is better, more effective, more comprehensive, and smarter than
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any other president in the united states of america. and what we've seen is this declaration was definitely not up to what many others have signed. d i also think that it's a real shame that the partisanship in america. because other presidents have offered to meet with the north korean leadership and have been trashed. they were democratic presidents, like president obama and even recently president clinton was saying in 2000, he was invited, he would have met with kim jong-il, but he was so business seive doing at that time the camp david, trying to get the israelis and palestinians together in 2000 that he felt that he had to try to get that bird in hand. of course, it failed, that effort, but he was willing to meet with kim jong-il as well. so if the u.s. could get past this deeply partisan nature of their foreign policy, it might help to have everybody onboard to have a coherent foreign policy and work on steps between administratio
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administrations. >> it is extraordinary, was not -- the south korean joint training sessions was not discussed apparently with south korea prior to the president talking about it in the conference. >> or with his own national security agency. he spoke to reporters, premature. he underst and lindsey graham says the same thing. it is about south korea security but also about military peace g. as much about china than it is north korea and it changes u.s. power in the region. and one more note on the video. i got to tell you, when the video came out, i had to check because i thought it was a parody. i honestly thought it was a parody video. there is substance behind the message. an essential part of the qui
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pro qu is if you enter the world of nations, you can have a wealthier, more prosperous nation. but when you couple tha with e president's comments about how tough it was, the situation kim jong-un faced when he came to power, how he respects him, he was just 26 years old, it raises real questions about the president's depth of understanding of north korea. this is a brutal dictator, the third in line in a brutal dictatorship who treats his people horribly. >> forced abortions. >> uses chemical weapons on his own people. does the president truly imagine that if you offer condos on the beaches that dynamic is going to change with the leader. >> the president has been a norm buster. lindsey graham summed it up.
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he said the president and kim jong-un have put themselves in boxes. their personal capital is at everytng president trump has banked his presidency on, the disruption theory, the chaos theory. the flattery in order to get somewhere else theory, we're going to see whether it works. this is an ultimate test case of that method of presidency. and i think that will be a really interesting route as we watch to see whether that works. does this disruption work? is it just disruption and chaos? >> christiane amanpour, ambassador yun and jim sciutto. more ahead on the nature of the summit. president trump did say he talked about humanhts. we don't know any of the details of that conversation by eel speak to a human rights expe expert, a correspondent who's been inside north korea 18 times just in recent years.
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no one knows yet exactly how or when these extremely delicate and negotiations will end. this is just the beginning. but to get to the pointed the president had to. here is mr. obama back in 2007 talking about negotiations with decidedly unfriendly leaders. >> would you be willing to meet separately without precondition during the first year of your administration in washington or anywhere else with the leaders of iran, syria, venezuela, cuba and north korea in order to bridge the gaps that divide our countries. >> steven is in the crowd tonight. senator obama? >> i would. the reason is this. the notion that somehow not talking to countries is
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punishment to them which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration is ridiculous. >> tonight it's possible that we're on the verge of a new era with north korea, or we may not be. former director of national intelligence james clapper, authorover the new book "facts and fears of the new truth." also david gergen. you then heard what then candidate obama said that was then, 2007, and this is now. is it because of the nature of the threat has changed? >> no. it is because who is in charge has changed. and that is that we have moved to a republican president and they will do everything they can to protect him. i must say anderson, overall, i do think that republicans and the press really ought to give
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the president more credit. as you well know, winston churchill came to the white hou said it is always better to jaw jaw than to war war. and that has been a guiding principle for presidents since. it is better to sit down. in this case, it was better to sit down and have a continuing rattling of the cage and we might have a pepdi ipending ari between the two countries. that having been said, there are lots and lots of issues that need to be resolved and i don't think the president is getting the kind of political lift that he might have anticipated from this meeting. >> director clapper, i know i heard you say on the air earlier to david's point you think this is a step in the right direction, jaw jaw, less war war. >> i do.
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i was struck when i was in north korea in 2014 and engaged with senior north koreans. and it just struck me how stuck on their narrative they were and how stuck we were on our narrative. and emblematic of that were the talking points that i was assigned to recite to the north koreans and the first line was u must denucize before talk to you. the only way this narrative was going to change if i think the bigger partner, the united states changed it. and to president trump's credit, he has done that. we are in a better place where we are on a diplomatic path as opposed to where we were six or eight months ago. that is the only solution here in my mind. but remember, kim jong-un is not term limited and he is in it for the long game and i think president trump is in it for th.
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and as david alluded, all kinds of issues here. not the least of which, the concession on war game, air quotes intended here. and i might say, having served in korea myself, a couple of comments about why these games, so-called are important. first of all, the north koreans well recognize that those exercises are defensive in nature. what they do every year is posit an invasion from the north to the south and north koreans understand that. and they hype it, phraseology by the way trump picked up. with others how provocative nd those exercises are in their minds. operationally, the reason for them, why they are important. those troops that we have in south korea are mostly at one or
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at most, two-year tours. so there's a constant turnover. that's why it's important to do those exercises every year. and of course, this agreement was not very specific on what the administration has been hyping about complete, irreversible, verifiable denuclearization. so i think net gain here, the winners were north korea and china, particularly. the loser, probably the republic of korea and most certainly japan. the bottom line for me is the well-worn cliche is the devil is in the details and to use the phrase the president uses himself is we will see what happens. two unanswered questions and then i'll stop. what would it take for north korea to stay secure without nuclear weapons? that question apparently didn't get answered. and we don't have a definition of denuclearization and does that apply both ways? >> there has been a lot of comparison of president nixon's
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unprecedented visit to china. china and north korea are at different stages of development. but there was a big change in the relationship between the u.s. and china at the time. i wonder from someone who served in the nixon nistration, what do you make of that comparison? >> i think there is a parallel but farfetched to say this was a nixon trip to talk to the north koreans. and i was there in the white house when president nixon went to china. d it wasbut carefully thought through, a great deal more substance and that actually did change history. the meeting itself changed history. it pried the chinese loose from their embrace with the russians. and, in fact, the united states adopted a divide and conquer strategy under nixon which paid off in the end, as he had hoped. and that meeting, first kissinger went and then nixon went with him. and they were very productive meetings. in this case, anderson, the fact that they went in with vague
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preparations, they didn't really focus in on what they were going to try to get out of it on the american side, and they left early. so they didn't complete something very specific. and i think that's -- you know, the president in part was doing this for his political fortunes back home as well as gaining peace. and i think he really hoped this was going to give him a lift in the midterm elections. and it is so vague and republicans skeptical even though they celebrate the president. and they are skeptical about the outcome, that i don't see how in the next four or five months before the election they can turn this into a big winner on the trail the way they hoped. i think it falls short of what the president wanted. >> coming up next, we're going to tackle the question of human rights in north korea, whether president trump is glossing over the brutal nature of kim jong-un's regime or is it part
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the start at the broadcast president trump was full of praise for kim jong-un. at the conclusion talking about someone he h only been meeting face to face for a few hours. >> he has got a great personality. he is a funny guy, great negotiator. he loves his people. not that i am surprised by that. he loves his people. his kounl -- country does love him. they have a great fervor. a country which has people that they are so hard working and so industrious. >> north korea is a nation with documented history of extreme human rights abuses. among the abuses found murder, mass starvation.
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a man who lived in a prison camp. >> the majority of prison camps are meant to permanent incarceration. with me now is will ripley. and phil robinson. it is fascinating, will, to hear the president talking about the fervor the north koreans have for their leader, the love he has for them. obviously, you see that in videos. how real it is, though, is another question. >> i do think some of it is real. there are people inside north korea that has good quality of life. if you fit the mold, and you are straight and have one or two kids and have a government job and you're lucky enough to live in a city like pyongyang and
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everybody knows it, you go to the party meetings, that life is okay for some people. if you are outside of the box or have a different viewpoint, and you want to do something different with your life than what is allowed, and only one path is allow in north korea, obviously it's difficult in a situation for somebody like that. >> phil, how bad is north korea. >> we consider one of the worst. few other countries that have gulags in the mountains where people are sent on a one-way and the camps are known for working people to death. that's what they're for. they don't even try to rehabilitate these people. when you are talking about north korea, it is the yardstick that everything else is compared to and everything is better. not much of a hope of improvement in human rights. unless they're a sustained push from the trump administration which we don't really see at this point. >> that is the only way it will change which is pressure from the outside.
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>> exactly. it has to be the u.n. security council. ideally the u.n. security council would have sanctions involving human rights. but also various different governments. the u.s., but also the eu, canada and others. we have been trying to get people to take this up and we get a lot of blank stares and sighs that things are so hard in north korea, but what can we do? there's a lot we can do. >> the president said he discussed this with kim jong-un, unclear to what extent. >> you can say president trump is turning a blind eye or you are saying he is being practical. when you bring up the issue of human rights with the north korea, that is a nonstarter. and if he wants to accomplish denuclearization as priority number one, he's not going to be able to do that if he went in there and went hard on human rights. plus the north koreans are going to fire back at the united states. every time i raised human rights, they say the united
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states has a higher population in prison, mass shooting, police brutality. the secret police in north korea have been accused according to factors of a lot of brutality of their own. the point is they throw it right back. they say, hey, the north korean definition is different than the american dition. human rights for us in north korea is this collective concept. it's not an individual concept. in the united states we have a different ideology, it is about freedom of choice, freedom of religion, freedom of speech. those things aren't even on the radar in north korea. they look at uh yo when you bring up those things and sayle well, that's your standard, but not theirs. >> phil, are you disappointed with the results today that this wasn't more front and center. >> absolutely. it should have been in the communique. even if they're going to say human rights are an important part of this communication and we're going to discuss it, it should have been written down. you know, the claims that somehow this was something that was discussed at length, i think is not terribly credible.
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a if federal judge has ruled that at&t can acquire time warner, an $85 billion deal the justice department sued to block. time warner, of course, cnn's parent company. the judge said the deal does not violate astlaw. the justice department said it's considering the next steps. joining us now is jeffrey toobin
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and brian stelter. the government says they're considering next steps. this is certainly a huge setback for the president, for the department of justice. are there next steps for the department of justice? i mean , the judge said that basically their suit had absolutely no merit. >> there's just one possible next step, which is asking the court of appeals for a stay. that is to put the decision on hold. putting the decision on hold would probably kill theeal because there's an expiration date to the deal, which is june 21st. so i think the justice department may yet file this last ditch effort, but it really es look like they have lost this case and lost it in very convincing fashion. >> it's interesting, though, the judge said in the ruling that the government shouldn't try tp. >>e did, and it really -- that's very unusual, and it indicates just how totally repudiated the justice department was here, and it really raises the question of
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why this case was brought in the first place. i mean, as we all know, you know, then-candidate trump, then-president trump talked about how he thought this was a bad deal, and we all know how much he hates cnn. the real question here now is, was this case from the beginning just a vendetta engineered by the president against cnn's parent company or was it a legitimate case? that evidence was not presented in court. the judge didn't want to hear it. but i think all the rest of us would like to know whether this thing was engineered from the white house or it was a good faith attempt to enforce the anti-trust law, because that certainly failed in a big way. >> brian, i mean, generally if the deal does go through, what
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does it mean for the media landscape? i've heard a lot of people talk about other mergers that would likely be attempted if this one, in fact, was successful. >> well, at&t and time warner executives are breathing a sigh of relief. the lawyers of both companies are intaurants in d.c. right now having their celebratory dinners. by this time next week, e de will be closed and time warn will become part of at&t. but that's the first of a domino effect we're going to see of media mergers as well as deals in other industries. there are a lot of business executives out there, a lot of ceos out there saying, okay, now we have the green light for our own mergers. that means me consolidation on the way. that means comcast. as early as tomorrow morning comcast will make a bid for 20th century fox. right now disney is trying to buy fox. comcast is going to come in and crash the gate and make a rival bid. so that kind of drama is now going to get underway because
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the judge sided with at&t today. >> just briefly for about 30 seconds -- go ahead, jeff. >> what makes this lawsuit so weird, republicans and conserusually don't like aggressive anti-trust enforcement. they don't like to file lawsuits to stop mergers. they like mergers, and yet in this one case the parent company of cnn wted. and i think this has donald trump's fingerprints all over it. >> jeffrey toobin, brian stelter, thanks very much. breaking news, cnn just got records from puerto rico related to the deaths from hurricane maria. we'll have a report from san juan next. there's more breaking news.
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tonight government federico has ordered documents to be given, like death certificates, for the dead from hurricane maria. the go per nice stall the death rtificates. official death toll at 64. cnn surveyed funeral homes across the island in november. and found 500 hurricane related deaths. last month a harvard study said the number could be well over 4,000.
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less than two weeks ago on this program, i asked the governor of puerto rico why officials in his government would not provide records to the harvard researchers. >> if it's true, anderson, you know, there will be hell to pay. because i really want this to be very transparent. i want the truth to come out. that's the bottom line. and i want us to learn from this tragedy so we can prevent in the future something like this happening. so those are my stated goals, and i will work towards making sure that those happen. >> cnn's leyla santiago filed one of the first reports about the death toll number. she is in san juan for us
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tonight. it is pretty remarkable that at this point the official go death toll is still just over 60 people or 64 people when according to this harvard study, it could be anywhere from 600.to 8,000, but they averaged >> reporter: right, and they say that's a conservative estimate. but here's the difference between that estimate and what i have in my hands right now. this is the disk we received today with nearly 12,000 death certificates of people who died after hurricane maria. so this is now concrete evidence of what happened after hurricane maria as opposed to the harvard study that establishes an estimate, what they call, the researchers call a conservative estimate. how we got to this, to where i amow, standing with this, what we had to sue the government of puerto rico with another news organization requesting this very information, yesterday we found out that the government of
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puerto rico put in a motion asking for a delay, citing that they needed more time to retract private information. the judge said no, you must hand overt information. and so now we will be digging through these records, 12,000 death certificates, to try to get to the bottom of who died n. already we have found cataclysmic storm as a cause on some of those caseut of course we want to get to the bottom of those who do not say that and see if the conditions they were living under led to the deaths, anderson. >> yeah. we'll obviously go through that. we'll bring that updated information to you when we get it. time to hand it over to chris cuomo. >> i am chris cuomo. welcome to "primetime." the president is talking about the deal even though no deal was made in singapore. but the president does have a plan b. take a listen. >> i may stand before you in six months saying, hey, i was wrong. i don't know if i'll ever admit that butsort excuse. >> meant as a joke? maybe. too often the truth? definitely. so because president trump saying something is a huge win doesn't always make it so, tonight we test the case of what was gained for each side in

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