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viewers. cuomo prime time begins 9:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'mblitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> "outfront" next, braegi news. michael cohen meeting with multiple potential new lawyers today, cutting ties with his own legal team. is this a sign he's about to flip? also breaking, the secretary of state claim iing the north korea agreement including the word ver b fibl. what agreement is he looking at? and top democrat accusing ack people to be in the back of the bus again. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news. flipping at any moment. cnn learning that trump'sllies are afraid that the president's long time attorney who is under criminal investigation could be about to flip on his boss. one man says he's quote facing
the end of a barrel. another quote to the president says he has quote got to be extremely worried, adding quote, who the bleep knows what michael cohen did all those years. adding to the fears about what he knows and if he's about to turn on his long time boss and let it all spill out, cohen has now cut ties with his heel team. the very team that has been by his side through the m long criminal investigation including the raid on his home and office. one reason for this shake up is over money. cohen apparently running out of it and doesn't want to spend his entire savings on legal fees. that's confusing though because this is the same man who's been staying at a hotel where suites go for $1,000 a night. right now, we understand he's in a three-room suite of some sort. he's been saying here since at least april 9th. so you can do the math. so that's tens of thousands of dollars possibly since the fbi raided his hoechlt so if money is an issue, well, you get
point. cnn is also learning cohen met with potential new lawyers today. one source telling us that cohen would not be shocked to be indicted. but we were also told he's not yet met with prosecutors to peek about potential deal to flim philip and if he asks for a deal in exchange for a lighter sentence, basically, cooperates and gets a lighter sentence, he needs lawyers who know the people investigating him because the rest of his life is on the line. why cohen has not been charged, his long time business partner has flipped. the russian immigrant nicknamed the taxi king agreeing to cooperate in exchange for avoiding a possible 100 year prison sentence. so what can cohen offer on trump? there are only a few people who actually know the answer and know what cohen was doing on behalf of truch and his family for years. one person who does know is trump himself and while he sometime defepds cohen, he's tried to distance himself from his lopg time fixer.
f. >> michael is in business, he's really a business man. fairly big businesses, i understand. i know his business. but this doesn't have to do with me. michael is a business man. he's got a ss. he also practices law. >> mr. president s, how much of your legal work was handled by him? >> as a percentage, a tiny, tine knit l tineny fraction, but he would represent me in some way. >> tiny little fraction. that's not what cohen has claimed. as we know now, negotiated with stormy daniels among other things. evan perez is "outfront" in washington and a lolt of concern tonight from, that cohen is b about to flip. >> they aren't sure, but part
appears to be b that michael chone and his team were facing a team on friday, taken that fbi raid a couple of months ago and so the end of the review is now on friday.hurrican hundreds of thousands of pages of documents have been reviewed and that costs a lot of money. it was an opportunity to change teams going forward. now whether or not this -- he believes it's clear, certainly in the coming days whether that change in legal teams brings a deal or not. >> so you've been reporting that this news is that he's working the phones, plotting his next move when it comes to the russia investigation and you have new reporting on that tonight. from trump's team.
with his legal team. the korea summit. he started his next move as you know, erin, the special counsel asked for voluntary interview with the president. the president seems inclined that he wants to do it. they don't think it's such a great idea, so what to expect, to try to figure out a way forwarden meet with mueller in a week or so to see whether or n they can make a deal. keep in mind that if he doesn't make a deal, the special counsel is still threatening to issue a subpoena. >> all right. thank you very much. evan perez, all that reporting and "outfront" now, former substantiate u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. laura coates and patrick healy. thanks to all. harry, you heard the reporting.
trump allies are afraid cohen could flip at any moment. some are very afraid. one said looking at the epd of a barrel. this could be imminent. is there a deadline on him fl >> there's no deadline on him flipping, but there's a difference between whether you cooperate before inindictments or after assuming he is to be indicted. to cooperate before red better inindictmeninindictmendictment. it's a little less stressful than being indicted. having to be arain raigned. so if we assume that the government had evidence to get the search warrant, we can assume they had enough to p indict thim hill. >> imminent would be ir. >> yeah, conceivably, the next four to six wee maybe. >> so what cohen is clearly afraid here, he's sources telling cnn he's fully aware. at this point, that he could be.
when you're facinhat he's facing, there's reason for team trump to be worried he could flip. the guy is his long time partner is cooperating to avoid 100-year possibl prison term. there's real risk. >> who he could flip on is the greatest he knows what's ahead of him. he knows that it takes a counsel time to get up to speed. if there were a ceo lay, he'd have more time to get the smoke
signals from the united states if he's in fear. it's also b possible here, erin, that the deadline he's worried against, his own finances may be an isut the government own resources are at stake here and the less amount of money they have to spe to have the special, it's clear if theis trump. >> when omes to trump, cohen has talked about his loyalty to his boss. >> i will use my legal skills. i'll do anything to protect mr. trump. obviously very loyal and dedicated to mr. trump. >> look, here's the reality. people who talk to he will flip to protect his family. to save decades in prison. almost anybody would. trump's allies don't kno what cohen knows about trump.
that seems to be the most fascinating thing. >> trump mave his own recollection of it, but as we know, that could be different than what's in cohen's notes. >> so we don't just don't know. you heard the one quote, someone telling sarah murray today, who the bleep knows what michael cohen did all those years. pretty carry when the people closest to the president staring into what appears to be b a black holeverybody but michael cohen and donald trump in their own minds. >> this is a scary reality that campaign officials faced with truch. that white house officials have and now lawyers and legal teams surrounded by trump. all they have on hat trump tells him his version of the truth about what he did or didn't do in this case with michael cohen. what kind of business he handled. what he knew about any b internationals or foreign business dealings that mr. trump may have had in his private business. as you know we know, robert mueller is looking at the
financial dimensions of president trump's b business dealings during the campaign. the transition afterward, there's a good reason to believe he knows quite a bit about that. between the actual dealings ha as we know, trump likes to call up aot of people and ask for advice. what michael coh have taken dow about things. >> he took copious notes in conversations many of us have had with him, he's been open about that. before any of this. not in a threatening way. what he did. what to know what the boss wants and just rattles things off. >> what about i don't want to spend all the savings, yet he's taing at a hotel, we don't know the rate he's getting, there are unknowns, but one of the most expensive hotels in new york $1,000 a night. he's been staying there since
april 9th. if you're running out of money, it's not money you'd be spending on a hotel room. >> lawyers at this highevel i expensive and it's true just to be crass about it, but it costs less in legal fees if you plead guilty and cooperate than it does to go to discovery then face a lengthy, complicated trial. >> just because of the time. >> just because of the tichl time. it shouldn't drive a decision but occasionally, it's a factor that a person has to think about. do i really want the to press this to trial in what would that do to my family? what are the risks to my sentence? these are the things that animate. >> there's a question as to whether he'll testify before mueller. started to have the c conversation, dana bash spoke with rudy giuliani tonight. he changes what he has to say. quote, i think he wou like to testify in a situation in which
we the tell him the it's fair. and he's going to be received objectively. continued to say he wants to carve out a way in which he can testify. is there a situation under which trump's team is going to tell him this is going to be fair given what trump has said about >> he can tell him that, but it won't satiate the president of the united states, undermine the crede bability and call this a witch hunt and call out mueller. you're seeing these caveats and. we'd tlik talk to you if only you can makerantees to us. gash tees that no other defendant, subject, target or witness will get. you have the same essential rights as everybody else. either you're the law or you're not. if you're above the law, you ask for things like guarantees that nobody else gets. it's unfair. hypothetical that he'll get that. >> thank you very much. next, breaking news. president trumpfronts about why he's praising kim jong-un and he just answered the
question this way. >> he's still done sreally bad things! yea. >> yeah but so have a lot of other people. >> what a prominent republican says the gop is starting to resemibable a cult and only "outfront." two political operators with ties to trump's campaign now fa their ties to russia. who are they? alright, i brought in new max protein ...to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. i'll take that. [cheers]
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the secretary of state sent a statement between kim jong-un and president trump, i've got it here, did include verification of denuclearization. want to read the exchange so you can hear what he's saying forelf because it's important. so the first question. mr. secretary. i wanted to ask you about verifiable and irreversible. you said the day before you said it's our only objective, it's clear we want that. it's not in the statement. why is it not in the statement? and the president said the reporter continues, secretary pompeo then interjects, it is in the statement. in the statement. you're just wrong about that. question. how is it in the statement? and the exchange goes back and forth. concluding with the secretary saying you're just because complete encompasses verifiable and irirreversible. i suppose you could argue
semantics, but it's in the document. i find the question insulting, ridiculous and ludicrous. i have to be honest with you. the a game and one ought not play games with serious matters like the this. of course we all agree with that. so let's just be clear here on the fact. this is the statement. the word verification is not in it. it simply is not there. that's a fact. if you look at it, you can zoom in, you can see it, check it yourself online. it is not there. when you were talking about getting a country to give up nuclear weapons, a country that has prommed to do so before and has proeken that promis repeatedly, it is not a matter of semantics an does one general word actually include something extremely specific. jim acosta is "outfront." he was the reporter for the trump kim meeting. pompeo is insulted. it's ludicrous to be asked why verification is not part of this b signed agreement. you witnessed the summit firsthand. what do you make of what pompeo
said? >> i think the secretary of state is sensitive about this because they signed on to an agreement that essentially means they're going the make it up as they go along. that this is a work in progress. this is the beginning and not the end and we got a sense of that yesterday or a couple of days ago, whatever day it was when he signed the agreement, they obviously understand inside the white house they have a big risk they're taking here, the president's putting his credibility on the line and that's why he said he may come back in six months and say this didn't work out. i think secretary pompeo mitted this is going to take two to two and a half years to denuclearize north korea. now zbl now the president tweet ed the morning the biggest enemy of the united states is actually not something like a regime with nuclear weapons that has promised to annihilate the united states. not something in that realm. he said the press is the biggest enemy. tweeting so funny to watch the fake new, especially cnn and
nbc. 500 days ago, they would have begged for ts deal. looked like war would break out. our country's biggest enemy is the fake news so easily prted by youyourself, jim, whe were in singapore, came under fire by trump allies for asking questions to trump and kim and at one point yourk and other reporters were asking questions during the signing of the statement. let me just play that clip briefly. >> starting that process very quickly. very, very quickly. absolutely. >> you then asked trump and kim questions when they were on the ban cbalcony. >>'s it going so far, sir? what do you think? >> very, very good. excellent relationship. thank you very much. >> will pl kim, will you give up your nuclear weapons, sir?
>> right again you're there. so are others. that's how it goes. by the way t the president addressed you both times, but others close to him are slamming you. you know, saying you're the worst guy. you don't even deserve to be b a rotter. you're being singled out. what's your reposponseresponse? >> my goodness, there was a dictator a few feet away from me. how could i not ask this man if he was going to give up his nuclear weapons? how could i not ask the president are you making sure. i was just simply trying to do what reporter should do in those situations and eastern, that's not my way to shout questions or try to get a question in. that's not your way. that's not cnn's way. it's american way. and what i would say to the president's advisers and people who were going to hurl these insults at us and even the president himself is that you know, attacking the press is not the american way. you know, asking dictators hard
questions about nuclear weapons, that is the american way and i'll to it again if i have the chance. >> right as you point out, it is the american way and it is moments like that when you had all o those i don't want to use reporters, but people who work for the state media in north korea, they're looking at you t see how you do your jobs, to see how you stand up to authority. it's a moment where our country can show partt makes it so great and it is pretty shocking that it is being slammed by those in the highest places in this land. thank you so much, jim. >> you got it. >> thank you, erin. appreciate it. >> now, gordon chang, author of nuclear showdown. north korea takes on the world and former army commanding general for europe and the seventh army. you're with me, let me start with you. the secretary of state says it's insulting and ludicrous that anybody would ask about verifi being in the statement because it's there. but it's not there. >> it's not there and the secretary of state's words really just show the state of
mind how defensive he's become. pompeo is usually open, charismatic. >> aftfable. >> he's won applause for the way he's dealt with foreign leaders an everybody else. this is swrus so striking thisase is cvid. the c is complete and he says it's complete. the v is verifiable, but c is not v and he should know that. >> it's a basic thing, mark. and yet, defensive at the least would be the word. he's saying it's insulting that anyone would even ask why the word isn't there. >> yeah, i don't it either, erin. this is the kind of rigor and discipline that goes into these statements. and it should be transparent. and to have the disconnect between the secretary of state state said and what is in the document. somewhat disconcerting.
>> it is and i want to play something else that just happened to get your reaction to it. the president just spoke to fox news. i want to play the clip here we have b about what he said on north korea. here it is. >> you know, you call people sometimes killers. he is a killer. he's -- executing people. >> hey, when you take over a country, tough country. tough people. and you take it over tr from your father, i don't care who you are, what you are, how much of an advantage you have, if you can do that at 27 years old, that's one in 10,000 that could do that. so he's a very smart guy. it's a great negotiator. but i think we understand each other. >> he's still done some really bad things. >> yeah but so have a lot of other people have done some really bad things. i could go through a lot of thagss where a lot of bad things were done. >> all right, just to be clear here, the u.n. says you hae
125,000 north koreans in political prise prisons in 2014. kim himself has ordered the execution of 240,000 people including his half brother. antiaircraft machine guns yuszed to kill people. the u.n. i'l read the quote here. when they talked about north korea, this issue other bad operators, the quote was north korean human rigs violations doot have any parallel in the contemporary world and yet trump is saying a lot of other people have done bad things, too. >> he loves his people is is just incomprehensible. >> the press conference tuesday. and this is again, a very difficult thing for people to accept what trump has said. and the other thing that is so per flpl ining to me is that du the state of the union, trump emphasized north korean human rights. he brought the escapee who run
over by the train. yet he said something like that to brett, that just to me, it doesn't compute and i don't understand it and the united states should be standing for human rights all the time and h people like kim or anyone else. >> it's pretty stunning. the president saying he loves his people at the press conference. we remember otto who came back brain dead. president trump making comments about that at the time. but now, it's there's other bad guys out there. general, the president also described the military exercises between north korea, sorry, south korea and the united states that have been going on for years as pro kags and war games. that are going to end and save a loft money. just to be clear, war games and provocations are not word that is the united states or its allies use to describe that. those are the words that kim jong-un uses to describe them. what do you make of that? >> you can't call something that's a defensive exercise. which is preparing for any kind
of attack by north koreao south korea, which is the very, it describes the various war plans we have on the books. it's a defensive deterrent. that's not provocation. if anyone has been provocative, it in fact been kim jong-un since he's been in power on multiple occasions, as well as his father and grandfather. they have done multiple things that have provoked south korea. killing people. killing americans. killing south koreans. invading their territory. downing ships. downing airplanes. so all of these things just seem strange, but it's a word that has been used by other countries. provocati provocative. russia, china. and north korea. have all used that term in suggesting we should stop defensive deterrent exercises in south korea, which we always tell them we're going to do. there are always notifications long in advance. we state exactly what the ferruzexercise objectives are.
>> right, they're like clock work and the president's words was i wanted to stop the war games. i thought they were very provocative, a stunk statement fr president of the united states. thank you both so very much and next, one republican calling out his own party when it comes to trump today. >> it's becoming a cultish thing, isn't it? >> and a top democrat with some shocking words about jeff sessions. >> sessions, he just love you know for black people to be in the back of the bus again. >> is that fair? or going way too far. congressman gutierrez is "outfront" tonight. over 200 . like those from buddbecauss are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear. our because of smoking.ital. but we still had to have a cigarette. had to. but then, we were like. what are we doing? the nicodermcq patch helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. nicodermcq. you know why, we know how.
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senator is calling his own party. >> we're in strange place. it's almost you know, it's becoming a cultish thing, isn't it? it's not a good place for any party to end with a cult like situation as it relates to, to a president that happens to be of the purportedly of the same party. >> trump, a cult leader. it comes as mark sanford, who has won six race, never had an issue, lost in the primary last night to a trump supporter. "outfront" now, editor of the resurgent.com, erick erickson and ben ferg on sand radio host. eric, is republican party a bit of a cultish thing by president trump. purportedly, the leader of the party, according to corker. is what republicans said a,
about democrats back from 2009 to 2013 with barack obama. or 2017. that there could be no crism, anyone who krit sighed him from within the party was challenged. i' been a republican for a listening time. i was crical of george w. bush. john mccain, mitt romney. even back to bob b dole and never have seen the party turn on people critical. take mark sanford. he left his wife and children, ab abandoned them to go to argentina to take up with his mistress. came back, publicly apologized. left the governor's mansion. got elected to congress. the voters kept elect iing him. he voted against barack obama. against george w. bush p against donald trump, but then began criticize ling trump and is out of a job. >> so cult is fair to you, eric. >> i think the republican party is headed that way. where they can't abide criticism the leadership. >> cult?
>> eric, i i love you, but come on. cult? really? this is absurd. bob corker got more fired up yesterday as he was talking about his fellow republicans and chastising them than he did during the entire eight years when obama was president. i've never heard corker's voice get that high for that long when he's been p running for office and he's bitter man the people of tennessee said we're going to vote you out of office because you didn't doe do what you said you were going to do. corker and others, need to understand the reason why they're being drained out of the swamp is because they didn't do what they said they were going to do. >> everything as lindsey graham is saying to do with donald trump because corker isn't running. running for re-election, for whatever reason. take what you're saying face value. it doesn't matter. he's not running. now he can come out with what he his. >> this is the part about corker where he's just a flat out fraud. this is a g who, he is -- doesn't run again and was a
fraud because he didn't ever fight this hard when he actually had the power to make a difference and do change. so the voters saide are done with you and now he's acting like and he's angry because he's losing power. this is the demise of a guy who had a lot of power in washington. >> hold on, would imply he doesn't mean what he says. seems clear he does mean what he says. >> first of all, everything ben just said abo corker, he's right. no love for bob corker there, but when a party can't abide criticism, tcan abide m sanford voting against the president, just can't abide him speaking up critical of the president. you mention ed this comment he made to brett a few minutes ago, praising kim jong-un despite being a mass murderer and maniac. no one in the party wants to speak up about that. >> he called him out. a few people have tried to call him out about that. but there's been inkrcredible silence on it. that with the access hollywood tape along with a lot of other thing, ben, there's a fear among
republicans to speak out against the president. >> let's do a kim jong-un. perfect example. why is the president not going in there like he was a year ago when talking. a year itting here and people w saying donald trump's going to get us into world war iii because of his rhetoric on north korea. >> he was talking about fire and fury and the like of which has never before seen. [overlapping speakers] >> let e's be clear. you had a year where you realized it wasn't going to gettous peace. now people are criticizing for him being nice to a guy getting him to denuclearize. you're never going to get a deal if you're out there trashing him on all these issues. >> there's trashing and his own people and has done things not seen in the contemporary world
on evil and human rights is somehow loves his people. okay. there's a line and then there's crossing it. so i don't want to get in a fight again. >> if you have to, here's the thing about donald trump and this is the part about sanford and others that lost yesterday. they don't understand. sometimese look for leadership and realize it means having to work with people you don't necessarily like and getting along with them and corker and sanford and others, they mightt to take a message from donald trump that you may not like the president, but it's better to work with hi >> eric, i want to give you, can i just play some of what sanford said about trump. which he said he doesn't regret, he'd say it all again. but here's what he said. >> doesn't make anybody stay when the president says i want to take you out, but what i would say is i don't work for him. when the president says to somebody in the audience, i wish i could hit you in the face if not why don't you do it and i'll pay your legal fees, we ought to
call it for what it is. i think a lot of people would say, okay, the guy said something stupid. i think a lot of people were disappointed with the way he said it and what he sa >> does this mean even fewer people are going to criticize the president? >> i think so. until we get to a lame duck congress after november, you may see republicans grow a spine for a few months and you know, this is the problem. listen. i think you should be able to criticize within your own party and i remember that many of the republicans now praising president trump for going and reaching out to kim jong-un were just two years ago attacking barack obama for reaching out to the cuban president. one of the communications leaders of the white house tat time. >> then listen, this doesn't matter. >> it's different. >> you can't criticize the president of the united states as a republican. i don't think you can. i agree with what you say. but listen, the problem here i that republicans in the united states have a president of the united states who is is coddling a dictate or who ruthlessly
murders his own people and goes on national television on fox by the way, where again, you're not allowed to abide criticism of dear leader, much like in north korea and he goes on and says this guy, he took over from his father. of course he's going to be like this. he doesn't want to take criticism from the republicans. >> sanford lost because he didn't list en to his con tich wents. >> you're right. what did he not listen to? they were weak. >> criticism of republican president. >> i know there's going to be a whole lot more of this conversation coming. we've got ron and everything else coming up. thanks to you both an next, one congressman saying swref segs would like for quote black people to be in the back of the bus again. is that over the line? he's my guest, next. plus, michael cohen's life after ing?fbi raid., at's he (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything
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to have a microphone to speak to anybody. we're not going to alieu that to happen. >> congressman gutierrez is with me now. welcome back. i appreciate your time. blacks in the back of the bus again. those your wos. do you really believe that? >> well, erin, absolutely. i mean, this is a man that when he came before the senate to try to become a federal judge, scott king came forward. there were all kinds o f testimony about him calling black men boys. this is a man tryitrip eople as a u.s. senator and diminish tir voting rights. this is a man that works for donald trump and we know what happened. charlottesville. we know where he's at and when it comes to the violence against women's act, he voted against it. won't you see him stand up for women. he's never stood up for him. this is a man that protects
donald trump when donald trump says that transgender people in the military should be banished. so yeah, i believe every last thing and there is -- >> and you stand by it. >> for everything i said. >> the thing of course though is congressm congressman, blacks in the back of the bus, it's a historically loaded term in this country. and i just want to ask you because according to the former district attorney in mobile, alabama, session, when he was the state's u.s. attorney there, he was responsible for the getting the resources that led to the conviction and death pnlty for the head of the state's clue clku klux klan. >> i look at the man today. the man today is trying to undermine voting rights. voting rs in which black people in this country sacrifice their life. so that we could have a voting rights act, civil rights act. when he came before the senate, this is just fact.
there were people who came forward. so look, sometimes, people do one good thing. but that's not really their record or history of who they are. trz look at who jeff sessions is today. i mean, violence against women's act? you can't support women against being murdered and raped and abused? you're a u.s. senator then you work for a man that we all know what he thinks about women. >> so let me ask you, you have used very strong language and very articulately to tal about isou're passionate about. two of them tonight. i wanted to play a few ofhe thipgs that you have said about this president. >> we now know that we have in the white house, someone who could lead the ku klux klan in the united states of america. if this president is not racist, then i don't know who is. >> trump's immigration approach is pret thety simple.
if you're white, you're all right. if you're brown, you're a little lower down and if you're black, just go back. >> i know you mean everything that you said there. i wonder though, congressman, when you criticize the oreide for dividing, attempt tog divide this nation, when you say things like thare you adding to those divisions or not? >> actually, i clarifying and amplifying. the positio of the extremists. which i think is very, very rtant. when you don do that, youion of a fascist society. you need to speak out and denounce prejudice, racism. all forms of bigotry. in the congress of the united states. the president of the united states, a moral request. marching and the kkk.
it's kkk goes wild. and all the white suh premists go pwild. called mechani eed mexicans rap murderers and drug dealer, who said that a federal judge born in america could not be, fair because he's a mexican. that's racism because what he has done has said he's not qualified because of his national origin. his ethnicity and like martin luther king said, people shouppe judshould be judged by the cont of their character. >> thank you very much. apprecte your time tonight. >> thank you. >> next, new details about michael cohen. what's he been doing. people who see him daily are speaking out and two men with ties to the president's campaign. facing new questions over their ties to rug. what do we know about these two people? it's an "outfront" exclusive.
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michael cohen ditching his legal team. the move raising the possibility that he could flip. 65 days ago, the raid. what has every day been like since? >> reporter: since the fbi raided his home, hotel room and office in april, michael cohen, the president's long time personal lawyer has continued to stay at this luxury hotel where suites cost nearly $1,000 a night. cohen has been occupyi three adjoining rooms. cohen is always friendly with the staff but lately has been a
reimbursed through a retain >> do think the president still has your back? >> reporter: president trump has distanced himself since the so-called fixer. >> how much of your legal work was handled by mr. cohen. >> a tiny little fraction. >> reporter: the source says rising cost is one of the reasons why cohen has been splitting from his legal time. as been living in three rooms at his hotel. it is important to know it is not clear where that money is coming from at this point. >> all right. thank you very much. and next, more political operato operators known to the trump campaign, who are they? and this is a story you will only see "outfront."
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>> tonight two political operatives who became familiar faces of trump's campaign. the two men went with trump to president trump tower. who are they? >> reporter: aaron banks became a familiar face on the trump presidential campaign. he cheered on donald trump in mississippi at a political rally, attended a campaign event in st. louis, a debate in las vegas and went to ump's inauguration and has spent time at mar-a-lago resort. and just four days after donald trump was elected, banks along with fell low brexit supporters,
met for more than an hour with the new president elect even before trump met britain's prime minister. they say that meeting was unplanned. what hasn't known until now was aaron banks was communicating with russia ambassador to the u.k. banks and whit more had lunch again with the ambassador. nigel faranalogy asked him about it on his show. >> we had had a pleasant lunch with them in the last six hours and he saw a picture of us in trump's apartment. and of course he got in touch. >> reporter: the first trump even was august 24, 2016.
wigmore has denied the lunch happened. but one of dozens of communications between wigmore, banks and russian officials. >> there is nothing illegal, as long as you are not breaking sanctions. we want to know about the nature of the contact and what was being discussed. an investigative committee in parliament, banks denied giving the russians anything sensitive but did admit handing over one piece of information, how to get in touch with the president elect. >> the only thing we gave in the second meeting was the telephone number of the transition team. >> banks has been trying to den
british press and politicians that he is acting as a potential russian agent. barngs admits offered involvement in a $3 billi deal to consolidate six russian gold mines. banks says that deal never went through. his story is confusing because he admitted sometimes he orows his side kick andy wigmore lie on his behalf. >> i have been guilty of slight exaggerating the message. and i am guilty of doing that. >> reporter: the say it should be no surprise to u.s. authorities that they had ties to russia. and claiming they voluntarily turned that information over u.s. offls.
we have not able to confirm. two friends from britain were also lunch buddies with a russian ambassador. >> all right, drew. thank you very much. that exclusive from drew. thanks for joining us. "a36 now. we begin tonight with new evidence that the republican party is now the party of donald trump. we will speak to senator sanford who lost his battle last night. until last night gop primaries, congresswoman sanford had never lost election. last night mark sanford did. yesterday, afternoon, this