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recognize -- be realistic. it is going to take a long time, again, to reach the finish line. >> mr. secretary, thanks for being with us. appreciate it, sir. >> thank you. thank you so much to our international viewers for watching. for you cnn talk is next. for u.s. viewers, "new day" continues right now. >> president trump's lawyers gearing up for potential showdown with special counsel. >> the president has legal and political considerations. >> he's not cooperating, nor do we care because the president did nothing wrong. >> we're going to get complete denuclearization. only then will there be relief from the sanctions. >> it is by far not the last step. >> north korea is the greatest human rights violator on the planet. >> i can go through a lot of nations where a lot of bad things were done. >> this is the party of donald j. trump. >> he is going to bring me and the other republicans across the finish line. >> it is becoming a cultish
thing, isn't it? >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> we have so much to talk about today. another big newsday. good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day". president trump appears to be tkpwaorg up for a potential showdown with special counsel robert mueller. cnn learned as the president was flying back from singapore, he was working the phones with his lawyers to game out the next steps, including whether to sit down with robert mueller and the possibility of facing a subpoena. >> in the meantime, he is continue to go praise the north korean dictator in an interview, the president called kim tough, very smart, and a great negotiator. and he brushed off kim's record of human rights abuses. just dismissed the question or tried to deflect. he seemed to justify the record saying he had to be tough because he came in as a very young leader. let's start our coverage at the would you say.
abby phillip is live. good morning, abby. >> good morning, john. when president trump was on his way home with kim jong-un, he made several phone calls from air force one, including to his lawyers to strategize about what is coming next, including a potential enter sraoufpintervie. all of this is happening as michael cohen faces his own legal issues. >> all of us know he shouldn't testify until we get everything we want or he wants. >> reporter: president trump's legal team gearing up for a potential showdown with special counsel robert mueller over whether president trump should sit down for an interview with special investigators. >> we should get it done in the next week or two. we go to battling over a subpoena or getting him ready for a small tailored limited interview. >> reporter: rudy guiliani telling cnn the legal team is eager to get the president's input now that he is home from singapore in anticipation of a meeting with the special counsel later this week or next.
>> have you changed your mind at all about speaking with robert mueller? >> i would love to speak. nobody wants to speak more than me. >> reporter: this as the president's long-time former lawyer michael cohen prepares for a legal battle of his own. cohen is at the center of a new york-based criminal investigation into its financial dealings, including a payment to porn star stormy daniels auto president trump's behalf days before the 2016 election. >> do you think the president still has your back? >> a source says cohen would not be shock if he is indicted. he has split with his legal team. spent wednesday meeting with at least three with experience in the southern district of new york, which is handling the probe. cnn is told that money is also a big part of cohen's consideration. >> they say i'm mr. trump's bit pull, that i am his right-hand man. >> the legal shakeup sparking concern that mr. trump's fixer could flip on his long time
client. with one trump ally remarking cohen is facing the end of a barrel. >> a lot of talk about you flipping. any possibility of that? >> reporter: giuliani insisting that cohen is not cooperating with investigators. >> i checked in last night. it's not so. he's not cooperating, nor do we care because the president did nothing wrong. >> reporter: as recently as friday, president trump would not rule out a potential pardon for cohen. >> i haven't even thought about it. i haven't thought about any of it. it is far too early to be thinking about it. >> but you're not ruling it out? >> they haven't been convicted of anything. there is nothing to pardon. >> reporter: today is president trump's birthday, and he has nothing public on his schedule today. we know that the inspector germ report he has been eagerly awaiting is expected to come out today. that will detail findings about the fbi's handling of the hillary clinton e-mail probe. >> an pweurbgs thank you very
much. we have cnn analyst john avlon and jeffrey tube in. let me start with you. as the president was flying back home from this historic north korean summit, listen, the mueller probe continues. he has to confront it when he gets home, even after what he considers this huge win. so it sounds like, i don't know, does it sound like to you that it is kicking into a higher gear or decisions have to be made soon? >> they do have to be made soon. we have been hearing this saga for months now. he wants to testify, but it has to be a short interview. they have to make up their mind. this is ridiculous that this has gone on this long, the same subject about whether he will talk about it. and mueller's people are going to get frustrated and drop a subpoena on him. >> these are active negotiations of what they want and how to keep it contained. >> but that's been going on since january, if not before. they set a date in january.
there are a limited number of subjects about how long the interview is, how many subjects they will discuss there. this does not take months of negotiation. what the -- the mueller people are being jerked around. and at some point they are going to get sick of it. and i suspect that will be soon. and, you know, he said a week or two in that interview yesterday. he said a week or two before. i really just don't know when they're going to reach a resolution on that. >> no. we will have to wait and see. just because rudy guiliani, for instance, said something doesn't always mean it's true. you can't take it on the bank on this. michael cohen, john avlon, michael cohen changing attorneys midstream. we will talk about that in a bit. rudy guiliani said we're not worried about it. nothing to worry about here. we don't care. even if he cooperates, there's nothing to cooperate about. >> it is all good if cohen flips. the president is terrified of
the pros expect. do i think that is likely? no. he defines himself by loyalty. it will be huge if he actually flipped. 3.7 million documents out there. this is reality distortion this is standard operating procedure for this crew. but the prospect, the possibility of cohen flipping would really send tremors throughout the west wing. >> john, i actually disagree about that. i think it is more likely than not that he will cooperate. keep in mind that if he's indicted, 90% of the people who are indicted in federal court wind up pleading guilty. if they indict you, you have very, very little chance going to trial. michael coe help does not want to spend many years in prison. and he knows that donald trump is not a loyal person. so he is probably not going to
get much support from him. i think cohen, who like everyone, has a keen eye for self-interest. he may well decide that is the best decision. >> the difference between that and the other 90% is he has the power to pardon. that may be the calculation. >> pardoning michael cohen would be a quantum difference from pardoning anyone he is considering. there is absolutely no public interest in pardoning michael cohen. people will assert that pardoning him alone is an impeachable offense. he has no public role. there is no claim that he has any sort of public interest. pardoning michael cohen -- pardoning him would be close to an act of obstruction of justice in and of itself. obviously this is all speculative. but i think counting on a pardon of cohen is tough. >> okay.
let's talk about the inspector general report that today the president will be briefed on. this is expected to dissect and review what james comey possibly did wrong in the hillary clinton probe. so attorney general jeff sessions talked about this. and i thought there was a real headline in here for what jeff sessions said to the hill. listen to this. >> i think it will be a lengthy report and careful report. it will be released soon. it will help us better fix the problem we have and reassure the american people that some of the concerns that have been raised are not true. >> reporter: those concerns will >> some of the concerns are not true? uh-oh, mr. sessions. donald trump on line one. john, what is that telling us? >> the framing of it all, the tiling, looks like a giant birthday present for the president. what he wants on his birthday more than anything else. >> today is the president's
birthday. and it's also flag day. >> this is something that the trump white house and the allies have been looking forward to. they see this as the ultimate exoneration. can it add legal jeopardy to mccabe. what he seems to be tell tkpwrafg is it may be a giant nothing burger. >> i didn't get that. i don't know exactly what sessions was thinking. people thought comey was fired for no good reason. now we will see he was fired for a good reason. that this ig will criticize comey. and people will be reassured that the president fired comey for good reasons, not to obstruct justice. i think it is very likely to be a good day for president trump and a bad day for james comey. >> it is interesting. this is one of the rare days it could be a good day for hillary
clinton also. bittersweet day for hillary clinton. because the worse james comey looks in the hillary clinton e-mail probe she could say, hey, look, i told you all along this was unfair. this was handled poorly from the beginning had he not sent that memo to congress just days before the election. things could have turned out differently. >> does that make it a good day in her campaign for chap qua city council. there is not much any inspector general can do to repair the damage done to hillary clinton. >> i love that vignette of the loneliest short story involving hillar hillary clinton. something that seems to have come out of this is some sense insubordination may be used for james comey. some of the pregame indicated he
will be criticized. and there is plenty of evidence that he operated outside the norm. >> is this a possibly bad representational game for james comey, or could there be actual teeth or consequences in this ig report? >> i think it would just be a representational matter. andrew mccabe has a much more serious problem. he was accused of making false statements in the ig. and his matter has been referred to the u. s. attorneys' office for possible prosecution. i'm not aware of anything involving comey's behavior that would rise to that level. but the issue of -- you know, he has made himself out as an oral arbiter. he has written this successful book talking about his interest in morality and, you know, some people find him somewhat sapbgt money kwrous on the subject.
if the inspector general, who is considered a neutral arbiter, criticizes his behavior, i think that will be really embarrassing. i think it will only be embarrassing. >> it doesn't mean the president fired james comey because of the hillary clinton e-mail probe. but that still stretches the imagination a little bit. we'll see. thanks so much. the president still talking about his great relationship with one of the world's most brutal dictators and brushing aside kim jong-un's human rights record and even justifying the record. why he thinks he is just a tough guy. that's next. her salon was booked for weeks,
country, tough country, tough people, and you take it over from your father, if you can do that at 27 years old, i mean, that's 1 in 10,000 that can do that. she's a smart guy. he's a great negotiator. >> you he has still done some bad things. >> but he's still done some very bad things. >> yeah but so have other people have done some really bad things. i can go through nations where really bad things were being done. with all that said, the answer is yes. joining us now is joe lockhart rick santorum. senator, thank you so much for being with us. the president seemed to be to be saying, yeah, maybe he killed people, maybe he had people executed, but it was tough coming into office as a young man. the president seems to be
discussing it. am i reading it wrong? >> yeah, i think you are. the president a few months ago was referring to him as rocket man, every conceivable horrible thick thing in the book about kim jong-un. now we see a completely different side. it is consistent with the strategy that the president deployed. the strategy is to engage north korea, to befriend him. donald trump believes he can bring him into his sphere and work his magic and be able to get concessions and get north korea to come and play ball with him. and he believes that. and he is going to use tactics, which is what you have seen here to ingratiate himself with kim jong-un, with the goal of trying to get a verifiable nuclear deal with them that they will comply with. yeah. i think if that doesn't work, i
think in two months or two years, whatever the case may be, you'll see donald trump rip the guy a new one. so it all depends where donald trump is at that particular time. >> you think it is that simple? verified wasn't in the language in the document they signed. but, joe, do you think that using this type of language for a guy who had people executed, his brother, 100,000 people in gulags, the starvation of the people there, you think that is tactic that might bear fruit? >> i think the least reassuring thing is we will just see where donald trump's head is. this is more than a tactic. he's vouching for kim. he's saying it's okay to imprison 100,000 people. it's okay to persecute people on religious grounds. it's okay to kill people because, trust me, i've got this. and this isn't the first time. remember in the campaign when he was asked about putin. >> we don't have to remember. we can watch it right here.
>> do you respect putin? >> i do respect him. >> do you? why? >> well, i respect a lot of people, but that doesn't mean i'm going to get along with him. he's a leader of his country. i say it's better to get along with russia than not. >> putin is a killer. >> a lot of killers. a lot of killers. do you think our country is so innocent? >> he's putting the u.s. on the same level as russia, putin goes out in other countries and assassinates. he's telling america it's okay that kim does this. we get numb to some of the outrages. we shouldn't be numb to this one. >> foreign relations is something you focused for a long time. are you able to vouch for him? are you comfortable talking about kim in these terms? >> no, of course not. i would never say those things about kim jong-un or anybody of that nature. >> why not? why wouldn't you, senator, say
those things? >> well, because i don't believe in my ability to befriend somebody and be able to convince them to do this. but here's what i would say about donald trump. donald trump is obviously a very different leader for this country. and has done things in a very unorthodox way. i know a lot of people hate to admit it, has been successful beyond what people have imagined. no one thought he would win this race. no one thought he would be able to get the things done in washington that he has done. he has an unorthodox way of doing it. you have to chalk this up to this is an incredibly unusual president that uses tactics we have never seen -- >> if you're a dictator in another country and you see the president using language like this, what are you supposed to think? >> you're supposed to think that is a matter of the -- i hate to say it -- almost of of
convenience. >> no way. you sit there saying i would think president trump has no problem with this. president trump just said, hey, if i come into office, i have to be tough. i have to suppress my people like this. the president just gave a green like to dictators. >> i don't think so. i think what the president is doing is trying to befriend the leader of north korea, trying to create a relationship, trying to create a relationship of trust between them. and he's saying things that i find frankly disturbing. but i think he's doing it in an attempt to try to get a deal. i would not do that, but that's what i think the president is doing. >> while he is talk anything flattering terms about kim, he says the real enemy is not this person who executed people and put 100,000 people in gulags, the real enemy is the american press. so funny to watch fake news, especially nbc and cnn. they are fighting hard to down
play the deal with north korea. 500 days agriculture they would have begged for this deal-looked like war would break out. our country's biggest enemy is the fake news so easily promulgated by fools. but our biggest enemy is the fake news. not kim, not putin. >> again, we get numb to the outrages and here is another one. he is fundamentally undermining american institutions to short short-term political goals. not national goals, his own goals. fbi is suffering severe damage because of what he's doing. the press. these are things our country is built on. you put all of these things together and he is saying, there's not much difference between north korea and the united states. it is all toward an authoritarian government. it is damaging. it will have long-term damage.
it is dangerous. >> what about what san fortorum saying. it is working on the international stage. >> as kellyanne con famously said, alternative facts. there are no alternative facts. when the u.s. government says one thing and the north korean government says another thing. who is the american public going to believe? we have 65%, 70% of the american public who do not trust a word out of his mouth. and that's a problem. >> you can see it trickle down inside the cab knelt and other u.s. officials. secretary of state pompeo was asked about the issue of verification when it comes to the nuclear discussions, which is crucial, i know you know is crucial. when he was pressed on it, he
got indignant. he said they were insulting, ludicro ludicrous. questions about verification aren't insulting, are they, senator? >> no. but i think the idea that there would not be a verification and secretary pompeo doesn't know is insulting. >> but you need specifics. it is not insulting to ask for specifics on verification. it's crucial. >> at this point i think when you're really just at a high-level discussion as to what the goals of the agreement are, yeah, to get into the details at this point is probably way ahead of schedule. i want to comment on the media thing here. i agree donald trump's statements, the statements from
the administration criticizing the press are beyond the pale. but i would say the media has some blame here too. both the coverage of this president and the negativity directed at this prison, as well as the president's response to that negativity have both been disruptive. >> a couple of pretty good guys on occasion. thank you for being here with me. alisyn? one year ago today we talked to congressman mo brooks moments after a shooting during a baseball practice with congressional republicans. now they're taking to the field again and congressman mo brooks is going to join us live with his thoughts on that day. sleep disturbances keep one in three adults up at night. only remfresh uses ion-powered melatonin to deliver up to seven hours of sleep support.
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block, i see a rifle. >> that was congressman mo brooks. he took us moment by moment on "new day" through the shocking scene that he was witnessing. don't, one year later, democrats and republicans will play their annual congressional baseball game again. joining us now is republican mo brooks. good morning, congressman. >> good morning. >> congressman, i don't think any of us will forget your composure that morning as you took us just moment by moment through the chaos that was unfolding around you. when you think back to that day a year ago, what are your thoughts? >> well, i'm probably like everybody else who went through it. it is a little bit emotional just going through that clip.
hopefully it's behind us and will never happen again. this morning it is a beautiful day for baseball. i hope we will have 10,000 show up in the stands. it raised $1.8 million for local charities. so we're looking forward to a spirited game. the democrats will be a little bit nicer to us. the senator out of new orleans who played college ball is still young enough to have some of his stuff. >> that was not nice of them to beat you guys. but congressman -- >> no. they were very kin to us after thathooting until the ball game started. the first pitch they just pounded us. >> we talked about thankfully how steve scalise survived, how he is recovering. but emotionally speaking, it does sound like all of you still carry a lot of scars from day.
>> certainly you have the memory of it. as you can imagine, it was unpleasant, to put it mildly. but we've moved on. i've done my best to move on. quite frankly, very few people ask me about it anymore. it's a year ago. it's old news. we tried to move forward. security has been excellent. i don't think anyone feels that we're at risk of being under another attack, at least under the circumstances where we cannot defend ourselves. emotionally and mentally we're ready for a good ball game. last year's game, if i recall correctly. >> the day after the shooting. the fbi impounded our equipment as evidence. if you'll forgive me for a moment, go grisham tigers! that's the team i played for back in high school. >> that's so great. that's wonderful. well, look, i bet there will be
tens of thousands that turn out to cheer all of you on. let's move on, you and i. congressman, who do you consider to be the biggest enemy of the united states? >> i'm going to do it a little bit different than most people in the media focus on. i think our biggest threat from a national security standpoint is our deficit and debt. that is consistent with what our current secretary of defense has stated, our current chair of the joint chiefs of staff. it is consistent with what mike mullin under barack obama stated. if we lose our ability to pay for our national defense, which is what happens when you go into absolvensy in bankruptcy. if you want me to point my finger around the globe, i'm not sure i can say one any worse than the other. you have to worry about russia, china, iran. and you have to worry about
various terrorist elements that are around the planet. they would love to do damage to the united states of america. hopefully north korea, which has been up there particularly with the publicity, hopefully that's diminished somewhat. >> do you think the threat is over? do you agree that the nuclear threat from north korea is now over? >> well, i'm not confident that it was the kind of threat it was hyped up to be. i'm confident that the north korean leadership wants to lift. they know we would incinerate their country and they would die. the doctrine is a deterrent. it prevented a nuclear exchange between china and the united states, soviet union, now russia and the united states. there haven't been any nuclear devices that have exploded since 1945. >> as you know, kim jong-un was
testing his stuff. you think that was overblown? do you agree with the president that the nuclear threat is now over? >> well, again, with the doctrine, i don't think it was as great as was perceived to be by people in the media was hyped up. do i think it's 100% gone, no. we still need to worry about it. we need the inspectors at fort greeley, alaska. to me the greatest long-term threat of a nuclear exchange is iran because iran will have missile capability and nuclear weapons sometime in the future, 10, 15 years, whatever the agreement with obama permit. at that point in time if you control of that, they are willing to die in that nuclear exchange. that's more troublesome.
i'm concerned that the doctrine does not work against people who are willing to give up their own lives in the name of their religious beliefs. >> so iran is a danger. do you think that the press is the greatest enemy of the u.s.? >> well, i'm a conservative and i'm a republican. certainly the news media, particularly at the national level, is a challenge for us who hold beliefs. >> would you ever call cnn an enemy? >> i would call cnn, and most people in the media who have left leading bents, a political foe. they tend to be aligned with the democrats. versus the republicans. so they're a political foe. would i call them an enemy of our country? that's not the verbiage i would use. >> the president tweeted out -- >> alisyn. >> let me say it. i won't read the whole thing.
the media and the press are our country's biggest enemy so easily promulgated by fools. the reason that i ask you this, congressman, is just because i remember last year after the tragedy there on the baseball diamond we talked about how we were all going to make an effort to come together and show more unity and build bridges. i'm just wondering if that kind of language accomplishes that. >> alisyn, i consider you awe friend, not an enemy. but when it comes to politics, and i don't know how you vote, i would expect you're a little bit more liberal than i am from the state of alabama. >> how do you know that? and why does it matter? why does it matter how you vote or how i vote? why are we enemies if we vote differently? why do we have to assume things about each other? >> to me enemy is the word you
use in a death row kind of combat. nazi germany and the united states. imperialist japan and the united states. >> why say that about the press? >> i would use it more as a political foe. that's the language that i would tend to feel more comfortable with. it's like the democrats are on the baseball field. we can be friendly outside the confines of the house floor. and we off are. even though we vote opposite each other. clearly we are political foes in the political arena because we have different belief systems worpt to socialism, free enterprise, open borders. >> everybody understands there are differences. i guess i'm just saying are you comfortable with the president calling the press the biggest enemy of the u.s.? >> president trump has a way of using hyperbole in order to
change strategic advantage. he has a strategy and thought process behind the words that he uses. quite frankly, he has been fairly successful at it. i'm not one to challenge him in the hyperbole that he uses to achieve the kind of goals he tries to achieve for the country. it might be different from my style. obviously his style works. he's president of the united states. >> well, do you think it's damaging? >> it just works. we just had a meeting with north korea. who would have thought it that peace talks would break out between the united states and north korea. he has a strategy behind the terms he uses. it could just be he's a whole lot of smarter than i am with those types of words that i don't use but he does. we have seen it with success with north korea. i hope it will be peace breaking out on the korean peninsula. >> i understand. but do you think it's damaging to call the free press in the united states the enemy?
>> i don't think he was using that term in the kind of mortal combat way that some people would perceive it. but in terms of the belief system that the president of the united states has and the -- unfortunately the news media, as you know, you tend to be under a five or ten-minute news cycle where it used to be 24 hours. the homework that used to be done say 30, 40 years ago before the advent of the internet was much more thorough and the news media was much more accurate. now the hour-long news cycle, the homework is not done and too many mistakes are made. i'm not going to get into this. >> congressman, i wish that you could be here at 4:00 a.m. >> i'm going to play baseball today. >> i understand. look, i wish you could be here at 4:00 a.m. to watch all the homework that we are all doing, all of our producers who come in at hid midnight for hours and
hours to prepare for every one of our selling thes. >> i'm sure you do that. >> we do. we are fact-based. we button up our research as much as possible. and i is just wanted to ask you about all of that. i remember the high hopes you had and so many colleagues that it would be a new day after the tragedy last year and there would be some bridge building. so i do think it is important a year later to see where we are with everything. we have heard your perspective. we do wish you the best of luck. obviously we will be watching tonight. we're just happy that everybody will be back healthy. >> alisyn, it will be a new day if the republicans beat the democrats in the congressional baseball game tonight. pwhou that? >> great. and we will look forward to you recording a promo for new "new day" on that topic. congressman, thanks so much. >> thank you, alisyn. good to be able to speak to you again. >> you can tell where his head
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question. christine romans in the money center. >> good morning. the federal reserve hiked short-term interest rates for the second time this year and pencilled in four total rate hikes this year up from three. the economy's doing well. most people who want jobs are finding them. unemployment is low. inflation is healthy and the fed chief jarome powell says this move will only help. >> we think that gradually returning interest rates to a more normal level as the economy strengthens is the best way the fed can help sustain an environment in which american households and businesses can thrive. >> translation, the economy is strong enough to withstand hiring borrowing cost without choking off growth. higher rates on auto loans, mortgages, credit cards and for wall street, stocks fell, two reasons higher borrowing costs could eat into corporate profits and the fact that powell now plans to hold news conferences and after every fed meeting,
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another controversy involving epa chief scott pruitt. pruitt used one of his aides to ask republican donors to find his wife a job. joining us now is the former director of the office of government ethics walter schaub. another day, another episode of what did scott pruitt do now? what is he thinking? >> there seems to be no bottom
to this ethics catastrophe with scott pruitt. he just keeps expanding the list of ethics violations and nobody's doing anything about it. you can't even pretend there's an ethics program any more when you got him running around inventing new ways to violate ethics rules. in no other administration would this man still have his job. >> he's the scroll of things he's done. you need a magnifying glass in order to read these. there's so many of them. he rent this had room from well below market price, he was constantly dining at the white house mess hall until they had to ask him to eat someplace else. it was not supposed to be for him. he used an aide to inquire about a chick-fil-a business opportunity. he spent nearly $3.5 million of the taxpayer dollars on his security detail, first class travel, though, they have
released no security threat as far as we know when asked. there are no credible threats. i could go on and on but it's only a three hour show. when you say that nobody's doing anything, what can be done about scott pruitt? >> well, for one thing the president could fire him, which is what would have happened in any past administration or congress could put some effort into conducting any kind of oversight at all. there was a recent hearing in the past couple weeks where pruitt went and testified and his fans on the committee were disingenuously claiming that any complaints about scott pruitt are necessarily partisan but the only thing partisan going on here is their intense defense of him because just look at that scroll. it's mind-boggling. i have never seen anything like this with the sheer number of violations. scott pruitt just seems to be fundamentally unfit for public service and i'm sure there are plenty of other candidates who
would have been as equally enthusiastic about deregulation as him. so there's nothing partisan about this because the president can just replace him with somebody who has the same views, but it would be nice if he'd find somebody who isn't just a serial ethics violator. >> that wasn't on a loop. we weren't repeating any of that. those are all individual line item ethical violations. so even some, you know, vocal people in conservative media now such as laura ingraham on fox are calling him out. pruitt bad judgment hurting the president, got to go. she says. is this what's finally going to tip the scales? >> i hope so. we saw this week a few conservative outlets finally speaking up. i don't know why they're so late to the party, because, again, you ca eily find somebody incling his deputy administrator who will have same views. it seems that the white house
has no interest in government ethics. it's just simply irrelevant and that of course was my experience with them when i was leading the office of government ethics and it's why i had to finally resign, because this white house is not only indifferent, it's actually hostile to government ethics and the president's allies in congress, again, are sabotaging any efforts to address pruitt's violations by labeling it partisan. >> okay. speaking of ethics, jared and ivanka. the report is they've made $82 million in outside income in this first year that they have served in the white house as the president's top advisers. is that okay? >> well, i mean, i don't know how they find any time to do their jobs when they're making so much money on the outside. a decision was made when they came in to let them keep all of these assets and the reason that decision was made was nepotism. there's a reason we have nepotism laws and all of these assets that he holds -- jared
kushner in particular are of a nature that present significant potential for conflicts of interest. you don't just go to a bank and take out a mortgage to build a sky scrapper. you need infusions of cash from outside sources and that makes him vulnerable to foreign governments and businesses or intelligence agencies discovered last year that at least four foreign governments were plot to go use his financial interest to manipulate him and many of his financial interests are connected to entities and governments in the middle east where he's supposedly in charge of a middle east peace plan. the bottom line is, if you're going to break with tradition, commit nepotism, you've got to engage in transparency where you tell us the true nature of your interests and what you're assignments are and they're just not doing that. >> walter schaub, we are very grateful for your expertise in all of this and that you are attempting to keep everyone honest here.
thank you. we will talk to you again. >> thanks. we're following a lot of news, so let's get right to it. >> all of us know he shouldn't testify unless we get everything we want. >> president trump's lawyers plotting their next moves as michael cohen splits with his legal team. >> this looks to me like it's moving in a directionf cooperation. he agrment made very clear that this would be the >> think we understand each other. >> the president needs to understand who a threat is and who are friends are. >> we'll see what the report says. so that will be maybe a nice birthday present. >> the justice department's inspector general report on the clinton email probe to be released today. >> i think it will reassure the american people that some of the concerns that have been raised are not true. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> oh, it's going to be a big one. >> oh, yeah? >> i'm talking about -