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though? >> no. it is not going to work and the reason it is not going to work is because the majority of american people are -- do not want to see families broken up like this, and that's pushing republicans in the corner where they're actually going to do something about it. >> republicans control everything. >> we're out of time, tara, joe, nice to have you both. thanks for being here. thank you, all, for joining us for all of the breaking news this morning. i'm poppy harlow in new york. have a great weekend. my colleague kate bolduan picks it up right now. hello, i'm kate bolduan. it was like a friday morning trump tweet storm, minus the twitter today. president trump holding somewhat of an impromptu press conference in front of the white house about, well, everything. from the justice department, inspector general report, a horror show in his words, to the controversy over children and parents being separated at the border, the democrats' fault in his words, to north korea's nukes, problem solved, in his words. so let's get to it.
a lot of fact checking and gut checking needed today. the ig report, the president slamming its conclusion that there was no evidence that bias impacted the conclusion of the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. but, donald trump also says the report proves he and his campaign did nothing wrong. >> the report yesterday may be more importantly than anything it exonerates me. there was no collusion. there was no obstruction. and if you read the report, you'll see that. >> are you going to -- >> what you'll really -- excuse me, wait, wait, wait. what you'll really see is you'll see bias against me and millions and tens of millions of my followers and i think that the mueller investigation has been totally discredited. >> cnn's ryan nobles is at the white house. ryan, you take it from here. >> reporter: first, let's point out that this was really unprecedented what the president did today to walk out to the north lawn, where reporters are stationed, something that presidents don't ever do.
he had a lot to say this morning, in particular about this inspector general report and what is interesting about the president's take on that inspector general report is that while he disagrees with its overall conclusion, there are aspects of it that he thinks supports his belief that he should be exonerated in the russia probe. let's first touch on this idea that the president disagrees with the overall conclusion. let's listen to his point of view on that. >> the end result was wrong. there was total bias. you look at peter strzok and what he said about me, when you look at comey, i guess, you know, interesting, pretty good report and then i say that the ig blew it at the very end with that statement. you read the report, it was almost like comey, he goes point after point about how guilty hillary is. and then he said, but we're not going to do anything about it. the report, the ig report was a horror show. i thought that one sentence of conclusion was ridiculous.
>> reporter: so he disagrees with the overall conclusion and that overall conclusion specifically says that while there were errors made by the department of justice, by the fbi, that those errors were not made as a result of a political bias. as you heard the president there, he specifically pointed to the text messages between lisa page and peter strzok he says shows this demonstration of political bias. the president is taking it one step further when he argues that that exonerates him in the russia probe. it is important to point out, kate, this inspector general report has nothing to do with the mueller probe, it is all about the investigation into hillary clinton's e-mails, so the president taking a step further perhaps than is warranted. kate? >> taking liberties perhaps we should say, ryan, great to see you, thanks so much. joining me to discuss this and always a whole lot more, republican senator lindsey graham of south carolina. thank you for coming in. >> good morning, thank you. >> what ryan was talking about, the conclusion of the ig report, the president today said that it was ridiculous, and that the ig blew it on the overall
conclusion. did the ig blow it in your mind? >> ask me after we talk to him on monday. i want to give him a chance to tell us why he believes that, he'll get challenged and i'll let you know monday after the hearing. >> from what you've seen in the report, the evidence they laid out, bad actors, people did bad things, comey messed up, peter strzok definitely messed up, they didn't see bias in the overall conclusion. >> i'll why he concluded that. >> you are open to the possibility you don't agree with the ig's report? >> i think he'll be challenged about his conclusion. i think he's a good guy. and we'll see what happens monday. i'll tell you better after i hear him explain why he got to where he did. >> the president maybe -- was the president jumping the gun? >> i think the president looked at this report and said, what more do you need to show bias and i'm in a different lane here, i'm in a different business, my job is to provide oversight to the department of
justice, i respect mr. horowitz, let him explain to us why he reached that conclusion and we'll see what happens. i think most people will take from this, particularly the republicans to be honest with you, the institution investigating president trump took a real blow here. there is nothing in this report about whether or not he colluded with russians, haven't seen any evidence of collusion. >> nothing in the report that gets to that point. >> not what the report is about. the people showing bias against the president were part of the initial russia investigation. but you'll be kidding yourself if you think this doesn't do a lot of damage to the institutions that are now looking at the president. this gives a full look at what the deep state looks like. >> but with this report, there is not a deep state.
overall conclusion -- >> i've been saying there is not a deep state, i look at this, and i see the people are cond t conducting an investigation of one political candidate versus the other, seemed to have a very not just a political opinion, but a motivation. so that's why we'll have the hearing. this doesn't -- this is not the mueller investigation. they didn't look at whether or not trump colluded. what did they find? they found that the people that started the investigation were completely in the tank for clinton, hated trump. >> not all of them. >> no, not all. >> talking about bob mueller. >> i'm sure there are a lot of fbi agents that don't share this, but strzok was in the investigation early on of russia. here is the point you got to get. just back up. >> okay. >> the institutions have been crippled. >> crippled? >> absolutely.
if you don't believe that the average american is going to think that the fbi is far more political than they ever believed, that's crazy. >> is christopher wray all wrong when he says the institution is strong? >> i don't -- i think the institution has got a lot of problems. look at all of the interacts between people in washington at the fbi and reporters and, you know, the best way to investigate washington is not do it from washington. what have i learned? the fbi's footprint if washington needs to be reduced. there is too much of a potomac fever attitude. i'm shocked. i didn't buy into this stuff. that, you know, all these people are out to get trump. there is enough evidence now to prove to me that the fbi needs to be looked at really closely. >> what does that mean? you're on judiciary. this is a big threat coming from you. >> it is not a threat. it is a promise. it is a promise we're never going to -- j. edgar hoover's spirit is alive and well in some corners of the fbi.
remember the -- >> wait a second. you like christopher wray. >> yeah. i like him a lot. i voted for him. >> you don't think he can clean things up? >> i think if the fbi director is telling the country everything is fine here, he should have confidence in the fbi, he's going to have a tough sell. >> i got to talk to you ibm graci about immigration. makes big changes to legal immigration. do you support this in concept? >> yeah, i voted for every form of immigration known to mankind. >> senator, the president this morning blames democrats for the fact they haven't been able to reach a deal. blames democrats for the fact that families are being separated at the border for -- i'll play what he said, listen. >> the democrats by the way are very weak on immigration. if you notice when i came over, they were all saying about separating the families. and that's a democrat bill. that's democrats wanting to do
that and they could solve it very easily by getting together. they think it is a good election point. i think it is a horrible election point for them. >> he says democrats were to blame for not having a deal, but then he also said he will not sign this deal. so who is holding this up? >> i think the democrats had 60 votes in the senate, big majority in the house in the first year of president obama's term and did nothing about immigration. >> talk about now. talk about now. now there is a real -- >> plenty of blame to go around. president trump could stop this policy with a phone call. >> he doesn't seem to acknowledge that. >> he can't. i'll go tell him. if you don't like families being separated, tell dhs to stop doing it. here is the problem. >> wait, what does that say? they keep saying it is the law, it is the law, it is the law, it is the law. >> he didn't think democrats are working in good faith with him. >> is this another one of those never let a good crisis go. >> i think both parties are looking at it that way a bit. i'm trying to solve a problem. the jails are full of people.
if you got a problem with putting somebody in jail, who's a parent, the jails are full. >> but it is different. you're talking about fish-- it single parent home -- we're talking about just a regular joe schmo. >> where are these kids taken to? >> an abandoned walmart? >> they're in the custody of the united states. >> you don't think this is okay what is happening? >> i think this is a terrible situation i'd like to fix. let's not talk about parents being separated from their children because they commit crimes. that happens every day. what i'd like to do is have a rational legal immigration system so people don't come here illegally, they can come here and go back to where they live. >> the president says he thinks it is horrible. he says he thinks it is horrible that parents and children are
being separated. >> always horrible. horrible when somebody goes to jail with children. >> is this unnecessary? >> i think -- here's what i think. i think if you don't tell people you're going to be serious about enforcing the laws, you'll get more of it. you know what would be necessary is to fix it. i'm disappointed that the president said he wouldn't support the house bill. i'm very disappointed we couldn't get -- >> i get it. he's playing politics, right? everybody's playing politics. the president could fix this with a phone call, you said. >> yeah, but that just incentivizes more illegal immigration. >> are you sure? >> yeah, i'm sure. i'm sure that people are going to be less likely to bring their kids to america if they get separated than if they lived together and get released into the country. i'm real sure about that. but here's what i'm really sure about. our system is broken. and democrats and republicans ought to fix it. >> you fix the crisis right now, this one issue -- fix this crisis right now and also continue the discussion about
something you've been fighting for for i don't even know. >> ten years. >> for ten years now. it is not going to be fixed in two weeks. we're heading into a midterm, we're talking like raw politics here. >> let's take this crisis. and see if we can find something good for border security and good for daca and stop separating families. but also stop incentivizing people to bring their kids. let's see if we can do that. maybe something goodwill come from this. >> can you trust the words coming out of donald trump's mouth? i ask this because he mischaracterizes what is coming out of the ig report. he mischaracterizes what is happening at the border separating families. can you trust the words that come out of his mouth. >> i think from -- here's what i think. i'm trusting as much as obama. obama told me stuff i didn't believe. >> that's a low bar for you. >> pretty low. here's what i would say about the president and the words coming out of his mouth. he thinks he's turned a corner,
we'll see. time will tell. he thinks he has. i hope he has. >> stick around. that's our next topic. talking about exactly that. north korea coming up next. president trump just said solved the north korean problem. is it already done? lindsey graham will weigh in on that and discuss the path forward now. the markets are now turning red after the trump administration hits china with new tariffs and china vows to retaliate. stay with us. ♪ oh, look...
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problem solved. talk to you sunday and call if you have any questions. that's how president trump described the north korea threat today and where things stand now after the summit. watch this. >> i have solved that problem. we're getting it memorialized and all. but that problem is largely solved and part of the reason is we signed, number one, a very good document, but you know what, more importantly than the document, more importantly than
the document, i have a good relationship with kim jong-un. that's a very important thing. i can now -- wait, i can now say, well, we have a problem, i told him, i gave him a very direct number. he can now call me if he has any difficulty. i can call him. >> i went there, i gave him considerable ty. i thi i think it is great to give him credibility. >> he solved the problem. do you see -- do you believe that at all? >> i don't believe -- i believe we're better off today than we were two years ago. >> solved the problem is much further than we -- >> when the nuclear weapons are gone, when the regime stops threatening its -- the world and killing its own people, we solved the problem. we're not there yet. i hope we can be. the problem is not solved until they give up their weapons. >> when do words matter? that's what i ask? words will matter a lot to kim jong-un. the words matter that were on the communique for kim jong-un. when do words matter here?
>> here is where we're at. this is going to end really well or really badly. the status quo is over. can you imagine what would happen if kim jong-un went to his old way of doing business? trump would have to attack. he's put himself if a box, both of them have. the worst thing kim jong-un could do is tell trump to his face i'm going to give up my nuclear weapons and play him because if you do that, you're going to get fire and fury. >> at the same time, you have trump saying kim jong-un loves his people and when asked about the fact that kim jong-un, about being a killer, he says kim jong-un has to be tough, he got the job when he was young. i'm paraphrasing, not too far off. i want to play for you how he addressed it. watch this. >> you've spoken so passionately about the circumstances that led to otto warmbier's death. and the same breath you're defending now kim jong-un's human rights record. how can you do that? >> you know why? because i don't want to see a nuclear weapon destroy you and
your family. >> by the way, you declared the nuclear threat from north korea is over. >> i don't want to see a nuclear weapon destroy you and your family. >> is that okay? >> i think that is the most honest answer he could give. remember world war ii, josef stalin, we sent him tanks and planes and he was our key ally in defeating hitler. i don't think churchill and roosevelt went to uncle joe every day and said, hey, why don't you -- >> i hear you. i think people would give the president leeway and not beating the drum of human rights aabuses every time he talks to him in order to keep him at the table. but going as far as to justify kim murdering his people, how can you -- >> i don't take it that way. i think what the president is trying to tell this lady is i got a chance to do something rally good and he's going to use his negotiating skills. >> let me play that trump said
about sanctions. >> at what point do the sanctions come off of north korea? >> when we can be sure that there will be no more nuclear. >> how close are we to that? >> very close to getting it started. >> are you clear at all then where the line is, where the bar is, what the standard is for removing sanctions? >> i talked to pompeo. i have a pretty good idea what we're talking about. we're not going to take maximum pressure off. i worry about the chinese beginning to double deal. for the last 90 to 120 days, the chinese and the russians are undercutting the maximum pressure campaign. so some advice to the president. do what you need to do to end this well so we don't have a war, make the world safer, protect the homeland from a missile. china and russia are beginning to undercut you, you need to read them the riot act. >> on russia, he was asked about on vladimir putin, the president
today blamed president obama for the annexation of crimea and said it very forcefully because russia lost obama didn't have russia's respect and so awe bobs to blame. clearly that's not accurate. that's not true. if that's where his head is, though, do you have any hope of convincing him that putin is a bad guy? >> you hold him responsible for everything that happened in the world. the reason the world is so screwed up is obama was weak and i'm strong. >> when you're president, what happens is on your shoulders. >> what i suggest to the president that putin took crimea in spite of the world's opposition, not just obama, what are you going to do about putin in syria? >> on all of this. i ask, when can you -- when can you trust the words coming out of his mouth. he says this, his administration has been putting sanctions on russia for the annexation of crimea. i don't understand, words no longer matter.
>> all i can tell you is from president's point of view, he's got a style that is unique to him, what i'm looking at is results. are we able to push russia and iran out of syria to give syria back to the syrian people, not become a puppet of iran and proxy of russia. that's a big test for this president. can we find a way to have a breakthrough in terms of russians misbehavior. what do you do about the interference in the 2018 election? >> you went from -- i'll sum it up, hating him, making fun of him, finding peace, trying to work with him, where you can work with him, then comes out and hits you again on whatever he decided to do on a given day, do you trust him now? >> i trust the president. >> trust but verify with him. >> not about trusting the -- i like the president. i trust him in terms of trying to do things that are big and
matter. here's what i've got. i've got a relationship with the president at a time when i think he needs allies. >> but if people say this is two-faced, where is the lindsey dw graham of standing up to donald trump, what do you say? >> i'll tell him when i think he's wrong. let me tell you about the critics. when i worked with president obama and i did on occasion, i was a hero. when i worked with president trump, i'm two-faced. i know how the game is played. i don't give a damn. i'm doing what's best for the country. i like the president. i want to help him. i hope he's successful. he's been a friend to me. and he says some things i don't agree with. if you don't like me working with president trump to make the world a better place, i don't give a -- >> and there you have it. senator graham. we have breaking news we'll get to this morning, cnn learning president trump's personal attorney michael cohen is indicating he's willing to cooperate with federal prosecutors. he's feeling trump and his
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breaking news. two people facing serious legal trouble of their own. the president's long time personal attorney michael cohen could be moving closer to flipping and working with prosecutors. this as former trump campaign chairman paul manafort is in court today fighting to stay out of jail as prosecutors argue that manafort is a danger to the community. joining me now, cnn reporter kara scannell and shimon prokupecz. first, to you what are you hearing about manafort in court? >> he's in court today on new charges of -- for obstruction, for perhaps witness tampering in this case. and what we're told is from my good friend evan perez, my colleague there in court, that the prosecutors are calling manafort a danger to the
community that he committed a crime while on release. they say this is significant, the prosecutor is saying, they're arguing in court that he sustained a campaign of over five weeks using different phones and apps, remember, some allegations that he was using encrypted apps to mold testimony of witnesses, he was reaching out to witnesses to try and ask them for favorable testimony. this is significant in that prosecutors are now arguing that paul manafort should go back to jail because of this, the judge has taken a break, and we expect to have a decision perhaps maybe within the next hour, kate. >> all right. shimon, we'll come back to you with all of that. it seems like there is a lot more to come. to kara, when it comes to michael cohen, what are you learning? >> right, kate, we're learning today that michael cohen is saying he's willing to cooperate with federal prosecutors who are investigating him according to a source familiar with the matter.
and part of this is to try to alleviate some of the pressure on him and his family. we also have learned that one issue here is that cohen has become angry of this person and the source tells us about the treatment he's received from the president and rudy giuliani, the president's new lawyer, and some of the comments and statements that they have made. and this is all made cohen feel isolated and more willing to cooperate. >> fascinating and maybe a big message from michael cohen and those around him. thank you very much. with me to discuss this, former federal prosecutor shan wu. let's start with michael cohen. why do you think this is leaking out, willingness, openness, isolated, is this part of a strategy? >> i definitely think it is part of his strategy. this has been generally an extraordinary case where so many of the witnesses are communicating via the media, trying to get the president's attention. absolutely i think it is part of the strategy. >> and paul manafort in court,
just some of the quotes handed to me from evan perez, in the courtroom, that the judge is saying that -- the judge is calling -- sorry prosecutors arguing he's a danger to the community and he committed a crime while out on release. the defense attorney saying this will not happen again. is that a good enough defense to keep him out of prison? >> it might have been before they indicted him. i think the indictment presents a very serious problem for manafort and i'm relying on public information, nothing to do with my prior representations. this is part of a pattern of enormous pressure that the special counsel is exerting on manafort and the fact that they have now gone and indicted him makes this a very tough road for him to go uphill against that trend. he's indicted for the crime that is going to be a problem for this judge, i think. >> if he -- if bail is revoked,
he's sent back, sent to jail, does that give some indication coming from the judge of what direction this is all headed from manafort? >> not necessarily. the judge is strictly ruling on the question of his release conditions and it is important to keep in mind that this is one of the longest running bail proceedings in history, i think, for a white collar crime. they still haven't resolved it, they dangled it like a carrot in front of him, he's not really free to move about at the moment. that -- those conditions were never fully set. and now potentially going to get even worse because even if she doesn't revoke him, put him in jail, a big disadvantage for the preparation of his defense, certainly likely to put more restrictive conditions on him than he already has. >> a fascinating element to it, even if he stays out, it could be a problem. good to see you. stand by. let's see what happens when the court gets back in there. great to see you. coming up, wall street taking a hit as the trump administration unleashes new tariffs on china and as china of
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the markets taking a hit now after a big announcement from president trump. he made good on his threat to impose a 25% tariff on $50 billion of chinese exports. china now says it is a trade war. president trump says this. >> the trade war was started many years ago by them, and the united states lost. >> you're saying we're on the losing end? >> there is no trade war. they have taken so much. last year $375 billion in trade deficit. we had a -- with china. we had overall $800 billion over a period of years, each year close to $800 billion in losses
on trade. not going to happen anymore. not going to happen. >> cnn's paula newton is joining me now from the new york stock exchange. now the question is, what is china going to do about this. >> if you're a farmer in iowa, you pretty much know what is going to happen because the rumors are that, it will hit the agriculture sector, most specifically there are other things on the list, though, things like manufacturing goods. the problem is the farmers are starting to see the relationship with their largest export market change and that's a problem. it is going to be interesting to see how this shakes out economically and politically. the president's statement this morning, kate, he said, look, if china retaliates, it said it will, we'll come back at this. that means game on, it is a trade war. now it is true that the president does see this as a negotiating tactic and believes that this will give the united states the upper hand. and really rectify what he sees as decades of missteps on trading relationships. that does not help if you're a
corn farmer, pork producer, soybean farmer and manufacturing. one of the reasons we're seeing the market down today is things like boeing down 2%, caterpillar at one point almost down 3%. look at the big board now, we're below that psychological 25,000 points. this is -- these are the lowest we have seen since the market opened a few hours ago. it is still a bit of a calm reaction here, the escalation that everybody is worried about. >> we'll see what happens next. thank you so much. coming up, blame the democrats. that's what president trump is saying about a trump administration policy separating children from their parents as who crossed the border illegally. we're going to separate fact from fiction on this. that's next. almost $800 when we switched our auto and home insurance. with liberty, we could afford a real babysitter instead of your brother. hey! oh, that's my robe. is it? when you switch to liberty mutual,
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this is cnn breaking news. we do have breaking news with regard to paul manafort, heading into court today, prosecutors wanted to send him to jail, he wanted to stay out. shimon prokupecz has the breaking news. not good for paul manafort, shimon. >> reporter: absolutely not. word from the court that the judge has revoked paul manafort's bail, she is sending him to jail, to await his trial, which is supposed to start -- expected to start in about a month and a half or so. absolutely not good news and nothing that certainly paul manafort wanted in this case. but it is now, you know, a matter of whether -- when this goes to trial. he is expected now to spend some time in jail as we await trial.
prosecutors had argued in court just within the last hour that manafort sort of went on this sustained campaign for over five weeks while he's been out on house arrest, using different phones, and apps, some of them encrypted, to try and communicate with witnesses to sort of get them to mold testimony to his favor. obviously the judge clearly word from my colleague, evan perez, in that courtroom that the judge was extremely unhappy about this. that he would go ahead and do this, and try to contact witnesses. obviously prosecutors filed new charges against paul manafort for obstruction, for trying to tamper with those witnesses and the judge here today listening to the prosecutors' arguments and sending paul manafort back to jail. >> stick with me. i think evan perez is just coming outside the courtroom, joining me now. great to see you, you were
inside. tell me what you heard. >> that's right, kate, the judge said she was really struggling with this. she -- after the defense and the prosecutors made their arguments to her, she retired for about 15 minutes to consider the two sides and she came out and said she was struggling with what to do about this. she felt that in the end the only solution was to send paul manafort to jail, pending trial. so that is what she has decided to do. she said i am very troubled by the fact that she -- he made contact with these witnesses, she said that there were repeated instances in which paul manafort seemed to be defying what the court was ordering him to do, which is to make sure that he obeyed the rules before he got to trial. she also said that in her view, this was no way that she could craft a -- an order clear enough that would cover all of the different circumstances that paul manafort would be able to abide by, because she felt that he was repeatedly flouting the
rules that were put forward by the court. now, as shimon was pointing out, the government made a very strong argument here, he is a danger to the community, they said this is a sustained campaign, over five weeks to contact witnesses in italy, in russia, and government also said prosecutors said that it was a witness, one of these witnesses that actually came forward to prosecutors and the government, the fbi, to make the -- to tell them about the conduct that paul manafort was doing. defense lawyers were arguing that, look, you don't need to send him to jail, this will never happen again, is what the defense attorney argued. and they said that the solution really here was for the judge to tell them the 50 or so witnesses that the government planned to bring forward in trial, the judge rejected that argument saying that manafort had multiple chances at this, he has repeatedly flouted the rules of the court, and he was clearly trying to harm the system of
justice, the trial here that is due to start in washington in september. >> it seems the defense all but admitted this was what paul manafort was attempting to do in -- over the five weeks. what does this mean for -- how long does this mean, what is the timing now? how long does this mean you could be in jail before this gets worked out? >> well, at least, right, exactly, means at least until september when right now he is scheduled to go in court -- go on trial here in washington. keep in mind, there is another dozen or so charges that he faces across the -- across the river in northern virginia, the court there in alexandria, virginia. he is due to go on trial there in july. kate, keep in mind, there is a judge over there who had already issued an order to manafort to tell him not to contact certain witnesses. the defense kept claiming that, look, the witnesses that he was talking to in this -- in this
instance weren't really related to those charges in virginia. and the judge >> evan, can you lay out the huge risk that paul manafort was taking? it wasn't like he was out scot free on arrest. he was in his house wearing an ankle bracelet and then he did this. >> right. he was already wearing one ankle bracelet on each leg. he was restricted to his condo in alexandria, virginia. he had to get permission in order to go to a family funeral in long island, new york just a few weeks ago. over the holidays, if he wanted to go to florida, he had to get the judge's permission in order to do that. he was already on very tight restrictions on $10 million bond. this has already been one of the longest bail proceedings that i have certainly seen in a case like this. $10 million, and the defense really was struggling, manafort was struggling to try to put together a package that would satisfy this judge and satisfy the government that, really, he
was allows to ed to be out on t $10 million bond. this has been eight months in the works, and during that time, it appears that even while he was under these restrictions, he continued to reach out to people who were part of this case, and according to the government, these were people that he had to know were going to be witnesses in his trial, kate. >> are we going to hear from -- we never do traditionally coming out of when paul manafort leaves. is he still in court? do you think there is any chance we could hear from his attorney? >> reporter: he's still in court. his attorneys were huddling when we left there. one of the problems here is that the judge has already put severe restrictions on manafort's defense team. they are not allowed to make many statements. i think the only thing they're allowed to say is he's innocent, which obviously when you're still pending trial, you're allowed to say you're innocent until proven guilty.
so there is not a lot the defense is going to be able to say that would not incur the wrath of this judge. this judge was very, very troubled by the behavior here. she clearly struggled with what to do. because she knows, obviously, our system of justice is inclined to let people be out on bail while they're awaiting trial, right? you don't punish people before they've been adjudicated, before they've been found guilty. so for her to take this step was pretty extraordinary. i certainly didn't expect her to go all this way. but then you can see as she explained all the different restrictions he was already under, she felt there was nothing else she could do. >> was there any indication the prosecutors laid out of what the witness who came forward to them said? is there any indication of kind of what the tampering was, if you will? >> reporter: right. the government actually recalled some of the conversations.
they said there were multiple times when paul manafort was reaching out to this particular witness mu witness. the witness tried to put the call on speakerphone and then eventually hung up because he did not want to have that contact with paul manafort. according to the government, he knew what paul manafort was trying to do. manafort was simply, according to the defense, telling them exactly what he said publicly, which is that this group of lobbyists that were working for the ukranian government, the pro-russian government in ukraine at the time, that they were simply doing their work in europe, that they were not working here in the united states, which would be a legal violation. that would be illegal. the government, of course, the prosecutors have alleged that all of the work that was being done was being done over there, and it was also being done in the united states, and that is a violation of the law. that's one of the charges he's facing. so manafort was simply trying to remind people of what the truth was, according to the defense. the prosecutors didn't buy that. they said, quote, generally, if something is true, you don't
have to remind someone of what the truth is. so clearly the government had a lot of details about the conversations that were happening, and they said they weren't actually monitoring, like actively monitoring manafort until this witness came forward to say that he felt that what paul manafort was trying to do was encourage perjury and encourage people to change their stories in whatever they were telling the government and whatever testimony they were providing to prosecutors. >> so many eyeballs on this case. it is amazing that this was all playing out. just amazing. evan, stay with me. let me go back to shimon prokupecz really quick. shimon, you're learning some more. >> we have some color from one of our producers who remained in the courtroom to report the news. our producer reports that manafort was removed immediately. he was taken to the back, was led out by three martials. the martials then returned to the courtroom and they handed
manafort's wife his wallet, his belt, some other property that belonged to him. but we will not see manafort walk into court, leave court anymore going forward. the judge here revoking his bail, so that means he goes to jail immediately. we'll learn what jail that is, where he's going to sit out. it will be a federal prison, holding prison where he'll await his trial. as evan there said, this trial in d.c. which is expected to start in september, then you have the trial in virginia which starts in july. but this is it. we may not see paul manafort outside again. really, kate, what happened here, this is something the government, the fbi, judges all across the country here take extremely seriously. any time there is any allegation of anyone trying to intimidate witnesses or trying to reach out to witnesses, it is a very serious allegation, certainly carries a hefty penalty. and it is something that the fbi
and the government just does not play around with. and certainly judges across this country take this very seriously. and you can see that by what the judge did here today. she was not pleased at all by any of these allegations. >> no kidding. shimon, stick with me. shan bu, your reaction. >> it's very devastating for paul manafort and his legal team. i can tell the judge struggled with her decision. it's rare for a white collar person to be held in jail pending the trial, and it's going to make it much, much difficult for his team to prepare. as shimon was saying, he will be held in a local facility, so just the logistics of his legal team meeting with him becomes much more difficult. he has two trials to prepare for. one in virginia coming up on the rocket docket very fast. they'll have to work it out with martials.
at least for a few days he'll be in the local d.c. jail until they figure out where they can put him. just logistically by itself, that's a nightmare for his team. that will drastically ratchet up the pressure on manafort. >> shan, why this is such a devastating blow to building his defense? >> it adds another charge, which is a problem for him, and of course the prosecution is going to use it as a consciousness of guilt. they're going to say, why would he be trying to do these things unless he was trying to hide something? so while it also adds an additional charge you have to defend against, it's a very insidious kind of charge because it demonstrates that maybe you're trying to hide something, and that's what you've been charged with, and that makes it harder to defend on the underlying charges. >> all right. all, thank you so very much. shan, thank you. shimon, thank you so much. evan perez coming out from court. thank you so much. just to recap the breaking news, former trump chairman paul
manafort in court today, now in prison until he faces trial, pending trial. why? because prosecutors say he was trying to tamper with witnesses. and the defense said it won't happen again. the judge having none of it. paul manafort now in jail. we'll have much more on the breaking news after this. thought i could de-stress with some zen gardening. at least we don't have to worry about homeowners insurance. just call geico. geico helps with homeowners insurance? good to know. been doing it for years. that's really good to know. i should clean this up. i'll get the dustpan. behind the golf clubs. get to know geico. and see how easy homeowners and renters insurance can be.
welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. a major breaking news day beginning with this. paul manafort is going to jail. just moments ago a federal judge revoking the bail of paul manafort. remember, he's the former trump campaign chairman. that move comes after the special counsel filed new charges against manafort detailing them in court saying while free awaiting trial, he has been deliberately witness tampering. cnn's evan perez outside the co