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>> it's so cute. it is a little angel teddy bear. >> and we need to make them feel wanted by all of us. >> please go to cnn to learn more or nominate someone you know. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me, "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. and we have breaking news for you this afternoon. donald trump's former campaign chairman has been sent to jail. welcome to "the lead," i'm jake tapper. we begin with the stunning development. a judge sending paul manafort to jail pending his trial for allegedly attempting to tamper with witnesses in the probe led by robert mueller. now manafort had only been ordered to jail a few hours before president trump's attorney rudy giuliani began openly discussing with the new york daily news a possible presidential pardon for mania fort and this is accompanied by more shocking news about a
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different confidant, michael cohen under criminal investigation by the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york is, according to sources, considering cooperating with authorities. as the u.s. attorney's office has revealed this afternoon, they recovered pages of material from cohen's shredder and other information from his encrypted apps and those subjects no doubt weighing heavily on president trump when he decided to take a walk on the north lawn and share some falsehoods about his former campaign chairman. >> manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. but i feel so -- i tell you, i feel badly about it. they went back 12 years to get things he did 12 years ago. paul manafort worked for me for a very short period of time. >> while pointing out he may be in a lot of trouble for financial crimes that happened before the trump campaign, it is patently false to say that he had nothing to do with the trump campaign or his time working for then candidate trump was short or inconsequential and he said manafort worked for him for 49
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days or something but not true he joined the campaign in march of 2016 and campaign chair in may and after donald trump became the republican nominee, resigned in august. that is nearly five months. he was critical in getting donald trump through the gop convention and despite the president act as if he barely knew his campaign chairman and the signal is sent via rudy giuliani that a pardon is on the table. sarah murray joins us. and i've never seen anything like this. the trial hasn't even started. what exactly does giuliani say to the new york daily news. >> this is interesting. because trump did not want to talk about presidential pardons. apparently rudy giuliani his lawyer felt differently telling the new york daily news in an on the record statement, when everything is over, things might get cleaned up with presidential pardons and this is as paul manafort could await his trial behind bars. >> reporter: paul manafort slated to spend the next three
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months awaiting trial in a jail cell. a twist that took the legal team by surprise. u.s. district judge amy berman jackson saying i have no appetite for this and revoking his bail after he spent more than seven months under house arrest. the move coming after special counsel robert mueller's team alleged manafort spent five weeks using different phones and apps to try to tamper with witness testimony and called him a danger to the community. as manafort pleaded not guilty to two new charges of witness tampering and conspiracy to obstruct justice, his lawyers said he was unaware of who the government witnesses were. this will not happen again one of his attorneys said and the judge was unmoved. this is not middle school. i can't take his cell phone. he faces charges in d.c. and virginia related to foreign lobbying and financial crimes and so far prosecutors have not tied his alonged wrongdoing to the campaign, the core of the mueller investigation. but in court filings prosecutors
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are probing his contacts with russians and ukrainians and potential coordination while he oversaw the trump presidential bid. today president trump down played the contribution in 2016. >> i think it is unfair -- but i feel badly about it. they went back 12 years to get things he did 12 years ago. paul manafort worked for me for a very short period of time. >> and tweeting, wow, what a tough sentence for paul manafort. didn't know he was head of the mob. what about comey and crooked hillary and all of the others. very unfair. to be clear manafort was not sentenced. he haebts even had a trial yet. while the president spent the morning railing against the russia investigation -- >> there was no collusion or obstruction. >> reporter: the judge in the manafort case making it clear, this hearing is not about politics, it is not about the conduct of the office of the special counsel. soon after manafort was led out of the courtroom and minutes
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later a court marshall returned handing his belt and tie and wallet to his wife. and i hear they are shell shocked by the judge's decision and this is not a sentence and he's not been sentenced yet. >> the president's tweet is wrong. >> it is wrong. but if he is convicted and found guilty, this is someone who could spend the rest of his life in jail. >> when you combine the virginia and d.c. charges, like 300 years in jail if convicted on all accounts to the full extent. sarah murphy, thank you. let's bring in the panel. and laura, let me read, when the whole thing is over things might get cleaned up with presidential pardons. your response? >> well, he does have the pardoning power to do so. but again, talking about pardons when you're trying to simultaneously talk about somebody's innocence is a convoluted way to make your case. and the issue here with paul manafort and the president of the united states, it may be
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true he served very little amount of time while he was working for trump but for the time he was with him was as chairman of the campaign and it is not unheard of for somebody who has abused the gift of being able to be released from prison and jail prior to your troil, a gift and luxury not given to many people in a variety of socioeconomic status and level is more than the first time he's done this, jake. he violated the gag order previously by doing an op ed over a five-week period of time and this is what is dolled out to every single person accused of a crime who is on bail or bond and is violating the terms of that particular agreement. it is distrust the court now has and he should take it very serious lirks a seriously, a seriously. >> and josh, you are a former fbi official, what is your
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response to -- to manafort being sent to prison as well as rudy giuliani floating the idea of a pardon when the actual case hasn't even begun. >> so it is a day of reckoning for paul manafort. we've talked about the serious charges that he faces and some 18 counts in virginia and seven in d.c. and they are piling up and we've said on cnn that he might spend the rest of his life behind bars but during this period he had the option to stay home and the ankle bracelet and this changes that with this witness tampering charge with the jail saying you're going to jail and being remanded to custody and what changes is the comments from rudy giuliani because there is no question this is signaling -- in my mind signaling to people like paul manafort, continue to stay with us and if you are someone that is in his situation, you're constantly trying to calibrate should i flip, go with the government, should i stay true to the person who could get me out of this and it sounds like rudy giuliani is offering him this life line and he's in custody and doesn't have access to cnn and the media but his
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attorneys will no doubt pass on that information. >> and what is important here is that if this is an attempt by mueller to squeeze manafort to get him to give more information about somebody higher up in the campaign, whether it is trump or kushner or who knows, prosecutors say, and laura you know this much better than i, prosecutors say it is easy to hang tough until you spend the first night in jail and that is when people have who have previously said i will not cooperate or flip change. >> self preservation kicks in. there is something about that orange jump suit and being away from counsel and your home and you could make it sound pretty, a cell, it is a cage and if that is all you are looking at and this is before you if you have a conviction, it is very, very persuasive. but i want to be clear. this is not a tactic by a prosecutor to try to bolster their case if there is not evidence other wise.
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they are not trying to squeeze him or any defendant to say i'm trying to get you to flip. he may be the biggest fish in this pond. you may also be -- >> he might be the whole. >> he may be the whole enchilada because he is the head of the campaign. and donald trump is the president of the united states but to say and suggest that they are simply trying to squeeze with the intention of persuading him to flip is not true. but it absolutely -- jake, between the financial strain, the mental health component of this, the stress and also perhaps knowing that if you do -- if you cooperate now, before a trial starts, if you get a plea offer before a trial starts,s it may be the best yo could get and all of that combined the prosecutors will capitalize on it. >> if manafort is the big fish and the whole enchilada as laura said, why does the mueller investigation continue. haven't they gotten their guy? >> lets look at the genesis, this wasn't robert mueller but it was paul manafort.
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the allegation is that he tampered with a witness which is his own doing. he knows what he's done. having worked investigations i'll tell you i never came across an innocent subject that worked to obstruct their investigation that would have proven their innocence and he's innocent until proven guilty but he knows what he's done in his own mind and trying to do the calibration, how do i preserve my freedom if that is what it comes to but if you are bob mueller, we don't know. there is a lot that is down there. and with new charges that are more serious, paul manafort may be por willing to talk about what he knows so even mueller may not know the fuel utility of what paul manafort may provide. >> and we've heard from the president trump legal team they think, according to sources, they may might be able to have president trump testify before the special counsel in light of the scathing inspector general report critical of former fbi director james comey. does one relate to the other in any way? >> no. it is a pipe dream. because the idea that he is somehow completely immunized from having a conversation about the full breadth of the campaign
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and whether or not any part of his campaign or any member of his inner circle was colluded with russia in some way, it is but part of an inquiry, obstruction is a part of that. but remember, we cannot con flate the way they would like to conflate the report to the hillary clinton probe and the i.g. probe that has not been written or investigated about the mueller focus on the criminal aspect of collusion. they are very different concepts. to be fair, stroke is the common link and that is why they are putting -- >> peter strzok. >> between himself and lisa page saying he would stop donald trump and part of the clinton e-mail probe and the mueller probe. but mueller came in in may and stroez acwas looesed in the summer of 2017 and since that time he'd had a breadth of information to follow and
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they're conflating the two. and tonight rudy giuliani will be on cuomo prime time here on cnn. president trump said he wants his people to sit up at attention as they do for north korea's kim jong-un. he later claimed he was joking, but is he really? stay with us.
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welcome back. minutes before the president's impromptu news conference shall we say this morning where he told repeated falsehoods about any number of subjects he has appeared on a channel he has behind closed doors compared with north korean state-run television and on the channel the president continued to compliment kim jong-un. and as cnn jeff zeleny explains, the president even jokingly expressed a longing for a bit of the despot's power. >> reporter: president trump is closing his week just as he began it. showering kim jong-un with praise. >> he's the head of a country and i mean he's the strong head, don't let anyone think anything different. he speaks and as people seat up
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at attention. i want me people to do the same. >> and when asked if he wished americans would fall into line like north korea, the president insisted he wasn't serious. >> i'm kidding -- >> reporter: but no mistaking his admiration for strong men and dictators and spent the week flattering kim and not mentioning the civil rights record. and in an exchange outside of the white house the president made no apologies and said the end game is the result. >> i don't want to see a nuclear weapon destroy you and your family and i want to have a good relationship with north korea. >> reporter: and extended it to vladimir putin. white house is in the early stages of setting up a face-to-face with the president. >> i think it is better to have russia in than to have russia out because just like north korea, just like somebody else, it is much better if we get along with them than if we don't. >> reporter: while trump first met putin last week at the group
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of 20 summit in germany, with the russia investigation still hanging over his white house, the president misstates again and again the russian exation of crimea, blaming it on president obama -- >> because putin didn't respect president obama. president obama, not trump, when it is my fault, i'll tell you. >> reporter: today one of the most prominent members of the cabinet james mattis offered a different speech about putin. >> he seeks to shatter nato and diminish the appeal of the western democratic model and undermine america's moral authority. >> to undermine america's moral standing, very strong words but important to note the president has said nothing like that at all. at every opportunity asked about vladimir putin he's never said those words or rarely. we are hearing that there are discussions about a potential summit between the two.
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as early as next month around the nato meeting but for likely in the fall. certainly the president would like to have a meeting like that. but jake, extraordinary words from the president behind me earlier today saying those words about kim jong-un and of course vladimir putin. jake. >> jeff zeleny at the white house. thanks so much. my mit cal pan-- my politic joins me. what is your take about the president talking about kim jong-un and he said he was just being facetious and sarcastic wishing people would sit up for him the way they do for kim jong-un. but he does keep praising kim jong-un and saying things about him being strong and tough, when the reality is he's a murderous despot. >> yeah, i take the president as his word on the sarcasm and see his flattery of kim jong-un of his treatment of others people, he flatters people or savages
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people like his political opponents and other world leaders based on his feeling at the time about what do i have to do to extract the result that i want. i'm not sure if he ever really means any of us. he's trying to exact a result in a transaks and the north koreans are brutal and they murder people in strange and crazy ways. they treat their people terribly. an i'm sure the president knows all of that but i'll tell you what else he knows. s it his job to protect the american people and keep us out of of of a nuclear war and i'm willing to gym him the rope if that is what this is. >> and the president in that piece said he's trying to prevent people from dying in a nuclear war. the suggestion is what is the big deal about some flattering words or looking the other way on human rights abuses that he can't do anything about any way. >> because he's giving credence to them on a platform for the world stage to make it seem like
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it is normal. and two years ago, three years ago, i did not think we were on the brink of nuclear war with north korea. but when donald trump is tweeting and calling kim jong-un little rocket man, saying my button is bigger than yours, he escalated the situation to bring it to a point where north korea could attack south korea and then we would be in a war situation. and so donald trump again much like many things brought this upon himself. brought us to a point where we were facing a nuclear face-down with north korea and that is -- i think he's trying to confuse people but he did this. >> david, your reaction to the president again claiming that the problem with north korea is over. take a listen. >> you remember the sitdown with barack obama, i think he won't admit this, he said the biggest problem that the united states has and by far the most dangerous problem and he said to me that we've ever had because of nuclear -- is north korea. now that was shortly before i entered office. i have solved that problem.
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>> i'm not sure that the problem is solved. >> clearly it isn't. and in fact, donald trump said i have people over there, he talked about the verification process and not specifically but acknowledged that one needed to take place so when he was having his conversation with the reporters, he made sure he understands this is not the end of the road but in classic trumpan fashion he is the master marketer and wants to repeat it as often as possible even though it is not true so it becomes true in public perception. and that is why he declares peace on earth and he solved this problem even though it is clearly still a big threat. >> "the washington post" reported more details today about the president's singapore summit including this stunning paragraph. at one point after watching north korea television, he talked about how positive the north korean reporter was toward kim and the president joked even the administration friendly fox news was not as lavish in the
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praise as the state tv anchor. one of the people added and maybe she should get a job on u.s. television instead. i'm -- scott jennings, your response? >> well i think the president was -- i think the piece made it clear he was joking about what he was saying. but obviously he was interested in how the north koreans were portraying the meeting versus how the u.s. media was portraying the immediating and the president is wrangled -- it is true last summer for many months people were upset with the president for being too harsh on kim and now after having this meeting which by the way americans support his policy of engagement and cnn own polling bears that out and now they're saying you're being too nice to kim. so if you are the president, you're thinking i can't win with some of these people. they won't take yes for as answer and i think he was joking but has legit beeves with people who can't seem to be happy with whatever he does no matter the tactic. >> well surely you acknowledge
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there is a difference between brink of war, rocket man, my button is bigger than your comments and kim jong-un is strong and he's tough and he's a master negotiator. there is a middle ground where most presidents or every president except for donald trump has resided. >> there is a middle ground where most presidents have resided and they have failed to move the ball on this issue. we have been banging our head against the wall -- i do know if the president and his tactics will work. we're at the beginning of a process that could fail and kim could lie and they may never let us verify this and that would be unfortunate but it strikes me we have a little door or a little window open and the president is trying to go through it in the way he does things and people sm people don't like it or not appropriate but we have some sunshine where we had nothing and i think most americans are going to say, well, we're trying something different and maybe that is the answer. >> but do -- do we have -- and no other president could have sat down with kim jong-un but
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they didn't want is what donald trump gave kim was the tv ad and we don't know if we're in a sunshine place. north korea has agreed to nothing and that is the criticism here. and for donald trump to be so upset about the coverage from the media, i think it just goes to show that he still doesn't understand he is no longer on the tv side of things, he's now in the political arena and as a -- as a spokesperson and a former press secretary, there are days i didn't like what the media said or i didn't like what cnn was saying about my candidate but it is not their job to lavish praise on my candidate or principle. it is a job to report the news and it is my job to beat back the lies. and frankly, the trump white house doesn't do a good job at the latter. >> something else president trump weighed in on today had to do with the justice department inspector general report about the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. let's play that. >> it totally exonerates me.
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there was no collusion. there was no obstruction and if you read the report, you'll see that. >> i have read the report. it does not address collusion or obstruction. it has nothing to do with the russia investigation. and it has nothing to do with anything president trump or his campaign have done. david challen, does it matter that he said this even though it is patently false? >> of course it matters. president should not say untrue things and it is our responsibility as you are doing to call it out. will it matter to his supporters? no. i would imagine most of trump supporters will hear him and say, oh, no, he got totally exonerated from that i.g. report. that did not happen. but again, he will repeat this so he could make it so, not broadly, but so there are no cracks in his line of support with the folks who are already with him. >> and it was about the hillary clinton e-mail investigation and it had some tough things to say about loretta lynch and james comey and peter strzok and
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another to do with the russia investigation and the potential obstruction of justice charges. >> nothing whatsoever. i wonder, i wasn't alive back then, but during watergate if there was twitter or 24 hour news coverage would -- would nixon make the case that donald trump is making now to his supporters and i wonder what the ability to speak so directly to people and to repeat lies time after time has on the american electorate. the facts remain to be seen. but i think that is -- >> that is interesting. if nixon had twitter and fox, what might the world have looked like. thanks. we have more to talk about. prosecutors recovered 16 pages of documents from president trump's fixer michael cohen. is cohen going to talk to prosecutors? stay with us. i mean wish i had time to take care of my portfolio, but..
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long-term friend donald trump. a source close to cohen said the possibility of criminal charges are taking a major toll on his family and they are his top priority. this could mean trouble for the president. but this morning trump called cohen a good friend and expressed little concern about him flipping. >> cohen might flip -- >> i did nothing wrong. you have to understand. this stuff would have come out a long time ago. i did not wrong. >> reporter: and in april not long after the fbi seized more than 3.5 million records from cohen's home and office and hotel room. and he tweeted, i don't see michael doing that despite the horrible witch hunt and the dishonest media. but those close to the president spoke differently earlier this week when news broke about cohen's plans to switch attorneys handling his case. a possible signal of a new legal strategy. this is very disturbing, said one trump ally to cnn.
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he is facing the end of a barrel said another about cohen. cohen's current attorneys reached a crucial deadline in the fight to get a first look at the files taken in the april raid to determine if they fall under attorney/client privilege. the feds are investigating his business practices and personal financial dealings, including the payment he made to stormy daniels on trump's behalf weeks before the election. and daniels accused the president of an affair in 2006 which trump denies. and an attempt by cohen to silence michael avenatti from talking to the press has been rejected for now. the order claims michael avenatti could jeopardize his chances at a fair trial citing his more than 120 media appearances and michael avenatti called it an attack on the first amendment. >> they want to intimidate people and shut them up. it doesn't matter if you are a judge or the press or an attorney. they don't like people that speak the truth. >> now sources close to cohen said he has not spoken to prosecutors as of yet but a quick update from the government
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president trump today blaming democrats for a new trump administration policy that has resulted in hundreds more children being separated from parents if they are caught crossing the border illegally. the weirdest thing about the president and the white house lying about this is the fact that separately the attorney general jeff sessions is out there owning the new policy proudly. and now family separations happened before donald trump and the reason hundreds if not thousands more are happening is because every illegal crossing is now being criminally prosecuted. every single one. the administration imposed a brand-new zero tolerance policy in april. >> if you are smuggling a child, then we're going to prosecute you and that child will be separated from you probably as required by law. if you don't want your child to be separated, then don't bring him across the border illegally. >> that is a reference to anyone
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smuggling children, human traffickers or parents, whom ever. the president surprised lawmakers by saying he would refuse to sign a republican compromise effort to address this issue and immigration and cnn was told he didn't understand the question and now they are moving forward to temporarily house the almost 2,000 immigrant children taken from their parents over a six-week period. 2,000 and moving them into tents in torn illo, texas, something sessions defended by quoting a bible verse that commands citizens to obey the laws of high government and the temperature there is 98 degrees and the shelters will have cooling systems. let's play the sound of attorney general sessions using a bible verse to justify this new administration policy of separation of children and their parents at the border using zero
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tolerance. >> i would cite you to the apostle paul in his clear and wise command in romans 13 to obey the laws of the government, because god is ordained the government for his purpose. >> my political panel is here to talk about this. scott, a lot of people -- a lot of christian conservatives siding with attorney general sessions on this. others i've heard from the evangelical movement being offended by it, talking about that which you do to the least of me, you do to me. what what is your response to invoking the bible for this policy? >> i wouldn't do it. i think it is -- look, i have four babies at home. my wife breast fed all of them. the thought of somebody ripping one of these children away from a mother during that precious moment, i'll be honest, it makes my blood boil. we ought not be separating these families. it is wrong. we need to stop the policy right now. that having been said, i think the democrats have been a block on a big deal. they don't want to give trump a win on this and on the other
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hand, i think trump is the only person who can sell an immigration deal to the republican party. if it is the congressional compromise, republicans won't trust it and if it is the trump compromise, the republicans will trust it. so congress needs to get on it, they need a compromise the president will sign which means it has to have border security and the other things that he wants. but i have to tell you, every time i hear another story about a baby, a kid ripped away from a parent, i could only think about my own kids and think this is wrong and the american people are not going to stand for this. >> simmone, what is your reaction? >> my reaction is that donald trump can stop this today. this is a policy and a choice by the trump administration. a trump appointed u.s. attorney from the southern district of texas was on npr this morning and said that very same thing. it is so disgusting that people are, one, trying to use the bible in the same way they use it to justify slavery and
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justify jim crow laws and to justify the raping and pillaging of the land from native people. this is crazy. and for folks saying this isn't who we are as americans, this is exactly who the hell america is. if people want this to change, they have to hold the trump administration accountable. and this ryan bill, there is nothing in the ryan bill that will prevent kids being ripped away from their parents if the trump administration policy is zero tolerance or prosecuting anyone coming over the border, if they are prosecuting under the bill, it will do nothing to keep them from being separated. so the donald trump administration, and jeff sessions at doj can stop this and any suggestion that the democrats are holding this up is b.s. and donald trump is trying to get the game of thrones style wall built that nobody wants. >> and you could tell that donald trump and the white house understand with north korea and and michael cohen and the i.g. report and what was the biggest
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political problem, this issue of separating parents on the border and how do we know? because they rarely came out and say the president made a mistake and misunderstood the questions and his comments were derailing something paul ryan was trying to put together which may be a fig leaf. simmone may be right, we'll see see stories of families being separated and it is not purely a legislative fix on the issue but the white house was keenly aware this was the biggest political problem of the day and i still don't see a solution. >> one thing that is interesting, scott, if you talk to people in the justice department they'll say two things. one is if you go to the points of entry, appropriate points of entry to get into the united states, the separation with -- from children does not happen. only if you are trying to cross the country -- cross the border illegally. and the second point is they are trying to stop undocumented immigrants from entering the country because of the coyotes and people who end up dying in trucks. they think that is inhuman and
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creating the zero tolerance but if the attorney general wants to make this case, somewhere other than fox news and, b., why is the white house pretending this is not their policy. >> i don't know. look, i think what the white house is trying to do is create an environment that forces a deal. i don't think they want to deal with all of this via executive order and policy the way the previous administration did. i think they want a legislative fix. and i think that is the correct answer. i just don't know that we're any closer to that today than we were five days ago. meanwhile all of the stories keep piling up and it is not helping the president as david just said. at the end of the day, we have to also understand in this thcountry that the economy right now is so good -- we have more jobs than people. folks are going to be coming to the united states of america. folks are going to continue to try to come here. this is not going to dry up. no matter what policies you implement. it is just the market and the nature of humeab bee -- human behavior and we have to get this
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right and my advice to the president and the white house is get this fixed. you'll be a hero if you could be the republican that finally forces a compromise fix that ends these terrible stories of parents being separated from their children. >> i just want to know -- so i agree with scott, that we do need a legislative fix to our broken immigration in this country and so what happens if congress does its job finally on immigration and the trump administration does not change their policy. then whose fault is it? who then do we hold accountable? we can't -- we cannot just bank this so donald trump could get his wall and nothing happens and no policy changes are made for these kids. no one has made an effective argument on that. >> in my opinion, in my opinion simone, the legislation has to end this policy. the legislation has to be in there. it is my view. it has to be in there. >> everyone thanks so much. appreciate it. she said if she's deported,
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in our national lead, congressional republicans try to work on a bill to change u.s. immigration policy, a reminder about the very real consequences for those already living in the shadows in this country. cnn nick valencia has a story of a woman who will be murdered by ms-13 if she is forced to go back to honduras.
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>> translator: if you go back--o honduras she will be killed. >> she said ms-13 gang members murdered her brother and family members and that is why in 2011 she fled. if sent back she will most certainly die. >> you'd rather they kill you here than die there? for the last seven years joann and her american born children have lived in the shadows of america. she thought fleeing ms-13 gang violence and being a victim of sexual assault would help her qualify for asylum and she applied in 2011 but admits like so many others, she was too scared to show up to her court date. now with a new he'dict from the trump administration, her greatest fear is what will happen to her children when or if she's deported. she has three children, all u.s.
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citizens, under the age of seven. >> translator: what will happen to my kids? will i be able to take them, if i go alone, what will happen to my children who are here practically alone. >> reporter: on monday she's in court for driving without insurance and a license. she could be detained by immigration officers. >> translator: with the record that the president gave to get out of all of immigrants ynty doesn't he take the time to know how someone's life is. why on the border are they treating us like animals. that is not being human. to not feel the pain of someone else. >> reporter: joanna said under president obama she was aware that deportation was high but she still had hope with the prospect of asylum. not any more. now the only thing she could think of is how best to shield her children from her being sent
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back. >> she is getting help from an immigrant rights committee and she's at risk and so is her husband who was detained and in detention since may 4th and she tells her kids that their father is on vacation and she said she's yet to express deportation to them because saying it out loud will make it more real that she's going back to honduras and back to certain death. jake. >> nick valencia in wisconsin. why do north koreans stand at attention for their leader kim jong-un? a deeper dive on that ahead. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything so we know how to cover almost anything. even a "cactus calamity". (man 1) i read that the saguaro can live to be two hundred years old. (woman) how old do you think that one is? (man 1) my guess would be, about... (man 2) i'd say about two hundred. (man 1) yeah...
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this sunday morning rudy giuliani will be joining me on "state of the union" and candidate beta o'rourke challenging ted cruz will also joining us. and follow me on facebook and twitter, that is it for "the lead," i turn you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." i'll see you sunday morning. breaking news, behind bars. a federal judge revoked bail for paul manafort sending him to jail for alleged witness tampering while he awaits trial on a slew of federal charges. why is rudy giuliani already talking about pardons? relieving the pressure. the president's long time fixer michael cohen may be closer to cooperating with prosecutors who have pieced together shredded documents found in a raid. will michael cohen act