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is justice is present -- mischange of justice is presented to him. they finished crossing the rio grande are in custody of border control. >> i hate the children being taken awaway. >> tell dhs to stop doing it. it's disgusting that people are trying to use the bible in the way they used the bye-bye to justify slavery -- used the bible to justify slavery. good morning, everybody, i'm martin savidge in for victor blackwell. >> glad to have you here. >> i was going to say the same. >> early morning wake-up call. we like to be your wake-up call. >> after a whirlwind week for president trump, he's waking up at the white house. his schedule completely clear. >> paul manafort is waking up in jail. you see him arriving there at the jail last night.
this is exclusive video, and it was after his bail was revoked, of course. manafort may stay until his trial on foreign lobbying charges which starts in september. then there's this -- another trump associate, longtime lawyer michael cohen, may try to avoid jail time by cooperating with federal authorities. >> as for the trump team's legal strategy in the russia probe, sources say it's going to be built around the inspector general's report on the clinton e-mail investigation. if they doesn't work, one of the president's attorneys, rudy giuliani, is suggesting pardons could be in the pipeline. only if the president thinks his former staffers are prosecuted unfairly. >> for now, giuliani says pardons can wait while momentum builds against the mueller investigation. >> live from washington, cnn white house reporter sarah westwood. what are you hearing this morning? good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. president trump coming home from the busy trip abroad to renewed scrutiny on the russia investigation. paul manafort, president trump
participates fo-- president trump's former campaign manager, sent to jail. president trump falsely used the results of an inspector general report about the clinton e-mail investigation to attack the foundations of robert mueller's probe. sources saying they plan to use the results to continue undermining mueller's credibility. giuliani said it the mueller may be needed to cleaned up with pardons, he says he's advised the president from holding up prosecuting anyone until the investigation is over. >> let me make it clear. >> please. >> he's not going to pardon anybody in this investigation. but he is not obviously going to give up his right to pardon if a miscarriage of justice is presented -- >> doesn't that wind up meaning -- >> reporter: president trump described manafort's jailing as,
quote, very unfair, and continued to attack mueller's probe which has produced more than a dozen charges and guilty pleas as a witch hunt. giuliani is reserving trump's right to undo the results of mueller's investigations with a set of pardons once it's over. >> all right. sarah westwood, appreciate it. thank you. the question is, should paul manafort or others be counting on a presidential pardon? joey jackson, legal analyst, with us now. let's listen to rudy giuliani here. let's listen again to how he talks about why he says pardons would not be unheard of, say, in a case like this. >> my advice to the president of the united states as his lawyer is no pardons. it would change the momentum we have now, a strong one. you see the polls moving in the president's favor against mueller. i said he shouldn't pardon
anybody. the president said to me he shouldn't pardon anybody. i said after the investigation is over, it has to be considered a governmental matter, not by me. what the history has been is these things get cleaned up. ford did it. reagan did it. carter did it. clinton did it, and bush did it in political investigations. >> you're saying after the probe is over, did may -- it may be cleaned up with pardons? >> if people were unfairly prosecuted. >> would you advise the president as giuliani is saying he would advise him, no pardons? >> good morning. that's not a signal to all those out there and may something against the president's interests, i don't know what is. clearly giuliani, not the president here, a surrogate of the president, but sending out messages saying stay the course,
we've got your back. and the foundation. america saving if he does have your back, other presidents have historically had your backs, too. i think not only this, but if you match it up with what the president has done as it relates to pardoning, a gentleman named scooter libby, lying, obstruction of justice. someone else, d'souza, regarding illegal campaign contributions, i think the president is saying bear with me, let the process play itself out, and we'll do what we need to do. the president does what the president wants to do. he's advising this is a witch hunt, said it's unfair, every other day it's about crooked himry and what the democrats are -- hillary and what the democrats are doing. expect the unexpected with this president. >> giuliani suggested when the investigation is complete that there could be pardons.
what is the time frame? is there a time frame? could the president pardon at any time? >> the president really could. remember that the president has the power to issue a preemptive pardon. remember what ford did as it related to pardoning nixon for crimes he may have committed as president. so therefore, preempting any prosecution of him, this president can do likewise and make -- give a preemptive prosecution for anything that the people may have done or are rising out of the mueller investigation. it's a very broad power that the president could use. let's all keep in mind in having this discussion it's as much a political discussion as it is a legal one. you cannot indict the sitting president. that's the guidance of the justice department, that's the guidance that mueller said he will follow which would mean he would need to be impeached.
you need a majority in the house which is currently republican, we'll see what the midterms bring, 2018. then you need two-thirds, 66 senators. some more history briefly, clinton, 45 united states senators, 45 democrats, 45 saying no to impeachment. and so not one democrat broke ranks. i don't think there will be republicans that break ranks either if you look at what's been going on politically in the country. >> quickly, the new strategy of the trump team hinges on the investigation. could he be fired? >> the inspector general's report is broad. we could cherry pick and cite chapter and verse how clearly there was nothing political done and the fbi, while they may have had shortcomings as did comey, everything when and according to plan, it helped trump. u.c. davis pick if you're -- and
you could pick if you're trump's team what's collusion. people cherry pick what they want to. at the end of the day, i think the president will be guided by his own judgment. he will say whatever he wants to say. and he will pardon whoever he wants to pardon. the real question, i know we have to go, is whether they will stay the course. manafort is in jail. he's not similarly situated or in his palatial estate. he my thinking should i really wait months or talk now? same with cohen who the president's distancing himself from. he might be saying it's about time that i have something to say. we'll see. >> yeah. that is the question. how influential it is to wait. they may be thinking. appreciate is so much. thank you. >> thank you. rudy giuliani also weighed in on the president's 2020 re-election prospects last night and made harsh comments about former vice president joe biden. >> he called him a moron and a mentally deficient idiot and
claimed that biden had been at the bottom of his law school class at syracuse university. take a listen. >> let's start with something that has nothing to do with anything, but you made it relevant today. why would you call joe biden what you called him today? >> that he's dumb? >> no, that would have been a compliment. that would have been like an invitation to the prom. you called him a mentally deficient idiot. >> i didn't mean that. i meant he's dumb. he was last in his law school class -- >> he wasn't lass -- >> he was second to last, and the guy died. >> he had a different number. he didn't do well. >> he had a plagiarism problem in law school, as senator. which i think indicates something even about character. constantly making faux pass. >> why talk about joe biden? >> i was asked would he be a formidable candidate. i said, no, i think he's somebody the president would like to run against. he never did well as a national
candidate. the president did fabulously as a first-time national candidate. >>. you really think joe biden is stupid? >> no -- >> you said that -- >> i think it explains the plagiarism. i think the plagiarism is serious. i don't think he'll ever get beyond that. >> we should say, meghan mccain tweeted, "i am disgusted by giuliani's abhorrent and idiotic comments about joe biden. joe biden is one of the great political leaders of all time, one of the truly decent men left in politics and somebody my family has looked to for strength during one of the most difficult times of our lives." we're getting a better idea of how many children have been separated from their fae ed frdt the u.s. border with mexico. surprising numbers, and good context to this story ahead:plus, a tit-for-tat trade
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this morning we're getting a better idea of the scope of family separations happening at the u.s. border with mexico. at least 2,000 immigrant children have been separated from their parent. >> the figure is for the period in april and may when the u.s. government started enforcing a zero tolerance policy for adults crossing the border illegally. part of the policy includes the controversial practice. >> those are the figures.
look at the pictures. not talking about figures, we're talking about children and families. what's happening to these parents and kids once they arrive really? >> and what is dri them to make that very long and dangerous journey? knowing that their families could be split up. we have more from south texas on the story. >> reporter: it's hard to see people moving through the thick south texas vegetation. the rio grande rolls by just beyond the treeline. then just like that, they appear out of the brush. a small group of undocumented immigrants walking into a public park. we came across this group of undocumented immigrants in the town of mission, texas. two adults, four children. just finished crossing the rio gleer grand a while ago. now they're in the custody of border patrol. they met along the journey and
decided to enter the united states together. border patrol agents give them water, and they sit in the shade as they wait for a vehicle to take them to a border patrol station. jonathan is 11. he said he left with cousins, but they abandoned him along the way. his mother lives in virginia and told him not to make the journey alone, but now he's here. "i told her i wanted to come," he says, "but she said it's very dangerous." are you scared? "a little," he says. a brief conversation that leaves with many more questions about how a young boy can get to this point as an unaccompanied minorment he will likely end up for -- minor. he will likely end up in a children's shelter like this as federal authorities try to connect the boy with his mother. rest of the group is made up of two adult women with their children. dahlia is 24 years old, and she crossed the border with her little boy y. did you come?
she says gang members left a note threatening to kill her and she decided to flee. are you afraid they'll separate you? yes, he's my son, and i love him, she says. i have carried him throughout my journey. dahlia says she did not know she might be separated from her son once she was taken into custody in the united states. she says, "i have nothing in honduras." the families are loaded up and taken away, unsure of what happens next. the question now is what happens to these young children. jonathan, the 11-year-old you saw in the piece, gave me his mother's cell phone number in virginia. i was able to speak with her. she told me that immigration authorities have already reached out it her, and they would talk to her tomorrow to figure out what happens next. as far as the two adult women and their children, what happens is up in the air. even though the trump administration says this is a
zero-tolerance policy and they would prosecutor, that isn't happening yesterday. officials will not say who gets prosecuted and separated from children and who is released and allowed to move on. they won't explain how the decisions are made. the fate of the women that you saw in the story with those children, as far as we know tonight, it's very much up in the air. attorney general jeff sessions and other administration officials have defended the practice as being biblical. many have criticized the family separations. even president trump suggested it's cruel, he said he doesn't like it. there's confusion over what he would do about it at the end of the day. republican leaders in congress put their plans for an immigration bill that could address the separations on hold because the president said on live television yesterday that he wouldn't support it.
>> couple of different bills on immigration probably next week. >> yeah. >> one, the goodlatte bill, the other is more moderate. would you sign either? >> i'm looking at both of them. i certainly wouldn't sign the more moderate one. i need a bill that gives the country tremendous border security. >> got to have the wall? >> we have to have the wall. we don't have the wall, there's no bill. >> later, a white house official said the president misunderstood the question and issued a statement saying this -- "the president fully supports the goodlatte bill and house leadership bill. in this morning's interview he was commenting on the discharge petition in the house, not the new package. he would sign either the goodlatte or the leadership bills." >> in the interview he falsely blamed democrats for separating faems border. he's -- families at the border. he's done that multiple times. who does it really? joining us from spectrum news,
errol lewis. good morning. >> good morning. >> what do you make of a confusion day yesterday with the president when it came to the issue of immigration and legislation that's expected next week in the house? >> yeah. what was confusing is that the bill the president off the cuff said he wouldn't sign the more moderate bill, that leadership bill was drafted by the house leadership to his specifications. they didn't do an independent process of coming up with legislation and policies that might make sense. they tried to give the white house exactly what they wanted. there's funding for the wall. there's an end to what they call chain migration, meaning not favoring the kind of family-based reunification policies that have existed in the past. they tried to give the president what they wanted. they had confusion around that. i think they're back on track and realize that the bill the president said that he would not support is, in fact, his own bill. >> and then there's this other issue that he continues to put
out. he said this practice was. forced on anyone -- this practice was not forced on anyone. the president is blaming democrats repeatedly for this policy that many people are looking at. the policy or practice. listen -- >> i hate the children being taken away. the democrats have to change that law -- that's their law, the democrats' law. we can change it tonight. we can change it right now. >> how in any way is that accurate? >> no, it's simply not true. first of all, it's not pursuant to law. this is a choice about how to enforce the law. the law says you can't just walk into the united states. i think we all knew that. what comes into question is what you will do if people do show up at the border. do you prosecute them? do you separate families? do you separate children from their families? do you prosecute each and every case? that's what's at stake. the president's own attorney
general very much in the elizabeth smaspirit of the president said we will prosecute each one. it's the law. it says it's illegal to try and cross the border. it's immigration to cross the border. you can't do it. they decided rather than use discretion that other presidents have used, which is to say, look, if you're asking for asylum, if you've got sickness, a certain category, we'll let you go and handle those separately. jeff sessions said we will detain and prosecute you in each case. as part of that, they decided to make it even tougher mby taking children from their families. >> what is the chance of legislation being passed on immigration next week? >> very slim chance. we're in an election season.
this is not the time to expect something big to get done. i think people will take their chances politically through november with the system we have. >> errol lewis, thank you very much. ahead, religious groups and others condemn the trump administration for using the bible to defend separating immigrant families. our next guest explains why the christian community is pushing back. also, a potential trade war heating up after china targets the u.s. seafood, farming, car industries, with retaliatory tariffs. what does it mean for your wall tet end of the day? best-selling brand?e amers surprise people with how much they can get in a small suv. it's the big upgrade in a small package. see what you can get for under 20 grand... with the all-new ecosport from ford.
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the bad photos, implying anger of negotiating and agreement where i am asking for things that no other american president would ask for." >> it was a tense start to the week. however, with the president at odds with some of the u.s.' closest allies with trade policies that might, might have just gotten worse, the president decided to slap tariffs on $50 billion worth of chinese products, sparking concerns of a trade war that could potentially damage the global economy. as a result of the trade policy, china promised to reliate with their own -- retaliate their own set of tariffs that take place july 6th. >> cnn correspondent matt rivers is live in beijing with reaction. what are you hearingings, matt? >> reporter: let me start with just reading a little bit of a state-run newspaper's commentary this morning. they wrote "erratic actions have become the norm for the u.s. china can see step by step the trump administration is rude,
unreasonable, selfish, and headstrong." given that, it's not a surprise that china has issued tariffs on american imports, worth the same as the tariffs on the chinese import. that's $50 billion in tariffs that china will be issued starting -- $34 billion of which will start july 6th. just like what's happening in the united states. what is going to be targeted? what american products going to be targeted? it's wide ranging from soybeans to american beef, certain cars, smaller airplanes, types of fruits, a wide-ranging list that china is using to really make maximum impact both economically and politically. consider soybeans there for a second. it might not seem like a big deal, but it's the number one or two export from america to china. around $15 billion a year. of the top-10 producing soybean states, eight vote for donald trump in 2016. china knows that and is targeting sanctions to have maximum impact in those areas. and look, i should add that there are a lot of people in
china, american business men and women who would say the relationship between china and the u.s. is broken. the trump administration is not wrong when they say that china steals intellectual property. that they force technology transfers, that they infringe on copyrights. something should be done about that. what there is disagreement on is that tariffs are the right way to do that because it's not just about these tariffs, $50 billion now, it's what's going to happen in the future and does the trade war get worse. >> that is the big fear of many. matt rivers, thank you very much. u.s. attorney general jeff sessions is using scripture to defend the immigration policy. the one that separated thousands of kids from their parents right now. we have an advocate for immigrants next who's explaining why he is wrong to quote the bible. with expedia you could book a flight, hotel, car and activity all in one place. ♪
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christians everywhere should be up in arms. what happened to bring us your tired and weak and we will make them strong? this is still the promised land." the catholic church has criticized the policy as immoral. let's talk to director of church mobilization for world relief of author of "welcoming the stranger," matthew sorrens. thank you for being with us. if attorney general jeff sessions was going to use the bible, would that have been the choice, romans 13, to use? there -- that's been used before to advocate slavery. >> yeah. well, romans 13 is part of the holy scriptures. i think it's important. it's one of so many passages in the bible that speak to how as christians we would respond to immigrants in the community. there are passages that speak to the importance of families that god has established. i would encourage the attorney
general, the evangelical immigration table, there's a script challenge called "i was a stranger" challenge, based on chapters of the bible. and romans 13 is in there. i challenge him to read all of what the bible has to see that speaks to the topic. >> romans says love each other as yourself. love is the fulfillment of the law. in quoting romans 13, do you not have to read it in full to get the full context? >> yeah. even there -- later in roleance chapter 13 -- romans chapter 13, it says the law is good, we should respect the law. then it says if you're doing what is right, the government should not be a terror to you on. i think a terror is the word i would use to describe -- if i put myself in the shoes of a
father from el salvador so afraid of violence, of threats of violence that he would take his children, seek asylum, as u.s. laws allow, and make it to the u.s. border only to have his children taken from him. reportedly children taken away saying they'll be given a bath and not brought back, to me that sounds like terror. that means that the government is not functioning in the way that god has established the government to. as you alluded to, from the catholic bishops to the southern baptists, the national kocounci of churches, they can't always agree on what the bible means. on this they do agree. that's why it's surreal to have the attorney general of our condition telling us that we've misunderstood the bible. >> because of the separation of church and state. but because religious leaders got into the conversation that may have been why he brought it up. father simmons tweeted to jeff sessions saying, "dear jeff sessions, are you aware that the argument you made from romans 13 was a central argument of the
german christian movement over against the confessing church? i'm not saying you're a nazi, but you're interpreting the bible as one." interpreting is key. this is hard to recocitement for people. >> -- to reconcile for people. >> yeah. it's important that we read the bible in context. i would go back to jesus. in the gospels, there's only a few times that we're told he becomes angry. in mark chapter 3, jesus heals a man with a withered hand, and the religious and legal authorities of his time were angry with had him. jesus responds healing this person even though it's the sabbath which in their narrow and, jesus would say, incorrect interpretation of the law was not lawful. it says in the law that what upset him was the hardness of the heart, focusing on the narrow interpretation of the law that they couldn't see the human suffering in front of them. >> it is a topic so important
because people are passionate about the faith they have and how it's interpreted. thank you, sir. >> thank you very much for having me. as a child, he was told he was going to see a movie, then forced to watch a public execution. we talk to a north korean defector about that experience. >> at that time, you were so young and sure. the police officer dragged us and make us sit down in front row. then we watched the public execution. that was the first time that i saw a public execution when i was 11. 4 how do you become america's best-selling brand? surprise people with how much they can get in a small suv. it's the big upgrade in a small package. see what you can get for under 20 grand... with the all-new ecosport from ford.
phone number to reach him directly. and he has a way to call kim jong-un, as well. he didn't say who he'd be reaching out to, nor did he say why. south korea says it is happy the two are talking. in a statement to cnn, a high-ranking official says, "it is a symbolic event for progress in relations between the countries that they can discuss pending issues whenever they want." critics of president trump's meeting with kim jong-un point to the dictator's history of abusing human rights, especially in the case of otto warmbier, the american college student who died after he was tortured in a hard labor camp in north korea. mr. trump says stopping nuclear weapons is, well, more important now. >> you have spoken passion yazoo citily about the -- passionately about the circumstances that led to otto warmbier's death. in the same breath you're defending kim jong-un's human rights record. >> you know why, i don't want to
see a nuclear weapon destroy you and your family. >> president trump says that warmbier's release started the whole conversation, and that the u.s. summit with north korea would not have happened without him. what about those who have living under the regime or have escaped? i spoke with a man who was able to escape and lived to talk about the conditions he endured as a child. the author was born in north korea to a privileged family and spent his early years in pyongyang. after the death of kim il-sung everything drastically changed. he'secalling the years he spent on the streets scavenging for food just to escape. he told his tour story in the b "every falling star." your story is heartbreaking and uplifting at the same time.
let me take you to the beginning. as a child in pyongyang, you lived a pretty good life then. >> yes. also i was well educate. when i was in pyongyang, i was taught that other kids -- it was one of best countries in the world, one of t strongest countries in the world. when i was 11, when i was 11, my father made a political mistake, and my family was expelled to the countryside. i asked my father, are we in north korea? he told me, yes, this is the reality of north korea. >> how did your family explain the dramatic life change? >> my father didn't say that my family was expelled. he said my family will have holiday in countryside. >> you thought you were going on
vacation? >> yes. i thought we were going on vacation. >> when you got to where you were going, what did you see? >> i sea many beggars. then the train condition wasn't that good. then the house we got from the government wasn't that good. and also, i went -- i went to a new school there outside of pyongyang in countryside. the principal one day, the principal gathered students on the playground by saying that the entire school will go to a public execution site to watch public executions. i was really shocked. i thought that as north korea has produced a new movie called "public execution site." i asked my friend, okay, are we going to cinema. she told me, no, we're going to public execution site. we went there, and there were adults, many people, at this time you were so young and short. the police officer dragged us and make us sit down in front row. then we watched the public
execution. that was the first time that i saw a public execution when i was 11. >> what was it like as a child to watch people being put to death? especially by your government? >> i mean, shocking. i couldn't speak out. i was shocked. i was hungry but couldn't have dinner that night. and then i went home, i went -- i went home, and then i shared this story with my in mother. my mother just cried. >> there is a positive turn because he was able to escape and leave the so-called hermit kingdom. that was as a result of action his father had taken and managed to reunite both of them in south korea. the problem is today, he still has not been able to find the whereabouts of his mother. >> well, hundreds of children are calling the middle of the
desert home this morning. they were torn away from their families as they were trying to cross the border. we look at the newest temporary facility holding them. that's happening next hour. much more ahead. next, coy wire has all the action from the world cup. good morning. already a lot going on. >> goodness, is it wonderful. the michael jordan of soccer, the pablo picasso of the pitch, cristiano renaldo has been named the sexiest man by "people" magazine. he played sexy soccer yesterday. i need a new phone. aww. you two should get the new iphone. and you deserve to get it on the best network, verizon. and i deserve to be the ring bearer. oh, sorry. (vo) switch now. buy the latest iphone and get iphone 8 on us. only on verizon.
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the second of diego costa's two of the day. going up 3-2 on this goal from nacho. look at the bend on. that beautiful. but all of that would set up this moment. the final minutes, renaldo out there like a sculpt euro of soccer. incredible -- sculpture of soccer. incredible, staring at a wall of defenders. all he could see was the back of the net. incredible precision, focus, hat trick, tying it, that's how it ends it. he helped portugal earn one point, a critical point. renaldo is the oldest player ever to score a hat trick at the welcome and the first ever to score one against spain. to the match of the day. isolated. population 330,000 ever. lexington, kentucky, almost has that many people. their coach is a part-time dentist. they're taking on arguably the other greatest of all time,
messy and argentina. there's this passion, check it out -- if that doesn't get you chills, i don't know what ask. the thunder clap they call it. thousands from isolated made the trip to moscow. the chapter went viral during the historic game against england when 99.9% of icelanders watched on television. that man there, messy, never led his team to international championship victory. that's one to watch today. incredible stuff. i'm the other football guy, you know, the helmets and shoulder pads. this football is pretty found watch. -- pretty fun to watch. >> it is. >> we bring it, baby. >> thanks. >> you're welcome.