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he hates to see what's happening on the border but on the other hand he claims that ending it is out of his control. now, that part is not true. the president today put this growing humanitarian crisis in a political frame, tweeting this, democrats can fix their forced family break-up at the border by working with republicans on new legislation for a change. this is why we need more republicans elected in november. democrats are good at only three things, high taxes, high crime and obstruction, sad. cnn's ed lavandera is with me near the u.s. border. you've been talking with these families. parents have watched their children taken from them. tell me about jonathan aerial, that 11-year-old boy you found on the ground. where are his parents and what is happening to him this weekend? >> well, he was one of these -- one young man, a young boy, 11 years old, traveling with a group of six people, two adult
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women with their children and than jonathan who was traveling by himself. he told me he had come with cousins, that heho had a mother living in virginia. his mother told him not to make the journey but he did it anyway. he's technically considered what immigration officials call an unaccompanied minor. and those types of immigrants have been put into these detention centers for some time. i was able to speak with his mother and she told me that right after he was taken into custody, that he did call her and was told that -- over this weekend that they would make connection with her to try to figure out the reunification process. but last i've heard from his mother, no phone call has come today as far as we know at this point. >> wow. tough to hear those words and to know what's going on for a child as young as 11. we're also hearing about some events happening tomorrow there. what do you know? >> right.
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as the backlash against the zero tolerance policy really starting to pick up and here sunday in mcgowan, texas, in the south texas valley, a congressional delegation that will be coming here tomorrow and visiting various border patrol facilities and immigration facilities here a long the border as well there's a vigil planned and also the democratic representative from the el paso texas area who is running against senator cruz for the senate seat, he is organizing a march toward that newly opened detention facility in far west texas, to protest that as well. and this is expected to continue here throughout this coming week as the voices and the chorus of anger and frustration with this policy seems to start growing much louder. >> we know that o'rourke will be
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on with jake tapper tomorrow morning on "state of the union" as well. ed lavandera, thank you. the trump administration is defending separating these families saying it's the law. >> because it's the law and that's what the law states. it's a moral policy to follow and enforce the law. these laws are the same that have been on the books for over a decade and the president is simply enforcing them. again, the laws are the ones that have been on the books for over a decade and the president is enforcing them. >> it's not a policy change to enforce the law. our administration has had the same position since we started on day one that we were going to enforce the law. we're a country of law and order and we're enforcing the law and protecting our borders. >> and here's the president. >> the democrats forced that law upon our nation. i hate it. i hate to see separation of parents and children. >> here's the thing though. there is no law that says parents and children must be separated at the border. it's a practice that the
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president says he hates but his nistration is choosing to enforce. here's the proof. this is a notice from attorney general jeff sessions dated april 5th. in it, sessions announces the administration's new zero tolerance policy. and part of it reads, quote, congress has failed to ps effective legislation that serves the national interest that closes dangerous loopholes and fully funds a wall along the southern border. as a result, a crisis has erupted at our southwest border. and necessitates an escalated effort to prosecute those who choose to illegally cross our border. and that last line is important because u.s. policy does allow children to be separated from their parents if their parents are being criminally prosecuted. this new zero tolerance policy under the trump administration means virtually everyone is being prosecuted, including a number of people applying for asylum, which is legal. how can this practice the president claims to hate be corrected? according to the white house, it's not up to them to stop enforcing their own policy.
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it's up to the democrats. >> the democrats can come to us as they actually are in all fairness, we are talking to them, and they can change the whole border security. we're willing to change it today if they want to get in and negotiate but they just don't want to negotiate. they're afraid of -- they're afraid of security for our country. they're afraid of a wall. the president has actually called on democrats in congress to fix those loopholes. the democrats have failedto come to the table, failed to help this president close these loopholes and fix this problem. >> to clarify the white house is blaming democrats for not changing a policy that the white house is choosing to enforce. it's their own policy. instead, the white house says democrats need to come to the table and negotiate apparently using the families and children as bargaining chips. however, democrats and republicans have approached the president with multiple bipartisan immigration bills over the last year. many of which included some funding for trump's wall. and he's rejected them all. in fact, there's a republican
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immigration bill expected to be voted on this coming week. it is a compromise between conservative and moderate republicans and sticks to the president's four pillars. now, a few days ago, speaker paul ryan said the president was excited about this but then on friday president trump said this. >> i certainly wouldn't have signed -- >> what does the bill -- >> i need a bill that gives this country tremendous border security. i have to have that. >> now the white house says the president was confused by the question and he does plan to sign the bill if it makes it to his desk. we'll of course see if that happens next week. so one last time, to wrap this all up, the president is enforcing a policy, his own administration's policy, even though he says he hates it, and even though it is his administration's power to stop it. if he wanted to. yet he says separating families is the democrat's fault because democrats want come to the table and negotiate on administration, even though they have.
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my next guest, republican congressman will heard of texas. he toured a facility last night and is joining us now live. congressman, thank you for being here with us. first, what is your impression of this center that you had a chance to look at? >> well, we went there last night about 9 ooflt 30. it's in my district. to me, it makes it very clear that in the home of the free and land of the brave, we should not be using kids as a deterrent policy. this is something i think is actually unacceptable, and is something that as americans we shouldn't be doing. this really isn't a republican or democratic issue. this is an issue about how should you treat children. and that's something that i saw last night. >> and that's why i think a lot of people are outraged for one, and also baffled why the president, who he says hates
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what he sees happening, has continued to allow it to happen. >> this is clearly something that the administration can change. they don't need legislation to change it. they don't ned democrats in order to change it. this is a department of justice policy. and this is something that's being enacted by hhs. one of the things i did learn when i was there was there's still a lot of questions that are unanswered about what is actually going on. the kids are 16-year-old and 17-year-old boys. these are kids that have been in other facilities in other parts of the country that have been moved to this facility in order for room to be made for the kids that are being separated from their parents. now, the question that i've had for hhs is how do the parents that are separated from their kids know where their kids are? how does the kids know where their parents are? how long is this policy going to last? is it having the intended effect that the administration wanted to have? there's a lot of folks that aren't talking to one another
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within the administration. on the ground, in el paso. there's a lot of people that didn't know what it was, indeed, going on at this one facility and knew even less about the policies that were -- that were generated this kind of behavior. and ultimately, you know, what we need to be doing to secure our border. it is 2018. we don't have operational control of our border. but we shouldn't use a fourth century tool like a 30-foot high concrete structure and tent cities to solve a 21st century problem. we need additional immigration judges in order to apply consequences to people that are violating the law. there are alternative forms of detention that have proven to be more effective and a lot cheaper. those are the kinds of things we should be looking at. where was the analysis done by hhs and doj when they decided to take this one path over others?
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these are still some of the questions that i have even after having toured this facility. >> so you just laid out a lot of questions. a lot of ideas and points in there. first, is that immigration the bigger immigration legislation that i know congress is working on. so i'll ask you about that in the follow up. getting back to just this issue at hand with the children and parents being separated at the border and now being dispersed to different detention facilities or holding facilities, whatever you want to call them. you talked about touring texas, this temporary facility erected there, and you don't have the answers to the questions you were asking about whether the federal officials who are doing the separation are now tracking where the families are going and have a sense of whether they are even in contact with each other, when the parents and children are separated? >> that's correct. that's an issue folks back in
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washington, d.c. have to figure out. the facility has 16-year-old boys that are considered unaccompanied minors. when they came into this country, they were by themselves. and they were in other facilities that were state approved and state run. and they got taken out of those facilities and moved to tornillo. so on site there are folks that are working with them on triing to find a family member, whether in the united states or back in their home country. they have access to probono legal services. but this is a symptom of a larger problem and that larger problem is that we're taking kids out of the hands of their family. we know from october 2017 to april of this year, there were 700 kids that were separated from their parents. 100 of those were kids that were under the age of 4. and so they were taken away probably for the first time to be away from their mother and
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father. i don't know who -- i don't think anybody thinks that's an acceptable behavior in an industrialized country. and so we also know that over the last two months that doj has separated 2,000 kids from their parents. and, again, all these questions still exist. and if we have to separate kids from their parents, then we probably need to rethink our strategy on how we're securing our country. let's take coast guard. coast guard is only able to action 25% of the known drugs they know that are coming in this country which means 75% is not being actioned. let's put some more resources in coast guard. make sure we're using technology alo along the border. i have more border than any member of congress. 820 miles of border. these are some of the smart solutions we should be doing to make sure we actually have operational control of our border. and let's make sure we have more
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immigration judges and address the root causes in places like honduras and el salvador and nicaragua. these are all better paths forward. we can work together in a bipartisan way and ultimately solve. this problem is too complicated to try to solve it one party by themselves. we have to work in a bipartisan fashion. >> what you're saying is what we're also hearing from a number of democrats. it sounds like you agree on a lot of issues. republicans and democrats. and yet we aren't seeing anybody working together. in fact, my understanding is the republican bill negotiated in the house has only been dealing with republicans at the table. no democrats were invited. again, i don't understand why. the president could end what's happening right now at the border with the separation of the families and children and parents. will you call on the president to end this practice now?
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>> i have and i continue to do that. i just make one correction in your previous statement. there is a bipartisan piece of legislation on solving border security and daca specifically and does things like addresses issues like catch and release and ultimately the problem of having to detain so many people. it's something i've been working on with peting e agular from california. this was the bill that we were working on in order to move forward. there is bipartisan legislation that has been negotiated -- >> why isn't that getting -- >> you have to ask because that's what we're trying to get done. i believe if it were brought to the floor, to the house, that it would pass in joempling fashion with republicans and democrats. >> congressman will hurd, thank
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football fans from mexico who had come to witness this, to take part in this world cup 2018 here in russia. the russian authorities are trying to play this whole incident down saying it was not intentional. they say they've opened a criminal case in terms of a road traffic investigation. they're saying the driver simply lost control of the vehicle and plowed through those pedestrians. he then of course opened his driver door and attempted to make a run for it. he attempted to do a hit and run as it were before he was taken and held by onlookers before the police arrived. russia of course has some serious security concerns when it comes to staging an event as big as this. not just in moscow but across 11 cities in russia. it's had threats from islamic militants from syria who have said they will carry out revenge attacks against russia during the world cup.
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it also has homegrown problems with islamists and jihadists. so these are all concerns that the russian authorities have been working very hard to contain to make sure this event goes as smoothly as possible. this it seems was not a terrorist attack, it was an unintentional road attack according to authorityings. but it pulls into focus how difficult it is to make sure an event like the world cup goes off safely. >> thank you, matthew. up next, you will meet the north korean defector who battled starvation and had to eat mice just to survive before escaping. ♪
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president trump says he wants americans to treat him the way north koreans treat their supreme leader kim jong-un. >> hey, he's the head of a country and, i mean, he's the strong head, don't let anyone think anything different. he speaks and his people sit up at attention. i want my people to do the same. >> the president later said he was kidding, but this isn't the first time trump has suggested he is envious of kim's control. "the washington post" writes that the president, quote, jokes that even the administration-friendly fox news was not as liavish in its prais as the state tv anchor and that maybe she should get a job on u.s. television instead. the white house clarified the president was kidding about that
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too. what is a joke and what isn't? considering the president's latest remarks follow a week of extreme praise for the brutal dictator. >> really, he's got a great personality. he's, you know, a funny guy. he's a very smart guy. he's a great negotiator. he is very talented. anybody who takes over a situation like he did at 26 years of age and is able to run it and run it off. he's a very smart guy. he's a great negotiator. but i think we understand each other. i think he really wants to do a great job for north korea. i have a good relationship with kim jong-un. that's a very important thing. >> on top of all these compliments, the president also made this outrageous claim. >> loves his people, loves his country. he wants a lot of good things. that's why he's doing this. >> let's look at how kim jong-un treats his own people. you decide if he loves them.
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north korea sentences its people without trial, prisoners are often starved, tortured and raped. the government forced abortions and killing of babies. of these abortions have been carried out by having men stand on women's stomachs or by injecting motor oil into a mother's womb. in one case, a newborn baby was fed to dogs. kim keeps his control through deadly force. in his fictirst six years as leader, he killed one official by firing squad for having poor posture. another by machine guns for falling asleep during a meeting. another by machine guns and a flame thrower. there was also that time last year when kim allegedly had his own half-brother assassinated at an airport in malaysia. yet according to president trump, this is a guy who really loves his people. when kim's people do try to leave or, rather, escape like
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this soldier did last year, the government tries to murder them. this soldier was shot five times before making it across the border and into south korea. the doctors who saved his life say he was full of parasitic worms and suffering from a chronic liver infection. and it's not just kim's own people who are tortured. american student otto warmbier was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor for trying to steal a poster. he died just days after the north koreans released him. here's how his parents say they found him. >> we get to the top of the steps and we look across in the airplane and otto is laying on a stretcher. he's strapped to the stretcher. and he's moving around and jerking violently, making these howling inhuman sounds. he has a shaved head. his eyes are darting around -- they're as big as saucers.
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he's blind. he's deaf. he's got a feeding tube. and we kneel down and we hug him and try to connect with him and he's a complete vegetable. and his bottom teeth look like they had taken a pair of pliers and rearranged them. >> that was just last year. when confronted with these human rights atrocities, the president appeared to excuse them. >> he is a killer. he's executing people and he's done some really bad things. >> yes, but so have a lot of other people done some really bad things. i mean, i could go through a lot of nations where a lot of bad things were done. >> similar to what trump said about another strong man, vladimir putin. >> do you respect putin? >> i do. >> why? >> i respect a lot of people but that doesn't mean i'm going to get along with them. >> putin's a killer.
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>> a lot of killers. we get a lot of killers. you think our country's so innocent? >> his admiration doesn't end there. the president has gone so far as to embrace a change to china's constitution that would allow president xi to rule for life, much like kim jong-un and vladimir putin. >> a great gentleman. he's now president for life. president for life. look, he was able to do that. i think it's great. maybe we'll have to give that a shot some day. >> president trump later said he was kidding about that too. so to recap, the president has repeat lid and openly expressed at mir ration for strong men and after meeting one of the most brutal dictators in the world, president trump came away hailing kim's love of his people.
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no one knows better than my next guest. the former north korean who is now a american citizen. how do you feel about president trump praising kim jong-un? >> when i hear that i feel very surprised. because the dictator of north korea does not deserve those compliment word. however the u.s. president co
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complimented the leader of north korea. which he couldn't get those compliments. i feel very angry when i hear those words. because he is not the person who can hear that. those 2.5 million people in north korea should hear those compliments because they're trying to live under the dictatorship. >> you have talked about what it is like to live under that dictatorship, battling starvation. you had to eat mice to survive. tell us more. what was life like in north korea for you and your family? >> well, my family, we lived -- we tried very hard to live in our country. father, mother. my parents tried their best to survive in north korea. however, our daily life was hungry, cold and fear.
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my childhood memory was very horrible. when i was there. we constantly were starving, hungry, more than ten days. for more than ten days, we were drinking cold water only without any food. and of course i had to recover malnutrition being eating boiled mice soup. so not only my family, not only my story, there's 10,000, families in north korea still suffering, still hungry and they're still dieing in north korea. so it's not my only story. it's 100 people story. >> what do you make of the lack of discussion of the human rights atrussties being committed in north korea? >> i wish the u.s. president trump commissioned the human rights issues with kim jong-un. however, it's not mentioned in the summit so i feel very disappointed about that. >> president trump says he wants americans to react to him more like north koreans react to kim
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jong-un. we see people fawning over kim, sitting at attention. why do people do this in north korea given the reality on the ground there? >> well, i would say the summit itself was very successful summit for kim jong-un, the leader of north korea, because of the presence of his journey made people to think differently about kim jong-un and his image was completely changed after this summit. so i would say a lot of people wanted to see how those dictatorships looked like. i think people are very interested about kim jong-un himself. we kind of forgot about what he did and then what he's doing for his own people. >> do you actually think kim jong-un is ready for a change in north korea? what's your sense of where this is going to go?
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he will not give up the nuclear weapon and he will not change anything for his own people. because if he want to change his own country and give benefits to his own people that means he has to open whole country to international world and get more information and let people know how they were isolated and how they are controlled by their government. but if they do so, a lot of people will think differently and they will -- they might against their government and north korean government is very afraid of revolution and very afraid about those information goes into north korea and makes changes instead of people's mind. so i don't believe -- like for 70 years they have been protecting their people from outside information. and now he wants to change and make -- like give benefits to their own people? i do not believe that will be true. >> grace jo, thank you very much for sharing your experience with us, giving us a little bit of a
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peak behind the curtain into what life is really like in north korea. we appreciate it. >> thank you, my pleasure. two members of the trump administration pulling out their bible in defense of the practice of separating parents and children at the border. so does that argument hold water? two men of the cloth join me live next. oh, you brought butch. yeah! (butch growls at man) he's looking at me right now, isn't he? yup. (butch barks at man) butch is like an old soul that just hates my guts.
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the trump administration using the bible to defend its policy of separating children from parents at the u.s. border. take a listen. >> i can say that it is very
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biblical. >> i would cite you to the apostle paul and his clear and wise command in romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because god has ordained the government for his purposes. >> some of these comments come after pushback from religious leaders including some of the same evangelicals who helped trump win the white house. reverend daryl scott, ceo of the national diversity coalition for trump and founder and senior pastor of new spirit revival center. and also joining us, father beck, a catholic priest and cnn religious commentator. what do you make of the administration's biblical defense of separating families at the border? >> ana, let me be very clear right from the top, that to cherry pick a biblical passage such as this out of context to support nefarious and diabolical governmental policy is immoral
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and i would say borders on sinful because of the possible ill effects it has on others. you cannot take this text out of context to use it to justify your own means or your own ends. why does attorney general jeff sessions talk about the fact that in this passage, it talks about love of enemies, the need to love one another. you have to take the full context of what is trying to be said. i think it's wrong to use the passage and he certainly used it wrongly. >> reverend scott, you support this president. do you support the administration using religion and citing the bible to defend this controversial policy? >> well, you know, i think that the use of the bible scripture was a little bit inappropriate. however that scripture was not taken out of context. you are to obey civil authority as long as it doesn't contradict moral authority. it doesn't contradict the moral
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precepts that got has instituted. you know, to bring these children in and put them at risk knowing we are apprehended, i could potentially lose my children, that's something i would have to give careful consideration to before i . you get caught and pay the consequences. it is sad and it's it's tragic in certain respects but it is still a reality. >> reverend scott, you don't think jeff sessions was cherry picking a bible passages, there could be others like leviticus, when a foreigner is in your land, do not misstratreat them. there's a lot of other things to pick out of the bible to reinforce the exact opposite of
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the policy that we are seeing the results of the policy being the practice of separating the children and family at the border. >> that scripture is talking about foreign citizens of the country. not having preference or having racial disharmony. not illegal immigration. we are ignoring the fact that these are illegal immigrants trying to sneak into the united states and putting their children at risk. what are you to do, put the children in jail or release the children on their own without parental custody. come on now. there is no other alternative. >> what would jesus do in this situation? >> he would not be involve wd
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this. it is like saying what would jesus do in a traffic stop. a child and took the child to human services and took her to jail, the other alternative was to let the child go to jail or let the child walk alone. we can't engage them. the only alternative is to take the children into protective custo custody until their fate is decided. they are not being placed in concentration camps. >> do you think that saint paul is defending the roman empire with this text, the one who cruise phicre -- do you think that's the purpose? do you believe that saint paul who is prisoned by the romance would be defending that? following the bible and the law is libly call also disobeying
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the law is -- there is far more precedence for that in the bible. >> i don't see the apostle paul encouraging sedition against rome. the apostle paul and jesus said the kingdom of god was not of this world. >> jesus was crew si phied -- >> they did not endorse oren courage civil disobedience. >> they did. he was considered a threat -- when -- >> one at a time. >> the roman empire. >> hold on reverend -- the roman governor said you find no wrong.
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let's not try to go there. >> go ahead father beck. >> it is clear in the gospel that jesus is on the side of the poor, the outcast, foreigner and stranger. this is who he aligns himself with -- >> can i speak please? if you are a christian, you follow the words and actions of jesus. you don't make up your own religion. >> okay. is it my turn? >> i don't see jesus -- >> we have to leave it there. >> reverend -- >> i don't see him -- >> he was a revolutionary and he was crucified for it. >> gentlemen, thank you, we have to go. be right back. -and we welcome back gary, who's already won three cars,
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