tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN June 17, 2018 9:00am-10:00am PDT
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border. >> that's just unjust. that's unbiblical. that's unamerican. >> we'll go live to the mexican border with the democrat leading a father's day march for families. and cult of personality? president trump lavishes praise on dictator kim jong-un. >> he speaks and his people sit up at attention. i want my people to do the same. >> as one of his biggest republican critics say his party lives in fear of trump. >> not a great place for anybody to end up with a cult-like situation. >> has loyalty to the president trumped principle? hello, i'm jake tapper in washington, where the state of our union is learning about another meeting between a russian national and a member of the trump team. trump associate, roger stone, now tells the "washington post" that in may 2016 he met with a russian national who he says was offering dirt on hillary clinton in exchange for $2 million. stone says he rejected the
offer. the meeting was arranged by another member of the trump campaign, michael caputo, who followed up with stone in these text messages obtained by the "washington post." caputo asked stone, how crazy is the russian? stone answers, wants big money for the info. waste of time. the russian way, caputo replies. anything at all interesting? no, says stone. the revelation follows denials by stone that he had ever met with any russians during the campaign. >> i've never been to russia. i didn't talk to anybody who was identifiably russian during the two-year run up to this campaign. i'm not sure i did previously, either. i very definitely can't think of anybody who might have been a russian without my knowledge. no, i think it's a canard. >> stone and caputo now claim they had forgotten about the meeting but their memories were refreshed after being shown the text messages. caputo's lawyer sent a letter to congress to update the testimony
he gave last summer in which he did not reveal the meeting. but stone and caputo are this morning leveling accusations of their own. they say the man they met with was a fbi inform ability. the russian national has also used the name henry oknonski, and claimed to have been an informant, though he told the "washington post" he was not acting on behalf of the fbi when he met with stone. and that he stopped working with the fbi in 2013. the fbi did not comment to the post. this latest twist comes as president trump's former campaign chairman, paul manafort, is currently behind bars, and trump's long-time fixer, michael cohen, is reportedly telling friends he expects to be arrested soon. the pressure building on both to cooperate with the special counsel and prosecutors. now president trump's lawyer, rudy guiliani, is racing the specter of, quote, cleaning up the aftermath of the mueller probe by using presidential pardons. joining me now is president trump's attorney, rudy guiliani. mr. mayor, happy father's day.
thanks so much for joining us. >> same to you. >> let's start with that breaking news from the "post." roger stone met with a russian national to learn damaging information about hillary clinton in 2016. was president trump aware of this meeting? >> i doubt it. i certainly didn't know about it. it's news to me. i just read it here in the "washington post." it seems to me, however, whatever the recollection, differing recollections about this, it sort of gets resolved with the fact that stone did nothing about it. came to the conclusion, according to the "post" it was a paste of time. he and greenberg came to the conclusion it was a waste of time. so i can't imagine anything got back to the then presidential candidate that was of any substance. if he had concluded it was a waste of time. >> i guess the weird thing about all of this is we keep learning about these meetings that members of the trump team had with russian nationals that the tr trump team had not disclosed or lied about before, whether it's the trump tower meeting with paul manafort and jared kushner
or george pap dap allows meeting. it makes people wonder about why the lies or misrepresentations if nothing bad or untoward happened. >> the earlier meeting, know, i don't want to go back to, because i think thathen kind of expla and overexplained. however, this one i can see why stone might not have focused on it, because the guy had nothing to offer. the guy was doing everything he could to disguise who he was. you read off a couple ofes that he had. most extraordinary thing is on some document he described himself as an informant. every informant i ever had tried to keep that secret. you don't, like, say, oh i'm an informant, i can come to the united states. so sounds like a very strange guy. was he an fbi informant or not? we know from the -- from the probe by the inspector general, the fbi at the highest levels here were doing very, very unorthodox things, if not out
and out illegal and unethical. so would they be using a guy like this? i doubt it, because you don't just say you're an informant. >> so you don't buy the idea this was necessarily a sting, the way that stone and caputo are suggesting. >> oh, how do i know? i mean, i would not discount it. the report gives you all sorts of interesting leads to other possible, unorthodox investigations. and i think i'm being kind by saying unorthodox. but, no, i can't say it's connected to that. but i -- i believe that the mueller investigation should be investigated not because necessarily of mueller, but because of its genesis in this very, very now completely almost illegal and unethical probe, this russian probe, that began with peter stroh's in charge.
>> so you're calling for a special counsel to investigate the special counsel? >> not so unorthodox. it's happened. no, i'm saying the justice department should do it. i'm not really saying the special counsel. i'm saying what led up to the special counsel. i don't think mueller and his people need to be investigated, unless something comes out of that. remember, you've got a bunch of odd things that led to the appointment of bob, which is first, we have this russian probe that looks like it was rooted in they're turning around people investigating trump, investigati investigating hillary, who i think completely screwed it up, according to the horowitz report. and horowitz concludes ultimately no bias, but almost everything was done wrong. second, that then goes into the russian probe, which they make a priority. >> right. >> that one they have not made a conclusion about bias yet. because they haven't investigated it yet. >> right. >> i think the inspector general is begging to investigate it.
he's saying, let me investigate it, because we can find out the eventual mueller investigation, including its being premised on comey's illegally leaked memo. i just said a bunch of illegal things. that usually leads a court to say the thing is tainted. so they may come out with a lot of problems if they don't get this resolved right now. >> just to be clear, inspector general horowitz did not conclude that comey had broken the law. >> yeah. >> but -- i want to move on to president trump's former campaign chairman, paul manafort, who is now in jail, awaiting trial on 25 criminal charges, including allegedly witness tampering. president trump responded to this on twitter, quote, wow, what a tough sentence for paul manafort, who has represented ronald reagan, bob dole, and many other top political people in campaigns. didn't know manafort was the head of the mob. obviously joking there. what about comey and crooked hillary. very unfair. the president has used similar language before, when talking about pardons and commutations, such as for alice johnson, scooter libby.
you floated the idea of pardons a couple days ago. if manafort is convicted, will president trump pardon him? >> i guess i should clarify this, once and for all. i think i have. the president has issued no pardons in this investigation. the president is not going to issue parns in this investigation. and my advice to him, you know, as long as i'm his lawyer, is not to do it. because it would just cloud what is becoming now a very clear picture of an extremely unfair investigation with no criminality involved of any kind. i want that to come out loud and clear and not get clouded by anybody being fired or pardoned. when it's over, hey, he's the president of the united states. he retains his pardon power. nobody is taking that away from him. he can pardon, in his judgment, based on the justice department, counsel's office. not me. i'm out of it. >> right. >> and i shouldn't be involved in that ocess, because i'm probably too rooted in his defense. but i don't want to -- i couldn't, and i don't want to take any purgatives away from him. >> sure. obviously he has that power in
the constitution. let me ask you, how do you respond to critics who say you di it on tv, you discussing it with the new york daily news, president trump tweeting, that you're sending a signal to defendants in a criminal prosecution that a pardon is out there and might be on its way? this is thedent and you ink that suggesting that -- signaling, really, don't cooperate with prosecutors, because a pardon is there if you just hold on. >> jake, i don't think that's the interpretation. certainly not intended that way. what it should be, and i'll tell you what i clearly mean. what i mean is, you're not going to get a pardon, just because you're involved in this investigation. you probably have a higher burden if you're involved in this investigation as compared to the others who get pardons. but you certainly are not excluded from it. if, in fact, the president and his advisers, not me, come to the conclusion that you've been treated unfairly. and that would be wrong to do that. and really, nobody else can exercise the pardon power but the president.
people can recommend, he's got to make the decision. and in the scope of pardons, it's true, these would not be that unusual. these political investigations, as you know, jake, going back to nixon, ford, reagan, carter/reagan, rather. even bush. and clinton. these pardons happen in these political investigations. that doesn't mean they're going to happen here. doesn't mean anybody should rely on it. please, listen to what i'm saying and the president -- big signal is nobody has been pardoned yet. if you're going to do it, this is probably the time to do it, to cut it off. there is nothing to cut off. >> right. >> but there is a lot of unfairness out there. we don't know yet the full scope of it. the horowitz report has given us a little of it. these guys saying that trump should be defeated, right, right, right, we should do everything we can. we should take action to stop him. that's very unusual stuff, fbi agents taking bribes in exchange for information. five, at least. so -- >> right. what do you mean -- what bribes are you talking about?
>> i'm talking about that part of the report -- i think it's the fifth chapter, in which they talk about -- >> reporters taking them to baseball games and stuff? >> baseball games, vacations and other things of value. in exchange for confidential information. >> it doesn't -- >> about the investigation. >> it doesn't say that, though. it says they found out that some reporters had done some things, and they're going to investigate further. it doesn't say bribes, it doesn't say in exchange for information. >> yes, it does. in exchange for information. it doesn't say bribes. you're correct. but it does say, in an apparent violation of federal statutes and regulations. the federal statute -- okay, could be gratuity. but it would lead to the firing of any other fbi agent, and possibly the prosecution. i want to jump ahead to that. but that's why the investigation is so important. >> i want to ask you about the comment that president trump made the other day, the team has already acknowledged that the statement that trump gave about
that meeting at trump tower with russian government official who had promised dirt on hillary clinton, that that original explanation was false. that it was misleading. the president was asked about this on friday. take a listen. >> let's not talk about it. you know what that is? that's irrelevant. it's a statement to the "new york times." the phony, failing, "new york times." >> to cle up. >> wait a minute. it's not a statement to a high tribunal of judges. that's a statement to the phony "new york times." >> now obviously it's not illegal, mayor guiliani, to lie to the american people, to lie to the press. but isn't it wrong to lie, no matter what? no matter who you're lying to? >> of course it's wrong to lie. it breaks one of the commandments, i think. however, the president's distinction is a correct one. lie is a heck of a conclusion. i mean, it's one you worry about with prosecutors and perjury. but the reality is, in a
situation like this, there are going to be a lot of differing recollections and a lot of corrections are going to be necessary. that's why you don't want to go under oath until everything is settled and you're sure of your recollection. i'm actually confused myself about that meeting. first of all, i don't think she was a government official, the woman who profited -- >> no, but she had been -- when the e-mail was sent to donald trump jr., he was told she was a russian lawyer. russian government lawyer. >> well, government lawyer. i just thought a -- a lawyer like i'm an american lawyer but not a government lawyer. but okay. in any event, i don't know if she was described clearly as a russian official or just a russian lawyer. it led to nothing. it led to no information. >> yeah. >> just like the thing with stone led to no information. so all these things are kind of dry holes. >> all right. i want to ask you one more thing, sir, before you go and go celebrate father's day. you said something yesterday about the agents and investigators working on the russian probe that raised a lot of eyebrows. let's play some of that sound.
>> instead of investigating president trump, they should go to bellevue! whack adoodles! hillary, what's going to happen! i need a psychiatrist! >> talking about prosecutors and fbi agents, saying they're whack-a-doodles and psychiatric hospital. >> that was nice. >> there were a lot of people shocked and disappointed to hear you attacking prosecutors and fbi agents. >> well, i'm sorry. i had to put prosecutors and not fbi agents but other law enforcement in jail when i was a prosecutor. never shrunk from that responsibility. some of them are unfair. some of them are unethical. the guys who were taking vacations and tickets and -- they should be prosecuted. and the ones i was talking about were the instances where people were described as crying when hillary lost. i said if you're an fbi agent or prosecutor that's crying and you work for me, i'm sorry, i would send you for a mental evaluation. and you shouldn't be working on a case where you have such a severe bias.
and excuse me if i think that doesn't affect your judgment. >> but you don't agree with the people who say that you've gone beyond zealous advocacy into undermining federal law? >> no, just the opposite. if you fail to recognize the crimes, unethical behavior of federal law enforcement officials, you are undermining our system of justice. if you call them out, and you do something about it, which the justice department hasn't done yet but has to, then you are reaffirming that no one is above the law, and that's all we want here. we want -- we want the mueller probe to be investigated the way the trump administration has been investigated, and we would like to see a report with the conclusions, and we'll find out then, is it as bad as some people think, or is it what i think, or is it nothing? >> mr. mayor, happy father's day. thank you very much. coming up, 200,000 children taken from their parents and guardians at the border. present trump says he hates
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trump administration zero tolerance policy of pursuing criminal charges against every adult trying to enter the country illegally. so the parents go to jail, and the children go to shelters, as this one, where they stay until they're reunited with relatives or deported. joining me to talk about this from an el paso texas, is democratic congress man o'rourke, challenging ted cruz. you're in el paso, lng a march to the nearby town of tornillo, where a new tent structure has been formed. 360 children there. what can you tell us about these kids? have they all been separated from their parents under this new practice or did any come here unaccompanied? >> what we're told by health and human services under whose custody they are kept, it's a mix of kids who made that 2,000-mile journey on their own, and kids who made that 2,000-mile journey with their
parents. and at the moment that they finally thought they had reached safety, refuge, were going to petition for asylum, they were taken from their parents and are now in tornillo with no idea when or if they will see their mothers or their fathers on this father's day again. >> president trump has been repeated lying, blaming this on democrats. its obviously based on this new practice by attorney general jeff sessions. take a listen to sessions defending this zero tolerance practice which has resulted in hundreds if not thousands of children being separated from their parents since april. >> if people don't want to be separated from their children, they should not bring them with them. we've got to get this message out. it's legitimate to warn people who come to the country unlawfully, on bringing children with them that they can't expect that they'll always be kept together. >> now, sessions and the justice department say they're doing this because they need to stop
this undocumented immigration crisis at the border. what do you say to that argument, that this is all about deterrence and stopping people from coming into the country illegally? >> you know, i really feel, actually, for the border patrol agents, who are meeting these refugees and asylum-seekers at their most desperate moment, at their most vulnerable. we're asking those men and women of the border patrol to solve international problems, to solve our country's problems at our border with mexico. things have to be really bad for you to leave honduras, travel 2,000 miles, if you're lucky, on top of not inside of a train known as the beast with your child to literally take your and your child's life into your own hands and hope that you'll make it here. once you get here, to try to request asylum, only to find that your child will be taken from you. this is inhumane, i would like to say unamerican, but it's happening now in america and on all of us, not just the trump administration.
this is on all of us, and that's why we're marching today to bear witness to shed light on this, to make sure everyone in america knows that this is going on. i hope to produce the outrage and the public pressure to force those in power to do the right thing. i'm working on legislation with my colleagues to end the practice of family separation. it will be introduced this coming week. and i need republicans and democrats alike to join us to make sure that is america, and that we make sure that those who petition for asylum, we hear their case. if they can meet the credible fear test that their country cannot take care of them and prevent them from being killed or harmed, there is a legal process for them here to reside. if they cannot, we will return them to their country of origin. so there is a way to do this, the right way to do this, and i want this country to do that at this critical moment. we will be judged for what we do or what we fail to do now. this is not just on the trump administration. this is on all of us. >> congressman, as you know, jeff sessions has been raising
the bar when it comes to asylum-seekers saying that domestic violence and the threat of gang violence should not any longer be enough to allow somebody asylum. would your legislation discuss that at all? >> i want to makeure that -- yes. i want to make sure that every person fleeing terror, fleeing violence, fleeing death. i met a 27-year-old mom who had fled from honduras with her 7-year-old daughter at the mccallen border patrol station. they had made that 2,000-mile journey. they had just been apprehended by the border patrol agent that they turned themselves into. she, through tears, in that cell in that border patrol station told me she crossed in between ports of entry, and crossed towards that border patrol agent, because she didn't know where else to cross. she said that she was afraid and didn't know what else to do. i want to make sure that that
mother who might be fleeing domestic violence, whose daughter or son might be pressed into service for a ruthless gang or cartel h the ability to petition for asylum lawfully and legally here in the united states. that is this country at our best. that is our law right now as i read it. and certainly, the eyes of the world, our kids, our conscious in history will judge us based on how we treat that woman within hours of meeting her, her 7-year-old daughter would be taken from her. and i cannot imagine the trauma that mother and child felt at that moment. we've got to make sure we do not continue to inflict t already 2,000 kids in the last 45 days have been taken from their parents. we've got to put an end to this. >> congressman, here's what the president tweeted earlier this week. the democrats are forcing the bra he cannup of families at the border. any immigration bill must have full funding for the wall and catch and release, and go to merit-based immigration. go for it, win. i understand this practice
didn't come about because of a democratic law, but you're in the minority in the house and the senate, and you don't control the white house. don't you have to accept some compromises here if you want to make changes, including, for instance, funding the president's border wall? >> i think this one is going to be on the american people. and i think when we make the choice that we can do the right thing by this country, and for those kids, and not do it at the price of a 2,000-mile, 30-foot-high, $30 billion wall, not doing it at the price of deporting people who are see asylum, deporting people in some cases back to certain death. not do it at the cost of ending family migration, which is the story of this country, certainly of the o'rourkes and millions of families who have fled terror or starvation in their countries to be here. i think the american people are going to force us to do the right thing. that always happens in america. it's frustrating, it's slow. it doesn't happen right away. but ultimately, we get it right,
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i thought i would take a little bit of digression here to discuss some concerns raised by our church friends about separation of families. and i would cite you to the apoll pa apostle paul and romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because god has ordained the government for his purposes. >> attorney general jeff sessions using scripture to justify the new trump administration policy prosecuting all of those who attempt to enter the country illegally, and thus prosecuting them all and separating hundreds if not thousands more children from their parents. my panel here is with me. senator santorum, i believe that you're supportive of the administration's policy on this. do you agree with the invocation of scripture to defend it? >> careful, rick. it's sunday.
>> no, i'm very careful about this. there are many religious leaders who object to this policy, and i certainly understand why -- >> the leaders of your church, the catholic church, are very upset about it. >> it's gut-wrenching to see these images and to understand what's going on. at the same time, governmental officials have to look back and look at the consequences of what the law is. and the reality is, jeff sessions said repeatedly, the law is in place to make sure that we treat people fairly under the law, and we have a deterrent effect. the reality is that everybody who is going to be disagreeing with me on this panel is sounding very compassionate. we need to take all these people in. i just -- i just say that there is a consequence to that. if you say we're going to take these people in, more people will come and more people will come, and w have a bigger bigger problem at the border. you'll be putting more children at risk of a 2,000-mile trek through mexico, not an easy thing to do. there are real consequences no. and this is what i would say to
you. you want america to be open, fine. i would argue, give your addresses out and tell the people who come to this country, you can come to my house. you can stay here. >> come on. >> and you can come to my house and stay here as long as you want. i'll pay for your education. >> come on. >> that's not -- >> you're saying -- no -- they are saying that. >> you're putting words in people's mouth. >> no, i'm not. >> nobody is saying we want an open country. what we are simply saying is we don't want 2-year-olds torn from the arms of their mothers. >> and what's the consequences ofhat? >> the consequence of that is that we're going to have -- >> more people. >> 2,000 children -- >> more people coming. >> who have going to have incredible damage, emotional damage. the consequence of that is human suffering. the consequence of that is that americans that are outrag at seeing american values being violated. >> put them in that situation. >> the utmost hypocrisy. cynicism to quote scripture, the same scripture quoted to justify slavery, to justify that.
shame on any christian that is doing that. >> we're supposed to be a country of value. >> and laws. >> there is no law! >> and look, the law that's in place, the same law that was in place with the obama administration, with the bush administration, et cetera,nd i've listened to former attorney general gonzalez yunder the bus administration who said there is discretion, and that clearly this government, this president, has utilized his discretion to separate families. that's the values that he is putting on the american people. i think you, senator, should stand up and say, no, when we have and see something that is so horribly wrong, we're going to stand up and make sure that does not occur. >> let me just -- these parents broke the law. >> okay. they did not break the law if they're seeking asylum. that is not a breaking of the law. >> they can go to the embassy and seek asylum. they don't have to go 2,000 miles and cross the border illegally. >> should democrats be willing
to give something in order to have this policy? that's what president trump wants. he's using this as a negotiating tactic. >> yeah, but what they have put on the table right now doesn't address this problem at all. what paul ryan so-called compromise does not address, this issue at all. democrats are willing to compromise. we don't want total open borders. but what we do want is to be a nation that does have compassi. rick, you have seven children. if you were living in honduras, which is the country with the highest child homicide rate, the country with the highest female homicide rate, gangs, you would not leave all seven of your children there. >> with all due respect -- >> you would want to save them. you could drive nails through my hands. you would whip me on my back, but do not take my children away. that to me is totally not who we are as a country. >> with all due respect, the only person actually talking about a solution to this is marco rubio, who is out there talking about foreign policy that can address these issues. we have not done -- we have
completely -- >> if you look at -- if you look at what's taking place in the house, and that's why we came two votes short of a motion to discharge to put a bill approximate on the floor next week that we collectively can do to make a difference and then change it. so we have been -- so people are working on it now. >> you're talking about immigration. i'm talking about foreign policy with respect to our involvement in honduras and guate >> i'm from in this case raga. >> you want to solve the problem, let's solve the problem. instead of dealing with the symptom of the problem. >> people are desperate to get out of there. that's happened in the last six weeks. and you're right, there is a foreign policy component to this, but also an immigration policy. it is not either/or. that's a completely false equivalency and i would say to my senator, marco rubio, he happens to be my senator, you should be on dianne feinstein's bill, where there are 43 democrats. >> and that bill does what? stops the separation policy? >> the practice of separating
children. marco, like me, these are kids that look like us, that sound like us. their parents are doing what our parents did. flee oppressive regimes, flee economic distress to have their children to be able to give them a better life. and it is horrible to me that he is instead tweeting about kanye west's new record, and chicken sandwiches and not on that bill. >> so i want to play some sound from congressman luis gutierrez, democrat from illinois, talk about attorney general jeff sessions. >> sessions, he just loves you know, for black people to be in the back of the bus again. yeah, he would love for women to be in the kitchen. he would love for gay people to be in the closet again. and for me, not to have a microphone to be able to speak to anybody. >> what's your reaction to that, congressman? >> my reaction is that we're looking at what jeff sessions' policies have been. when you look -- >> for black people to be in the back of the bus? >> when he's looking at cutting out voting rights, reducing
civil rights, what he's doing as the attorney general. when you look at those policies, you know, i'm concerned about some of those issues that reminds me of what would happen post reconstruction. when you start rolling back laws. and so therefore, we as a people have to make sure that we don't follow the past example, because we want to become a morefect union, and not make the same mistakes of the past. >> what do you think? >> and that's on the line. >> what do you think about that statement from gutierrez? >> it's disgusting. s -- i understand that the crudening of the discourse in this country. we see it. we see it out of the white house. i get it. but to play these types of divisive racial types of bigotry. >> i'm not going to allow you to get away with that, sir. the one that has been divisive and racist issues has been the president of the united states of america. >> i mentioned the president. >> from the very beginning. he has divided this nation. and he continues to divide this
nation. with his words. >> and if you look -- the democratic party has made their lock, stock and barrel -- >> and i get -- >> cynical or not. >> we're going to -- >> his words are incendiary but jeff sessions has gone anti immigrant, anti lgbt. >> we're going to take a quick break. look into my eyes, what do you see? the cult of persolity. it could be the new anthem for the republan party, after this break. hey! we didn't have a homeowners claim last year so allstate is giving us money back on our bill. well, that seems fair. we didn't use it. wish we got money back on gym memberships. get money back hilarious. with claim-free rewards. switching to allstate is worth it.
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thing, isn't it? it's not a good place for any party to end up with a cult-like situation as it relates to a president. >> senator bob corker, republican of tennessee, the chairman of the senate foreign affairs committee, talking about how the republican party on capitol hill is cult-like. anna navarro, is that true? accurate? >> i think it's more complicated than cult-like. i think he has some very loyal base members. >> the president. >> who see no flaw, who see no mistake, who see no wrong. somebody that can see a president who is clearly making fun of disabled reporter and then tell you, do not believe your lying eyes, that is cult-like. but there's also folks who are just afraid. cowards, frankly, who don't want to confront a president that can affect their primaries. we see a lot of that going on in the republican party in capitol hill who will criticize him in private, but are too scared to criticize him in public or god
forbid, take him on in congress or legislatively. and there's also folks out there, republican leaders, who are pragmatic opportunists, who sold out their principles in order to make money, in order to be close to power, in order to get something they want from this president. so i think there's loyal base, cult-like, opportunists, pragmatic opportunists, and just a lot of very scared people. >> what's your impression, governor? >> george will said on friday that the republican party is -- has now been a bunch of invertebrates. there is such slavish add ordation or following, whether because of fear or belief alignment. if there were one place to be able to stand up on your own, i would think that it would be the issue we just talked about, which is separating families. you cannot be pro life and not be pro child and pro family. so this would be one place for people to step up. i think that donald trump is
like a virus that the electorate will develop enough white blood cells to neutralize in 2018 and to eliminate in 2020. >> senator, you've been a supporter of the president, but you do -- you are willing on this show and elsewhere to criticize him when you think he's gone too far or when he's crossed a line. when do you think when you see so many members of your party not willing to call out basic moments of indecency and prevarious occasion? >> i would say any president has a cult-like following. to say barack obama didn't have a cult-like following? he had absolutely a cult-like following. >> he didn't lie like this. >> and it wasn't transferable to anybody else, as we have seen. so i donhink that's necessarily unusual. the idea of why he hasn't -- why you don't call out your president is a very -- listen, it's a political calculus. they're not going to call out a president, because it undermines their own ability -- >> but -- >> let the congressman have the last word. >> number one, the camera of history is relevant and it's on
videotape now. and we will be able to see exactly what history is showing here. barack obama, when he was president, there were democrats that did not agree with some of the things that he said. for example, tpp. they spoke out about it. they didn't reel in. they even with reference to immigration, there was members of congress, democrats, who pushed him on daca, to create daca. >> gutierrez. >> that's right. but the republicans here is yielding everything, and the republican party no longer exists. it is the trump party. and we're losing our values. and when we took our oath of office, it wasn't to a president, it was to a country. we're on a dangerous -- >> let me say as a final word, happy father's day. happy father's day to you. >> happy father's day to you. >> we still have one more segment. are president trump and kim jong-un the next buddy cop duo?
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this is "gps" the global public square. welcome to you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you today from london. coming on the show, the end to the g 7 summit. and the smiles, handshakes and salutes in singapore. why do america's historic enemies seem to be getting better treatment than its long standing allies? >> we're prepared to start a new history. >> i will talk to president obama's national security