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into custody. police say the gunfire sparked chaos and fear. >> shots were fired and a couple people got shot. i don't know if they got the shooter or what, but it's pretty nuts. so it's a shame because they try to do something nice here and people have to ruin it. >> all of a sudden, inside the doorway about ten shots went off, like pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. everyone started running. you could feel it. i was that close to every shot. i could feel the repercussions or whatever you call it. >> cnn brynn glass is in new jersey. what can you tell us? >> reporter: this happened about 2:45 in the morning. you might be asking why that hour. this art festival which was taking place in that building behind me was a 24-hour art festival. it s yesterday at 3:00. it was supposed to continue until 3:00 today, this afternoon, but it has been
canceled because of what happened overnight. what we know is what you said. 22,000 peop 22 of those people injured, 17 by gunshots alone. one of them was a young boy. according to the witnesses, it was a stampede of people trying to escape that building with this art festival going on, which was a number of art projects, also just music, so you can imagine the chaos that was going on. as far as the gunman, all we know is that it is a 33-year-old man who has been killed in a confrontation with police. that's why a homicide tasorce is actually the lead investigators on this case. we also know atf is involved because they found numerous guns inside of that room. we know the governor has been here as well, to kind of survey the area. a second suspect is also in custody, though we don't know that person or their affiliation with the shooting. we also know that it seems the motive for this was some sort of
neighborhood dispute that spilled over into this art festival here in south trenton. we know this is not terrorism related. those are the facts we're getting, but you can imagine at that early hour in that confined space the chaos that ensued, and all of these people injured. luckily it wasn't even worse, as we've been told by officials. >> brynn g ing ras, keep us apprised. thank you very much. with us is brett. your organization apparently had an exhibit at that booth. is that correct? >> yes, it was. last year was our first year. we had four or five moms volunteering at that time when the shooting occurred. >> tell me your reaction.
you have this presence there to advocate for safety, and then a gun-related thing like this would happen. what's going through your mind? >> my first thought, of course, was for the volunteers that were there. i'm grateful they weren't hurt, but they're traumatized and will never be the same. we said every day that new jersey has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, but there is only so much that we can do as a state when federally there aren't more laws that will keep us safe. so trenton is an area that is very hard hit by gun violence. even though we just signed this gun package of six bills just last week, like i said, there is only so much we can do. the state's hands are tied if the federal government won't help us. >> talk to me about this. while new jersey lawmakers have just passed a series of gun
control measures, and you are feeling that there is only so much that can be done, whether it be on the state or federal level, what is the challenge that you feel you, advocates like yourself are facing in terms of what to do next if there already remains this kind of challenge and you have worked really hard to lobby for these new series of legislation? >> sure. well, gun violence is a very complex problem, and we were not under the impression at all that signing these six bills into law was going to be some kind of magic elixir that was going to fix everything. it was the firin a process that the governor is taking, that moms demand action is supporting him taking, also working with neighborhood states about transparency and accountability for illegal guns that are trafficked into new
jersey. trafficking is a huge problem in new jersey, and we need cooperation from other states to help us reduce that. that is our next focus. and, of course, we have the focus federally. we want universal background checks federally, we want to fight concealed carry reciprocity federally because that would put new jersey residents in danger as far as -- as well as every other state in danger. but those are things that moms demand action is fighting for in new jersey, specifically. >> well, best of luck on your efforts. brett sabo, thank you so much. >> thank you. let's talk more about the investigation. joining me is tom fuentas, former fbi director. tom, good to see you. we know the atf is assisting local authorities. what are investigators looking for? >> hi, fredricka. for atf, they specialize in
being able to track firearms, so they're going to look at the firearm of the person who was shot and killed by the police, as well as apparently other firearms were located at the scene which sounds like when th knew police would bresponding, people that shouldn't have had guns just dropped them on the sidewalk, i'm guessing, but that's how they would recover a number of other weapons at the scene. or they were victims of the shooting and they were armed themselves. unfortunately, this kind of action, settling arguments by guns instead of just with fists, has become all too common in many of our cities. and unfortunately, we're having this festival through the night so that at 2:45 in the morning, you have the violence that might have been on the street, anyway, but in this case it spills over into a festival where a lot of people are there, are out on the street. >> and it's difficult, particularly at an art festival or any kind of open festival where people feel free to kind
of roam in and roam out. are you feeling at this juncture more consideration will be more metal detectors, more searches of people who come to large gatherings like this? >> if you have metal detectors, you just won't have these festivals. it's too cost prohibitive to pay for all that equipment, have people trained to use that equipment. i was a street cop for a number of years before i was an fbi agent. i can tell you at midnight, 1:00 in the morning, there are people that come out on the street that you might be shocked are there when you are out there. so when you're having a festival with innocent people showing up and trying to enjoy the festival, there are a lot of people that come out of the woodwork onto the streets and they're dangerous. unfortunately, i caution my loved ones, don't be out there in the middle of the night in a city known for a lot of gun violence because this might happen. you might get a flat tire on the way home and have an
altercation. you might have a number of things happen that aren't good, and in my opinion, this stuff is more likely at 2:45 in the morning than 2:45 in the afternoon. >> tom fuentas, we'll leave it there for now. thank you so much. appreciate it. straight ahead, new developments in the russia investigation. a russian did meet with former trump officials on clinton dirt. we'll discuss next. plus, lawmakers knocking on windows and doors demanding to be let into an immigration facility. what does it have to do with families being separated at the border? a live report coming up.
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damaging information about hillary clinton in exchange for a $2 million payment. that's according totone and former trump campaign communications of michael caputo, both telling cnn that today. a letter to the house intelligence committee obtained by says caputo was the one who arranged the meeting between stone and a man who called himself henry greenberg. neither caputo nor stone disclosed the meeting to congressional investigators. and caputo and stone say they believe the meeting was part of a larger effort to try to set up the trump campaign. i want to bring in manuel farenzio. he te the story for the "washington post." manuel, you're on the phone with us. how did this information come about? did both caputo and stone reach out to you, the "washington post," to disclose to you that this meeting had taken place two years ago? >> well, we don't typically talk
about how our stories come about at that point in the recording process, but i can tell you that both caputo and stone spoke to us on the record. they answered our questions, and we were able to do reporting of our own that told us a pretty wild story about this russian national named henry greenberg who had approached roger stone, and according to stone, offered dirt about the hillary clinton campaign. >> and then you write that there was a text messaging that followed roger stone's meeting with this henry greenberg. this meeting took place in florida, right, and that stone apparently conveyed to caputo that from this meeting came nothing. but what was caputo's expectation about what would be discussed? >> caputo had heard about this
guy, henry greenberg, from a business partner of his who was ruian. and that business partner had been approached by greenberg and told that he wanted to get in touch with the trump campaign. at that time, remember, caputo was working for the trump campaign as a communications official. he needed someone to vet the information, and he thought immediately of roger stone for two reasons. one, there was no official opposition research operation within the trump campaign. remember, it was a pretty unconventional campaign. and secondly, because roger stone is known as someone who works on the dark side of the political world and caputo thought that he would be the perfect person to check this guy out. >> now, the meeting takes place, according to your reporting, with stone and this person by the name of henry greenberg.
and after the meeting, there was a text messaging conversation between stone and caputo, and you write and include in your article, that caputo says to stone, how crazy is the russian? and stone then says, wants big money for info, waste of time. then caputo says, the russian way, anything at all interesting? and that stone texted back, no. >> that's right. roger stone is sort of famously curt by text message and often by phone, too. and caputo was not surprised that roger didn't have a lot to say about the meeting, and both of them say it was such a short and inconsequential meeting that they forgot about it. now, i think that is a contention that they both made that people will have to mull and decide whether they believe or not.
because as you mentioned, neither of these men disclosed this meeting when they appeared to testify before the house intelligence committee. >> right. so you report and remind everyone that they didn't disclose this to congressional investigators, so what's with the willingness now to share this with you, the "washington post"? >> caputo says that he was interviewed by prosecutors in special counsel robert mueller's office. >> last month. >> in may, and that those text messages were shown to him during the meeting. and he was concerned about that and has started refreshing his memory, according to his words. and he spoke to roger stone about it, too. and the two of them decided that they wanted to be public about it because it's obviously a
serious matter to be asked about something by a investigative committee of congress and to not provide an answer that is considered truthful. and, look, caputo was asked if any russian had offered him information about the clinton campaign. and when he was asked that question, he responded either "no" or "i can't remember." now he remembers and he is attempting now to correct that record and to amend his testimony. it will be interesting to see how that information is received by the investigative committee in congress. >> is it your feeling that stone and caputo are now using this as an example, in their view, of how the feds, how the fbi, how they were going after the trump campaign, that this henry
greenberg was an fbi informant, and that perhaps this was to engage or entrap them into something? >> yeah. i think there is no doubt that they are interested in making the case publicly that they believe they were set up by an fbi informant. and the basis that they have for making that claim is the research that they have done and we have posts of additional research about this man henry greenberg. he is a person who has said in court documents that he worked for 17 years as an fbi informant. additionally, he has received many special visa permissions to enter the united states, and those permissions are consistent with the type of permissions that are given in integration matters or people who are at
assisting law enforcement. that's not to say we know for sure because the visas do not say that exactly, but it's the type of visa, the type of special privilege immigration access to the country that is frequently given to people who are assisting law enforcement, and it would seem to support henry greenberg's own claim that he had worked for many years for the fbi. >> all right. manuel roy frenzia, one of the core writers of this ad in the "washington post." thank you for being with me. i appreciate it. >> boris sanchez is with me. what are we hearing about this reporting? >> i asked officials here ether the president was aware of this admission that roger stone met with a russian national back in 2016 who offered him dirt on hillary clinton in exchange for $2 million. i simply asked if the president
was aware of stone's claim that he believed this russian national was a plant put in place by the fbi in order to entrap him and infiltrate the trump campaign, something the president has echoed with some of his remarks about deep state conspiracies that are trying to overturn his campaign and now his presidency. the white house has yet to respond to those questions, but the president's attorney, rudy giuliani, was on "state of the union" this morning by jake tapper. he said he was not aware of this meeting, and he went a step further to question whether or not henry greenberg was actually an fbi informant. he sort of disagrees with roger stone to some degree. listen to this. >> the most extraordinary thing is on some document he describes himself as an informant. every informant i've had tries to keep it a secret. you don't say, i'm an informant, can i come into the united
states? he's kind of a strange guy. is he an fbi informant or not? we know by the probe at the highest levels. they were doing very extraordinary things if not out and out illegal and unethical. would they using a. now, greenberg has publicly -- when he met with stone back in 2016, his account of that meeting differs from stone. he said their formal meeting ended back in 2013, fred. >> i want to bring in laura coates. she is a former federal prosecutor and a cnn legal analyst. laura, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> what's most significant about this article disclosing that. there was another meeting in
florida with a russian that was not disclosed to russian investigators, but they were interviewed about it through --. they were never talking to anybody who was tied to the russian government or was a russian. you have, again, this sort of lecture happening. then it spurs. what it does is cast additional clouds of suspicion on people like roger stone, on tho were advocating that he was telling the truth . it's making the probe all the more suspicious and it's right for a visa.
>> stone met the pretext there was dirt on hillary clinton. they didn't take the bait of the $2 million fered. does that make a difference? >> no, it doesn't. it's not about the exchange of money that may be the issue here. it's about whether or not you were trying to use a foreign national or government agency in some way to try to influence an election here in the -- even if you didn't know what the potential shl. you don't have to have a quid pro quo situation. down the road i may benefit in some way. that could be enough to raise the signals of the campaign issues by the government of the investigators. so instead of just saying, all's well that ends well.
nothing ever came of it, so let's just turn our eyes away, but inevitably it's your state of mind when you did it that make all the difference. >> so they're doing this to undermine the special counsel investigation saying, wait a minute. if this was by an informant, they were out two years ago. th this. >> to say the president has already said consistently that there were appointments. if the person's employment status ended five years ago at this point, according to him 2013, then it had very little
impact in a. i have the meeting of the hillary clinton report. people are already showing concern about peter stjrok saying, i will stop this. for entrapment purposes, there is not enough information to say someone was placed there to entice the president or someone else to do something wrong. >> it is also underscored that somebo somebody. it makes it difficult for anyone to understand what really is the truth. >> and we're hoping -- i forgot, i had amnesia a. >> laura coates, good to see
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demanding to get to be allowed inside the facilities. they were met by police. this after homela security announced 2,000 children have been separated from their parents in a six-week span. president trump says hates what's happening and fal blames democrats, saying his hands are tied. and breaking news just moments ago, first lady melania trump weighing in, her spokesperson telling cnn, quote, mrs. trump hates to see children separated from her families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform. she believes we need to be a country that follows all laws but also a country thatns with heart. let's bring in cnn correspondent polo sandoval. polo, what is trying to be accomplished at the detention facilities where some lawmakers are trying to get in? >> well, fred, people will certainly ask about the politics involved here.
optics do matter with what we saw today as seven lawmakers came to the detention center behind me, a very nondescript building that you wouldn't know was here if you didn't see what was inside. we have seven democrats who traveled here, an unannounced visit. they worked with five undocumented men who continue to be housed here. they wanted to visit with them, they wanted to know what conditions they were kept in. lawmakers in the new jersey area to have to wait an hour and 35 minutes to finally be given their way in. one spoke with reporters after being let inside. >> we must not turn our backs on people who are fleeing from danger from murderous gangs, from political oppression. if the united states has any
reason for being, it's to be a refuge or haven for those who should not fear political oppression or violence on their families. >> reporter: this team of democrats gathered to meet with those five men, three of whom had been separated from their children recently at the border, fred. that was the main objective here, was to come and see and challenge the trump administration's recent practice of separating children from their parents in order to press criminal charges fweagainst tho who entered the country illegally. two weeks ago santo berkeley tried to gain access into another refuge house in texas. he was not allowed in. today they were able to make their way inside. >> just to make sure everybody understands, the facility where you're located, are you saying that some of the people who are being detained there did try to
cross a southern border, were then transported to that facility in new jersey? or are you saying undocumented people who are being detained there were picked up in differing circumstances and are detained there and these lawmakers want contact with them? >> i asked that same question, and it seems there is aix among the population here that's being housed at the detention center. there are some who are still going through immigration proceedings, but as one of the congressmen told me, three of the five people that were here to visit were apprehended at the border and then they were transferred here to new jersey. we weren't quite sure, but the congressman did say they can only assume they likely had some family here, so that made it a little easy to have interaction with their family as those integration proceedings continue. >> thank you so much for that. polo sandoval, appreciate it, in elizabeth, new jersey. coming up, kellyanne conway says it is up to congress to fix the immigration system and stop the separation of families. we'll discuss the political
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joining me now, political commentator andrea bower and mike hill. happy father's day, too. andre, president trump suggested that democrats are trying to use their situation to their political benefit. is he wrong? >> well, from my perspective, of course, i'm sure it's different than yours, but president obama had the same situation. no one, republican or democrat, want to see children separated from their parents. >> but it is happening, so what is the response and explanation as to why it has to happen this way? >> we're a nation of laws, number one. there are certain things that the government has deemed necessary for people to go through. and 20 days is the maximum they can be separated. the conditions are good. it's not like they're in deplorable conditions. we don't want that but there has to be something. we as a nion has to get our hands around immigration,
whether it's coming across the border or in other ways, and we have a larger problem in the fact that we continue to see mass numbers of people that we have no idea who they are or where they're from, and we have people at the border telling them the risk of bringing them across and these people continue to go against the law -- >> does it not speak to the desperation of why families, children, are making this very difficult journey to get to a place where they believe life will be better? >> the reason they want to come here is we are a nation of laws and it is better here. that's why they want to come here. but as long as we start as lawmakers picking and choosing which laws we enforce and which laws we don't, we're no longer a nation that anybody wants to come to. >> so mark, do you see this as this is the law, this is the law being enforced, and this is the only way until members of congress come up with a new measure? >> well, andre is a smart and i. i'm sure he could look
throughout history and find a number of laws that were on the books that he would have hoped the government didn't enforce. slavery was the law, lynching was the law, interracial marriage -- being illegal was -- >> but what about separating children, minors, from their accompanying parents? >> just because it's a law doesn't mean we have to go for it because some are based on principle. >> mark, go ahead. >> let me finish my point. the other thing here is the president has multiple options. the law doesn't say you have to separate families. you could release the entire family. the president also has the option of changing the law. you said president obama had the same circumstance. president obama's response was to open family detention centers, not to separate families from their families or children from their families. it's only since april that the president announces there will be a zero tolerance approach combined with the flores
settlement where we end up with the situation of children being ripped from parents. the law doesn't say we have to do this. donald trump is choosing to do this and then he's deflecting blame and trying to blame democrats and trying to blame congress as opposed to saying, hey, i could have a different option here. another option is on the table, one that is not cruel or inhumane. >> so the president said he hates the idea of separating children from their families, their parents. the first lady's spokesman came out with a statement saying she hates that children are being separated from their families. this is the president's adviser, kellyanne conway, today. listen. >> as a mother, as a catholic, as somebody who has got a conscience and wouldn't say the junk that somebody said, apparently, allegedly, i will tell you that nobody likes this policy. you saw the president on camera, that he wants this to end. but congress has to act. >> he can end it on his own. >> chuck, congress passed a law that it is a crime. this is a congressional law from many years ago. it is a crime to enter this
country illegally. so if they don't like that law, they should change it. >> so, andre, isn't it the president who just started this circumstance? is it not the president who can end this circumstance? >> well, look, we talked about president obama previously, and we saw people in cages. it was blamed on that administration, which it wasn't. we have to do something to deter millions of people from coming into our country illegally. there are reasons they want to come here, but we take away that reason every day when we let more and more people come here illegally. they put their children at risk when they try to sneak in overnight, over dangerous waters. can go to the american embassy if they're seeking asylum. this has become more political because it's good for tv and good for politics to get voters
worked up. but at the end of the day, we have to enforce laws, we have to have borders. if we don't, we will no longer be a country. >> mark, what's your response? >> you asked a great question, which is, couldn't they do something to stop this? yes, they could. they could release the entire family. even under the so-called law, the law is they could release families right now. andre said this is a deterrent. this is a political strategy designed to deter families from entering. the fact that it's a deterrent and not a legal obligation is why we could not do it. some of people who have been snatched up in this child separation process haven't been illegal immigrants. they've been asylum seekers and they're still being snatched from their families. there is a range of reasons why this is problematic, why it's not a legal necessity and why it's cruel and inhumane. i think andre is right. these people are risking their families, they are risking their
very lives to enter the united states. what economic policies, what so laws have we got to risk such high r at entering? until we stop ripping babies from their parents, they will not get a solution here. >> for some reason they still want to come here. >> he just spelled it out for so many families. it's that bad that they are seeking a new place, a new beginning, a new chance, and that's where we are. all right, andre, mark, thank you so much. still ahead, president trump defends his summit with north korean leader kim jong-un as we wait for word about their unexpected phone call today. details on that, next. and a better life is the greatest possibility of all. purina pro plan. nutrition that performs.
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hello again, and thank you so much for joining me this sunday. i'm fredricka whitfield. we begin this hour with breaking news in the aftermath of a shooting at an art festival in new jersey. 22 people injured. 17 o them had gunshot injuries. four are in critical condition, including a 13-year-old boy. a prosecutor said one suspect was killed after being confronted by a police officer and another suspect was taken into custody. police say the gunfire sparked chaos and fear. >> shots were fired and a couple people got shot. i don't know if they got the shooter or what, but it's pretty nuts. so it's a shame because they try to do something nice here and then people have to ruin it. >> all of a sudden inside the doorway, about ten shots went off, like pow, pow, pow, pow, pow,