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we are live in the "cnn newsroom." i'm ana cabrera in new york. thanks for being with us and happy father's day to all the dads out there. anger, frustration, and disbelief in thisoury about how undocumented immigrants are being treated right now. families are being torn apart. thousands of children literally taken from the arms of their parents. and this anger is bubbling over. not only on the border with mexico. this today near new york city. seven members of the u.s. congress literally pounding on the door of the migrant detention center. they're demanding to be let inside. and the people in charge say no. >> as a congressman i'm entitled to do this. >> now you did wrong. now you did wrong. you were doing fine up until now. now you did wrong. this is america. this isn't moscow. >> seven elected lawmakers from
new york and new jersey wanted to talk to people inside who are being held by immigration officials. some of them forcibly separated from their families. as time ticked away, the congressmembers lost more of pr their patience. listen. >> they're in charge. they're going to be here. their eta is 45 minutes? >> no. we have been here since 9:00. we don't have to wait for them. >> this is ridiculous. we have the approval to go in there. i mean, it isn't that we don't have the approval -- >> if i could just ask you to wait the 45 minutes -- >> o'no, we cannot wait the 45 minutes. >> eventually all seven lawmakers were allowed inside. no cell phones, no cameras. and they were allowed to speak to detainees inside. one new york congressman says none of this zero tolerance treatment is about border security. >> ultimately, this fight is about the soul of america! who we are at americans. are we a land of opportunities? are we a land of aspirations? or are we a land of deportation? that's the bottom line.
>> cnn's paula sandoval is there in elizabeth, new jersey and cnn's dianne gallagher is in mcallen, tx text right now on the u.s.-mexico border. these lawmakers showed up unannounced today at a detention center. what did they learn and what is their next move? >> legislative steps, go back to washington introduce some of the legislation we talked about recently. the question now will it make its way to the senate? and what will president trump have to say about these attempts? in the meantime some of these scenes that played out here today certainly were quite interesting. seven democratic lawmakers making their way to this privately run detention facility, a very nondescript building. if it wasn'tor the department of homeland security sign up front you wouldn't know there are 250 undocumented people inside. these seven lawmakers came here today, an unannounced visit, after working with their legal teams for five adult men that are being housed here to try to visit with them and see how they're g.three of those five i
according to these lawmakers told me they were recently detainted at the border, separated from their family, and then brought here. this is what they were here to do. these new jersey and new york area lawmakers, as you just showed a little while ago. there were certainly some tense moments here where supervisors had to get involved. the local police department also coming in. but eventually of course things did remain peaceful and these legisls were allowed m. a meeting with these individuals for about an hour or so. they describe very emotional moments spending their time with these fathers on father's day. some of them having to wipe their tears as they described being torn away from their children as well. the question, though, will this actually lead to any change? and finally of course important to point out while these kinds of scenes we witnessed today are extraordinary, they certainly are not unusual. two weeks ago today we saw an oregon senator try to get access to a facility in brownsville, texas. and then today we're also seeing
some of these similar tours as well take place in other parts of the country as well. this is what we're seeing from some of the democrats in the house trying to get that message out there that they are hoping to fight back against this directive that's been issued by the trump administration. >> democrats in the house and in the senate, which takes us to dianne gallagher there on the u.s.-mexico border where other u.s. lawmakers were visiting today. tell us about what they're doing there, dianne. >> that's right, ana. they actually just left this particular facility. this is the rio grande valley centralized processing center. they deal with more cases than any other in the nation. in fact, more children have been separated from their family leaving this facility, 1,174 from this facility alone since the zero tolerance policy began, than any other in the country. and senator chris van hollen, senator jeff merkley, they were part of a tour a little bit earlier today going inside there. here's what they had to say about what they saw inside. >> senator merkley and i just
visited one of the processing centers here in mcallen, where they are putting a lot of the kids and separating them from their parents. we talked to one of the moms there who had been separated from her daughter. the mom and daughter had come from guatemala. they a asylum. but now the mom's being prosecuted as a criminal and will be separated from her . this is a deliberate and inhumane policy, and we are here to say to president trump end it, end it today. >> and the senators as well as some congressmen and women are on their way to brownsville to another facility right now. ana, i also got a chance to tour inside this facility today. i can tell you that going in there there still are a lot of families that are being held together. a lot of these families don't even know they're going to be separated until the moment before it happens. they give them a sheet of paper that kind of gives them some phone numbers and gives them some hotlines and tells them what their options are afterward. but the truth is a lot of these parents are going to be going on to federal court and their children are going on to o.r.r.
and hhs facilities to be held. and it doesn't seem like many of them. we were only allowed to talk to a few people. we had to ask permission beforehand. a couple of the people being detained. we're talking essentially what look like cages here. two large rooms. one where you're seeing mostly single men and women being kept in opposite cages, opposite sides of the rooms against walls. you go into a large room and you see essentially a warehouse floor that has about these 12-foot chainlink cubicles where children and their parents are being kept, fathers and their small children are in one area, mothers and their small children are in another area, and then unaccompanied minors as well as teenage boys we saw, about 15 to 17, are being kept in another one. now, i talked to a couple of them. again, we had to get permission, but some just came up to those cages and tried speaking to us. one, a woman who's from guatemala, 24 years old, didn't know about the zero tolerance policy. she had a 1-year-old daughter with her. her son still back in guatemala.
she's been separated from the group she came with. she started crying, ana, when she started speaking to us, saying she didn't know what was going to happen next, she was afraid she wasn't going to be with her daughter after this but she wasn't sure what was going on. we talked to a young boy. probably about 15 or 16 years old. he came from guatemala by himself, he said. really going in there, seeing them sleeping on these mattresses on the ground, just sitting there staring ahead. the senators say they're going to continue touring these facilities. we can't bring cameras in they say for privacy reasons but we can describe what we see inside there. >> and those descriptions matter. it's bringing us right there to the scene. thank you, dianne gallagher, for that reporting. polo sandoval, thank you for staying on top of it from new jersey. sources telling cnn president trump will head to capitol hill on tuesday to talk immigration with house republicans and this news comes after president trump sent lawmakers scrambling on friday when he said during an interview he would not support a compromise immigration bill that had taken weeks to negotiate among republicans. >> a couple of different bills
on immigration probably next week. >> yeah. >> one of them the goodlatte bill. the other is something more moderate. would you sign either one of those? >> i'm looking at both of them. i certainly wouldn't sign the more moderate one. >> what does the bill have to >> i need a bill tha gives this country tremendous border security. i have to have that. >> got to have the wall? does that mean the wall? >> we have to have the wall. if we don't have the wall there's no bill. >> the white house later clarified saying the president had misunderstood the question and would in fact support the compromise bill, and yet new reporting suggests the president is playing hardball to get his border wall among other things. the "washington post" reporting "president trump has calculated that he will gain political leverage inongressional negotiations by continuing to enforce the policy he claims to hate, separatingignt parents from their young children at the southern border." and joining us now, republican congressman dunham of california. congressman, there's no doubt the president's tough talk on immigration helped propel him to the white house. but is it morally wrong to use these families as political
leverage just so he can get his wall and his other immigration demands? >> well, i think it's important to keep families together. and that's one of the issues that's got to get resolved in this compromise bill, this bill we're going to be seeing and talking about next week, a bill we're going to vote on. we've got to fix this. but this is not a new issue. this is something that happened under the previous administration as well. th this is not a new policy. it was a court decision in 2016 that created this situation today. ultimately republicans and democrats have to come together and solve this very emotional but very american issue. >> let me break that down for just a moment because the facts are this is not something that was being enforced necessarily under the previous administration. this is an enforcement choice and a policy that this administration is now enforcing, the zero tolerance policy that's leading to the practice of separating the parents from the children at the border. and the bill that you spoke of based on what i know, correct me if i'm misunderstanding, but the one that's this compromise bill
actually does nothing to address this policy of prosecuting every single person who is coming to the southern border, which is leading to separation of the parents and the children. >> this is the florez settlement from 1997. it was adjudicated in 2016 under the obama administration -- >> right, but that's not the same thing that's leading to the separation, though. that's not -- >> it's exactly the same thing. it is exactly the policy they're using -- >> no. it isn't. >> we fix it in this bill. again, we fix it in this bill. we want to keep families together. we want to keep parents with their children. >> and the president could do that right now. all he has to do is say stop enforcing the zero tolerance policy, keep parents with their children. >> look, i -- we can certainly see more executive orders. i believe that congress has to do its job. we've got a job to do. republicans and democrats should agree on this policy. and we should do our job and fix it. >> so why not vote on a
legislative bill to simply deal with this issue of separating children and their parents at the border without bringing in all these other immigration >> well, there hasn't been a bill like that just to deal with this one issue. we do have a bill that addresses it with other issues. but keep in mind thiilar to the gang of eight bill that was done in 2013 that had dealt with each of these different issues. the only difference was that democrats were in control and on that bill they wanted 42 billion. every democrat in both hous supported 42 billion for a border wall and included diversity visas and a lot of these other -- >> but that was then and we all know what happened to that. it passed the senate -- the house which was controlled by republicans at the time never even brought it to a vote. and that's where we are today. there hasn't been an opportunity for the house to vote on any immigration legislation -- >> right. >> that's not going to happen quickly. so why not just take this one issue, slice it up and deal with it since there seems to be agreement on both sides of the
aisle that this should stop, that this practice of separating children and their parents at the border should stop? >> sure. look, the administration can do different things on executive orders. but congress has to do its job. we have a bill that -- >> right. >> -- democrats all supported three years ago. why won't they support it now? that's the big question. if we bring it up next week i hope that many democrats support the very same legislation they supported three years ago. just because somebody else is in the white house should not mean that they shouldn't do their job and support the same policy -- >> but i also -- but it's republicans who control both the house and the senate. >> and the president obviously is a republican as well. so the republicans are in control. they're in the driver's seat now. your party's in the -- you're still not answering the question as to why not just do this in a single piece of legislation that is not including border wall and other elements of the president's four pillars. i can understand why you want to do that as well. but why not address this issue right now and vote on that in which you could have probably unanimous -- >> agreed. >> -- consent? >> i agree.
there's not a bill out there today. it would be something i'd support. i'd co-author it. i would push to bring it up. but there is not one out there today. by either party. >> is it disingenuous for the president to say he hates what's happening there when again he has the power to make the change? >> i don't know constitutionally if he has the power to do an executive order on thish or not. i do know it's current law, and i do know that congress has a bill that's going to address this issue next week. we hope it's bipartisan. >> you're a father yourself. and when you see these images from the border does it ever make you wonder how far you would go to protect your own children? >> absolutely. >> if you were living in honduras or el salvador, for example, with extreme gang violence. >> sure. i've lived in those countries. yes. and i have been to a lot of these -- this is no new issue for me. i've been to a lot of these detention facilities. and it does frustrate me to see that any of these facilities would ever deny members of congress to go see this. i welcome all of these new members to come to the debate and to come see these detention
centers right now. they should all, republican and democrat, see the challenges that we have at our border, see the conditions of these different detention facilities, and hopefully come together on an american solution where we all support a bill that addresses each of these issues. >> minority leader nancy pelosi i know is planning to go with a group of democrats to the san diego area tomorrow to tour a facility housing migrant children. this is obviously your home state. what do you know about the types of conditions these kids are living in? >> similar to what you've been showing on this network. you know, they are chainlink fences, inside big warehouses, not only in san diego or in texas but just like the facility that you saw in new jersey and new york, where these -- you know, when people come across our southern border, the facilities are only a certain size. and so ultimately they get bused or an airplane ride to one of these other facilities across the country.
but ultimately, the most humane thing to do is to keep these children with their parents. you should never separate families. >> congressman jeff denham, i really appreciate you joining us. thank you. >> thank you. thanks for addressing this emotional issue. >> absolutely. some breaking news. at least five people are dead now near the texas border after a vehicle flipp being chased by border patrol agents. the vehicle was traveling at speeds around 100 miles per hour when it ran off the road and turned over several times. the dimmet county sheriff says the driver was a u.s. citizen but that the vehicle was carrying undocumented immigrants. i want to bring in dave capobiano of our affiliate klbb as well as wovi. david, tell us what you know. >> this is what we're seeing so far. we're off of highway 85. you can see the wreckage directly behind me. like you said this start add round noon. we saw speeds go up to 100 miles per hour. that's when the driver lost
control and crashed here. we know a dozen undocumented immigrants then ejected out of the vehicle. four were dead on scene. we note rest of them went to the hospital. we just found out a fifth person died in the hospital. so we know right now that the rest of them are in the hospital. we do know the passenger is the only person in custody. but like you said, the driver and the passenger, both of them were believed to be u.s. citizens. ana? >> do we know about the passengers that were inside, where they were coming, from what's their story? >> well, speaking with the sheriff's department, they don't really know so far. they think some of them could be coming from as far as central america, maybe even mexico, but speaking with them today he said outright they think that a wall needs to be built around this area. we're about 60 miles away from the border, and he says you guys think this is a big deal, to us this is nothing new. so again, to them this is something they see quite often in this area. >> david catalbiano, really appreciate your reporting. coming up, there is policy and politicians, and then there are
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another trump associate meeting with a russian national before the 2016 election. roger stone tells cnn he met way russian national in may of 2016. that russian was offering dirt on hillary clinton in exchange for $2 million. the meeting was set up by trump campaign aide michael caputo. and according to the "washington post," which first reported on this meeting, stone and caputo later texted each other. caputo writing, "how crazy is the russian?"
to which stone replied "he wants big money for the info. waste of time." caputo, "the russian way. anything at all interesting?" stone, "no." befo today stone had claimed he never met with any russians during the campaign season. >> i've never been to russia. i didn't talk to anybody who was identifiably russian during the two-year run-up to this campaign. i'm not sure i did previously either. i very definitely can't think of anybody who might have been a russian without my knowledge. no, i think it's a canard. >> both stone and caputo also failed to tell congressional investigators about this meeting. it was only robert mueller's team, the special counsel, showed caputo his text messages with stone during an interview back in may that his memory was refreshed. here's what caputo tolls cnn just hours after that interview with mueller's investigators in which we now know he was shown these texts. >> the mueller team knew more
about what i did in 2016 than i knew myself. and i think they know more about the trump campaign than anyone that ever worked there. these guys have got every single e-mail, anything that's ever gone down, and they're clearly focused on trying to identify some russian collusion. >> joining us now is the "washington post" reporter who helped break this story. rosalynn howerden. stone and caputo apparently alleging that this russian stone met with was actually an fbi informant. so help us understand this claim of theirs and the timeline of when this meeting occurred. >> sure. well, it's actually a quite wild tale. this russian man went by the name henry greenberg. but our reporting shows that he has gone by a number of additional names and under a different name, henry okiansky, he filed a document in court in 2015 in which he said that he had worked as an informant for the fbi for 17 years.
now, that document also said that he had stopped cooperating with the fbi in 2013. and we were able to reach mr. greenberg, and he denied meeting with roger stone on behalf of the fbi. but that document, that claim certainly has given roger stone and michael caputo some room here to question is it possible that this man came to them in may of 2016 on behalf of the fbi. >> is there any evidence to suggest that this man was actually acting on the fbi's behalf? >> yeah, there's not. the evidence that we've got is just that history. i should say that he also submitted some immigration documents to the court that are generally consistent with the idea that he had provided information to law enforcement between about 2008 and 2012. so it does seem likely that he has assisted the fbi in the past. but we have no particular evidence that this kind of crazy meeting in may of 2016, that
that was part of an fbi investigation. >> and again, we're talking about another meeting we hadn't learned about but robert mueller uncovered. why wasn't this previously disclosed? >> yeah, well, roger stone and michael caputo both say that this meeting was very brief, it was kind of a glancing thing that happened and they just simply forgot all about it. they didn't give it any further thought. mr. caputo says that he no longer had access to these text messages and so he was -- you know, his memory was refreshed when they were shown to him during his interview with robert mueller's team in early may. you know, i've seen a lot of questioning. i think i just saw some new reporting from cnn actually from congressman schiff from the intelligence committee casting doubt, saying he does not believe that those claims are credible. >> now, if the president was unaware that numerous people on his campaign were meeting with russians, is it fair to question
whether he can really know for certain that there was no collusion because he's still tweeting about that specifically today. >> well, right. it's important to note that right after the election hope hicks, who was the communications director, came out and said flatly there had been no communications of any kind between foreign entities and anyone associated with the campaign. and over time we've learned about more and more o encounters. i think the number that we've reached now is 11. 11 different people assoc with donald trump did have contact with russians during the campaign. that's really quite a high number. >> i also want to ask you real quickly about trump'sattorney, rudy giuliani, continuing to talk about pardons again today. let's listen. >> the president has issued no pardons in this investigation. the president is not going to issue pardons in this investigation. and my advice to him, you know, as long as i'm his lawyer is not to do it because he'd just cloud what is becoming now a very clear picture of an extremely unfair investigation with no
criminality involved of any kind. i want that to come out loud and clear and not get clouded by anybody being fired, anybody being pardoned. when it's over, hey, he's the president of the united states. he retains his pardon power. nobody's taking that away from him. >> why do you giuliani keeps floating this possibility of pardons after the russian investigation is complete? >> well, i think he's a smart enough lawyer to know that the notion of floating them during the investigation might appear as though it's an offer to affect people's testimony. don't cooperate with mueller because you've got a pardon coming. and that could be a witness tampering problem. nevertheless, you have to wonder what someone like paul manafort, who's now finishing his first weekend in jail. he was placed in jail on friday. might think when he hears this sort of continued thought that there could be possibly a pardon down the road. >> rosalind helderman, thank you again for bringing us your
reporting. we appreciate. >> thank you for having me. new this afternoon we're learning the fbi agent who was removed from the russia probe for sending anti-trump text messages is planning to testify before the house judiciary committee and any other congressional committee that acts. an attorney for peter strzok told cnn, "pete is central to this story. we should let the american people see whoa really is." strzok found himself at the center of controversy because of the anti-trump texts including one saying we'll stop trump that he had exchanged with lisa page, an fbi lawyer with whom he'd had an affair. those text messages prompted his removal from the special counsel's team early after robert mueller took over that investigation. now, an inspector general's report recently faulted strzok for his anti-trump bias but also concluded that his bias did not impact the fbi's handling nor the conclusion of the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. coming up, a mass shooting at an all-night new jersey arts festival. 22 people hurt, one suspect dead. we'll go live to the scene next. and the safey for "most parallel parallel parking job" goes to...
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>> all of a sudden inside the doorway there are about ten shots went off. like pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. and everybody started running. you could hear the shots. you could feel them. it was that close. every shot i could feel . like the repercussions or whatever you call it. >> cnn's brin gingras joins us from trenton, new jersey. are we learning anything about a possible motive? >> reporter: we just wrapped up a news conference with law enforcement and they're saying this was the product of several gangs fighting. actually, there were several fights that broke out even prior to the shooting. and organizers of this 24-hour event were trying to break up the event, trying to disperse the crowd when those shots rang out. so it was chaos, though. about 1,000 people were in attendance about 2:45 in the morning when shots rang out between these rife many gangs. 22 people injured. 17 of them went to the hospital with gunshot injuries. but some good news about the 13-year-old boy you mentioned he's been upgraded, doing a
little better, as are others sent to the hospital. right now there are three people that are considered suspects. one of them was killed according to law enforcement by police. he actually was just out of jail on parole from homicide charges. a second person is in police custody on weapons charges. and then a third person is in the hospital. he remains the only person currently still in critical condition. but this really is in a neighborhood of trenton where unfortunately people have expected violence, they see violence, and we spoke with the governor today, who says we need to do better with our youth. take a listen. >> whether it's the right funding of education, whether it's community activity, whether it's job creation so they can look up and see lots of different attractive avenues available to them as they grow up to be teens and older. >> now, as i said, this is an event that happened 24 hours.
started at 3:00 p.m. yesterday, was supposed to continue until 3:00 p.m. today. of course today was cancelled and people in this neighborhood really say this was supposed to be a safe event. it's been going on for 12 years. they didn't expect this kind of chaos, this kind of violence to happen at such an event. and certainly as you can see the reaction is really tough out here. even though in trenton, again, a lot of violence that community leaders say we need to work on. ana? >> a 13-year-old boy in extremely critical condition. that seems unfair for sure. what about the second suspect? we know one was killed, but what about the second? >> reporter: yeah, the second suspect was brought into custody, and he is on weapons charges right now, he's charged. again, he's doing okay. that third suspect we didn't know about until recently, he's the only one in critical condition. that's again about news for that 13-year-old. certainly was a tough go there for a while but he is doing better, ana. >> brynn gingras. coming up the photographer who
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i could sit here all day and tell you about president trump's new zero tolerance immigration policy, the one that's leading to the separation of children from their parents at the border, and i could help you understand it by maybe quoting numbers or statistics. i could play sound bites of officials. or i could just show you a single picture. this one. of a screaming, terrified 2-year-old little girl wearing a tiny pink jacket, no laces in her shoes, stopped at the u.s. border with her mother. she is quickly becoming the human face of trump's new immigration policy, one he says
he hates but is refusing to change. john moore is the award-winning photographer from getty images that took that picture, and he is here with me in new york. john, wow. that picture is something else. it's incredible. it's gut-wrenching. no one can look at this image and not feel something. >> well, i can tell you, i felt a lot when i took it. i'd been phoaphing border patrol observing people coming across the river that evening in the middle of the night under darkness, a cloudless sky, and rafts of people came across. and they were all asylum seekers. and when they came across to the u.s. side, the border patrol gathered them all together and began taking people's names, i.d.s, anding the children in the crowd was very emotional for me. >> as you said, you told me you are a father yourself. what do you know about this little girl's story? >> well, i was able to speak with the mother very briefly.
i had photographed her and her daughter and several other children, other families. the mom told me that they had been traveling for a month. and coming from honduras through mexico over the kofrs a whole month is a very difficult journey for these folks. often very dangerous. and so by the time they had reached the u.s. side they'd probably been through a lot already. >> what was going through your mind when you took the picture? >> well, they had been body searching people as they were loaded into vans to be taken to a processing center, where they were possibly separated, parents and children. and one of the last people to get on the bus was the mother of this child and her daughter together. and when they went to body search her against the vehicle, they asked her to put down her child. and right then in that moment the little girl broke into tears
and, you know, it's not unusual for toddlers in any circumstance to have separation anxiety. but i think this particular situation with the separation of families leads -- and gives a new meaning to that phrase. >> oh, gosh. i mean, that picture,t makes us all get tears in our eyes. it's so hard to see her crying and seeming so desperate. when you took that picture, did you know it was something special, that it could become a defining image of this moment in history? >> well, i had photographed families trying to seek asylum many times on different visits to the u.s.-mexico border. what it looked like in many ways was similar to what i had seen before. and i think the families there, they had no idea that they would soon be separated from their children. i could tell they weren't up on the recent news. they'd been traveling in difficult conditions. but i knew what was going to
happen next. and for me to take these pictures, scenes that i'd seen before but with the knowledge that these parents and their children would soon be in separate detention facilities made it hard for me personally as a journalist, as a human being, and especially as a father. >> the "daily news" used your picture on its cover. this picture has also gone viral all over the internet. hard to find anybody who hasn't seen it. it wrote "callous, soulless, craven trump." the "daily news" wrote those words. what words came to your mind? >> well, for me it was very simple. it was just sad. when i took this picture, i had very little time. when they body searched her mother. it happened only over maybe ten seconds. i had to quickly move into position, take a knee and get on the child's level. i had very few pictures before they finished, and she was --
they were bundled into a van and driven off. and so as i find tasting these photographs, i had to stop and take a few breaths. i was sort of overcome with emotion myself. but then it was over and they drove away. >> do you know what happened to her? i wish i knew. they don't tell you in that moment where they're going to be taken. and the process of separation of families happens away from their lenses. i was able to see about as close as i can get to what it really looks like. >> you know, this picture, it reminds me of some of these other iconic images related to other horrific moments. i think of the naked girl in vietnam. i think of the syrian child who washed ashore on the beach. as an award-winning photographer who has covered not just the
immigration side of things but other, you know, humanitarian crises, i know you covered ebola, you've covered wars, what do you make of this current situation here? >> well, i think what we have on the border right now is -- you know, it's very, very difficult for most americans to imagine that children and their parents are being separated in the way that they are. i think for border patrol agents they see that this is just doing their jobs. but of course doing their jobs right now is different from doing their jobs under president obama. under trump it's a completely different policy, and we're seeing what's happening now. >> do you find them effective as well? >> for most border patrol agents many of them have compassion for asylum seekers, and others sometimes find it tedious processing so many people. but it's -- you know, it depends
on the agent. it's a force of 20,000 people. they're all different. they follow orders. and when they're given the orders that they're given now, they follow them. >> well, john moore, thank you so much for bringing these stories to life in such a powerful way. we all want know what happened to this little girl. thank you again for being here and telling us a little more of her story. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. with t-mobile, the whole family can stay connected with new iphones. which is great, unless your parents thought you were studying. aren't exams this week? somebody's busted. right now, at t-mobile, buy an iphone 8, get an iphone 8 on us. all on america's best unlimited network. only at t-mobile.
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