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disorder. some separated families are reunited, hundreds more remain divided and confused about the immigration policy and what will happen next. after claiming compassion, is mr. trump ignoring their plight? the president tells republicans they shouldn't bother passing the immigration legislation he had been demanding changing his position again and undermining the work of his party. will gop leaders seek a vote? heading to trial. a federal judge issues a new ruling against paul manafort. prosecutors try to prevent the former trump campaign chairman from playing politics in the courtroom. there are new developments tonight in the russia investigation. inquiring minds. the "national enquirer" let fixer michael cohen review stories involving mr. trump in advance. we're getting a new window into the rather cozy relationship between the tabloid and the president. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around
the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you are in "the situation room." trump is telling republican leaders to stop wasting their time on passing immigration reform until after the midterm election. mr. trump attempting to change the subject as huge questions and concerns persist about his order to reunite children taken from their detained parents. this hour, i will talk with david siscillini. first, let's go to jim acosta. the president talked about immigration today. his focus was not on those separated families. >> reporter: that's right. president trump is downplaying
the separation, pointing to famili families grieving relatives who were allegedly killed by undocumented immigrants. where is the plan? so far, the silence from the administration is deafening. president trump appeared to make light of children separated from their parents at the border, turning his attention to families who say their relatives were killed by undocumented immigrants. >> these are the american citizens permanently separated from their loved ones. the world ped permanently you ho think about. >> reporter: the president suggested undocument ed immigrants commit more crimes. >> you hear they are better people. it's not true.
>> reporter: the mayor of el paso begs to differ. >> el paso is the safest city in the united states. >> reporter: two days after the president seemed to reverse course and announce he was halting the practice of separating migrant children from their parents. >> a lot of happy people. >> reporter: the white house briefing room sat empty for the second straight day. no officials to explain how the children will be reunited with their families. there were plenty of reminders the issue isn't going away. protesters played audio of separated children outside the home of the homeland security secretary. >> the american people need to hear. >> reporter: as did ted lu on capitol hill. as some of the children were returned to their mothers, lawmakers who visited the facilities talked about the kids still locked up, in cages the administration is hiding from the public. >> what we saw was kids in
cages. we weren't allowed to talk to them. the real issue here is these kids are removed from their parents. they are scared. >> reporter: jeff sessions tried to cover up his own comments telling them the administration didn't intend to split up families. >> the american people don't like the idea we're separating families. we never really intended to do that. >> reporter: even though he warned of that last month. >> if you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. that child may be separated from you as required by law. >> reporter: over on fox news, one host said the kids coming over the border just aren't american enough. >> like it or not, these aren't our kids. show them compassion. but it's not like he is doing this to the people of idaho or texas. >> reporter: no surprise the president is now abandoning efforts to pass immigration reform, tweeting republicans should stop wasting their time on immigration until after the
november election. that's after he tweeted earlier this week, change the laws, get it done. >> we're wanting to go through congress. we will be going through congress. we're working on a much more comprehensive bill. >> reporter: still the question remains whether the administration really has a plan after the president's executive order was signed a couple of days ago. cnn is learning that administration officials across various agencies have been debating how the president's plan to stop separations of children from their parents should be implemented. at the same time, i should mention i talked to a top gop congressional aide earlier today was asked what the plan is from the administration. this aide said to me, quote, i'm not sure what the plan is. as for the white house press secretary, sarah sanders has had one briefing this week. we can show you a picture of the briefing room. it's sitting virtually empty this evening. the only one this week was with the homeland security second
earlier this week. look how it is this evening. a few reporters in the briefing room waiting for answers that are not coming. we are simply not getting any answers from this administration as to what this plan is to return these children to their parents. we have not heard from the white house press secretary on this front since monday. >> seems like internally they are deciding, they are debating what the answers to those critically important questions are. thanks very much, jim acosta, for that report. also tonight, we have seen some very emotional reunions of separated kids and their moms and dads. hundreds upon hundreds of families still are torn apart. their desperation is growing. ni nick, i understand parents are pleading to see their kids. >> reporter: that's right. i'm outside one of the facilities. two immigration attorneys who were in there earlier this morning tell me that there are
1,700 detainees, men and women. believe it or not, they're not being told that this zero tolerance policy is ended or that families are being reunited. this 7-year-old boy from guatemala reunited with his mother. they were separated from each other in may after crossing the border. this week, the mother sued several government agencies and top trump administration officials asking a federal judge to order authorities to release her son. >> translator: this is the only son i have. i am never going to be separated from him again. >> reporter: u.s. customs and border protection said it uni unified approximately 500 children with their parents who had been referred for prosecution for illegal entry. that means more than 3,300 immigrant children are been separated in the u.s. and a vast ma jojority are wondering when y will see their loved ones again.
allison's is one of the tiny voices recorded on the audiotape that sparked outrage this week. cnn spoke with her mother being held at this detention facility. allison is reported to be more than 1,200 miles away at a children's center in phoenix, arizona. during a report, allison phoned her aunt who did not want to be seen on camera. in a new suit filed in a washington, d.c. court, three undocumented immigrants are demanding access to basic information about their children's whereabouts and well-being. according to the document, one mother who was separated from her son last month has only been able to speak with him for a total of 15 minutes. i try to tell him everything will be okay and i will see him
soon, but the truth is, i don't know what will happen with us, she says. an immigration attorney i spoke with today says those detained have little information about their fate. >> what i was told was it might take a month just for that reunification to happen. the people inside the jail actually had no idea that was even a possibility. they were just -- they are getting information from the news. >> reporter: the trump administration has few concrete answers. you heard that attorney there about a month. that's at best. we're told that these detainees are being given the option of being deported with their children. there is a plea here at this painstaking process moves forward for more bilingual immigration attorneys to help out the detainees reunite with their children. >> nick, thank you. joining us now, a democratic congressman. congressman, thanks for joining us. quickly, what information do you have on this process of trying
to reunite these kids with their parents? >> you know, i went on sunday, on father's day to brownsville, texas. we went to the port of entry, the border patrol processing center, the detention center where parents are. we went to where some of the older children are being held held. it's very clear that there's no process in place. we spoke to ten mothers who couldn't even get through the story about what happened to their children. they were crying so hard and their bodies were shaking. many didn't know where their children were. they were uncertain. they were taken from them. no one explain why that was and when they would see them again. we saw children in cages on the floor awaiting some final determination as to where they would be placed. barbaric we would separate children -- the president now has signed this executive order
which essentially says, we're going to detain families together indefinitely. of course, that's a violation of law, according to the flores decision. it's unclear what the administration is doing. this effort to try to reunite parents seems to be very ad hoc. we demanded to hear from the administration, what are you doing, what are your plans to reunite the families? we're not getting information from the administration. >> in the executive order, the president said he wants to reunite the children with their parents. it's now a couple days later. so much has not happened. what's taking so long? >> i think they have -- there are over 2,000 children that have been separated from their parents. these children were put in placements in miami, chicago, and arizona. it's not clear that they have been very careful about tracking who is going where. at least sharing that information with parents. when i spoke to the mothers, many of them had no idea where their children were.
they had had no contact with their children. one woman explained she asked officials at the facility where is my daughter and no one answered her. it was never explained to most of these moethers where their children were being taken. i think this is a policy the president put in place along with the advice of sessions and miller to separate families from their -- children from their parents. they didn't map out how do you do that, keep track of the kids, make sure they can be reunited because this should never have happened. this is a monstrous policy. we have been an example to the world. america spends billions of dollars around the world promoting human rights. we have been a beacon for human rights. now we are -- our government is engaged in monstrous behavior. now having some difficulty reconnecting them. we need to hear from theed
aminu aadministration. >> is the president's executive order legal? >> no. the president's executive order says, okay, you don't want familiar -- kids being separated, we will solve that. say families can be detained together indefinitely. the court in flores decided children cannot be held indefinitely. our constitution prohibits it. the president makes an executive order which is unconstitutional. go to court and try to get them to change the flores decision. this executive order is not well written, not well thought out. what we need to do is have the president enter family separation period. he started it. he can end it. make it clear that it cannot happen again. these women and men are fleeing unspeakable violence, gang violence, domestic abuse, persecution. they are coming here seeking asylum, which they are entitled
to. you have to be physically present in the u.s. to petition for asylum. they are being arrested, criminally charged and their kids taken away to extinguish the right to have an asylum claim heard. this is a national disgrace. the president's executive order doesn't stop it. what we have to do now is make sure that the department is bringing these families together. the harm that is being caused to these children to be separated from their mothers and fathers at such a tender age is devastating. sometimes can have an impact for a lifetime. >> does congress need to play a role in making sure all these kinds -- all these young children find their parents right away? >> absolutely. we have legislation that is -- has been introduced that will end the practice. we have legislation drafted that will require the government to come forward with a specific plan. we all need to continue to raise our voices. we have written a number of letters to the appropriate agencies demanding information. where are the children?
where are the young children? where are the girls? what's your plan for reunification? it's difficult to get information from the administration. all of us will continue to press hard. i really encourage the american people to say with us in this important moment. we don't want the president and his administration to kind of move on to another issue while thousands of children are crying for their parents. >> there is some confusion as to the zero tolerance policy as it is called. is it still in place as far as you know, congressman? is it in place for parents who cross the border illegally with their children, didn't go to an official port of entry seeking asylum here in the united states, which the administration says they must do if they cross the border outside an official port of entry, they are breaking the law. >> yeah. i think the administration has not departed from that position. they intend to charge everyone who comes into the united states. the problem is, they have made it very difficult at the ports of entry.
people were waiting on a bridge for two weeks to make their application for asylum in is 10 degree heat, no bathroom, no water, no food. there's a waiting room with 100 seats in it that's air conditioned. they used to allow people to wait in there. they don't do that anymore. they are making it almost impossible to come lawfully through the port of entry. people are desperate. they are coming in other ways. we have to make sure those ports of entry remain accessible. i spoke to a mother who came through the port of entry. she came through the right way. she said i'm here to seek asy m asylum. they arrested her, took her daughter. she's in detention. she doesn't know where her daughter is. i think the zero tolerance policy is still in place, which shows zero judgement and makes zero sense. >> congressman, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. just ahead, a new legal setback for paul manafort. he remains behind bars awaiting
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tell us about this new request by mueller's team as it prepares for manafort's criminal trial. >> the special counsel mueller's team today submitted paperwork saying that they didn't want manafort to argue that this was a selective prosecution, that he -- mentioning he is part of the trump campaign and making it about the politics of it. it said they don't want manafort to argue these charges fall outside the scope of the mandate of the special counsel or that doj was investigating manafort, stop that investigation and only restarted it when the special counsel began. prosecutors say that is not true. they want to prevent manafort from saying that. mon manafort filed papers today. he is concerned there could be an anti-trump bias. manafort's team is saying they want to keep out talk of collusion. interestingly, both sides want to kind of narrow and keep it
tight to the allegations at hand, which involve foreign lobbying, money laundering and bank fraud. >> the federal judge upholding the ability to charge manafort with conspiracy to launder money. >> this is the fourth time manafort attempted to witne ede down the charges he is facing. the judge rejected that. as of right now, manafort will go on trial on everything he has been charged with, which is foreign lobbying, not reporting money, money laundering, tax and bank fraud. as of right now, he will face all those charges. he has not been able to get any of them thrown out. >> in another investigation, "the washington post" reporting that the nation"national enqui, their parent company sent trump related stories to michael cohen, the president's longtime lawyer, fixer, before publication. what can you tell us about that?
>> "washington post" story is saying, they cited three sources who know that the "national enquirer" had given michael cohen advanced stories and given during the campaign. is this a campaign finance violation? was it a gift in kind to the campaign? american media, the parent company of the "national enquirer" has given us a statement. i can read from that. they say it's unfortunate and disconcerting that disgruntled and material natured exemployees had no access to how editorial decisions are made and without access to the company's top executives have been given a platform hiding behind the protection of being an anonymous source to grind their ax on the back of their former employer. interestingly, ami did not in that statement deny this practice took place. >> if it's an in kind campaign contribution, it has to be under the law publically acknowledged
before the fec. if you don't do that, you are breaking the law. thanks very much. we are joined by the former u.s. attorney preet bharara. thanks for joining us. amidst this, paul manafort is awaiting trial. do you think mueller is hoping this will lead manafort to flip? >> speaking as a former prosecutor myself, if you think there are crimes that can be prosecuted or proven through cooperation against someone else, higher up in the food chain, yeah, you are hoping for people to cooperate. everything they have been doing in bringing the case in two districts, prevailing on the motions, indicates that they are ready to go and try the case with a bunch of very serious charges that are going to be hard to defend against. assuming paul manafort has information about other people, yes, the hope of every prosecutor is the person will cooperate. >> what about michael cohen, the
president's longtime lawyer, worked with the president for a dozen years? how much pressure in this criminal investigation is he under to cooperate? >> same as manafort. he is under a lot of pressure to cooperate. the difference in the cohen case is we don't know what he will be facing. in the weeks leading up to flynn's prosecution and arrest, there was speculation. it ended up being something mild. with respect to michael cohen, if there are charges that can be brought that the southern district may bring that would result in a substantial amount of prison sentence and prison time, the pressure obviously is higher. it remains to be seen how much they have on michael cohen. there are indications michael cohen is under a lot of pressure. >> remains to be seen what he has to offer. let me put smnumbers up on the screen. it shows that just 41% right now approve of how robert mueller,
the special counsel, is handling this entire russia investigation. that's a lot lower than it has been in recent months. are the president's smears against robert mueller having an affect? >> of course they're having an affect. when the president of the united states, who has the greatest and largest bullhorn in the world uses it to attack the people investigating legitimate things that happened with the election and legitimate potential obstruction, that was approved by people the president appointed, who are republicans, that can take a toll. ultimately, the question will be what does bob mueller do? if he drafts a report or brings charges of a certain kind and there's successes in the court with respect to paul manafort and others, there will be a body of work you can judge. hopefully the same with the ig report, when there was a lot of reason to think that a lot of people might have criticized it more significantly than they did, the proof remains to be
seen. bob mueller has work product that ends up being sober, justified, supported in a way it's hard to argue against, then the approval will increase. >> let's turn to immigration and what's going on right now. as a prosecutor, you had discretion on who you charged. what do you make of the trump administration's so-called zero tolerance policy? the president's executive order that he signed a couple days ago. >> everything relating to this policy has been a debacle from the lack of thinking about it in the first place, the lack of thinking about consequences, a justification for it, the lack of having a consistent justification for it, from an absence of being able to explain the justification of it. saying it was required by law. on the other hand saying it was not a policy. everything about it has been ha haphaza haphazard. prosecutors are supposed to do the right thing for the right reasons.
that's what i said in my office as often as i could. it may be true that you have the authority to do something. but if every prosecutor took his oath or her oath to mean that you prosecute everyone to the absolute fullest extent that the breadth of correctional statutes permits you to do, we would live in a hell-scape. you are exercising your discretion not to let people he have exercise their discretion. it's a mistake. >> is it prosecutor's problem to make sure children are reunited? >> prosecutors are supposed to do the right thing. you don't only follow the technical obligations that you
have. if you decide to have a policy whereby you prosecute every single person who presents himself or herself somewhere along the border for consideration for amnesty and you charge all of them, which is a misdemeanor, you have to take care you are not harming them in a disproportionate way. as one of the judges said in the last couple of days, it's been reported incredulous there was no way for the prosecutor to happen what happened to this person's child. when you arrest somebody, and you take material from them or documents from them or a telephone from them or some other property, they inventory it. you keep track of it. you get a receipt. how can it be -- i agree with the judge. how can it be you take someone's child away and you have nothing in return? you don't have a slip of paper. a lot of people make a big deal out of things. i understand the president has a particular policy and he is trying to engage in the deterrent affect. he disclaims he is engaging in a deterrent affect.
congress said this is a misdemeanor. the punishment shouldn't be the potential separation from your child forever. we don't do that with people's property. we shouldn't do that with people's children. everyone should be taken care of, prosecutors, dhs, the people in washington, private groups, congress, should be doing everything to make sure every single one of these people separated from a parent on a misdemeanor charge, when discretion was taken away to bring their cases like has been done for generations in this country, everybody get together and make sure that problem is solved. >> think about it. almost 500 of these children who have been separated from their mothers and fathers are 5 years old or younger. apparently, they are having trouble figuring out where their parents are right now. that's why they are still separated. this is an awful situation. hopefully, it will be resolved soon. >> thanks. just ahead, the legal challenges to the president's so-called zero tolerance policy and what it all could mean for the hundreds of childrens
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president trump is stoking more confusion as he reverses course telling house republicans to stop wasting their time on immigration legislation. let's bring in our analysts. rebecca, lots of questions about how these children, if these children will be reunited with their parents. what's the latest? >> a lot of questions remaining and that just reflects how messy this process has been, how haphazard the executive order process was by the administration. what we know is that there isn't an organized effort to reunite the outstanding families or expedite that process, rather. they will be reunited after their hearing, after their court process, as has been the process to date. there isn't really an organized effort to expa doedite that pro. i think the important thing to note here is that the
administration didn't go into this with a plan. they didn't direct the agencies to take certain steps. that's led to a lot of confusion here in the day after this executive order. >> you know, laura, you are at the justice department watching what's going on. the justice department says the zero tolerance policy will remain in effect. the government, if it wants to reunite those families, the kids with the parents, there's a possibility that they want to prosecute the parents at the same time and you can only keep the kids for 20 days. >> that's absolutely right. you have hit on the crux here. what the justice department is trying to do is get this decades old settlement agreement modified so that they can hold the kids beyond 20 days. potentially, they need to hold the parents longer than 20 days as they go through their immigration proceedings. there's no indication that this will actually work. this bid was tried under the obama administration and they
lost. the question is, what happens if that federal judge does not agree with them and says no? you can't detain these children longer than 20 days. at that point, the trump administration will have choices to make. they could end up separating the children again, which will just result in the outcry that we have seen in the past few weeks. they could decide to do what's known as catch and release, which was tried under the obama administration where you essentially give people a court date to show up in the future and use some sort of electronic monitoring. most radically, they could ignore the court's order. that would be a bold move and likely result in a contempt charge. it's not beyond the realm of possibility at this point. >> very interesting. susan, what are some of the outstanding legal issues right now, questions you see as far as the president's executive order? >> i think one of the biggest questions is, what is the administration's policy and who are we supposed to believe when they make those representations? laura is right. the most important question is whether or not they're going to attain the modification of the
order. what happens if they don't? what happens 18 days from now when they hit the deadline? at the end of the day, the issue is here about the problem is not a legal question. this is a matter of what the president will choose to do, what he will choose to prioritize and how he intends to handle the individuals. >> we know there's a significant debate within the administration. that's why there's been this awful delay. let me read to you, phil, what the president tweeted earlier in the day. quote, we must maintain a strong southern border. we cannot allow our country to be overrun by illegal immigrants as the democrats tell their phony stories of sadness and grief hoping it will help them in the election. obama and others have the same pictures and did nothing about it. the phrase phony spotore rifies sadness. >> why don't we get serious? let me go back a year and a half. the president within seven days of taking office, figured out
what an executive order was. he said muslims can't come into this country. why did he do that? because he was concerned about people from these countries or let's be blunt, did he want to tell followers as a rich, privileged white dude from new york, we don't want brown and black people. we fast forward a year and a half and we have him vilifying people from places like mexico and latin america saying they are rapists and murderers. these happen to be once again brown people. all of a sudden he decides, i don't know how to use an executive order until i'm almost embarrassed into doing this. this is not about policy. this is not about violence. this in my judgment is about bigotry from a privileged white guy from manhattan who knows exactly what chords he is playing on among his followers. he knows what he is doing. >> what's going to happen? >> the congress has to step up and say eventually, look, if we have people who are separated electr from families in a way that
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we're back with our analysts. our cnn poll shows support for mueller's investigation has fallen to a new low. susan, let me put the numbers on the screen. do awe prof you approve of how s handling the russia investigation? clearly, it's going down. >> i do think the president's persistent attacks, not only the president but members of congress and the trump inner circle, attacks on robert mueller have been working. they are attacks on the system of justice. what we have seen here is the president has a clear strategy. that's to preemptively attempt to discredit this investigation such that it doesn't matter what is contained in the final report by robert mueller. his base isn't going to believe it. individuals in congress aren't going to take action against him. we don't know whether that's a strategy that works. what is obvious is this is not the way you act if you do not
have anything to hide. this is how you act when you are profoundly concerned about what an investigation is going to uncover. >> we have a chart that shows how many times the president has tweeted about this being a witch hunt. you can see those numbers right over there. it's going up with every month. what's your reaction? >> one of the witches went down today. if there's a witch hunt, there's a lot of witches out there. there's two takeaways here. i would bet if you correlated these numbers to when the mueller team puts out indictments -- people don't hear from mueller. when they see indictments, this guy must be up to something. when they don't see indictments -- we haven't seen any in a while. we don't know what he is up to. the story is straightforward. if the president sees these and he is concerned about, for example, a family member facing an indictment, he might say the chance that i can get away with getting one of my family members off the hook in the face of an indictment is not that bad. >> laura, you are over at the
justice department. job approval numbers for the russia investigation for mueller, what if they continue to go down? >> you know, i think justice officials are keenly aware of the public perception of this case. the person where these numbers really put the pressure on, where the rubber meets the road is for rod rosenstein. he is facing a daily onslaught of criticism. he will decide whether the american people see this report. he will want to see and show that this was all worth it. this was all not a witch hunt. this was not a hoax. we just learned for the first time yesterday that two of his top deputies had been meeting with the special counsel's probe every other week. this idea somehow that they are run amok and unsupervised is not supported. >> here is a number that should worry the president. look at this.
do you feel -- should trump be impeached and removed from office? 42% of the american people according to this poll say yes. 51% say no. four out of ten americans think he should be impeached and with the share of americans who in march of 1974 thought nixon should be impeached. so this is a meaningful poll and it should give us a picture of what democrats will be dealing with if they win back the house. that represents the political pressure democrats will be facing to open impeachment proceedings into president trump if they have the majority in the house of representatives, but they've recognized it comes with a share of political peril. they don't want the to wroefr step and lean in too much. that's why we're not hearing much about impeachment, we're not hearing that i word on the
campaign trail this year because democrat load leaders are worried. >> quickly, the report in "the washington post" that michael cohen would get articles before they appear nd the national enquirer, have a chance to review them, the suggestion is perhaps this was an in kind campaign contribution, which would have reported. >> certainly we don't know why federal prosecutors might be looking into h, but one of the most interesting things is that the so-called catch and kill deals by which the national enquirer allegedly puchlsed exclusives about the president and chose not to run them. the president's mistress, karen mcdougle, somebody he had a relationship with during his marriage to the first lady, this is what happened to her. one of the stories didn't run. what do they say about the president.
it might sound frivolous, but these are things that can open up the president to blackmail. it's really important the american people get answers. >> meueller and his team are looking into this. guy, thank you very much. just ahead, after a week of reversal, will the president's newest immigration crisis end anytime soon? chris cuomo, he's standing by live. nlimited he needs, the kids get the unlimited they need. go mix and match! (scattered applause) wow. (man) yeah. sounds awesome. (vo) one family can now get different unlimited plans, starting at $40 per line on the network you deserve.
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tonight, the trump administration is scrambling to interpret the new immigration -- rhett's bring in chris cuomo. the anchor of cuomo prime time. what is the future of the president's order? >> i would argue same as the past, which is it's irrelevant. this is an illegal situation. there's no executive order needed. not to bring levity, but this is neither action by an executive nor an order. so it was a stunt. something to show that the president was taking anchor. we know that that was deceptive. there was f no action taken. we don't know this practice was stopped. let alone remedied.
we do know what you just said is true. the agencies are scramble. this wasn't thought out. this was more politics than it was policy and practicality. let's be strong. push harshness as a testament to our strength. we enforce the law. how we do that is going to prove who we are. but they didn't plan for their own success, wolf. they didn't put the procedures in place to process this growing volume of families they were going to bring in. they didn't have the accommodations for them so they got stuck in a crisis of their own making. >> you think they're going to be punished? >> i don't know. messing with kids is a problem. nobody is so partisan that they're okay with bad things happening to children no matter where they're from. now i might be wrong about that. because we have heard a different echo of trump's arguments from state tv over at fox where they're saying hey, these aren't our kids. you know, kids matter, but they're not american kids.
not idaho. not texas, wolf. so you know, check yourself a little bit and how you feel. i think that's ugly talk and very dangerous. but we've seen in the past that appealing to people's negative feelings, appealing to fear of others has worked eed for dona trump and he's trying to do it today. putting out those families who have suffered horrible tragedies at the hands of undocumented immigrants. >> give us a quick preview of tonight's show? >> we're going to take this issue on. bring on lawmakers. who are trying to figure out what to do here. we're going to take you through the facts of how we got to this place. and what is motivating it. wee goi we're going to debate where it goes from here. also take on trade. i have two hours tonight. because don lemon got a day off so i'm doing his show as well and we'll take on immigration. take on trade.
take on news of the day and hash tag let's get after it will be in full effect for two hours captain, while you are resting with an adult beverage. >> don lemon deserves a night off. he's a hard working young guy. cuomo prime time, 9:00 p.m. going to 11:00 p.m. tonight. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. confusion at the white house over the president's executive order. this as the president pivots. is he trying distract from the confusion with kids caught in the middle. zblncht plus, a mother separated from her son unable to find them. how do authorities plan to reunite this family? and tom arnold is trump cea's f. my guest tonight. >> good evening,