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take on news of the day and hash tag let's get after it will be in full effect for two hours captain, while you are resting with an adult beverage. >> don lemon deserves a night off. he's a hard working young guy. cuomo prime time, 9:00 p.m. going to 11:00 p.m. tonight. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. confusion at the white house over the president's executive order. this as the president pivots. is he trying distract from the confusion with kids caught in the middle. zblncht plus, a mother separated from her son unable to find them. how do authorities plan to reunite this family? and tom arnold is trump cea's f. my guest tonight. >> good evening, everyone. i'm in for erin burnett and
"outfront" tonight, confusion over the president's executive order. the agency's charged with implementing the president's plan and the white house not on the same page tonight. t crucial to thousands of children still separated from their parent, so what's the president doing about it? he's trying to distract from the confusion and the outrage. inste instead, holding an event for -- kill ed by undocumented immigrants. >> these are the american citizens, permanently separated from their loved ones. the word permanently being the word that you have to think about. permanently. not for a day or two days. these are permanently separated. >> it goes without question that all of our hearts go out to
anyone who has lost loved one, but the president appears to be trying use their pain to justify the pain of more than 2,000 children still separated from their parents tonight. sole lly because of decision the president made most of those children have been separated for longer than a day r or two as the president just said. the average stay in these facilities right now is 37 57 days. dozens of them are just five years old. some just a few months old. the impact can last far longer than even the physical separation. let's go to boris sanchez "outfront" at the white house. and is there any clarify tonight from the white house, the president on the federal government's plan to reunite these kids? >> not yet, no clairification a to how the white house is reuniting these families. we did here from dhs that the
department of homeland security confirming that some 500 of the 23 children have been separated have been reunited, but we don't how the process was carried out and what they plan to do with the other 1800 children still separated. sources have told cnn that the confusion rests right here at the white house over the past two day, there have been several meetings between a nump agencies to figure out how to itchment the president's order. how to reconcile the portion of the order that details the end of family separations and the zero tolerance poll i put in place by the white house a couple of weeks ago that created these separations to begin with. sources indicate that the president himself has not taken part in all of these meetings. all this confusion is part of the reason that we've heard contradictory statements in a number agencies and in clear answers to basic questions about these separations and further
what the administration is is going to do with immigrant families that are crossing the border right now ach that eo was signed. frds been killed by undocumented immigrants to bash democrat as, to bash the media, further to essentially try to draw comparison between those families permanent separation to the separation of these young children from their parents as being temporary, further t president again repeated that faulty claim that the united states neighbors are putting their worst in a bin in his words and sending them to our country. so he didn't really do anything to try to clarify the situation or at least show that there was some soof strategy. >> thank you very much. "outfront" tonight, senior political correspondent, april
ryan, and tim and a half taneft. good evening. thank you for being here. david, let me begin with you. the president backed down signed an order and you heard him today. seems like he's still trying to justify it. he signs an order to justify it then says wel, you know, these are families that are pe permanently separateded. of course because they have been killed. it's horrific. comparing it to what he says is a a day or two these others are separated, which is not the case. >> he and republicans have been going oaf this for days to the point where natural allies of the president were begging him to back off. it's important to understand his heart was never in order. in fact, the order is is really request by the courts to lengthen the amount of time that children and their parents can be detained because what the president doesn't want to do is continue with the catch and release. >> it's note bable this is the
same ask of the federal judge the obama administration asked for they asked to extend this the president's message today is that look, these are families who have been perm in and aboan separated, which is not the case he's saying ability these separated families who are looking at right now. what do you make of the president's argument? >> the president's argument has lot of holes in it since this whole crisis has begun. you're hear aung outcry on social media, on tv or in the community. even his own core. to include people like franklin graham talking about family. this is about family. some people are saying that this president has shown that he is the underbelly of decent society when it come to this issue of
immigration. where is the love in it? the heart they were talking about a couple of months ago. this is all you know, a legal issue. that they're dealing with in court, what have f you. but the bottom line is does this immigration policy really do what he wants it to do. no, it doesn't because this piece is just dealing with the separation. because he wants a wall that mexico was supposed to pay for. that's plain and simple. also the issue about permanent, a path way to citizen thip. that's another ib. also, you don't hear the ib of visas. people overstaying. that's a part of the immigration problem. you deal with one issue, there are a host of others and it can't be involved in a moment. >> the president tried to be b a support for some of his policies. his hopes on imdpramigration an reform by painting immigrants
with a very broad stroke to say the least. lien to this. >> i always hear that oh, no, the population's safer than the people who live in the country. you've heard that, fellas, right? i hear it so much. is that possible? ? it's not true. like they're beat better people our citizens ch it's not true. >> there is no credible data to show immigrants are more prone to crime than native population, right? than americans that were born here. but that important fact aside, what do statements like that get the president? >> we were once proud to describe ourselves as a nation of immigrants and this is a nation who wants us to fear and hate immigrants. his attack is not supply on illegal immigration. he wants to restrict legal immigration.
it's a president who ran on this topic. approach, and hassed to make it a focal point of the administration. what happened this week was that he learned that there was a third rail. that he was pushing an issue would not help him politically. that was the separation of families of children from their parents. >> you bripg up what the president ran on. and marco rubio, a republican, but one who has spoken out against the president sat down with david axelrod for an interview that will air here on cnn. hoors a really important clip of that. >> well, first of all, i think he campaigned on it and was elected on it so whether you agree or not, to the extent that what he's doing is conni isniss with what he said he'd do if
elected. >> i think what's interest ng this is that the president ran on overhauling u.s. immigration law. he continuously beat it up and said we have stupid laws and a broken system. he's been in office almost 18 months and he has not led a concerted effort legislatively to lead a republican congress inclined to try and satisfy him with many sympathetic ear to do anything other than build a w wall, a halfhearted tempt to legalize the daca kid. there are many things both sides agree are wrong with immigration and as one republican told me yesterday, the president because of his credibility as a border hawk, has the opportunity to be nixon to china when it comes to immigration but he doesn't lead. >> and he would love that nixon and china moment on this. or on north korea, but to david's point, the president told republicans to stop today. let me read what wrote this
morning. republicans should stop wasting their time on immigration until after he elect more senators and congressmen and women in november. if you're paul ryan, what are you sitting here thinking? i told him to vote on this today. now it's next week and the president says stop? >> if you want to know what wpal ryan is think, he's like, aisle glad i'm leaving. he's tryi inin ining to work so something that's a compromise and here's the president saying no and we don't know where the president's poll numbers are coming from because sources who are close to this white house, republican sources are saying he does not have the numbers. you know, for the house when it comes to the midterms, so this president might be trying to create an era of create an err after of strength that he's standing strong with this. it's a slippery slope. he won this issue, too, so it might be the best for him, but
the way he did i, the way he did it was wrong. >> voters do support this poll sir but you've got those important voter, three out of four women, for example. the more independents that the president need. th this. >> the republicans need to hold seats in states that hillary clinton won. they're not going to do that with the family separation policy. >> thank you all very much. nice to have you here. have a great weekend. "outfront" next, a mother inside the detention center and separated from her 9-year-old son who has no idea where he is. how are these families going to be reunited? plus, trump claims democrats are telling in his words, phony stories of sadness. what's he talking about? and new signs from michael cohen as the president's lopg term personal attorney prepared to turn on his boss. i will ask tom arnold who spent time with cohen just last night.
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is detained and is frantical tr to track her son down. the call came from inside the port isabel detention center in south texas. on the line is an undocumented immigrant who asked we not identify her by name. he's from honduras and was separated from her 9-year-old son nine days after crossing the rio grande illegally. i asked her how she's feel. not good. it's a trauma we will never forget. all of the mothers who are here as well as the kids. the truth is, we never imagined this would happen. i asked her how he was separated. they betrayed us, she said, they told us they weren't going to separate us and we never imagined it would be for so
long. department of homeland security officials have vehemently denied immigrants have been misled. from inside her south texas law office u jodi good win is trying to find 22 children. she represents 25 undocumented immigrants who have all been separated from their children for about two weeks. >> most don't know where their kids are. >> none of them know. i don't know where their kids are. >> she says her clients have tried calling the numbers provided by the federal government to track with their children were sent, but that hasn't worked. only three of their clients have even spoken to their children. sfwl it's not a system where you punch in a parent's name and it pops out the child's name. it just doesn't exist. >> highly frustrating. >> very. and each time i see them, they ask any news? do you have news? >> while there have been a number of emotional reunions
between acceseparated families, there are still many struggling to just connect over the phone. the department of homeland security says there is not any publicly accessible database where undocumented children are being kemt. dhs says the detention centers have phones where the parents can call their children. the ill grant immigrant says hea wing with 70 other mothers trying to communicate with their children. i asked her what message she would like the world to hear. she says president trump for one second put yourself in our place. the only thing we want is is for them to give us our children back. and government officials say one of the reasons why this database isn't wide hi ly access sb ible security concerns people who have been been in custody for weeks still trying to at least make the most of the simplest
phone calls to identify and at least reach out to the kid. i spoke with another man just within the hour. and he says his main concern is the anxiety and insecurity his daughter must be feeling since they've been separated since june 4th. >> absolutely. ed lavandera, such important reporting. now, director of the texas civil rights project, his group is representing 381 undocumented immigrants who have been acce separated from their children. thank you for being here. i want to get your reaction that customs and border prek says all the children in its custody will be reunion with their parents today. your reaction to that and does that include any of those you represent? >> that is good news. that is in fact true. it is good news was for those parents and for those children, the accept is ration will have ended. we have not confirmation, have not received confirmation that included 17 parents who
interviewed yesterday who had been separated, but it should because they had been arrested three days ago so it should include them. the remaining question is the 2500 children. >> of course what can you tell me about the process that your clients, nearly 400 clients are going through right now dealing with the government to be b reunited with their children? are you aware? is there a federal database that they're using to track down these kids to clear where they know everyone is? >> it's not clearme. i hope there is such a a database that the government is using. i know we are tracking them on a database with the parents and the children. most of the children are either en route or at a shelter and the parents are either at a detention facility or some of them are no long ner this system, which means they have been released or deporteded. so we're trying to get confirmation of that, but i hope someone of the federal government is just keep iing trk
of these families. gl so if they're listening now, representatives from the federal government, what do you need most from the government to help in this reunify kags and to make it as expeend yent as possible? >> first of all, a clear plan to reunite them. including process and safeguards to make sure that no parent is ceo ported without a child. that no child is deported without a parent as well as some clear numbers, how many children, how many parents, what state of the country and what conditions are their children. that, the government should held accountable on that. >> when the first lady visited yesterday, she spoke to the children at length and said how can i help. listen. >> also like to ask you how i can help. to these children to reunite with their families.
as quickly as possible. >> so answer that for us. from your perspective. dealing with these parents. what can she do to help reunite them? >> she could have visited facility where the children separated theparents are locate and could have reunited those children with their parents when she was here. she chose a different facility and as far as i know, her visit did not directly result in a single reunify kags. >> appreciate your time and please keep us posted on how these go and what you're running into in the process. thank you. "outfront" next, michael cohen's new strategy? retweeting this picture? is this a message to the president? the man he's with, actor tom arnold. that was cohen last night. he joins u next. plus, are the images of separated families at the border pho phony? the president says he thinks heez are phony stories made up by the democrats for political
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thank you for being here. i have a lot to get to. let's jump in. we know michael cohen is facing a criminal investigation. no charges b have been filed yet. >> none. >> but despite the mounting pressure, meeting with you here in new york, he's not taking reporter questions. did he tell you he has something on president trump? >> let me say one thing. first of all, he's talk ed abou how kind and appropriate the fbi was when they came to his place. you know and donald trump talks about -- >> in stark contrast to the president. >> stark contrast. the president is saying the fbi and all these criminals, it's just not true. the fbi was completel lly appropriate. >> to be clear, he has zero problem with the fbi. >> he has no problem with the fbi. that's a fact. they were kind to him. when they knocked on his door and took his toug. >> did he tell you he something
incriminating? >> i'm not on trial here, slow down. slow down. how can he not have something incriminating on donald trump? michael cohen worked for him. he was his ray donovan. reality show ray donovan. no- offense, michael. he did everything for him. you look how he's handling the thing at the border. he's so bad at everything. >> wee covering it a lot. >> it's horrible. that's why he's in a position he's in right now. where he's got to, he's decided that it's about his family. and it's about the country. not about trump. >> and did he say, i'm not going to try to talk oaf you, but i want to get these answers. did he tell you he has something incriminating? >> how could he not have something? >> is that a question yes? >> well i know from my experience with michael cohen
and trump and the legal them suing me, inappropriately i might add, that i think that would be bad. i can only speak from being on the other end of it. what is it you want me to say? >> i just want the know the answer. if michael cohen said to you tom, i have something incriminating on the president. >> no, he didn't say those words. this sounds weird. >> you have a show that is about tapes and we know that -- >> yeah, he's got tapes recorded everybody. he has my voice. my name on those tapes. >> did he play any -- you're better than me. >> no, my friend. did he play any of the tapes he has for you? >> did he play any of the tapes? you just said i have a show. let me ask you this. if you had a tv show and it hadn't come out yet, for real r,
and you had eight episodes and hadn't premiered it, weren't premiering until september 19th on viceland. would you come on my show on cnn and reveal everything? >> i would answer the question. >> no you wouldn't. >> i would say yes or no. >> you would? >> i would answer honestly. >> would you really? >> i would. >> we're both midwest, iowa, minnesota. did he play any tape frs you? >> did he play any tapes for me? no. >> earlier today, you apologized for telling nbc news that cohen was working with you to take down -- >> no, for saying. >> r for saying that cohen was working with you to take down the president. can you just set the record straight for us? >> yes. i mean he is working with america. he's on the good side. he's on -- that means he's doing the right things. he's not working against america. he's not working with trump. put it that way.
>> is he working to take down the president? >> to take down, those are my glasses. those are my words. those are tom arnold words that i said. he is not actively, he's doing everything, michael cohen is working legally on the right side of law and working with america and he's not working for donald trump. and he is taking care of his family for the first time. i mean, he used to work for donald trump. donald trump says he doesn't know who he is. >> how does he feel about the president now? does he feel the president has his back right now? >> oh, he doesn't and he doesn't feel like it. are you kidding me? no. would you feel like that? would you honestly? would you feel like that -- >> i just think america -- is not so interested in what i think about it. i'm interested in what you th k
think. you know what's interesting, you've had six meetings, you said. with michael cohen. when did they happen? >> when exactly? >> roughly. >> there was the one with don jr. at trump tower. >> when was that. >> and paul manafort. come on. >> i know but ask michael, he reminded me of it. can you call in? zpl the last week, the last month, six months? >> it's in the last again, michael reminded me of that. and it's been, we have a history. one of my best friends is steve tisch, the god father to his son who is michael's son's age is something michael didn't want me to mention again and steve owns the regency. >> where michael ko help is is staying. >> so those meetings were within the last how many months? >> i was at the regency --
>> all after the fbi raid. all six have been after the fbi went into his armt. >> they went into his hotel room. >> and apartment. >> and -- wait, say hypothetical that i -- >> let's ta away from hypothetical. unfortunately i have to get commercial breaks in. i want to stay away from hypotheticals. >> i bet you do. do you know how good he is? he's very good. >> i want to get the specifics and facts. what were the meetings about? why have you been meeting with tom arnold? excuse me, michael cohen. >> because i can't tell, i'm not sure the con tek of the other meeting and i know i sound like jeff session, but in saying last night was about eyeball, i didn't know how well it was going to go down.
if we were going to fight because it turned oult to be a god thing. just a face -to-face. to see what side he was on. it was come to jesus thing. >> let me ask something. i am listening. let me ask you aside from your meetings with michael cohen. you have admitted your mission is to get the president out of the white house. >> of course. doept you agree? >> you said it earlier. >> he's horrible. >> hold on a second. you said it earlier today and your new show is all about tapes that's comes om out in september. do you have any tapes of the president that the public is not aware of? >> yes. >> that no one else has seen other than you and your team? >> has heard. >> thank you. and? >> he's awful. >> what can you tell us about them? >> i think that if people had really heard and seen who he was
before. now this man has been on tape since the beginning of his public life. talking about who he is. pretebding he was somebody else to he was richer that be he was. rating women for how they lookflook f walking with women at the miss teen universe kocompetition nak. the library of congress documents everything you've doneful if you see one full day on the set of the apprentice and how incompetent he was -- >> is that what you haveed tape the apprentice. >> we have a lot of things. >> is that part of what you have, tom? >> i will tell you that everything, every tape, the p tape, i would bet that every tape is real. >> i'm sorry. what's -- are you talking about the word he used on access
hollywood? >> that's real. the pussy tape is real. >> let's not use this word on the program. >> i apologize for quoting the president. >> what are the tapes that you can tell us you have that are unaired? >> you'll have to watch the show. >> we will. but the topic at least. if you can -- >> i can't even say the words because they're so disgusting and it's the president of the united states. i can't say what donald trump is involved with because it's disgusting. >> what is the evidence you have? you're talking about the president of the united states. >> by the way, there's children being torn from their parents and then he doesn't know where they're going to go and there's 230 that will not find their families ever. that's what's disgusting. right? don't you agree? there's in game plan for those kids. >> we are covering it constantly. >> i know. but that's what's disgusting. that's why i'm going to keep on
at him. >> you're asseting that you have tapes that the public hasn't seen. >> i have a show and you're going to see eight episodes. >> you got time. you have tape that is the president, that look very bad. it seems, for the president of the united states. that the american public has not seen and you can't tell me you say the content of the tapes because you want people to watch your show. >> yeah, i do. that's it. >> hold on. >> that's the big deal. of course. >> but you said it's about the president and your belief that he shouldn't be in office because of what's happening to children on the border. so then isn't it morally right to say and put the evident out there right now? >> i think that the president is watching this interview and he knows michael cohen and i when i leave here, i'm going back to the regency with michael cohen. consider this. and i'm going to spend the weekend with michael cohen.
and the president and donald trump, ivanka trump, i'm spending the weekend hanging out with michael cohen. and there's a lot going on. so you've disrespected him and his family and there's a lot going on. that's good enough for me. >> so tom, you are going to spend the weekend with michael cohen. the president's former attorney. >> one person at a time all these people that were friends with him. i've got one person at a time. people from trump's world. >> did michael cohen tell you specifically that he is working with authorities? >> tha he has agreed to cooperate with the authorities in their investigation? >> i wouldn't -- this is too important to me to f around and you know the word i'm talk iing
about. and i have a 5-year-old son and a 2-year-old daughter and that's really why i'm doing the show. and we're having fun with these trump tapes, but this is serious to me and i'm not f-ing around. >> did cohen tell you specifically, really just yes or no, that he is cooperating with authorities should charges be brought? did he tell you? do you not want to answer the question? >> no. >> you don't want to answer the question. >> right. >> okay. >> because -- >> will you let us know what you
learn over the weekend since you're spending the weekend with michael cohen? >> no. >> thank you for being here, tom arnold. >> thank you. thank you. >> okay. next, president trump goes on the attack accusing democrats of making up stories about undocumented immigrants and weighing the risks. >> see it right there. gl families in mexico facing life and death decisions over whether to head to the u.s. border is the president's new policy changing their plan. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, ... with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting.
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tonight, just two days after signing an executive order to keep families together, president trump suggesting the cloerly documented stories of those families ripped apart are fake. in part, the president writes quote, we cannot allow our country to be overrun by illegal imgrarnts as the democrats tell their phony stories of sadness and grief. it is unclear which stories the president is refer tog as phony, but take look at this mother being reunited with her 7-year-old sop. she sued the trump administration for taking her son away after they crossed the border into arizona last month undocumented seeking asylum. the tears and relief hugging her
son are very real. now, indy cramer and maria cardona. thank you for being here. amy, phony stories? >> well, i think one of the thing he's talking about is the picture on the front of ""mtime magazine. it's been put out there that the child was separated from mother, which was not the case. the mother left the husband and her other children and came across the border illegally and she was with her child. with that child. that child was not separate frd the mother. and the mother was asked why you know, why is this child upset? she said oh, it's 11:00 at nigts and child's cranky. >> so time magazine -- >> that's a phony narrative. >> so, to be clear, and time magazine stands by that photo.
and they say this is reflective of the treatment that immigrants come across the border are getting from the trump administration. i hear your point, there are hosts of stories that you've seen on this network and every network that are very real showing the acceseparations thae happening. the numbers from the trump administration showing over 2300 of these kids are separated. but the president said democrats in so many words, they're make ing these phony and sad stories up for politics. for political expediency. >> it's just to embarrassing that this is the person who is the president of the united states. who is willing to lie and make up untruths about the suffering that little kids are going through that families are going through. that his own administration is responsible for terrorizing these immigrant families who only want to come here seeking a
better life. so i think it's disgusting. and clearly, he's doing -- hey, amy, amy, i didn't interrupt you. so i think it's disgusting and i think it's indicative that the president is really scared as he should be and republicans should be incredibly concerned because midterms are coming up and americans are appalled at this. you can see it in the polls and you can see -- >> actually, that's not true. >> the exact same -- absolutely, it is. republicans, independent voters, white suburban moderate women are appalled by this. and they are not going to come out and support this president. >> so the polling shows that three of four women are not supportive of this. >> the gois sh toimt get throug bunch of stuff. >> 55% of americans believe this is the fault of the parents that are bringing the children here and -- >> what poll?
>> rasmussen. came out yesterday or today. 55% of americans. >> i'm referring to cnn. i'm not sure the rasmussen poll meets our standards. i want you to respond to something else. this is what a fox news host said this morning. let's roll it. >> like it r or not, these aren't our kids. tshow them compassion, but it's not like he's doing this to the people of idaho or texas. these are people from another country. now people are are saying they're more important than people in our country who are paying tax, have need as well. >> he has since walked back those comments. he candidn't mean these whirn a less important, but you heard what he said. what's you repons? >> i think what he was trying to say and he didn't say it, i mean he -- let me answer the question. let me answer. >> sure. >> to what -- i don't think, he
obviously has walked it back, but the point is that we have to take care of america first and the president ran on that. that was his campaign promise. america first. and i learned long ago from my mother that if you don't take care of yourself, you can't take care of everybody else. so let's take care of our problems. >> i >> about america and be the economy. do you think the american economy could function the way it functions without immigrants? >> no. we are a nation of immigrants but also a nation of laws and we are not a sovereign nation if you don't secure the border. it is simple >> the president also wants to cut down reduced legal immigrations. maria, what are your thoughts. >> it is not so simple. >> here is the bottom line. and i think those words from the other channel's host said it all and that's exactly what this
president feels. let's be very clear. this president does not want immigrants in this country who look like me, or have brown skin -- >> oh, that's ridiculous. >> with names that he can't say or pronounce. because he said it before. why can't we have people from norway. >> its ridiculous. >> let's listen to the president today. >> i hear oh, the population is safer than the people that live in the country, you've heard that fellows right? the answer is it is not true. >> well, i don't know what facts he is pointing to because there is no data supporting the argument. no data pointing that immigrants are more prone to committing crime or terrorism. is the president lying?
>> this is the bottom line. is that you are taking it, the left is taking this, the media is running with this because the left cannot run on less jobs and more taxes. so they have to find something to run on. >> i'm not running on anything, amy. i'm just asking if the president is telling the truth. >> this was not an issue when obama did the same thing. >> obama did not separate families. >> i mean, let's secure the borders. i'll tell you what, next time i go to the supermarket, i am going to cut to the front of the line. i am going to say, have everybody behind me pay for my stuff. >> it is important for your viewers to understand two things. the first one is the president is absolutely lying. crime statistics show the undocumented population commit
crimes at a lower rate than native americans. >> hold on. what source is that? >> it is the crime statistics that are put out by the fbi, by the department of justice. that is known, that is a known fact which is why we know, that's how we know this president is lying. that's number one. number two, the president says all of these things to try to demonize immigrants in this country so he can pass his draconian laws. he wants to make it look like they are overrunning the border. >> thank you for being here. whether detention and the president's zero policy in the u.s. is the right choice. ahead.
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yesss! linzess. tonight families in central american countries are reconsidering their plans to seek asylum. but for others going back home is not an option. leyla santiago is "outfront.." >> reporter: at a local shelter in mexico north of the border of guatemala. 24-year-old left honduras the day after gang members threatened her and her children. staying in mexico she says isn't far enough to escape the gang's reach. the idea of being separated from her three children has put her plans on hold even here, she's heard the recording of the
haunting sound of children's sobbing. >> she is crying because she had to leave her mother and her brothers. she feels alone. >> reporter: she is saying in the same shelter with her daughter. >> she finds this confusing what order has been signed, what the policy is. but what she knows for sure is she knows she can't go north if she is going to get separated from her child. but she can't go back to honduras. >> reporter: some migrants are still determined to press on. this group of seven adults, two children say they haven't heard much about the debate in the u.s. but that is where they plan to go. explaining it is too dangerous to live in a place where basic
human rights are not guaranteed. they can't go back he says, even if it means family separation. >> he is the president. he can decide. but we just want a good, a place where we can be safe. >> reporter: wilson is on his first attempt at reaching the united states. partly in search of a job. but mostly for safety. he's escaping the violence in his native honduras that has left his body scarred. assaults from gang members. he feared what could happen to his wife and 4-year-old daughter if they join him on his trek to the united states. he says he has heard and understands things are changing. but plans to continue his journey north. and says they are not all gang members. and the reason why this area is so important on the border of mexico and guatemala, many of
the immigrants come through here first. this is the gateway to the united states if you will. what happens here is an indication of what is to come on the u.s./mexico border. >> so glad you are there reporting from the ground. thank you for being with us tonight. anderson starts now. good evening, we have breaking news on clashes of the highest government. in the middle of it all, the president seemed to suggest that the trauma of 2300 migrant children amounts to and i am quoting here, phony stories of sadness and grief. phony stories of sadness and grief. keeping them honest, what is odd is the president claims a number of times about what