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i will ask her lawyer for his take on why the meeting was called off. feeling contempt. a new deadline comes and goes in connection with the russia investigation as the house intelligence committee chairman demands information from the justice department. will nunes make good on his threat to hold the deputy attorney general in contempt of congress? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you are in "the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. we're following breaking news on the president's zero tolerance immigration policy. the white house is defending a tweet by mr. trump urging deportation without giving undocumented immigrants a day in court. sarah sanders claiming that would not be a denial of due process rights.
it sounded like it to many reactions. i will get reaction from chris coones. i will speak with michael aft avenatti. our correspondents are standing by as well. let's go to our chief white house correspondent jim acosta. south carolina, the president getting ready to host a rally in the next hour. update our viewers. >> reporter: that's right. president trump will be campaigning here in south carolina, about an hour from now, later on this evening. he will continue to hammer this issue of immigration tonight and right up until the midterm elections this fall. even with children being separated from their families at the border, the president believes this is a winning issue for the republican party. earlier today, the white house was defend the president's call to end due process rights for people coming across the border. as his aides tried to droawn ou
questions, president trump pushed back. >> the executive order was great. it was something that i felt we had to do. we want children staying together. the law has been this law for a long period of time. >> reporter: the president doubled down on his hardline stance declaring he wants to send migrants back to their home country no matter their circumstances. >> we want a system where when people come in illegally, they have to go out. a simple system that works. we want strong borders and we want no crime. strong borders. we want no crime. the democrats want open borders and they don't care about crime. they don't care about our military. >> reporter: describing migrants as invaders, the president wants to deny due process rights to border crossers tweeting we cannot allow all of these people to invade our country.
when somebody comes in, we must immediately with no judge or court case bring them back from where they came. the tough talk was echoed by jeff sessions who didn't close the door on the possibility that more children could be separated from their migrant parents. >> the president has made this clear. we're going to continue to prosecute those adults who enter here illegally. we are going to do everything in our power, however, to avoid separating families. >> reporter: the president revealed part of the reason for his crackdown at the border that led to the separation of more than 2,000 children. he thinks it's good polpolitics. >> nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, they want -- they want to use the issue. i like the issue for election. our issue is strong borders, no crime. >> reporter: a few fellow republicans wonder how the president will solve the immigration issue while he is using it to beat up on top democrats. >> when the president says that and calls them clowns and losers, how does he suspect --
or expect the democrats to sit down and work with republicans on these issues? words matter, what the president says matters. he ought to knock that off. >> shame, shame, shame. >> reporter: democrats are punching back, booing administration officials as they dine out in washington. one restaurant in virginia refused to serve press secretary sarah sanders, drawing praise from democratic lawmaker maxine waters. >> if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gas station, you get out and you create a crowd. you push back on them. you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere. >> reporter: the president seemed to relish the fight. maxine has a low i.q. be careful what you wish for, max. >> healthy debate on ideas and political philosophy is
important. the calls for harassment and push to avoid the public is unacceptable. our ability to find solutions despite the disagreements is what makes us unique. >> reporter: with all of this talk of civility, i can tell you not all of the people in this crowd here in south carolina treated us with that level of civility that we all think that americans should be entitled to across this country. while we have had people come up to us and be nice. i had an elderly woman just a short while's come up to me -- she came up to me and said that we at cnn should get the f out of this auditorium at this high school in west columbia. she turned to the crowd and whipped them up into a frenzy. calling on us to leave before president trump arrives. we are here to do the job and report on this rally. we're not going anywhere. >> you are doing an excellent job as well. thanks very much, jim acosta on the scene, where he always is.
let's go to texas near the border with mexico for the latest on the uncertainty hanging over those immigrant families, still so desperate to be reunited. hundreds of children in the facilities and they are still in limbo. >> reporter: the trump administration says it's working to reunify these children from their separated parents. but any lawyer and activist you talk to who has been inside the detention facilities in south texas, they say it's far from a simple process. >> we care. we care. >> reporter: more protests over the separation of children at the border. >> set the children free. >> reporter: there's no clear reunification process for divided immigrant families. >> i didn't like the sight or the feeling of families being separated. >> reporter: since president trump's executive order last week, the federal government says over 500 children have been
reunited with their families. but that leaves more than 2,000 others still in limbo, scattered around the country. >> there's no plan in place. there's a lot of confusion. there's a lot of contradiction. >> reporter: under the trump administration's plan, those children will keep waiting in health and human services custody with unification only happening once the parents' deportation proceedings with complete. the families will either be reunited before deportation or if the parent is released from detention and after the parent applies to serve as the child's sponsor. "the washington post" spoke with a father who was just deported to el salvador without his daughter. he finally spoke with his 6-year-old daughter. we spoke to a mother held in a center on friday. today, she's still separated
from her 9-year-old son. it's a trauma we will never forget, she says. every one of us, all of the mothers who are here, as well as all of the kids. she hasn't been able to speak to her son or find out in which facility he is being held. >> one woman told me about her 7-year-old finally being able to call. she couldn't actually hear anything because the child was crying so hard. the only thing that the child could say that she could hear was, mom, you don't love me, why did you leave me. >> reporter: ice officials are working to set up phone calls between parents and their children today, according to an attorney working with clients inside. >> they are telling us it's a logistical process. the vast majority of people we spoke with have not spoken with their children. no contact. they're not told where their child is. >> reporter: a senator of the senate homeland security committee insists the trump administration does know where every single child is located. >> these are career folks. they know where every child is to connect them to their parent
or the relative that came. >> reporter: today at the tent facility in texas, one of the temporary facilities where children are being held, separated from their parents, c this n acnn and others were giv tour. >> no recording device. >> reporter: only allowing these images provided by the department of health and human services. i have spoken with two different detainees inside these detention centers, undocumented immigrants from central america who describe their confusion and anxiety as they think about their children in these other facilities and what they must be thinking about at night. the secretary of defense saying that there are two military installations here in texas that are preparing to house many more immigrants. those changes will be coming in the weeks ahead. >> they will house immigrants with their children on the u.s. military bases? is that right?
>> reporter: that's the question that i think we need to wait and see. there wasn't a lot of specifics i saw coming from secretary mattis this morning. that is the push you are seeing urgently from activists and lawyers here who are dealing with these families as well as many lawmakers who have been pushing for that scenario. we will see how it plays out as all of these situations here have been very fluid, change dramatically as we have seep n the last few weeks. joining us now, senator chris coons. senator, thanks for joining us. on sunday, as you know, the president said when somebody -- quoting him, when somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no judges or court cases, bring them back from where they came. closed quote. is that proposal constitutional? >> no, it's not, wolf. our president is not a king. he cannot simply wipe away the
due process rights of folks once they're in the united states in american detention. they do have due process rights. that's decided by courts under our constitution, not by president trump. >> sarah sanders said earlier that just because you don't see a judge, that doesn't mean you are not receiving due process. do you buy that? >> i don't buy that. i frankly think this is where having an independent judiciary that defends the rule of law is an important underpinning of our constitutional order. president trump may want to spin this issue up further for his campaign purposes. he may want to describe immigrants in negative and critical terms. but he should not be allowed to undermine the rule of law and to suggest that he alone has at built to decide who does and doesn't get rights and get to appear before a judge before they are removed. many of the folks who come to this country illegally are seeking a better life for their
kids and end up not being able to stay here after a court hearing. some are presenting with legitimate claims of a fear of persecution, are fleeing violence in another country. they end up being able to stay here, because they have an asylum claim under international law. that should be decided by a judge, not at the whim of a president. >> you have heard any of your republican colleagues respond specifically to that? do republicans need to push back and say the constitution wouldn't allow what the president is proposing? >> i do think it's important for my republican colleagues to clarify, especially since there are so many senators who are lawyers and who understand the core issues. frankly, i think americans get this in their gut. this isn't the sort of thing that president trump gets to decide in a tweet. it's been decided over centuries by our independent judiciary as they interpret and apply the constitution that is the foundation of our country. a lot of what distinguishes the united states from other countries is that we have a rule of law here and it doesn't bend at the whim of any particular
president. >> do you trust the trump administration, senator, to reunite all of these children, about 2,000, maybe more, with their parents? >> well, this is a problem of president trump's tion. i intend to work with my colleagues here to hold him accountable for using the capabilities of the executive branch to reunite the children now that he signed an executive order and maybe puckly p public pronouncements. i think i will use the phrase trust but verify. we will hold them accountable for getting this job done. >> the trump administration is trying to change the court order that prevents these families have being held for more than 20 days. right now, do you know if families are still being separated as we speak, or if there's been a return to what is called the catch and release policy until the government can overturn that settlement and build enough facilities to hold families together?
>> this is a very murky situation right now. that's why i have called for hearings on the judiciary committee on which i serve so that we can have clarity about both the impact and interpretation of this executive order, which flies in the face of a long settled court agreement that says that juveniles shouldn't be held in detention more than 20 days. and so that we can explore whether there aren't more humane, cost-effective and appropriate means of ensuring families with children, if released in the united states, pending a future hear, can in fact be made to return for that hearing. there have been trial programs that have succeeded in getting more than 90%, close to 100% of those released in the united states to return for their court hearing on time. i think that's the sort of thing we should be looking at in the judiciary committee. >> the defense secretary mattis is confirming that some of the immigrants are going to be detained on military bases in texas, now being prepared for that. what message does that send?
>> the challenge here is that president trump has moved from hopefully, a cruel policy of separating children from their parents to an approach that says, let's detain indefinitely parents and children together. given how long it takes for an asylum case to be heard, it will take months, even years to get the number of immigration judges up to develop or build a appropriate facilities for this indefinite detention. many democrats, myself included, have been asking whether that is wise or humane. let me remind you, despite president trump's tweets suggesting that democrats support open borders, that legislation that i co-sponsored and fought for five years ago, legislation i co-sponsored and fought for earlier this year, would invest tens of billions of dollars in border security in responsible path to secure our borders yet treat those who come here humanely and in a way that respect ours law. democrats are committed to
solving this problem. president trump, in my view, recently, has been blowing it up for political purposes. >> after a restaurant in virginia refused to serve the white house press secretary sarah sanders, democratic congresswoman maxine waters of california said this. listen. >> if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gas station, you get out and you create a crowd. you push back on them. you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere. >> what's your response to that? >> frankly, wolf, i think our country is strongest and best when we respect each other. i understand how there are folks who have gotten very upset and very agitated and motivated in opposition to the ways in which president trump has used the bully pulpit and his twitter skills to bully people and to
marginalize the press and those who might seek rule of law or exercise free speech in this country. i frankly disagree with congresswoman waters. i don't think we're at our strongest or best whether we simply pay back hate speech with hate speech, when we further inflame disrespect for each other. i think it's important that we try to maintain civility as we also express strongly our disagreement with president trump and his administration's policies. >> senator, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. just ahead, why did federal prosecutors call off a planned interview with stormy daniels? what could it all mean for the michael cohen investigation? i will speak live with her lawyer, michael avenatti. we will discuss whether we come back. have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, or psoriatic arthritis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable
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storm yiy daniels has been stood up by prosecutors. her lawyer says the feds planned to interview the porn star today. the meeting was abruptly canceled. avenatti is standing by. i will speak with him in a moment. first, background. tell us about this interview and the cancellation. >> federal prosecutors in manhattan, the same office that is investigating michael cohen, were set to interview stormy daniels today. they were expected to talk to her about the $130,000 payment that cohen facilitated to her just before the election to
silence her story of an alleged affair with the president, a decade ago. the white house denied any affair took place. last night, after several media organizations, including cnn, had reported about the planned interview, it was abruptly canceled. michael avenatti tweeted about that last night. he had some strong words for the prosecution. let's look at that tweet. avenatti said, i was just inf m informed by the u.s. attorney's office they are canceled the meeting tomorrow because the press found out about the meeting and they can't handle a few cameras outside their offices. if they consider this a big deal, how will they ever bring any serious criminal charges against cohen? let alone handle a trial in a high profile matter. we have bent over backwards to a accommodate them. something isn't right. avenatti shared with us a private e-mail exchange that he had with the prosecutors. here is what assistant u.s.
attorney nicholas ruth said according to the documents provided by avenatti. we learned you leaked to the fact the fact and location of our meeting. such leaks are inappropriate in and of themselves and call into question your commitment to maintaining the required confidentiality of the substance of daniels will testify before a grand jury. >> strong words. federal prosecutors, they are opposing a request by the trump organization to postpone the deadline to review michael cone's acon cohen's audio files and documents. >> the trump organization has
until wednesday to review all of the documents. they asked the judge to give them two more weeks, because they say they received 22,000 new documents late last week and several audio files. they are saying they need several more weeks to complete the review. the prosecutors said that's too long. they have waited, it's been nearly three months since the raid. they are saying they oppose it. if the judge will give them any time, they are saying, one week would be appropriate. we have not heard from the judge weighing in on this yet. >> we're also learning that michael cohen's lawyers have completed their document review. is that right? >> that's right. michael cohen's lawyers notified the court they finished reviewing 4 million documents and files. what we know from that is that about -- it included 13 mobile devices, 20 external hard drives, flash drives and numerous documents. out of that 4 million, 12,000 they consider to file under attorney/client privilege. that's not that large of a
number. this review is complete and this process will begin to move forward, which has taken almost two months of a process to work through. >> thank you. joining us now, stormy daniels' attorney, michael avenatti. thanks for joining us. we got lots to go through. i will go through it first, did you leak the meeting that was supposed to take place today between your client, stormy daniels, and the prosecutors? >> no. any suggestion otherwise is absolutely absurd and, in fact, the reason that the u.s. attorney's office gave me by way of the e-mail, they only provided that e-mail after i notified the press that they had canceled the meeting. i sent out the tweet that your correspondent referenced. this is absolutely absurd for us to go through all of this effort. my client came here. i came here. i spent 35 hours preparing for this meeting. you don't just drop in to one of these meetings. to have it canceled the night
before because the u.s. attorney's office can't handle a few cameras outside the office is ridiculous. cnn nor the other press outlets were going to be allowed into the meeting. i have never seen anything like it. it doesn't bode well for the future. this is a very serious criminal investigation. if these individuals are going to ultimately indict michael cohen and there's going to be a legal proceeding, let alone a trial, what are they going to? it's going to attract worldwide media attention. everybody knows that. i don't understand what happened here. >> who do you think leaked it? >> i don't know who leaked it. there's a lot of people that have access to this information. there was a story that ran in "the wall street journal" that was false a few weeks ago relating to the level of our cooperation with that office. i certainly didn't leak that. why would we? i don't have an explanation for it. my question is, who cares? the bottom line is, they're
trying to do an investigation. we hear them repeatedly claim they want to get to the bottom of this. we come all this way. my client is ready to go. we're ready to cooperate. do whatever we can to saassist them. they pull the plug. i have never seen anything like this. >> the prosecutors clearly, they care. you heard the statement from the assistant u.s. attorney, that leaking calls into question -- i'm quoting him -- your commitment to maintaining the required confidentiality of the meeting. how do you respond specifically to that charge? he is blaming you for deviating from the norm. >> first of all, it's not a deviation from the norm. no one would be under an obligation to keep what happens in that interview confidential, even if we wanted to disclose it, there's no such requirement. that's first of all. second of all, i have asked the assistant u.s. attorney who sent that, i asked him for what evidence he has to substantiate
his claim i leaked anything. i asked him repeatedly. i heard nothing. the reason is because they have nothing. it's not true. in any event, the meeting should have gone forward. it's absurd. >> does this leak, the cancellation of the interview, hurt your client? does stormy danie support your strategy with the news media? >> well, stormy daniels has always supported our strategy with the news media because it's worked. it resulted in the disclosure, acquisition and disclosure of a significant amount of information to the american public about this case and about michael cohen. we have have done the american public a service. there's no question about that. you and many of your colleagues have reported for weeks on facts and evidence that we have disclosed by way of the media strategy. there's no question that it's working. we offered to conduct this interview to assist federal prosecutors. if they don'tidn't want to cond the interview, they're their business. we informed them, my client is prepared to testify in front of the grand jury.
we asked for advance notice of that. we're waiting to hear back from them. we're going to continue to do anything and everything we can to cooperate with the government in the course of its investigation. >> michael, let's turn to the audio files recovered in the michael cohen raid. the fbi, they went into his apartment, the hotel, his office, safe deposit box. the trump organization will succeed in getting some of the files designated as privileged or at least do you believe they will? >> i think there's some of the files that will be, in fact, designated successfully as privileged. i don't think all of the files by any stretch of the imagination. you know, now that you brought up the audio files, we're sti waiting for the return of the audio clients relating to my client and her attorney/client information. we requested those weeks ago from michael cohen and his attorney. they have an ethical obligation to return that information and provide it to us immediately. they have not done so. they have refused to respond,
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we're following breaking news on the president's call for undocumented immigrants to be deported without any judges or court hearing their case. the white house weighing in arguing that would not necessarily violate the right to due process. let's bring in our analysts. jeffrey toobin, you are our legal analyst. what do you make of this interpretation from sarah sanders today? >> remember, the president of the united states regards immigrants as vermin. he referred to them as an infestation. it's not surprising he thinks they don't have constitutional rights. the constitution speaks of the rights of persons, not of citizens. it is true that people coming across the border, even undocumented people, have rights under the constitution.
do they have the same rights as in a criminal trial where you get a jury and a lawyer and a -- no. but there are due process protections, even at the border. the prosiecise contours of thos have never been defined under all circumstances. it's clear there's a requirement immigrants be treated with due process of law. >> the 2001 decision in the supreme court said, once an alien enters the country, the legal circumstance changes for the due process clause applies to all persons within the unit, including aliens, whether their presence is lawful, unlawful, temporary or permanent. >> there are treaty obligations as well that would be violated if trump followed through on this tweet. it's not surprising that we got to this point where trump is saying they have no rights, they have no legal rights. remember, he started his campaign calling mexican immigrants racists.
as jeff pointed out, the rhetoric has gotten into dehumanizing awful rhetoric, using infest, calling -- i know he was talking about the gang members, but whether he was talking about criminals or not, calling immigrants animals, talking about in this tweet invasion. it's just continued since three years ago when he announced his campaign. we're at a place where the president of the united states is talking about violating the law. i think the truly -- that's not surprising. we know where trump came from. the surprising thing is you don't see republicans, members of his party, be outraged by this or going on tv and saying it has to end. it's like another day. that's what i think is horrible is how normal it is. >> he used the word rapists not racists. i know what you meant. the president wrote, quote, we cannot allow all of these people to invade our country. he keeps saying things like
invade, infest. those are pretty specific words. what's the message he is sending? >> i think the message is strange forward. ryan picked it up. that's the word dehumanizing. i speak english. when i use the word infest, typically -- the president used animals to refer to some people coming to this country. infest in my experience typically refers to insects and rodents in the home. for example, my home is infested by cockroaches. what the heck is the president trying to do? i think it's straightforward. on sunday whether you go to synagogue, temple, church, any place else for a religious experience, you are told to love your neighbor. what the president is trying to do between monday and saturday is tell the same people would are told sunday love your neighbor that your neighbor, if they are ga-- they are insects d rodents. it's a way to tell people it's okay to treat people inappropriately. i don't think it's complicated.
>> the rollout of this zero tolerance immigration policy clearly was ugly. didn't work. i'm sure administration officials agree. the backlash among the president's base doesn't seem to be happening. the latest poll, president support among republicans is at 87% right now. look at that. among democrats 5% approve of the job he is doing. 38% among independents. 87% of republicans approve of the job he is doing. >> this reinforces this is donald trump's republican party. you have republicans on capitol hill i have spoken to many who say they don't like the president's tone. they don't always agree with his policies. publically, they have very much acquiesced to the president's position on broader immigration policy, even when you look at the family separation issue. a lot of the republicans who called for the president to end the practice of separating children from their parents at the border, they're pureei ipus
something that would lead to funding for the border wall, ending immigration. what they are doing is enabling the president to use these immigrants and their children and bargaining chips. as others have noted, really coming out and rejecting the president's tone. thatjority of the republican base to see this as the new normal. >> good point. there's more we need to discuss. with a deadline just passed, will the head of the house intelligence committee make good on his threat to hold the deputy attorney general of the united states in contempt of congress? my car smells good.
we're back with our analysts. a new deadline in connection with the russia investigation pitting the house intelligence committee chairman against the deputy attorney general of the united states. peter king, one of nunes' allies said it was not met. it was an hour and 45 minutes ago. they haven't received the answers. nunes says he doesn't discuss committee business in public, even though he was on "fox and friends" this morning discussing business in public. >> he doesn't discuss it in every forum. this is now a party-wide position for the republicans. the republican leadership have
said that they will hold senior justice department officials in contempt of congress unless they hand over the exact documents nunes requested. some justice department official will be on the hill later this week and they will be grilled about this, including the director of the fbi. i think you have to point out how unusual it is for -- the documents related to the ongoing investigation in the russia probe, how unusual it is for the u.s. congress to get involved in an ongoing criminal investigation and poke its nose under the tent of that investigation and frankly to defend one of the people or several of the people that they're going after. >> jeffrey, the president tweeted this this morning. i want you to respond to the tweet and also what ryan said. quote, i have tried to stay uninvolved with the department of justice and fbi, although i do not legally have to, because of the now totally discredited and very expensive witch hunt currently going on. but you do have to ask why the
doj and fbi aren't giving over requested documents. he says legally he doesn't have to stay uninvolved. what's he implying? >> that he will tell the department of justice to comply with the subpoena. i think something else might be going on here. remember, the republican house of representatives found eric holder in contempt of congress for refusing to turn over documents. they don't turn over documents of pending investigations. this is a longstanding process, procedure on the part of the justice department. however, i think what may be going on here is they may be looking to find rose find rosen contempt to give the president a pretext to fire him. that's in the background. these documents, it's ridiculous the house of representatives wants this. this is part of them carrying water. these documents are not aimed at uncovering what the russians ine
investigation proceeded. they are looking to find a pretext to fire rod rosenstein. >> the president earlier today in another tweet tried to revive widely debufrpgdebunked conspir theory. former attorney general michael m mukasey said that president trump is probably connected that there was surveillance on trump tower. >> i worked for the judge. he is brilliant. take what he says seriously. he is being very precise about language. the president isn't. surprising the president missed quoting the first part of what he said, which is that the president is wrong. this is the judge speaking. the president is wrong in saying obama was wrong in authorizing a tap of trump tower. look at the language that mo
mukasey uses, surveillance of the building. that individual, someone like carter page, walks into trump tower with the cell phone that the fbi is listening to. would you say that trump tower is being surveilled? i think you could say that. but what the president is trying to suggest that mukasey said trump tower is being surveyed. that's not what the judge said. >> and we want to point out those comments from michael mukasey, former attorney general, were made a year or so ago. they weren't made in the last few days. so sabrina, where is all of this heading? >> look, i think that the president is trying to revive what was an unsubstantiated claim that president obama had somehow wiretapped trump tower, as phil alluded to. and this is part of a long list now of falsehoods that the president has perpetuated with respect to the russia investigation. because he has only one objection, and that is to discredit the work of the fbi and the special counsel. i also think it's notable that every time you return to this idea of rod rosenstein as a
target of republicans, the president has time and again refused to rule out firing rosenstein, which is also telling, because i think as jeffrey said, there could be perhaps a pretext here, where republicans trying to give him an opportunity to dismiss rosenstein. ultimately, the president is trying to persuade the court of public opinion, and that is to try to draw the battle lines before the fbi is even able to conclude its work. >> yeah, good point. there's a lot more happening, including the partisan battle over immigration and growing concerns about the lack of civility in politics. cnn's chris cuomo, he's standing by live. he'll share his thoughts. there you see him. we'll be right back.
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tonight, the white house is calling for civility in politics, even as the president hurls some new insults an his opponents. let's bring in cnn's chris cuomo, the anchor of ""cuomo prime time"." chris, you're going to be wading into this debate over civility in politics later tonight, and you've got someone who's calling for civility now, but engaged in some very uncivil attacks against president obama. what can you tell us about your guest tonight? >> you're talking about antonio sabato jr., who believe now will be making a run for congress in california and he wants to talk about what he experiences in the hollywood culture as a trump supporter and as a conservative.
and we'll get his perspective. we're going to talk to debbie wasserman schultz tonight, see what she wants to own in terms of the democratic role in this culture and what they're trying to fight for and against. and then we have draymond green on. you're a big sports fan. but he's not coming on to speak sports, captain. he's going to talk about what is motivating him outside of the court and what is generating the feelings towards the president that we saw reflected on his team, the world champions, golden state warriors. but sometimes, wolf, your old friend, my father, used to say, if you can't say something profound, say something obvious. and the obvious thing in this moment is, this is no good. this toxic dialogue is no good. i'm not saying maxine waters openly said, go hurt people. i think trump is spinning what his opponent said and exaggerating its effect. and nobody baits people and is more provocative than we've seen
in modern politics at the level that he's at than president trump. so, it's just bad. it's not getting us anywhere. it's making it very difficult to find common ground. we're not seeing action in congress, as a result. we're not seeing any bipartisanship. people are frozen in silos. it's just bad, wolf. it just is. so we're going to take it on tonight, in the hopes of making people see, there's a better way. >> yeah, let's see. if there is a better way, a lot of us are pretty worried about what's going on right now. as you know, the president, he won the white house by being a very strong counterpuncher. he often said, you hit him, he's going to hit you ten times harder. but it doesn't seem like his supporters right now admire that kind of behavior when it's being used against the trump administration. >> well, but i don't think they're going to be unusual in that way, right? that's what's good for the goose is good for the gander. that's always what someone's being told. they never say that nabout themselves when something is happening to them.
the only thing i would have a different take on, captain, is the idea of him being a counterpuncher. i don't think that's true. i think that he is a puncher. i think he suffers absolutely no slight. and we're not used to that from a president. presidents tend to act like the biggest man in the room. and the biggest man in the room doesn't look at the smaller men who are saying small things. they look down at them, because they're the big man. that's how you act like the big man. not to be gender insensitive about this, but in trump's case, that's the analogy that would apply. he never does that. you know the expression you see all the time, lions are never concerned with the opinions of sheep. he needs to act more like a lion. >> chris cuomo, thank you very much. and to our viewers, tune in later tonight, "cuomo prime tim time", 9:00 p.m. eastern, only here on cnn. finally, tonight, excellent, excellent news. we want to congratulate cnn's senior white house correspondent, pamela brown, and her husband, adam. they're now the proud new parents of their first child, a beautiful baby boy. he was born friday morning, weighing in at a healthy 6
pounds, 8 ounces. pamela says they're still getting to know their son before they announce his name. we can't wait to meet him. we will always welcome him into "the situation room" family. and by the way, we also want to wish his new grandmother, phyllis, a very happy birthday. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, congressman maxine waters doubling down tonight, calling president trump a liar. trump slamming her for her low iq, he says, and threatening her. a new low. and anthony scaramucci is outfront to talk about it. and rod rosenstein missing a deadline set by devin nunes. is he about to be held in contempt? and roseanne barr, you've never heard her like this before. tears and remorse, on tape. the man who spoke with her is my guest.