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this is cnn tonight. it is 11:00 p.m. on the east coast will all the new developments for you right now. president trump defending the executive order that created chaos at the border and around the country leaving more than 2,000 children separated from their parents. >> no, no. the executive order was great. it was something that we felt we had to do. >> but homeland security is only paying that 538 children have been reunited with their parents. what about the rest of them?
plus the latest exam will of how low we're sinking when it comes to civility in this country. i'm going to talk on this man, an american citizen, berated by a woman who even mentions president trump. >> why you hate us? >> because you're mexicans. >> we're honest people here. how many people have i raped? how many drugs have i dealt? oh, yeah? do you believe everything you see on the news? you see us working hard for you. i'm going to turn now to the immigration crisis at the southern border. joining me now, walter schaub
joining me. and scott jennings. good evening, one and all. you just returned from visiting the children at a tent camp in texas and you say it is clear america has crossed the line. >> to be fair, i didn't see the children. they kept us very far away. in fact, the whole place was kind of spooky. even though terrain was very flat out there in the hot desert, they configured it in a way where you can't even see the tents. in the distance i made out the corner of one of them. i was down there with hundreds of other people, objecting to this absolutely cruel and inhumane process of taking little children and keeping them separate from their parents. it is just absolutely horrific. i never thought i would be living in america and see this kind of thing happening. >> i want to play the for you. this is what the president said about the migrant crisis at his
rally. this was tonight. >> i have my own feeling. when i heard them talking about the children, first, they were using pictures taken in 2014 when barack obama was president. i was not president. and what i learned is one thing. our facilities are cleaner, better kept, and better run. that's the thing i learned. i saw that. but what we have is two extremes. i liked it. i said this is fine for us. >> so the details. the facts are the pictures of kids that trump referred to from the obama administration are unaccompanied minors, not children separated from their parents. they were in facilities but the circumstances were different. but the fact that the president says that it would be good to see the photos of kids, that we would know what's going on, what
the conditions are like. what does that tell that you we can't see the kids? >> it is really terrifying. the lag of transparency. if you have nothing to hide, why won't you let cameras in there? instead they're sending out carefully cultivated photos and telling to us trust them. a number of people have visited down there including members of congress is that they said they walk in there. the conditions themselves are not horrific. what is horrific is taking these children from their parents. these are not people who crossed the border as unaccompanied minors. we created them by taking their parents. that's the trauma. and medical health professionals have been on the news and elsewhere talking about the permanent effects this will have on these kids. and you hear horrific stories of children sitting alone crying, with no one to comfort them. imagine that happening to any of your children watching this right now. and not knowing for sure if they'll ever get them back. the government has made it clear that they don't have a plan for
returning them. what they are doing is deporting these children's parents, while the children are still here. so it is not clear to me how they can ever reunite a number of them. >> it is true there's no reunification process for the divided immigrant families. i think we have to understand this as well when you're dealing with children. especially minors. there are privacy issues. but there could be some pictures of the children somehow. they can let more journalists in. not letting them in with cameras but some transparency. so let me bring you in here. still over 2,000 separated children who have yet to be reunited. and we don't know how or when that will happen. that's a big problem. >> yeah. the government does need a plan to reunify these families. i think the american people prefer the families be not separated in the first place. be reunited now and sent back to their country of origin. i saw some news and that was the
clear preference of the american people of 48% in that particular battleground tracker said they want the families to stay together and to be immediately sent back to their country of origin. the democratic position now which is to keep the families together and release them inside the united states was by far a minority position. so i think right now the most important thing the trump administration can do is get together a plan to get all these families back together and get moving on the process to send them where they came from. i think that's what frankly the american people expect them to do. >> let me talk about something i mentioned in the show. the top of the hour. 538 kids have been reunited with their families so far. when you take into account all the lives, all the changing stories, coming from this administration about this particular policy, those are the facts. how can we verify any of those numbers? >> you can't. and dhs was careful to say those 538 were actually children
within customs and border patrol sort of ownership, i guess i would say at this stage. p is an entity of dhs. here's the deal. we are now almost six days since that executive order, that complicated executive order was passed. there's a commitment to reunify these kids. there is no execution. i have dwelt family reunification issues operationally. thing sounds not nice but these are ideal conditions. you have a limited pool. the children and the parents are both being detained. you have a limited number of places they're being detained. this is the united states of america. we have pictures. our telephones are working. this is not like thailand after the tsunami. we have some information about everyone. this is not a, this is not complicated. this is not a failure of an ability to do it. this could have been done within two to three days after the
executive orders. if there had been a plan and if there had been a commitment. so there's no plan and no commitment. and the proof of no commitment is that we are sending parents away without their children. i don't get that. i do not get that. that makes no sense to me. we're going to hold these kids as wards of america indefinitely? that's like, it boggles the mind. so while there is the moral issue and the immigration issue, just operationally, their failure to get this done is proof again that they create crises, rather than solve them. we are now in another crisis that they have created. >> so he thiethics is your thin. the president called for immediate deportation of undocument immigrants with no judges or court cases. and then he added this at his rally. >> we have thousands of judges already. if a person comes into our
country, steps one foot, they take their name, they bring them to court, they release them, they go into the country. you never see them again. it's the craziest thing i've ever seen. so i said today, i don't want judges. i want i.c.e. and border patrol agents. and we want to tell people, i'm sorry. you're coming into the country illegally. we don't want you in the country. >> so walter, no judges? is that constitutional? >> well, first of all, people who set foot into this country have some rights. there's some complicated process and case law that allows for expedited removal that gives them the absolute bare minimum, unfortunately. let's step back and remember what makes this country great is due process. is free speech. is all the constitutional guarantees. and dehumanizing people who come here by calling them name like
invader or illegals or infestation is what leads to the kind of atrocities we read about in authoritarian regimes around the world. it begins with the dehumanization and then catastrophe ensues. let's not forget the president has proven to us that he's incapable of logistics or realizing that logistics exist. it is not such a clear situation that they can return these kids. they've offered us no proof that they took the time to record these children's names in their parentage. what we do know is they didn't give the parents any kind of tracking number. it might sound unhuman but you could attach a bracelet around the wrist with a bar code. they snatch them from the arms of their parents. put them into a vast bureaucracy and lose them, possibly forever. if they -- without violating privacy they could prove to us that they have a mechanism of
tracking them. >> just because you don't see judge doesn't mean you are not receiving due process. that's a quote. that's what sarah sanders said. do you agree with that? >> no. it's a ridiculous statement and everything about this due process argument that the president said is aer way for him to create a complication, a reason for people to debate something that's not debatable. i want to make it clear to the viewers. president trump lost this one big time. not only did he have to change, remember, they wanted to separate children from parents. that was their deterrent philosophy. that they would do 100%. and then today and over the last couple days, today customs and bored procedure text, said they're not even doing 100% prosecutions. it is not sustainable. they cannot go after the drug
abuser and the child abusers and the people bringing illegal stuff into this country. they lost big time. so they're throwing out these silly arguments about the courts and whatever else. because they lost. no one should be defending this. not even his supporters. he knows he lost so he moves on to some talk show host. i don't know what he's doing now. >> so i have to ask you. sarah sanders blamed the obama administration. the fact of the matter is it was this administration's zero tolerance policy that led to this. this law was signed under president bush. and as i said, the circumstances of children being separated from their families, rather than children who came over unaccompanied. there is a huge tremendous difference here. they bear responsibility for what's happening now. >> yeah. they made this decision. although i would say that the obama homeland security director
jay johnson was on fox news sunday and he admitted, they did have families separated. i think he said it was controversial at the time. so administrations have struggled with this. the trump administration did make this decision. they should not have made this decision. have surely regretted it. it was and that the president moved. i'm not sure the executive order will stand up stoffel congress will have to step in and that's the most likely outcome the pass the law, a narrow law to fix family separation issue. one thing we have to keep in mind about the politics is that for whatever the reason the republicans lost because of the debacle that has been this family separation, i'm sorry, the democrats lost, we saw what maxine waters has done. the harassment out in public places. i think the democrats are playing with fire by simultaneously going back to a pofgs catch and release and
creating this hostile environment for trump's people and his supporters. i think they may have been on some political offense when trump made the decision. they are squandering that with their political actions and policy views they put on display since. >> thank you. i have to run. thank you. i'll see you next time. when we come back, american politics getting more and more coarse, or coarser. whatever happened to when they go low, we go high. i remember that line from first lady michelle obama. we're not hearing an awful lot these days from president barack obama. should he speak out? what's going on? oh, you brought butch. yeah! (butch growls at man) he's looking at me right now, isn't he? yup. (butch barks at man) butch is like an old soul that just hates my guts. (laughs) (vo) you can never have too many faithful companions.
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up to it. what explains his near absence from a political stage where he might argue publicly against the reversals of his policies and for american life more broadly? what is keeping him from speaking more frequentbly the need to protect democratic zmorms the rule of law to be decent people? >> it's not a simple answer. this is a strategy that he's been planning a long time. he was planning this more or less even if donald trump had not won. he would sink into the background. when he talks to beam his goals, even when people ask him to speak up about what trump is doing, he says his first goal is to respect the transfer of power, a peaceful one, and do more or less what george w. bush did for him. step back and not criticize him. the other part is what he wants to do is make sure there's room for other leaders of the democratic party to step up and for them to be the voices against trump. he thinks it is healthy for that
progress. and he is working on his own things. he realizes if he does get throughout and speaks against trump, it will turn into partisan argument100% of the time and he realizes, his presence in the fray does nothing more than consolidate the base and makes trump's life easier. >> i think he does not want to be associated with any of it at all. he treats with it a long handled spoon. i don't want to touch that. you lie down with dogs, you get fleas. so you wrote about how trump and obama were both divisive in their own ways on race. are you surprised that for the most part, that the past president stays silent? >> i'm not very surprised. i can't speak to obama personally but i can speak to what we've seen from him over the years in terms of the way he calculates. i've covered him with how he
addresses issues of race. i think it is very similar to what gabriel wrote. when it dime race, towed make calculation. what he symbolized being the first black president and what that symbolized to some people. people of color, people who want to see a person of color and what does this represent that wave black person in office. and i think it is a similar thing that dpab dreamgabriel ca. i'm sure there are lots of democrats who would love nothing more than barack obama stepping up, giving a grand speech and shoot down a lot of things trump is saying. the reality is there is a segment of america, no matter how big, but a very ferry convenient segment, for them, barack obama symbolizes something bad. it seems like political consideration. if i step in to the fray, what does this mean? how does it rally republicans and make me a symbol of something a lot of folks was
going in the wrong direction. >> i think it is interesting that you write in this piece i'm looking at, that you talk about when president obama is made aware of something that this president, the current president tweeted. he rarely speaks about trump at all. >> his refrain when talking on friends and people talking with politics, to look at the long term, the long arc of history. he says it is but a blip. he doesn't want to get weighed down in the obama versus trump narrative. his folks are frustrated. obama has not said the trump name in public. that is something that reporters often point out and it is frustrating to him. what he says is, i'm focused on the long term. when president trump does specifically tweet about obama,
accused him of wiretapping or other things that are basically without evidence, obama says don't me with that. >> right. or if there's something that he wants to respond to, he'll have someone do it. it is a policy issue rather than a direct criticism of president trump. i think you talk about harry truman's hand over to dwight eisenhower. there's been no direct contact between two since inauguration day. >> that's right. >> that's odd. >> it is. it is not very frequent but sometimes presidents rely on predecessors. remember after donald trump won the election, he went to the white house, talked on president obama and there was a very brief moment when a lot of folks thought they might have some sort of sxrip very quickly it switched. it is not surprising given that donald trump's rise to politics game the birther conspiracy. very quickly it turned into a
trump administration. the main goal was to undo everything obama did. >> do you think that is a very good lead into your question? it seems like he wants to undo everything. do you think it is that president obama is upset? that his supporters did not show up and now a number of his policies are being rolled back? >> well, it is hard to say whether or not he's upset about it. whether he is upset. i'm sure that's his personal feelings. i think obama spees, the long automatic of history. and he says, me getting involved, in the fray, what does that do to stop it? working with people. working with people doing things on the ground. certain policy things that could in fact influence the american people. influence certain folks.
we'll have to see what happens with the mid terms. it seems like obama will want to get out there eventually and that may be a case when he gets to implement it. maybe you can better frequent policies. >> do you think we'll see him out there? he's already started to raise money with some democrats. he'll be hitting the stump. as far as 2020, he's made very clear that he does not intend to endorse early. he's been meeting with potential candidates behind the scenes in washington. he's been involved. paying close attention. it is not as if he's totally detached from all this. he set himself up to be a consultant. he's not saying here's where you need to go. he's willing to talk with the modern left and he's willing to
say, this is what it is like. this is a conversation with someone that, there are very few people in the party that they can have this conversation with. he is offering himself up. >> it is cal the high road. we haven't seen it in a long time. thank you both. i appreciate it. when we come back, harley-davidson announced they will build some of their bikes overseas. the president's trade war hurting the very workers he promised to protect? plus, i'll talk on an american citizen -- when we were dating, we used to get excited about things
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thank you for coming. on i appreciate it. are you doing okay? >> thank you, don. i appreciate it. >> so harley-davidson is shifting some production of motorcycles from european customers out of the u.s. to avoid eu tariffs. what does this mean for u.s. jobs at harley-davidson? >> this means there will be cuts. it just, in a matter of days here, on friday, when the announcement was made, and now today, they've already made the announcement that they'll move jobs overseas. this, we don't know the devastation. it could be more american jobs. from the american icon, the people see the harley-davidson out there, that this is an american-made bike. we're seeing it go overseas more. >> how do you and the rest of the european union members feel about the terrorist that's apparently the trump administration led to the higher tariffs? who do they hold responsible?
>> well, when we look tariffs that we're having, i don't want people to think we're anti-tariff against them. what we are is i think it needs to be fair. fair on both sides. that's what we need. we need jobs in america. when we see harley davidson has put out, it will cost $2,200 per bike more to do these, it is just, it is an excuse to take the jobs away. >> so to be fair, you're not against the tariffs. you think they should be fair. the reason i ask is the retaliatory ones. is it the responsibility of this administration? do you hold both europe and this administration equally as responsible? >> i look at this. i think we need to get our
leadership here together and be able to sit down in fair dealings with the european union and sit down and have fair talks over this. >> so this is what the president, how he used to talk about harley-davidson. watch this. >> scott walker has a wonderful company called harley-davidson in wisconsin, right? great. i was with harley-davidson, a great company from wisconsin. who has a harley-davidson? a lot of you. you know, harley-davidson makes great motorcycles. they were in my office. >> our allegiance will be to the american workers. >> so here's what he tweeted today. surprised that harley-davidson of all company would be the first to wave the right flag. i fought hard for them and ultimately they will not pay tariffs selling to the eu which has hurt us badly in trait, down
$151 billion. taxes just a harley excuse. be patient. what is your reaction to that? >> do i believe that hardly doing this. it was one thing i will agree with. that they are using this as an excuse to take the jobs overseas. they've shown that they've taken jobs overseas and will continue. >> i appreciate your time. the author of makers and takers, a rise of finance in the fall. harley-davidson stands to lose $100 million a year. explain to us how tariffs work. >> they're basically a tax on doing business. countries impose tariffs on other countries and it makes products imported to the u.s. from europe or vice versa, from the u.s. to europe.
more expensive. that's what happens. a fax consumers end up paying. and we are in for a lot more of this. i think these tariff that's we're seeing a iconic companies are not just a negotiating posture on the part of donald trump. something that has been talked about a lot. i think it is normal for global trade. this president has said exactly what he said he would do. put tariffs on countries he feels is not playing fair. i think it is terrible strategy that we've ended up in a trade war with allies like the u.s., canada, mexico, at the same time we're fighting china, which is really the real issue here. china and the u.s. have real trade beefs. the rest of it is a little more of a side line to the real core issues.
>> and do you think we'll see other u.s. companies follow suit and do something similar? >> you know, if companies will play by the rules of globalization of the last 40 years, then yeah. they are going to shift jobs abroad. they'll go from wherever they think they can get the cost benefit analysis down, make products cheaper. that's the way business has been run. i think they're going to face some real difficult decisions as potentially these trade wars heat up. they'll be complicated. it will be difficult to know where you can and can't go and who will get hit with what tariff. i think companies will face a lot of domestic pressure from the administration to stay here. i think we'll see regionalization of supply chains. i think it has become very complicated. it didn't start with this president. >> is joe still there listening?
i want to bring you back. president trump said his corporate tax cuts, they were going to help employees. you say that's not the case so what happened? >> when the tax cuts came in, what happened here is that the employees didn't see any of that. they didn't see the actual money that other companies have seen. that they passed on to their employees. what we've seen is they buy back their stock. and to make, to try to buy back their own stock and make millions off that. >> joe, ron, thank you so much. i appreciate your time. when we come back, imagine you're at work when this happens. >> why do you hate us? because we're mexicans? we're honest people right here. >> we're going to talk to the man in that video after this.
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you. >> i hope you're okay. so let's talk about this. that was you in the video. your mom was shooting the video. how did this all start? >> well, let me clarify something. i work as an assistance administrator in culver city, saturday and sunday. >> you were cleaning up the property. >> and i work construction/landscaping. anything i can get my hands on. i don't take any days off. we're hard working people. so we had a new client. they said, hey, we need some landscaping, some yard clean-up. can you do it? i said yes. i'll be there saturday. saturday at 10:00 a.m. i was there with my mom because she actually cleans the home. do i the yardwork and she cleans the house. she was done with the cleaning. she comes out and says do you need help? i said yeah. do you want to us get blower and start from the front of the property? and next thing i know, i hear this lady yelling at my mom.
go back to mexico. it's loud. you can hear in the video, my mom has the blower on and i can hear her from the other side of the property yelling at my mom. i rush over and i say, hey, what's your problem? and she said you're all illegal. go back to mexico. and i say, i'm a united states citizen. what are you talking about? and shesaid, ye a rapist. you're an animal. and you can see from the video how i reacted. hey, how many people have i raped? how many drugs have i dealt? i'm not that person that the president of the united states says i am. people look at me and they see what he said on tv and that's not true. that's not true for any of us. >> you asked her that, you said do you believe everything you see on television? were you referring to the president? >> i was referring to exactly what she saw on the media, in the news. and that's not okay. >> so let's be clear about this. >> sure.
you are a u.s. citizen. >> yes. >> born in california. >> born and raise in the lake arrowhead, california. so this is your own home. this is your home. do you feel fearful, comfortable in your own home now in your community? did you know people were harboring these -- i'm sure you've dwelt similar things. >> who hasn't? go ask anybody and they'll tell you, yeah, i had my fair share of racism. it is alive and well today and that's not okay. >> is it worse now? >> it's sparked back up, i guess you can say. you see it a lot more. i feel like people are a little more entitled to say, hey, go back to mexico. and i'm like, why? i live here. i have a mortgage here. >> we didn't show it in the video but this lady gave you the middle finger right in your face. >> yeah. she was flipping me off.
and i'm like, that doesn't do anything. that looks bad on you. >> what do you say to the people watching this? it's a very simple and, people ask that question a lot. i think it applies here. what do you say to people are watching? >> if you're watching, and you say, hey, this country has laws and you're here illegally, i think that's very wrong. people who come here illegally are dying in other countries. they don't have time, they don't have days or weeks. human beings need to eat and drink water every single day to survive. they come to this country looking for an opportunity to survive. to live. to give the people, you know, like their family, a chance, a hope to live and survive. that's why we're here. i'm living proof that my mother came here legally. she came here with two boys in
her hand. my brother is a year older than me. and we were very young when we got here. we were born here. unfortunately, through some circumstances, we had to cross illegally. but we're legal u.s. citizens, my brother and i. if you're watching and you say, hey, i stand with you. i'm proud to call my friend. i'm proud that you joined the movement. thank you for listening to what i had to say when i stood up for my mother, i stood up for everybody that is scared to speak up. i stood up for the little people. for the people that don't have a voice. >> we are happy that you came on. and we want you to keep us informed as to what happened and good luck to you and your family and i'm glad your mom is doing well. >> thank you very much. i appreciate the time. let your inner light loose with one a day women's. a complete multivitamin specially formulated with key nutrients
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on you. like the little girl and her mom pretending to call the cops. that doesn't help the situation. >> allies, equal footing. she by herself is an extension of the law which is the police. >> if the cops show up, she has no worry it is going to go poorly for her. many situations in the country where black people calling the police for help and ending up in the wrong set. >> i want to talk about your special. i got to play a clip. >> jeff sessions was once found to be too racist to be a judge in alabama. look, i'm not even trying to make fun of alabama when i say that, but alabama is still in large part, alabama. there are people walking around going, are we free?
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