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extraordinarily low iq person. maxine waters is cleaning up after calling up people to confront him. the president offered this not so civil message in response. he says, be careful what you wish for, max. as all of that is unfolding, there's still a number of questions about the thousands of children that remain separated from their parents. there are reports that agents will stop referring migrant families for prosecution until there's a policy in place to keep parents and children together. we begin with abby phillips who is live at the white house for us. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. president trump is trying to take advantage of some of the hostility directed toward his own administration officials, but that hasn't stopped the self-described counter puncher from lodging his own insults at various people. democrats are still trying to figure out how exactly to
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counter president trump ahead of the midterm election there's year. >> it's the party of max inwaters -- do you believe her. >> reporter: president trump ramping up his feud with democratic congresswoman maxin waters just hours after sarah huckabee sanders called for political civility after being ousted out of a restaurant. >> i was asked to leave because i work for president trump. healthy debates is important. but the calls for harassment and push for any trump supporter to avoid the public is unacceptable. >> reporter: sanders is a latest in a string of trump backers who have been rebuked for their support of the administration. >> shame on you! >> shame! shame! >> reporter: the confrontations dividing democrats who have struggled how aggressively to challenge the administration, particularly in light of the president's own history of inflammatory remarks. >> sleepy eyes chuck todd, he's
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a sleeping son of a bitch. >> they call her pocahontaspoca >> reporter: congresswoman waters encouraging her protesters over the weekends. >> if you see anybody from that cabinet, you get out and you push back on them. >> reporter: president trump responding by insulting her iq and falsely accusing her of calling harm to his supporters for issuing a threat of his own. be careful what you wish for, max. waters denying she encouraged violence. >> i believe in peaceful, very peaceful protests. i have not called for the harm of anybody. this president has lied again. >> reporter: democratic party leadership also denouncing her behavior. >> no one should call for the
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harassment of political opponents. that's not right. that's not american. >> reporter: democratic leader nancy pelosi tweeting a rare rebuke, trump's daily lack of civility has provoked responses that are predictable but unacceptable as we go forward, we must conduct elections in a way that achieve unity. the firestorm coming as president trump continues to downplay the outrage over thousands of children who have been separated from their families by his administration. >> our facilities are cleaner, better kept and better run. that's the one thing i learned, okay. but what we have is two extremes. >> reporter: president trump abruptly halted that practice last week and on monday, another key element of the president's zero-tolerance policy was scaled back. the head of customs and border protection telling reporters that agents have stopped turning over adults with children for prosecution, a decision that will at least temporarily revive
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the catch and release approach used during the obama administration that president trump has repeatedly criticized. >> this will only last a short amount of time because we're going to run out of space. we're going to run out of resources. >> reporter: and today at the white house president trump is meeting with congressional republicans about the budget and also immigration, but he's also spending some time this morning dealing with another issue. the repercussions of his tariffs and his trade war with european countries and others. he responded to harley-davidson which said this week that they would be moving some of their production over to europe in response to the president's tariffs on steel and aluminum products. john and erica? >> abby, thanks so much. joining us now david chalian and chris eliza. david, am i being too cynical here? >> yes. no. >> thank you. good night. is it too cynical to see the
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white house see the outrage over their policy to separate children, the outcome of that, they see all that, and then they seize on this new cultural war about civility suggesting that democrats are pushing too far here, they see this as an opportunity to diversity attention from what's going on? >> certainly, john, i've never seen this white house see a culture war and not seize on it. that has been part of the overall strategy -- communication strategy throughout the entire presidency, throughout the trump campaign as well. the fact that there were some of these culture war opportunities at the time that they were sort of taking a beating and reversing course on policy, no doubt, i would imagine playing up one over the other is clearly a strategic decision, but what i also think we have seen time and again from this administration is that they don't always come up on the losing end of the
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culture wars. the battles that they pick sometimes work to the president's advantage because as we've discussed, for the way this president gets political advantage is to enliven his base that that is the fuel of his fire and the culture wars tend to do that. >> the one caveat i would eigads it's the white house strategy. if you look at where trump's numbers have hit that bottom of 35 as he ping pongz, its during charlotte, it's when he embraces roy moore. so there is a sense that he can go too far on these culture war issues and sink in the polls. it's not going to happen every time. there's evidence that it can hurt him as well. >> i wonder if this one falls in that category. as we look at this we know so well you cannot and you may have actually written these words, my
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friend, you cannot out-trump trump especially when it goes to coming low and when it comes to the insult and this playground bully rhetoric. >> to john's point, he's broadly right in talking about polls which i think is important to keep an eye on. the long-term trending gap. donald trump around 41, 42, average so far is 39% for his presidency. this result this week he's at 41 feels more like where we've been than the 45 he was at briefly during the north korea summit. just broad context there. on your other point, erica, i just don't see how you go lower than trump. he is willing to go places that no other politician will go. he showed that repeatedly during the presidential primary. he showed it during the general election. he's shown it over and over again. we get numb to it just because it's every day. he's shown it over and over again as president of the united states and i just don't think
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saying he's this guy, we're gonna match his anger, his willingness to go over lines -- i don't know that that is a winning stretch for a presidential race. it may well be enough in a midterm election. you just don't know if that's enough of an alternative when you're offered a one versus one choice. >> is it disarming, though, david chalian? is it unilateral disarmament for the democrats to take we'll talk about health care instead here? we all went to school. what are you supposed to do with a bully in the school yard? >> punch back, right? democrats are still searching for how to take on trump in the trump eras as chris is pointing out, trump -- the president's a pretty unique figure in american politics. i don't think just following his playbook for anybody else is going to work the same way, and yet there are demands in the democratic base to not as you're saying just talk about priptive
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message on health care. there are demands inside the democratic base to stand up to the president and take him on more aggressively, but you see a party searching for how to hit the right notes on that, not a party that has settled on a communication strategy. >> but there will be a sort of what i would term as an anger candidate in the 2020 democratic primary that -- there will likely be that candidate versus someone who emerges as the sort of we need to be the party of ideas but that -- do not underestimate the chances of an anger candidate who says this guy, we should impeach -- don't understand that candidate's chances. >> isn't 2,000 kids separated by their parents something to get angry about? if you're going to get angry about something, wouldn't that be something to get angry about? >> that's a good example of what doug jones was saying of get angry on the substance.
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do you need to stand up to donald trump if you're a democrat, sure. if you try to out demagog donald trump you're going to lose and that's a negative implication. how can you stand up on policy and fight back on that ground and try to elevate the debate a little bit? >> how many democrats will follow suit? we know it worked for him but it worked for him in alabama. >> don't forget, though, the most popular governors in america are charlie baker republican of massachusetts and larry hogan in maryland. those people are mia in the national debate. >> they are both -- i've tried -- they are unwilling to come on national television and talk about the president even though they disagree with him on many, many different issues. david chalian, republicans promised they would talk about immigration and get legislation through the house of representatives or try to get it
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on the floor. i don't believe it's going forward and i don't believe we've seen any progress from the administration in reuniting these 2,000 children with their parents. where will we be on friday here? >> john, we got to decouple these issues sometimes. the overall effort to try and reform immigration is different than trying to solve this immediate problem about reuniting children. the latter is a government competency issue. it was a policy put in place by the administration that had this effect that clearly was a negative impact and it needs to be fixed and to me that is a test in voter's minds about whether the government is competent to fix a problem. that is different than what appears to be a decade long intractable issue of solving immigration reform which is why i think when we get to friday, certainly, the solving of immigration reform is not done by the house of representatives and i don't have much confidence that solving this immediate problem is really happening either. >> by the way, the white
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house -- what's difficult that sarah huckabee sanders yesterday says, congress needs to fix this. go back to donald trump's twitter feed on thursday and friday in which he says, congress, there's no point in trying to fix this. it won't work. >> congress -- conservatives in congress are crying out for some presidential leadership on this but he doesn't want to lead. this is a political win for him even though it's deeply deconstructive to the country. >> i'm not sure it's the conservatives in congress who want the president so say this is not amnesty and he won't say that. >> which would create cover. >> i am curious though as to what the administration and republicans will do about this issue that david was talking about, about the reunification, there are measures to add judges and get behind the floor. it does not seem as if democrats -- i push doug jones on it, it doesn't seem like democrats want to get involved in this? >> they need to be held accountable for this too, to just throw up your hands and
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step back and say it's other peoples' problems to solve, i don't think that reflects all that way in voters' minds either. when you're talking about a clear problem being presented and nobody sort of coming together to actually complete the solution. >> all right. david chalian, chris eliza, great to have you here. appreciate it. we are following breaking news out of pennsylvania. you're looking at live pictures. these are protests in east pittsburgh. why are they there? last week a police officer gunned down 17-year-old antoine rose who was unarmed. he was in a car which was suspected to be involved in a shooting when police say they ordered the driver out of the car. antoine and another passenger ran off. he was shot. antoine was laid to rest yesterday. republican congressman adam
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days after voting down a conservative immigration reform bill, house republicans may try again this week to pass a more moderate immigration bill that addresses family separation. so far the bill has not attracted enough support to pass. joining us now, illinois republican adam kissinger. this bill have any chance of passing, seriously? >> i think so.
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it's going to be tough. if you look at it this way, we've got about probably 20 more, 25 more we need to get than we got from the bill last week. i think we can get it done, but the president needs to lean into this, i think, so from a lot of members from my party they want to hear from the president. they want to hear this is something he supports. he was in front of our conference last week and said i support you guys 1,000%. the bill's good. we're going to go ahead. it's got verifiable border security. it also takes care of the 1.8 million in the daca population and gives them a path to citizenship pretty far down the road and a few other things. i'm actually confused why there's no democrats on board. there won't be. i think we can get it done as republicans. >> you just gave the most optimistic assessment of the chances for this bill. >> i'm an optimist. >> the question is, are you a hopeful optimist or just an optimist there? who knows? i do not believe the votes there
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are. you still seem optimistic and you're on the inside. i guess we'll wait and see on that. >> i think it's possible. it's possible. if i had to guess today it would fail. we still have another day left. they're working on a couple of issues. it just depends if my size wants to fix this. most of us do. there are some friends in the freedom club. >> you don't think they want to fix this? >> i think a lot of the times use perfect as the enemy of good. there's always something in every bill, everywhere at all times they're you're not going to like. sometimes you have to say this is good but you're never going to get perfect. so i don't know. >> what do you think the president says you do not need more judges at the border. do you agree with that? >> part of the whole issue we're in is a bag log in terms of getting people through the system. i'd like to see more judges and more capacity there. people that come and declare asylum they'll have oto have a hearing and we'll have to figure out if there's a legitimate threat to them. to any extent we can have more
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judges -- >> do you think he's wrong? >> i don't agree with him. >> what about the suspension of due process? the white house says -- what about the president's plan to deport people without going through a legal proceeding? >> is there something in place where you can already do that without having to put them through, then if there is then utilize that. if there isn't, we have to do whatever by law for anybody that crosses the border. i want people to be treated humanly all around the world including people that come to our border. if you come illegally to the border of the united states of america, it's not a fairy tale. you will be detained. you will not get into the united states of america and, frankly, if you send your children on a train unaccompanied or you come with your children, it's also not going to be a fairy tale. that's a very dangerous journey. >> is the administration doing enough? >> don't do it. >> is the administration doing enough at this moment to reunite the 2,000 children it chose to
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separate from their parents? >> well, i'm getting a briefing today on what hhs is doing on that so i'll know a lot more. >> let us know. >> i will. look, it's a big bureaucratic issue once people are separated and now to track them down. >> they created it. >> to an extent they agree -- the whole flores decision came under bill clinton, the idea they had them separated and it was at that time under janet reno that they made the decision that after 20 days kids had to either be reunited with their parents. this isn't anything that's brand-new. >> given that it happened during the clinton administration they had more than a decade to prepare for the consequences of there action. >> it's happened everywhere. >> i do want to ask you about a different subject and i know this is something you were deeply concerned about which is what's going on in syria. i should say still going on in syria. every day and the whole world is watching. the russians have now conducted air strikes in southwestern syria, forces loyal to assad are making an advance there. how do you see things on the
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ground there and what is this administration doing about it? >> not enough. if you look back at what this administration has done, we have struck regime assets in deescalation zones. we had an air to air shoot down against syrian jet. we bombed the red line situation twice. we killed over 100 russian mercenaries. there has been a lot of action but not enough. bill clinton says his biggest regret of his presidency was inaction in rwanda. i think president obama and at this point on track, president trump, are going to say that some of their biggest regrets is inaction in syria. half a million dead syrians. this has generated isis. this will generate isis too and i'm not saying a full intervention by u.s. forces but i think we have to hold strong in that area and unfortunately i don't think we're doing enough. >> the president wants to sit down with vladimir putin later this summer, is this something he should address and demand action from? >> yeah, yeah. i have no problem with the
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president sitting down with vladimir putin. you go in from a position of strength. the russians said if you bomb assad this is the beginning of world war iii. we bombed assad we did nothing because the russians don't have the capability. this is not the old soviet union. the president can go in from a strong position and say, here's what i want from you guys. you extract yourself from syria. here's some deals we can work but this is a no-go any more. >> you have to have a will to do that. i want to do a dramatic reading from a statement put out by the president since you and i had been talking right now and it gets to the issue. >> oh, great. >> i love that smile. you know what's coming. this gets to the issue of harley-davidson and trade. harley-davidson has announced as you know they'll move production of some motorcycles overseas. the president just wrote, a harley-davidson should never be built in another country, never. their employees and customers are already very angry at them, if they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the ends.
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the aura will be gone and they'll be taxed like never before. the president trump threatening not just an american company but harley-davidson. >> i've gotten to know president trump over the last couple years. i like him. one of my biggest problems is punching down, pointing out harley-davidson or people by name. harley-davidson -- from what i saw it's a $200 increase on the final process of $2,200 increase per bike and that's a significant -- that's going to impact sales. i don't have a problem with the president taking on china. there's so many unfair practices that we could do a whole hour on it but when you also take on canada and mexico and europe at the same time, i feel like it's just trying to toss grenades everywhere instead of being focused on bringing our allies together to get more fair trade practices in china. i don't like tariffs or trade wars. i have a lot of farmers in my district. they don't like it either. >> not just taking on canada and china, taking on harley.
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>> don't take them on. it's a great company. >> you did say more than a year ago, mr. president, it is incumbent upon all of us to tone down the divisive political rhetoric, #restorecivility. has he done enough? >> i think everybody needs to do it. as i mentioned, when the president puts out a tweet i don't like, i'll say it. i think he's a really funny guy and smarter than most people give him credit for. when you're president, it's one thing to fight, it's another thing to punch down. but that is on all sides now. when you have people confronting people in public for eating dinner. we have a right to a political opinion in this country. we have a right to work for the government. >> is the tone coming from the top? >> i think -- no. there's so many bad tones everywhere right now, but that's very different what the president's saying than when maxine waters says confronts everybody in public at a gas
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station or restaurant or whatever. all this stuff has to end. you can have political debate all you want but allow somebody to go out to eat with their families for god sake. if restaurants become political there is nothing sacred and that needs to stop. >> as far as tones go, we appreciate your tones, congressman. >> thank you. take care. dana bash the question for mitt romney on primary day. >> when you go to the senate, which mitt romney is going to go, the one that called donald trump a fake and a phony or the one who talked to him about being secretary of state? >> that's a good question. >> it's a great question. you can't get the answer, though, until after this.
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voters heading to the polls today in seven states including utah where mitt romney is trying to reboot his political career. if he's elected to the senate he won't walk in lock step with the president. dana bash spoke with romney and she joins us now live from utah.
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good to see you this morning. >> reporter: good to see you too. mitt romney, if he wins today's primary is almost surely going to be the next u.s. senator from utah, because this is such a republican state. the question, though, is whether or not he's prepared to get to washington in what he admits is donald trump's republican party. watch what happens when a utah voter hands senate candidate mitt romney re-elect trump buttons. >> can i give you some of these? >> you can give them to me but i don't know if i'll put it on because i haven't decided who i'll support yet. >> reporter: embrace trump policies he agrees with, blast what he doesn't. these days that's on immigration. >> the policy that led to the separation of children at the -- from their families at the border was -- was heartbreaking,
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heart-wrenching and simply wrong. >> reporter: in early 2016, romney was the never trump poster boy. >> donald trump is a phony, a fraud. his promises are as worthless as the degree from trump university. >> reporter: eight months later, a different tone as president-elect trump considered him for secretary of state. >> these discussions i've had with him have been enlightening and interesting. >> reporter: when you go to the senate, which mitt romney is going to go, the one that called donald trump a fake and phony or the one who talked to him about being secretary of state? >> i believe i've made it pretty clear that i'll stand with president trump if the policies he's proposing are good for the state of utah, for other states, for the nation. on the other hand, if he were to say something that is divisive and significant, something which we're racist or antiwomen or anti-immigrant, then i feel a moral responsibility to speak
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out. >> reporter: the few republicans doing that now from jeff flake to bob corker are retiring. is that one of the reasons you're going to washington? >> i recognize that if you're in washington and you're elected as a leader of our country, even though you're only one of 100 in the senate you need to speak out on things you care deeply about. >> reporter: at 71, this two-time gop presidential candidate thought his campaign days were behind him. senator orrin hatch decided to retire and urged romney to run for his seat. >> i did not expect to do this. >> reporter: wife ann pushed him to do it. >> you can get more done for utah and for our country than the average junior senator from utah. >> reporter: romney first ran for senate a quarter century ago in massachusetts challenging ted kennedy and losing by 17 points. he later ran for governor there and won but key for utah,
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stepping in to lead the 2002 salt lake olympic committee in the wake of a bribery scandal. his gop opponent calls michigan born romney a carpet bagger but his ancestors were early leaders in what is now utah's large mormon population. >> i'm a five generation utahen but my dad took time off for our business career. >> reporter: running for president, romney was known to make awkward statements that landed with a thud, not in utah. >> those were built about two and a half years ago but i'm told they're still good. >> reporter: a long time confidant says utah is a good fit for romney. >> i spoke to one senator that said you're going to hate us. scared me to death. this is the time that's critical. >> reporter: it is fascinating to see. in all seriousness, dana, ann pushed him. why does he want to go be one of
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100 senators at this point. >> reporter: i asked him, erica. you told him that i have spoken to so many former governors and ceos in the halls of congress and look at me and say this is different. it's hard to be one of 100. you have to learn the art of legislating. he says he understand that's but he obviously will not be your typical freshman back bencher. that is why he is going. he wants to get back in to the game. public service he says is obviously his thing and has been for a couple generations but erica, the thing is about the to have it both ways, what we found in talking to voters is, there really is a split. some want him to tow the line with the president and some say we want him to go there and be a counter weight to donald trump. that might explain why he's saying both things. >> why he penned that op ed to make it very clear to everyone. dana, thank you. mitt romney didn't say if
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donald trump says racist or objectionable things he says when, he said when, i don't know if that was on purpose or not. we'll see what happens. >> because he hasn't been sleeping through the last several months. he's in a tricky role. someone's need to carry that mantle in the senate and it's an important one to support trump when they think he's doing right. >> to be able to do it when you're not going to retire. >> perhaps the patron saint of that group of republicans might be george h.w. bush. look at that segue. i can do the segue. >> this is beautiful. >> that is bush 41, along with bill clinton, we know they have been friends. they're hanging out up in maine and showing off. i hope you can see it there in the picture. i believe those to be bill clinton socks. >> they are. >> it is a beautiful thing. we're talking a lot about civility this morning and is it a dying tradition of american politics. here are two men who fought
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cnn has learned a russian troll group was behind a don't shoot facebook page to organize a rally in the hours after cass still was gunned down by a police officer. this is tough video to watch. the russian trolls used the video his girlfriend uploaded. it was just one of many examples leading up to the 2016 presidential election. >> we forget so often what we know the russians did during this election. we know the games they were
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playing and i know, for instance, than an intelligence committee is infewerate that had so much the focus has left that area. >> it's key. what this great reporting shows, it's a reminder that they were about sewing the seeds of division and dissension. >> medical milestone for the first time ever, the fda has approved a prescription drug made from marijuana. cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta has done more reporting on this issue than anyone in this country. joins us now. what are you learning? >> john, it's a big medical milestone as you point out. this is the first medication that comes from the cannabis plant. there's a distinction here. there have been other medications where basically you synthesize a molecule from the plant to turn a drug into that. this is an actual plant itself. what is called a cbd plant, which is a type -- one of the
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ingredients, one of the primary ingredients in the cannabis plant. that's what this medications come prized of. it's for people that have seizures that do not respond to existing therapies. it was five years ago we talked about a girl named charlotte. she was exactly one of these children who had been through all these different generations of medications for her seizures. she was having 300 seizures a week. nothing worked for her. her mother formulated the cbd oil in her kitchen, that's the only option she had at that time and took her seizures down from 300 a week to two times a week. it was remarkable. fast-forward five years later now. you have the first fda approved drug to try and treat these seizures. it was a pretty fast process. drugs take a lot longer than that to develop. this is a nonpsycho active
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version of cannabis. it's not inhaled which makes it something that can be taken by anybody, john. >> fascinating, important development. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. do not miss an encore presentation of sanjay's incredible documentary. i learned so much from this. that's friday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. still to come, the bottom line, civility in politics. but first, tune in to find out, but first, nonprofit shelters to shutters gives a handup instead of a hand out to the homeless. >> i was going through a divorce or a separation with my husband. i had lost my job. i was evicted. i had to go to a shelter. i was sad, i was embarrassed. i didn't feel like i was good enough for my kids at that time. >> over 70% of all homeless are
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the white house hoping to change the focus, the conversation from those 2,000 children who are still separated this morning from their parents at the border, changing the conversation to one about civility in the wake of a restaurant owner asking press secretary sarah huckabee sanders to leave. in a new op ed writes, the hypocrisy is gulling. the administration thinks that a colorado baker should not be forced to serve a gay couple bhauz their wedding owe depends his religious beliefs. there is a stunning level of hypocrisy in washington as we know. to save our country we have to practice heroic self-restraint and courageous civility in the face of this grievous provocation. when does that start?
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>> it's not easy because there's no question that donald trump is destroying our politics with his hatred, his partisanship, his toxic racism. i'm as mad as anybody about that. i understand why people are deeply offended. this should cause outrage, the question is, how do you manifest that outrage and i would argue that hounding trump administration officials when they're going out to dinner is not productive. it just energizes their base, gets them angry and gets them out to the poll and basically as martin luther king, meeting hate with hate begets more hate. it's not the right way to go. the right way to go is to mobilize and energize and defeat trump and his supporters in november. >> is it okay to stand outside the department of homeland security to protest kirstjen nielsen? >> of course. absolutely. i'm all in favor of like the
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women's march on washington or the march for gun control. that is entirely appropriate. that is a great american tradition and we should see more of that as these heinous decisions being carried out by the trump administration. there's a line being crossed where maxine waters says that any time they go out in public they should be hounded by people. that's, you know, stooping to their level, essentially. >> hasn't the president erased those lines? can you cross the lines if the lines don't exist any more? >> absolutely. the president is the worst offender. i was a little bit offended by what maxine said but far worse what trump said in response where she w where he was threatening physical harm. we are never going to win a race to the bottom. he's always going to go lower and the whole country will be a loser if trump's critics try to emulate his tactics. we have no choice but to take the higher road.
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>> you talk about heroic self-restraint, it's not a quality our political leadership is known for right now. you talk about martin luther king, these are powerful, they seem so distant and unachievable. at a time when politics believe it's personal, families are being separated, gay people are being treated differently, that temptation to blur the public and private is powerful. politics is personal to me. why shouldn't i not cross that sphere? >> you ought to take it personally. what trump is doing is offensive. we've never had a president like this who has crossed every boundary of normal civilized discourse, all the barriers that protect our democracy he's trying to destroy them. the question is what the right reaction to that? is it to make it difficult for trump administration officials to go out to eat? that's not going to accomplish anything. it's going to rile up their base and feed into their victimhood narrative which is bogus but that's how they see themselves. i think the way to defeat this
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hateful rhetoric and action is by mobilizing at the ballot box. that's how we deal with people who offend us in american democracy. >> but it didn't work? it didn't work the last elect n election. >> you have another chance in november. >> every two years we get another chance and in november all these people who are upset about what trump is doing -- i'm upset. they ought to be going out there and voting against his supporters and there's a good chance they can defeat a lot of them especially in the house. >> there's something tricky about the he won argument, which obviously, he did, but as richard nixon used to say, they don't teach this in sunday school but fear motivates people more than love. that example if you follow it through endlessly is dangerous for our democracy. so, yeah, he won the electoral vote, lost the popular by an unprecedented amount. the point max is making, there's another election. people need to put their energy
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into that if it's simply fear versus fear hate fuversus hate, that's so destructive. >> the right places to protest, should it be happening on social media, because it seems like that does nothing but bring us to a lower level and that's not achieving a whole heck of a lot either? >> i think you ought to make your views known on social media. there's nothing wrong with that. i just think there's a right and wrong way of doing it and just meeting trump's name calling and meeting his rhetoric with more rhetoric is not the right way to go and that's also why i thought it was a mistake for robert deanywhero and samantha bee and others in attacking the most vulgar president we've ever had. that's playing right into his hands. that's what he wants. he wants to bring all the critics down to his level. he wins if you do that. disagree and disagree strongly on social media and in every other form there is but do it in a civil fashion because, remember, this is all about
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preserving our democracy. >> time for a quick yes or no question. do you think the images of their kids separated from their parents will be in the heads of the voters? >> it should be. if it's not democrats are not doing their job. poppy harlow picks up right after a quick break. matt: voilà! jen: matt started turning into his dad. matt: mm. that's some good mulch. ♪ i'm awake. but it was pretty nifty when jen showed me how easy it was to protect our home and auto with progressive. [ wrapper crinkling ] get this butterscotch out of here. progressive can't protect you from becoming your parents. there's quite a bit of work, 'cause this was all -- this was all stapled. but we can protect your home and auto when you bundle with us.
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. good morning, everyone. i'm poppy harlow. the presidential bromance with harley-davidson is officially over this morning the president is venting over harley's plans to move some of its production out of the united states to avoid paying sharply higher tariffs slapped on their bikes in europe. tariffs imposed in response to these sharply higher u.s. tariffs on european steel and aluminum. the president wrote, quote, a harley-davidson should never be built in another country. they're employees and customers are already very angry at them. if they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the end. they ser rendered, they quit. what a difference a year can make. abby phillips is at the white house. a year ago the president wrote, great meeting with harley-davidson executives from milwaukee, wisconsin at the white house. that has certainly changed. what else is the president saying this morning? >> reporter: that's right. the president's clearly agitated by what is a direct result of his policy of initiating ade


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