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what you oppose. feed the right wolf. that's all i've got for you tonight. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon is going to start right now. i know you know that story, don. i just feel tonight it fits. >> yeah, it does. and it's a very powerful message. i have a 10:15 press conference we're just being told. they're going to update us on the shooting. have a good evening. see you tomorrow, sir. the latest mass shooting in america, this time in the news room of "the capital gazette" in annapolis, maryland. we're expecting to hear from law enforcement within minutes. i just mentioned in a few minutes from now, we're going to bring that to you live. here's what we know right now. five people are dead, two injured, the suspect in custody tonight. law enforcement sources identify him as jared warren ramos. a white man in his 30s who filed a defamation claim years ago that was dismissed.
>> this was a targeted attack of "the capital gazette." he entered the building with a shotgun and he looked for his victims as he walked through the lower level. this person was prepared today to come in. this person was prepared to shoot people. his intent was to cause harm. and as i stated before, the investigative part of this is going to be thorough and it's going to take some time. >> that was an update just hours ago. now we're expecting a new one. so stick around for that one any moment. but investigators are frantically trying to determine the gunman's motive. police say threats of violence were sent to the capital gazette over social media, even today. they have not yet determined who sent those threats. but police say they arrived
within 60 to 90 seconds and interrupted that shooting. watch. >> people are coming out with their hands up. i need them covered. >> the suspect armed with a shotgun. >> do we have any kind of intel on our shooter? >> white male with pony tail. >> we're going to break down every detail of this story for you in a moment. also news on a major clash on capitol hill today. the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and congressman jim jordan are going at it over special counsel robert mueller's investigation. and republicans' accusations that rosenstein is withholding information from congress. things got really heated. >> mr. jordan, i am the deputy attorney general of the united states. okay? i am not the person doing the redacting. i'm responsible for responding to your concerns --
>> you're the boss. >> that's correct. my job is to make sure we address your concerns. >> i think the house of representatives is going to feel otherwise. >> may the witness be permitted to answer the questions? >> it's not personal. >> that's just a sample. we've got a lot more coming up to that. let's get to the latest on the shooting today at "the capital gazette." %-p break down all the information. shimon, thank you. terrible loss of life. we know from police it was a targeted attack. what do we know about the suspect and his motive? >> reporter: it's clear police are focusing on this long-standing dispute that they believe the gunman, the shooter, had with the newspaper. the lawsuit that the shooter filed in 2012, six
years ago, claiming defamation after the story the newspaper ran about an arrest that he was charged with in to connection to some harassment case. and ever since then, it appears that he's had this longstanding dispute with the newspaper. police are executing a search warrant at his home. what set him off today? this has been a longstanding dispute. what in particular may have occurred within the last few days or today that caused him to come here, open fire as police said targeting victims inside this news room, killing five people, don. >> and as i mentioned in the open to the show, police say there is a threat over social media as recently as today indicating violence. tell me about that?
>> yeah. so in the last press conference that police held here, they mentioned that there was this threat over social media and they were looking into it. they would not release any more information. they weren't even sure at the time that it was connected to the shooting today. but it was something that they were investigating. there is a lot of social media. there are some tweets from the gunman, grumbles against the newspaper, issues with people in the county. so, all of that, including the threats that the newspaper receive are part of the investigation. some with the newspaper were familiar with this threat. some of this longstanding dispute that the gunman here, the alleged gunman had with the newspaper. they did not know him by name. but they had known about this longstanding dispute certainly that was going on between this individual and the newspaper.
>> stand by, we have lots more to get to. we may be getting more details as you know. a news conference to be held at any moment now. i want to bring in the mayor of annapolis. his name is gavin buckley. i appreciate you joining us. it's a horrible day for you and the community and really for the country. we're really for what happened there. are you doing okay? >> it's a devastating day for the city. we have lost family today. the capital newspaper is the paper that covers the local issues. journalists that work for this newspaper don't make a lot of money, but they love what they do. and today, we lost some of them. and it's a big loss. >> let me ask you what's happening with the suspect. we were originally told there would not be another news conference until tomorrow. do you know anything about that? are there developments that are pending that we should be aware
of? >> yeah. i've heard that they're going to release some names of some of the victims. i think we were waiting to contact the families to find out what was going on there. i think that that has been done. we have to realize the human cost that's happening here. we also have to think of the police officers that run towards danger when we all run for cover and what they do. >> yeah. they were there in 60 seconds. i've got to tell you, people say this will never happen where i am, i can never, you know, imagine it happening. but it can. you realize that today. >> yeah. i became mayor of the city six months ago. last week we did an active shooter drill. i think that played a big part
in today. that's why our guys were on the scene that fast. i think that that helped. but you didn't think a week ago that this would actually happen in your city. it's very surreal. >> so let's talk about the shooter to try to figure out maybe what was going on, what was happening in his mind, why he did it. jarrod warren ramos, late 30s, a shotgun. a targeted attack. do you have any additional details about it? >> i am learning just sort of as you are learning. i understand that he had some connection to the paper. but i just have to ask the question, why are people so tightly wound now? why are we so angry, and what is making people respond to that? this newspaper is not a liberal newspaper. it's not a right-wing newspaper. it's a newspaper that stays in the middle and covers local issues.
it's one of the oldest newspapers in the country but it's our newspaper. we care about the people who work there and we love them. >> so can you answer your -- i don't know if it was rhetorical or you don't know the answer to that. why is there so much anger? why are people so tightly wound now? >> i don't know. i honestly have to ask that question. the rule of principle seem to be fear, maybe greed, things like that this can't be a ruling principle. your ruling principle should be hope and love and things that bring people together. and people that have different opinions than one another shouldn't hate one another. they should just realize they have a different opinion. that's okay. we've got to realize that you are not a bad person if you think in a different way. >> we need leaders to set that tone. you're a leader there, hopefully you're setting that tone and hopefully leaders all over the country, including the one in
washington, d.c. is listening to your message right now. so i thank you for coming on. i understand the news conference is going to start at any moment now. we may need you after that depending on what happens. stick close by. if you could come back, we appreciate it. if not, we certainly understand. thank you, mayor. >> thank you so much. thank you. >> want to bring you now brian carom, the executive editor of sentinel newspapers. brian, here we go again. >> yeah, tough day, brother. >> especially for you. you're the vp of the maryland/delaware/d.c. press association. you know most of the folks at that paper. >> yeah. >> how are you doing? >> it's a tough one. i feel like i lost family members today. colleagues. this is a good newspaper, don. they're like the newspapers that i run. they're good community newspapers that cover local high sports, local county council -- >> keep the pictures up. keep talking. >> they're a bunch of good people. >> so they're starting right
now, brian. i'll get back to you. let's listen in. >> we want to give you guys an update on information with we're putting out about the victims. that way we start that healing process. so with that, i'll introduce our acting chief and then after the chief we'll have jen corbin again from from our crisis that will talk about the healing process with the victims and with the families. chief? >> thank you. as i stated earlier today, we are in the second phase and this is our investigative process. through that investigative process we're going to bring information that we can confirm. before i give you the information on the victims, i want to say something about social media. the police department is very, very aware of what information you have on social media. but we have an obligation and a
responsibility to these victims that we get it right and we only get that once. so i can't confirm what's on your social media. i can only tell you what our investigation has confirmed and i'm going to share the names of our five victims with you now. first victim's name is wendy winters. second victim is rebecca smith, third victim is robert hiasson. fourth victim is gerald feshman. and the fifth victim is john mcnamara. >> can you spell them? >> can you say that again? >> what i would like to say about that is at this point, our investigative portion of this kind of breaks off into two different areas. one is the person of interest that we do have in custody. that person of interest is being interviewed as we speak by the
criminal investigation division? we do not believe, and we know through the investigation that there are no further threats and there are no further threats to the capital gazette newspaper or to the area. what i would also like to tell you is that the police department with our partners around government, annapolis city, the state, we work very well together. we have the best interest and well being of our victims in mind for anne arundel county. that number is 410-768-5522. and i would urge any persons who witnessed anything that occurred this evening, walking by the address, was near the address, who just needs someone to speak to, i would urge them to call
that line. we will have additional staff ready for this evening or any influx of phone calls. and i'm going to allow her to discuss that in a second. i want to end on this. we have a responsibility and an obligation to these victims. everyone in the anne arundel county police department and all our allied agencies, all of our government officials, we are deeply saddened by what happened today. we are deeply saddened that we had to make those notifications and we're deeply saddened that a person had to take this into his own hands and this is the result. so i'm going to bring jen corbin up and we're going to talk about the line real quick. >> can you repeat the names? >> i'll get that to you. >> just to explain what happened, my staff has been here
since this occurred. we have been involved in the reunification of the witnesses and their families, along with notifying the families of the people who have lost their lives. for the warm line, basically what we're asking is anyone who spoke with us today or anybody who maybe did not make contact with us through investigations, they reach out through that number. we have licensed clinicians on 24 hours a day. we will come out and help you in any way possible. what i'm going to ask is we're not using that number to call for information on the investigation. that is not what this number is for. this number is is for people who witnessed and might need assistance with getting through the trauma piece of this. we're not asking you to call and ask questions about which family members are where or for us to give comments on the investigation. we are here to help. that's for family and witnesses,
all night long, and as people need it. we will discuss it by phone. thank you. >> again, that's the information we have to hold true from what we said at the beginning of this. that was the purpose of calling this press conference. that warm line number is 410-768-5522. so that's the number to call for anyone that needs assistance and needs to talk to somebody for support. thank you. yeah? so the first is wendy winters. that's spelled w-e-n-d-i. last name is w-i-n-t-e-r-s. this is all that i have at this point. >> second is rebecca smith. r-e-b-e-c-c-a. smith. common spelling. first name is robert and the
robert henry hiaason. >> no, henry was the "h." h-i-a-a-s-o-n. >> again, as information becomes available, we'll make sure to get it out. we just thought it was very important to get the information out about the victims to you guys so their families can begin that healing process. so our thoughts and prayers go out to the families, the victims, their friends and we'll have an update for you in the morning. thank you very much. >> okay, there you go. anne arundel officials there, police officials there holding an update. a briefing, talking about where they are in this investigation, saying that now the suspect is being interviewed by the criminal investigation division as we speak, that's what they're saying. they're also saying that there are no new threats, they believe, at the newspaper or in the surrounding area of the capital gazette. also giving out a phone number. we can put that phone number back up. they're calling it a warm line.
but basically if you need assistance, if you have tips, if you need -- you know, if you need to cope to get through this, someone to get through this, call that number. and use that number judiciously. don't just call to check up on someone. 410-768-5522. it's at the bottom of your screen. and they read off the names of people who sadly were victims of this. all the victims were employees of "the capital gazette." i have information here from carl hiaason's facebook page. robert hiaason. this is from carl, someone who was related to him. i want to bring in our national security analyst, retired maryland state police major neil
franklin. so i want to get back to you, brian. you know him. you know robert hiaason. and carl is his brother on facebook says i've devastated and heartsick to confirm the loss of my wonderful brother rob today in this mas shooting in the news room at the annapolis capital gazette. he was an editor and a columnist at the paper. one of the most gentle and funny people i have ever known. he spent his whole gifted career as a journalist and he believed profoundly in the craft and mission of serving the public's right to know the news. we called him big rob because he was so tall. but it was his remarkable heart and humor that made him larger than all of us. please keep our family in your thoughts and prayers tonight. hug your loved ones like there's no tomorrow. >> don, he won an award this year for a feature he did
growing up during segregation. wendi winters was an award-winning reporter. that's devastating for those families. i feel like i've lost members of my own family. it's very tough in this day and age when you're berated as a journalist and you go out and do your job on any given day covering what most of us do, what most journalists do. covering the stuff that goes on in your community. to have that happen is very hard to stomach and very hard to take. i did not know robert well. i know he was looked upon as a mentor. and i liked his sense of humor. i like people who make me laugh. and i think that "the capital gazette" is going to be devastated by that loss. and that is a very good -- it's a paper about the same size of the two that i run. and there's some very good people there. and they do some very good work. and it's not right that they have to go through it any more than it is right that, you know, schoolchildren have to go
through it, high school students that have to face that. unfortunately the rhetoric in this country is such that it has ramped up. particularly against journalists and it's not acceptable. >> all employees of "the capital gazette" are being told, four were editors and one was a sales assistant there. >> yeah. wendi was really good. i can't -- i honestly don't know what to say. it's hard. >> was wendi an editor? >> i think she won a couple of awards for -- when you're in a small paper like that, you're writing and you're editing. she wrote a column that i think won an award, as well. and i think it's very -- like i said, man. it's a tough one. it's like your family members. >> well, it shows you the dangers of this job. and i think you're right. so many people throw out terms about journalists and say really derogatory things about
journalists, but our jobs are very dangerous and many times we go into a war zone. this turned into a war zone today without anyone having to go overseas and put on flak jackets. >> i served in a war zone and it didn't feel like this. i got a couple of of threats today after the shooting. people saying i don't deserve to breathe air and why am i alive. and they send it to our newspaper and they send them to other newspapers. and that's the new reality in which we live. and honestly, don, i have to tell you, we've joined the ranks of russia and third world nations where reporters lives aren't safe. and that's not right. >> julia, i want to know what stood out to you. they're talking to a person of interest right now. they said that their criminal investigation division is doing that. but they believe there are no further threats. >> i would have -- first of all, i just want to say i'm very
sorry, brian. this was a mass shooting. whatever the motivation was,ing we are here again. and it's important to remember that we are -- it's a rare country that has these. the proliferation of weapons. and i know we're focused on motive, but we really should take a step back and realize that people woke up this morning and aren't coming home. so i would have divided the press conference into two pieces, of course, which was the important part of the victims and naming them. it's important these families are going through something that none of us could imagine. and the police were trying to say, lay off, stop investigating this. that's important to do. the second part was what they didn't say, which was anything about the assailant. there's a lot going on on social media. some being reported by very -- you know, certain news organizations about fingerprints and other things. and i think that was a sort of
we're not going there yet. we can't confirm anything in terms of that press conference. they didn't even name the assailant, even though his name is out and about. so i think that was an attempt to say we're not going there yet because we don't quite know yet. so that was -- there were two pieces to that important press conference. and we'll learn more tomorrow. >> they're very good at what they do. anne arundel police will do it right. i do trust -- and i like what you said about that investigation. it's very true. they're not going to go anywhere wherefore they have anything confirmed. although many of us have information about it, i'm not going there unless it's confirmed. >> so, neil, i want to get your perspective as a law enforcement person that you can share your eck per tease. i need to get to the white house before our reporter has to be cleared from the lawn then we'll come back to you. so in the wake of the shooting today in the newsroom of the capital at the newspaper of annapolis, maryland. president trump did not answer shouted questions from reporters today. watch this. >> any word about the dead in
annapolis? can you talk about the shooting in annapolis? >> can you talk about the shooting in annapolis? >> can you talk about the dead reporters in annapolis? >> mr. president, what about the families, mr. president? >> why are you walking away? >> so, joining me now, is kaitlan collins. kaitlan, many times the president will come over and talk. he'll shout some answers back. he didn't, as they shouted questions, but we did hear from him today later on, correct? >> don, we did. right after this shooting happened, the president tweeted, saying he had been briefed on the shooting. he was in wisconsin today. we were here at the white house as the shooting was happening roughly an hour away from washington, d.c. he said his thoughts and prayers were with the victims and the families and he thanked the first responders who were on the scene.
two more things they're flying back on air force one. before we really knew a lot about this, one of the press secretaries is briefing reporters. and the reporter said we don't know a lot about the motive of this shooting, but did this make the white house and the president at all think about this rhetoric about the media and how he constantly laments they are fake news, the enemy of the people. they say no, violence is not tolerated in any form. no matter who it's against. and we saw a strong statement from the press secretary, sarah sanders interacts with reporters on a near daily basis. she said she strongly condemned this evil act, calling it senseless. she said a violent attack on innocent journalists doing their job is an attack on every american. and she went on to say her prayers are with the victims and their families. we did not hear from the president in person today, don. there's a chance we could hear from them tomorrow before he goes to bed minister, new jersey.
but once again, don, we are seeing this president in his short 17 months or so in office. he's going to have to confront and face another form of gun violence. it's something he has already had to face several times throughout his presidency. >> switching quickly to the supreme court. i'm going to talk to senator cory booker about this more in just a moment. but you have some new reporting about some key senators at the white house tonight. what can you tell us? >> that's right, just 24 hours after justice anthony kennedy announced that he is going to retire, the president is already meeting with senators who will be key votes in confirming his next supreme court nominee. of course, we learn today from sources that the white house hopes to nominate someone by july 9th. that is very soon. a date that's fast approaching and a date that will come before anthony kennedy has officially even retired on july 31st. but now we do know that the president met with several people tonight that will be key votes. the democrats, three of them who
voted to confirm neil gorsuch, senator heitkamp, senator don lee and joe manchin. also two key republican votes, senator susan collins and senator lisa murkowski. two votes that will be very crucial on this course. conversations are coming into play about whether or not this next supreme court justice could be a factor in overturning roe versus wade. the president did meet with those senators and senator chuck grassley of iowa, to discuss his next supreme court pick. he said it's going to come off of that list of 25 people they released in the fall. there they are there on the screen. those are going to be people, don, who essentially decide the fate of the supreme court for the next several decades. >> take a look at them. thank you. appreciate it, kaitlan. back now to my folks here who were speaking to me right after this news conference. neil, i just want to get your assessment on this situation. and you think about it, this is
june 14th of last year, we were dealing with the awful shooting at the republican baseball practice. remember? in washington, d.c. now we're dealing with this. and i hope just as much sympathy and prayers as we had for those folks in that last year that everyone has for these folks this year as journalists. give me your assessment, neil. >> yeah, no doubt. now that we know what occurred and who's responsible, i've looked at this guy's twitter account. and he's had this ongoing gripe with the capital for quite some time now. about six years. for about the past two years and some-odd months, that twitter account has been silent. then one comment apparently right before the incident occurred about leaving him alone. and i won't use the word he used on air here.
but what did happen there? you know, that is rather interesting. i know law enforcement is looking into that. the anne arundel county police department department is very good. their response was excellent. they just underwent some recent training for active shooter. we've been doing it quite a while here in maryland so i'm not surprised at that response. now the investigators are taking over. and right now, we're at the point of how do we -- again, how do we prevent this from happening in the first place. 60 to 90 seconds they arrived on the scene. but yet, five people lost their lives. we have to prevent this from ever occurring in the first place. undoubtably, we're dealing with mental health again. a lot of people get, you know, angry at the newspapers and what they print and so on. and yes, we've got the rhetoric out of the white house, but again, we're dealing with a mental health issue. interviewing the family,
interviewing the friends, interviewing everybody that knows this guy, trying to find out and get a better picture about, you know, indicators, flags. you know, the days right before this occurring. because this went on for six years. for six years. i guarantee you, there's something there over the past few days that maybe someone could have picked up on. >> that's got to be the last word. i've got to run. thank you so much and. and brian, listen, i'm sorry, i know you knew these folks better than any of us. sorry for your loss. >> it's all right, don. thanks, man. the prayers to them. >> absolutely. thank you so much. we're going to have more on today's deadly shooting. when we come back, senator cory booker joins me. he says he's gearing up for a fight when it comes to the president's supreme court pick a and he says the president's nominee shouldn't be considered until the mueller investigation is over. hear that sizzle?
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>> well, first of all, i grieve for the families. and, you know, i live in a community that has lots of shootings. this year i've had a young man killed with an assault weapon on the block i live on. and the way this is being normalized in your country is unacceptable. you could say the difference is the ease with which people can access weapons. this is not a helpless moment. there are things we could be doing from taking real action and providing mental health care all the way to focusing on common sense gun safety laws to where people cannot purchase guns so easy. people who have ill will. >> so other issues i want to talk to you about. the supreme court issue here, kaitlan collins is reporting this. i want to put this up. republican senators, grassley, murkowski, collins along with your democratic colleagues,
heitkamp, manchin and don lee meeting with the. the. does that tell you anything about the president's strategy? >> no, not at all. it tells me, though, that he obviously understands what we all understand, that there's a handful of senators that could determine whether women still have the ability to make their own medical choices, have control over their bodies, whether lgbtq americans can marry in this country. whether we'll see a continue the erosion of voting rights, civil worker rights, vote rights. this is perhaps in both of our lifetimes the biggest shift possible in the court. from moving really progressing to expanding personal freedoms to shifting really towards suppressing those freedoms, elevating corporations that we saw with citizens united over individuals. i've had conversations privately
with a lot of our colleagues. especially with the roe versus wade decision. especially with the swing votes, this could be a moment as donald trump said up and down. i will put judges that will overturn roe on the court. that this could be a moment where we see a judge in the next few months appointed and states -- one state, five states, ten states, starting to ban abortion, even if you're the victim of rape, survivor of rape, even if you're the survivor of incest. >> i want to talk about your strategy. the same three democrats that i mentioned before, they all voted yes for neil gorsuch, right? 54-45. republicans need 51 votes to confirm the next justice. heidi heitkamp of north dakota, joe manchin of west virginia, joe donnelly of indiana. why is he telling them that it could cost them their states? >> they need 50 votes because if it's a tie, it then goes to the obviously to the vice president. and so again, there's a lot of reasons, one of which you mentioned earlier tonight. we have a president who is the
subject of a criminal investigation. we have a president that we know asks for litmus tests and loyalty tests from his people. and why should we -- isn't it a major conflict of interest when so many elements of this case can go to the supreme court, whether a president pardon himself? can a president end the investigation? can the president fire an investigator? >> can he be indicted? >> you know here's a guy that asks for that loyalty, we've seen that with mueller, we've seen that with him literally saying with jeff sessions, i would not have put you in that place if i knew you were going to recuse yourself, which he rightfully recused himself. >> you're saying this president should not be able to nominate or confirm -- until this investigation is over. >> i'm saying the senate, not to create a constitutional crisis, the senate should push pause and say this investigation -- let
this investigation be completed then let's take this up. donald trump has two, three years left. but we should put a pause on this now and avoid a conflict of interest and a constitutional crisis. >> what are the odds? >> you're smiling so you obviously know as well as i do that here is a mitch mcconnell that denied president obama with about a year left in his term, as if people only elected him for three years, not a four-year term. denied his ability to put a supreme court justice in. he subverted the rules, not just for the -- you see happening is not just about the supreme court. we see even senate traditions being eroded for circuit court judges, for district court judges. so i have no confidence that's the case, but i'm going to make that case because, again, this is a moment in american history like i've never seen before. you and i are probably sitting here because we have supreme courts that were affirming equal rights, that were affirming equality under the law. and here we now have a court that's been voting 5-4 on a lot of these decisions that have
been trying to protect individual freedoms now about to leave. and so just think about a woman now who's sitting there in a state that's tried to make abortion illegal who is thinking about what is going to happen to me, not just for rape or incest. what it's my own life. african-american women have twice the rates now of complications, pregnancy leading to death. what if this is my own life i'm worried about now, complications with my pregnancy. to take away those freedoms, this is one of the moral moments in our country's history where we can see ourselves becoming a country where a lot of rights we've taken for granted and the freedoms and liberties are taken away from us. >> i want to speak to you about dignity for incarcerated women act. the next supreme court are going to weigh in on decisions that are affecting causes close to you, like criminal justice reform. tell us about this act. >> i'm overwhelmed you're asking me about it. it's one of the most important
bills i've done. most americans don't understand the women in our prison system that are dramatically less violent than men. 1 in 3 of all incarcerated women on the planet is here in america. they're growing 50% faster than men are. we're shackling pregnant women when they're giving birth, denying them some of the basics, tampons and pads. 86% of the women we incarserate in america are survivors of sexual trauma, yet we're not doing any kind of care to help with those issues. and so we take off and hurt people who need help, who need medical care and we put them in environments which other countries call unjust. i have a bill to address that. i'm happy that over ten states right now are patterning bills off of my bills with elizabeth warren and moving it forward. >> i'm not going to ask you directly what you think i'm going to ask you. but everyone people ask, who are
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gig-speed network and add voice and tv for $34.90 more per month. call or go on line today. house members slamming the deputy attorney general on capitol hill today. rod rosenstein pushing back against trump allies trying to discredit robert mueller's investigation. this is a fiery exchange right now between congressman jim jordan and rod rosenstein. >> you're the boss, mr. rosenstein. >> that's correct. and my job is to make sure we respond to your concerns. we have, sir. i have appointed mr. lausch, who is managing that production. my understanding is it's actually going very well, sir. so i appreciate your concerns. >> again, i think the house of representatives is going to say otherwise. >> but your use to attack me personally. >> point of order, mr. chairman. may the witness be permitted to
answer the question? >> i appreciate your sincere concerns, but i didn't give any instructions. if there was some problem with the instructions he had, i'll be happy to -- >> wait a minute. that's not what that lawyer said. mr. rosenstein, did you threaten staffers on the house intelligence committee? media reports indicate you did. >> media reports are mistaken. >> sometimes. but this is what they said. having the nation's number one law enforcement officer threaten to subpoena your calls and e-mails is down right chilling. did you threaten to subpoena their calls and e-mails? >> no, sir, and there's no way to subpoena phone calls. >> i mean, i'm just saying. [ laughter ] >> i'm just saying. i'm reading what the press said. >> i suggest you not rely on what the press said. >> did you say it? >> no, i did. >> who are we supposed to believe, staff members who we worked with who never misled us or you guys who we've caught hiding information from us, who tell a witness not to answer our questions, who are we supposed to believe?
>> thank you for making it clear it's not personal, mr. jordan. you should believe me because i'm telling the truth and i'm under oath. >> christopher wray got the same treatment on the hill today. guy lewis has worked with robert mueller, andrew mccabe and james comey. from my assessment, that was a you-know-what slap right there. charlie, give me your reactions to the former republican colleagues in the house attacking the deputy attorney general, the fbi director with such vitriol and grand standing. not to mention wray and rosenstein are both republicans and trump appointees. >> we well, i don't think rob rosenstein is a very fine and honorable man. i have a lot of faith in him as
i do christopher wray. if these members and the president don't have confidence in rosenstein and wray or sessions or mueller, the president could fire them. i would not recommend that. that would set off a political crisis, the likes of which we haven't seen since watergate. they're simply trying to discredit rosenstein and mueller so that whatever they find will then be questioned in the eyes of the public they may have been successful in that at the moment, and that's unfortunate .i hear a lot of complaining about fisa. all the complaints about fisa we're hearing about now, we had an authorization in fisa at the end of last year and i didn't hear any of these comments. we could been taking up these issues when we were reauthorizing the law. this is mostly political more noise, more smoke than anything else. >> you know rod rosenstein, how do you think he's feeling
tonight? >> i got to tell you, don, i have never seen him get angry. he's always been calm, cool, collected. today i saw him get angry, there's no doubt about it. look it, he was called a liar, a cheat, a cover-up, and he he's none of those things. the congressman is exactly right. it reminds me of an old saying that carl sandberg said about lawyers that if you don't have the facts, of course, you argue the law. if you don't have the law, you argue the facts. and if you don't have the law or the facts, what do you do? you pound the table and you scream like hell and i think that's what we saw today. >> yeah. and how do you think jim jordan is feeling tonight? >> well, i've got to think that he is frustrated. look, and again, i agree with the congressman. this message was for bob mueller. that's what today was all about. and if they think truly -- and i mean this with all respect, if they think this bob mueller is going to be dissuaded from doing
his job, this is a guy -- forget about him being an assistant u.s. attorney, a u.s. attorney, this guy is a marine, served in vietnam. he was wounded in action, awarded the bronze star, the purple heart. is he going to do his job, you better believe. >> even rosenstein said we don't pay attention to the news cycle and we're not ideological. we don't assume someone is guilty when we're doing this. i thought his answers were extremely sharp and very quick wit and comeback. i wonder if it's just from months and months, if they're frustrated by so much lying and partisanship and piling on from the president's supporters about things that may not necessarily be true. i just thought this was the moment that he's like okay, enough is enough. i also want to bring somebody else in. congressman dent, this is for you. this is congressman trey gowdy, what he had to say about the russian investigation. watch this. >> this country is being hurt by
it. we are being divided. we've seen the bias. we've seen the bias. we need to see the evidence. if you have evidence of wrongdoing by any member of the trump campaign, present it to the damn grand jury. if you have evidence that this president acted inappropriately, present it to the american people. whatever you got, finish it the hell up. because this country is being torn apart. >> okay, so these are the facts. it took trey gowdy two years and seven months to investigate the 2012 benghazi attack. do you know what his result was? a report. that's it. mueller has been at this for over one year and one month. he already has one person sentenced, five guilty pleas, 79 criminal charges and who knows what else. so should gowdy of all people
really be saying that it's time to wrap this up and it's been too long a time after spending two years and a couple of months in an investigation that resulted in nothing, congressman? >> well, this investigation will end when it ends. after serve on the chairman ethics committee, i can tell you that the more you investigate, it just opens up more doors and you have to chase things down. and these investigations in my view always take longer than any of us would like. and i believe director meuller is going to produce those findings and it will be dumped in congress' lap is my prediction at some point. i think that trey who is a good friend, trey is going to get his wish. this is going to be sent to congress at some point. and i think they're going to have to deal with it. and it might not be as soon as they like, but it's going to be -- it will be delivered.
>> i got one more, and if you can answer for me quickly, congressman lewis. because president trump tweeted again today that the special counsel investigation is headed by 13 angry democrats. >> i do not consider myself an angry democrat. >> are you a democrat? >> i'm not a democrat and i'm not angry. >> is the whole point here republican attacks to make wray and rosenstein have to defend themselves like this? >> it's designed to discredit, not only rosenstein, he's leading the investigation and he has the ability to bring mueller in, sit him down and look, bob, i want this thing done inside of three months. he has that power, that ability. it's going to end when it ends.
the other side is frustrated, they're angry. they want it to end yesterday. and it's just not going to happen. >> i'm trying to give you a new title and a new job. i'm not sure if you want it. but thank you. i appreciate it. >> president trump still trying to cast doubt on russia's interference even though his intelligence committee concluded that's exactly what russia did. i want to talk about this with james clapper. there he is on your screen. good evening, sir. thank you so much. it's been a very interesting day. so the president continued to attack on the russia investigation this morning and we'll put this up. russia continues to say they had nothing to do with meddling in our election. he then said and what about the 13 angry democrats?
will they his their conflicts with crooked h? how many people will be sent to jail? and persecuted on old and/or totally unrelated charges? there was no collusion and there was no obstruction of the no collusion. he's parroting the russian government denial going against the assessments of his own intelligence agencies, which included that there was russian involvement in the election. how are you concerned that he keeps pushing this false narrative? >> well, it's very disturbing. and, you know, president trump is not known for being consistent. this is one case where he's been consistent since the day we briefed him about russian meddling in the interference. and i just repeat something that i said before. the evidence for this was overwhelming. and we had multiple sources that we had very high confidence in. on the extent of russian meddling.
and it's one of the reasons why i as a catalyst was writing in my book is to document that. as much as could be on a classified basis to include what we've learned since then. and so i just find it very disturbing that here russia, our major adversary, an existential threat to this country. and he seems to have a higher regard for russia and its leader than he does our allies, the g7. and of course, as we approach the summit, i anticipate that he will berate the nate toe members. he already has in the form of a letter that he sent to the members, those that aren't coughing up 2% of their gdp for defense, which is kind of an artificial level anyway. and these go and have another photo-op, you know, we are pals
with putin. much as he did in singapore. >> so let's talk about that. a half-hour after that tweet, i just read the white house announced details with a one-on-one meeting with the russian president in helsinski in about two weeks. do you have concerns about that meeting? >> sure. for the same reason you get nervous about one-on-one meeting with anybody. if that is, in fact, the case, we're just translators. i'm always concerned about that in his meeting in singapore with kim jong-un. just as mb around that's an expert on this, he's not snookered. and putin is pretty shrewd and i think he's figured out how to handle president trump and how to appeal to him which, of course, is through his ego. so i worry about what, you know, concessions that he might make, even unwittingly, like giving away the war games, for example, as he did in the singapore
summit. >> so let's talk a little bit more about this. you think the president, who has gone overboard in his praise of vladimir putin, denied russian meddling, excused the annexation of crimea, do you think he's going to push putin on anything in this summit? >> no, of course not. he's not going to push back on any of that? >> why not? >> that's a great question. and hopefully at some point, to reference your previous segment, we'll get an answer from that. and i think our only hope really is the mueller investigation to finally clear the air on this. and to a certain extent with all the badgering by some of the republicans i think trey gowdy had a point that this is a cloud over the country and a president over the presidency. and it needs resolution. >> fair enough. but he says it's time to -- you know, i'm sure people would love for it to be over, right? i'm sure some on the left are hoping the outcome is terrible, the right is hoping there's noth