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know, i don't kno how it happen i just don't get i i've s the stuff online but i it's true. they've got ts out and make sure happen again. nothin sinister, just prank, but if a bad perso international figu through to the pre president beliefs hear, be serious. the show tonight, 9:00 p.m. easter two hours tonight. we'll be watching. erin burnett "outf right breaking news. "outfr a rush to fill. trump just announcing he's meetin with supreme court nomine this weekend. promis an announcemen days from now. plus, flynn on hold. the special counsel wants a delay sentencing michael flynn. what is the issue? and the president journalists should fear w their jobs, so will he stop attack iing press? let's good evening. i'm erin burnett, "outfront" this evening, the breaking news.
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presid free wheeling aboard air force one. it was just a 50-m from washington, d.c. to the presid sort of weekend get away in the summer in new jersey but in that 50 minutes, he wan reporters and he made some major headli from the supreme court to russia to the fate of john kelly. first, the p president teasing sort of a bake off for his candid for the supreme court. >> i'l the 9th! r who you lee iin >>. >> we outstanding i look them all. >> five. >> but i'm, i've got it down to about five. i have a woman. >> is that amy? >> i have two women. two women out of the five. we hav women on the court now. i have two women. >> mr. president - out of the t.
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>> all right, so as he tries to build all that excitement, the presid went on to say this is really important. he will not ask his nominees if they'l overturn roe v wade. you magt say look at the list, we can tell. that's not always true. also previewing hi summit putin in helsinki. >> talking about ukraine, talkin about syria. we'll be talking about electi and we don't want anybody tamper with elections. >> that's a big deal. he doesn't want anyone tampering becaus you'll remember only yester the president tweeted, russia co they h nothing to do with meddli in our election then went on to talk about the disgra fbi. so that would be r very import and then the president didn
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stop addressing report thag he want to replace his chief of staff john kelly. >> how long you think he'll stick around? >> that i don't know. >> a l start with boris s travel with trump. the president spending the weeken at his golf course in bed minister, where you are tonigh he wan to talk. he wan to spend his flight chatti let's start with the president's possib meetings this weekend with supreme court nominees. he say he's got that list of f 25 county to as few as five. two women on that list. >> that's right. the president taki the na you recall, just a few h ago, we were talking about the embarr phone call he shared with a comedian, a frank phone call aboard air force one. in just about 20 minutes, he has shifte the news in a different direct one where he likes it to go. he talk ed about hosting one or two possible repla kennedy at h
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this w saying that he's whittl down the list of 25 possible candidate five. includ as you noted, two women. one topic that's not going to be up for discussion this weekend, roe versus wade he sai it would be inappr here's more from trump on the topic. are you looking for some who would overturn roe v wade? >> well you know, great dproup of intellec yual talent, but they are generally conser i'm no going to ask them that questi by the way. president al is not going to be asking these candid position on lg lgbtq rights. on the subject of putin, the presid saying he may bring up
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the subject of medicidling next the big question i is he confront putin. he's faced critici from some staunc allies over what was percei as a weak response when putin has denied meddling and lastly on john kelly, the president denying he was considering a replac we've previously reported that source have indicated that president trump ha to all them on their views replacement ifs john kelly for mobnths, so this i something we know has been on his radar. again, unclear the been p discussions that he has been having. >> thank you very much. boris. and i want to go now to "new york t white house report bruni and jennif rogers. frank, the president say he's going to talk about leches with
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putin. says he doesn't want anyone tamper with our elections. yester obviously, he sort of went a vein he did one of the last times he met with putin. he say he didn't do it. yester was the russia says they h nothing to do with meddli that w it on russia. but you know, he called jim comey shady and the fbi disgra in the same tweet. so is he really going to bring this u the way his nation team a his national securi advisers and all the chiefs of intelligenc and i could go on and on, want him to? >> are you saying he's incons i've never noticed that before. there' nothing in theory of this relationshi with putin, of presidtrump's statements to date, to indicate we were have confid he's going to bring this up. he has more often than not thrown water on the theory of meddli despite the fact his own intelligence e said over and over again. >> could have been a base literally. >> occasionally he says
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someth like this to get us to stop asking the question, but this i no signal of a changed course or that he' this s as part of this, he sort slamme president obama. said the whole issue with crimea was because of obama even though just a few days ago, he made putin' look, they all speak russian. so you know, here's what h the . >> you're meeting with president putin europe. will you talk to him about crim crimea >> about everything. presid gave up crimea. that w totally given up by presid no, no, president obama gave it up. >> i mean of course it wasn't president obama's to just to remind wasn't an american anythi like that. what d away tr from this? >> of president obama di up. it was in there and caused it to happen. obama just sit back and do not
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we hav a president who kind of makes up his own reality in a lot of he's just trying smooth the way r for this relati he wants with russia that a lot of people still >> rig that's and of course now julie, we have the pr saying we've got what five people. he has lists of 20 to 25 it's s of an apprentice style situat that's going on. maybe he's going to meet with peop people, but he's n ask them about roe v wade. do you put too much stock that do you thin he's not going to ask them. >> no question the president does gravitate to this sort of realit show like process. he enjoys that. i think that's why being so transp because he wants people watch the process. but in terms of not asking the about roe v wade, he said previo when he put together this list, he had if his mind he was looking for justices who would i think he said
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automa overturn roe v wade. they w be pro-life people come from that bench. he's confidence al people this list would all be inclin to do that. so he almost doesn them. it is though, thi the sort of presid often say, i'm not going to f a litmu going ask him about specific preced it's interesting t saying rather than sort of going where he usu goes, which is to make it clear on what he wants to happen and just let people extrapo from there. >> he's doing a little bit of playin the game in a way that he doesn't always play it. what a this issue, he made the point of not one of them, but two are women. obl there's been a lot of buzz about some of the list. they w the origin to 25. he's saying two are on his final list. a lot of people keep skl about this woman, amy barrett, from the secircuit.
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how seriously do you thin he's consid her or any of the indivi sns. i don't think he'se pick awoman. i know frank disagrees. she's very inexperienced. she's been on the circuit court for like eight months. she wa not a judge before that. >> there's already two women on the co >> thr >> sor yes. >> kee on it. you're right. she's not that experienced he has many appoin that experience is not his biggest thing. she got into the back and forth at a senate confirmation h with d feinstein and it was all about her religion and she wa her kai thol cz thol, can can you interpret the law. she became a real hero to religi conservatives and trump has shown he likes to make religi conservatives happy. >> i assume this was an abortion conver >> she's also 46. they w get someone on the court for three decades or more.
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>> the know where she stands on a lot of things. >> now but what happened he sa that the whole bed thing. can i remind peopl not of donaldtrump, the apprentice host, but that's what this is remini of. everyb remember mitt romney, chris christie, reince priebus, they h the flag out, they did the whole meet and shake. is thi to do for scotus? >> you mean decorum might preven donald trump? >> i know i shouldn't sound so surpri >> as julie said so eloquently before every moment of this presid that he can turn into someth like reality tv he does. i thin it's possible he'll do exactl that. we wer told two different justic came to washington. before he announce gorsuch. >> julie, what abo kelly? this h been going on for a while. reporting, there's no lo
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lost. there's not a lot people anymo. what does that mean about john kelly that he's praising him, but saying i don't kno how long he'll be here. what a hearing on how long he'll be around? >>well, for a long time. it's been the case that you know, people have seen john kelly as eyeing the exits. and there have been these cycles of rumors that have sort of ebbed and right now, they a flowing. the date is approaching when he's going to be leaving. whethe by his own choice or by presid deciding he's had en no que he has not seen as long for this world. i did think it was the way the presid these questions t plane. he didn't say oh, stayin long time. that's totally wrong. they s he's a good man. we've had a good relationship it sounded like th past. and i wouldn't be surprised if we see some movement on this soon. but we've been through this so many times it's hard to pinpoint
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a date. >> it was a eulogy and ewe've notice he's a good man is not a good thing. thank all very much. and next, the breaking news. bob mueller asking for another delay in sentencin flynn. does that mean he get more out? what tuz does this of the information flynn is still providing? >> plus, the presi victor lap on tax cuts. it was do the facts add u we're going check to thepresident's top economic advise and chilling detail about the supped gunman who killed five people at the capita gazelle newspaper. one man who witnessed what he called the suspect's constant stream of venom in he's
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the sentencing of michael flynn. a strong indication that flynn sooech now providing valuable inform to bob mueller. now flynn pleaded guilty to lying investigators in decemb he's been cooper with investigators ever since. you'd think gosh, that's a long time. is there still big information? well that's the crucial question and "outfront" now is our justic r correspondent, evan perez. when you hear this and say he's been cooperating for such a long time, how significant is it that mueller's team is with >> i think it is very signif f. he's been one of the most value valuab witnesses in this
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invest what this means is that we c expect that there couple shoes to drop. that the special counsel is not yet ready to tell us about. that's reason why they're trying to delay it for 60 days. in thehour, eastern, the b specia counsel and flynn lawyer were trying to tell the judge we can't talk about why it is that we want this delay, but the judge came back in the last hour and said that he wants more of an explanation so he's give ing them a few more day to back to him and pe filing that will be under seal, they'l have to explain to the judge what exactly it is that flynn is doing behind the scenes for th special counsel that requir him to wait another 60 days before he sentencing him. so what this tells us is that there' investigative work being done now. bb mue trying to tell public what it is, but whatever it is, it's someth they're trying to
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work on before they sentence mike flynn. >> all right. thank very much. evan. and now, i want to go to the democr congressman, who's on the judiciary committee. let me just get your reaction. you heard what evan's reporting. he's been cooperating here since for six mo evan this could mean a couple more shoes to drop. this i the third time they've delaye flynn's sentencing. do you there are more shoes to drop? >> i do. thank erin for your questi as a f prosecutor what this tells me is that the counsel's invest is far from over. they'r still investigating elemen for which they need flynn' cooperation and with every new witness they interview and every new docu it ope so best thing we can do for our nation procee to its conclusion withou any politic interf when y over, you think then overall, the russia invest into meddling and
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collus by the trum is far from over. you do announ in the next couple of months before the election. >> i d not. it's possible, but with every passin you see additi witnesses, getting additi i don't think it's soon. i want about flynn. they r a delay tonight. this i the third time. two other defendants in the specia counsel's investigation though are going to be se george papadopoul papadopoulos, they asked that to be delayed. that's set for sep accord to obviously the timeli we have, you know, he sort of, his meeting with the australian am bass in the u.k. sort of started this thing. richard is an auction near f i.ds, going to be sentenced this fall for identity fraud. does that counter what you're saying at all?
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>> i don't think because there are a lot of different krip that occurred in 2016. the fake i.d. is a separate segreg issue and george papado while he was not a coffee boy, he was fairly signif he also wasn't tru national securityviseadviser wasn't as high as michael flynn. >> so let me ask you about anothe development in the invest today, which was really shocking, frankly. you kn found out that bob muelle and his team and the fbi learne about storage locker. a storage locker that had 30 years of business records from paul manafort. who they have now after everything they've got. but they learned about this with 30 years of record an associ press report. this i just a report now about that. this iagent's testimony in federalcourt. that's how they found out about the storage locker. does that worry you that bb muelle would find out about so
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huge from an oesuaassociates pr report >> no, me is thank goodness for the f first amendment an greate is the free press and oftentim will find informat department of just have. i thinymbo of a vibran democracy. zpl the new yor. >> "the new york t reporting that aft comby the rod rosens who of course the presid citeded, blamed this on in his, blamed it on his letter that rosenstein repeatedly was angry and kept talking about ho. the wo used is the word that's out there. to rationalize the firing and now the doj deny this is. they say that rose feel t you we with him yesterday. he was testifying before your commit congressman do you think he felt used by the white house or not? >> i do. rod rosenstein has done a good
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job of protecting the department of jus from political interf by my republican collea terms of the comey firin mr. rosenstein has ever right to be angry. donald should have toll him he was going to fire comey becaus the russia ve invest instead, he told r write he the used it as kor story cover so mr. rosenstein to be angry. zpl thank you very much and you're referring to what the presid said to lester holt where he made it v russia was the rea sx >> said that on national tv. >> thank you so much. have a weekend. next, president trump braggi in a trumpian way about his tax cuts. >> our country finally has a tax system that is pro pro worker, pro faamerican. >> is it? all those pros? trump' top economic adviser is
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is "ou and the president says journalists should be able to do their jobs w yes, h that. so will he stop retweeting things if you feel like you spend too much time in the bathroom
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in american history. our country has a tax system that i pro jobs, pro worker, pro fa and pro american. ah, no. the tax cuts were not the bigges in american history. in fact, they were the eighth bigges since 1918. that's according to the commit for responsible federa budget. numberone, number one, whatev are they working? so look, even if you disagrow every pro the pres off, there's one thing that's indisp indisp that the u.s. job market is strong. the unemployment rate is down to 3.8%. that ties its lowest rate since 1969. so is it all clear skies ahead? a lot of economists are worried about a recession in the ies li this. u.s. economy was weaker last quarte than we thought. that coming as u.s. growth was
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revise down, but if the future is all that matter, then the administration's promise wage icreaskreecrease thanks tos is what we should be watching, right? >> lower taxes on american busine means whier wag americ >> it will make businesses across america more competitive to great good paying jobs and raise wages for working americ >> so, where are wage increa the latest report from the labor depart says that for all worker in the united states, quote, real average hourly earninunchanged, season adjust ed from may o this year to may o for production and nonsooip supervisory employ real avrnl earnindecreased. so hourly earnings went down in may from a year ago. why? well, a lot of that money the corpor got from the tax
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cuts has went backto corrations. they a billion in stock buybacks and cash takeov month alone. that's where the records are being set. and what about the president's tariff becaus they're crucial here. there serious fears that tariff could just eliminate the benefi of the tax cuts all togeth here is the main who crafted trump' tax plan, the form er director of the na econom counsel. gary cohen. >> look, if you end up with a tariff battle, you will end up with price inflation. you could end up with r more consumdebt. those are all historic ingred for an economic slowdo >> could it wipe out the benefi bill? >> yes, it could. >> now, the chairman of the counsel of economi presid has et and kevin, good to see you. now, look, i know the presid point to some good
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statisti statis but gdp was revised down. just y and th labor department, the bls came out and said there has not been an inkrecrease in hour wage fls a year ag not in supervisory a decrea do the things concern you? >> well, the wage are some says that up a lot growing at 4% a year, but in first quarter gdp numbers, the 2% number was probably a 2.8 becaus there's this leftover season and the thing we have b looking for -- >> so you don't buy it. >> no, but something you an talked about before was that we expect a capital spending boone because of the tax cuts and the it was revised up in the first quarter and right now, people tat quarter north of 4%. i thin signs are that the tax cuts are working as we had hoped and the president
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mentio today more than six millio people have received pay increa bonuses or pay increases and the those, we're the data guys. the average was 1,2$1,200 that'sst that's re we expected the $4 number we talked about in th happen over three an the fact we've millio getting 1200 shows cuts are working. >> so you say iing if you looking at three t frs th putting it, you think you're a of schedu >> capital spending is ahead of schedu we're ahead. >> so when you look at the six millio or so people getting bonuses, which you and your talking points today, something you thin that the tax cuts are working. i compared it to the workforce. that's only about 4% of people in this country who work. who got any of those bonuses. >> that looks total ly differen
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than oh the tax cu >> rig but the employment cost i best measur when i worked for alan greenspan at the fed, it was the thing he most r the nominal increa out if continues at this pace for this year, is at a 4% increa usually, economists who lo at wages like to look at the nominal wag the wh when you're doing high frequency analysis. then you're divided by inflation and you have two noisy things. if you divide by i noisy. if you look at the employment cost index, it's acceleratin up to 4% i think that though we hav to keep in mind capital spendi takes a while to accumulate to enou that's why we thin number is somethin likely the final point ab number is is looki the, the 6 million president referred those six million got more than 1200 got less and
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they gave $2 increase to their lowest paid worker the minimum wage worker and that is $4,000 about for a a full time workerover the yea if the paid guy at walmart is getting $4,000, that's the sign th workin so why polls not show snit there's a new poll that shows 44% of approved of the tax plan in january. when we had just s about these bonuses. that w 40% in april. now down to 34. if you're saying look, all these people are getting bonuses and raises and this is so great. why ar saying the opposi i don't agree with that. i think we could h polls. look at business sentim or consumer sentiment, those are at all t and again, in the reason we care about sentiment is is because it tells us what people are going to do. when people are in a bad mood, that means they think they're going to lose their job. they m consume and that's bad for our forecast and
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gdp and for r thei wages. so peo are in a good enough mood that we're looking at growth north of 4% in the second quarter, which sho year a which you might recall people said was impossible. >> so "the new york times" report this month there was a report from your counsel. the conclusion was the presid tariffs are going to hurt this country econom on camera though, you have obviously defend the tariffs. do you tariffs hurt or help the u.s. economy? >> well first, i c or deny that repor report was a 80, report that "the new yo times" report was that may or may no my job is to advise the president and thatvice for it to be truthful needs to be protec by executiv privileg privil the president and all economdwrgree about the long run ob is it's to get the raid deals to
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be more fair. to get r tariffs down to our levels they might disagre tactic but in the long run, everyb shares the same object >> when it cops to r tariffs, you th they hurt. you wa them down. your view is tariffs are not good. >> there was an oecd report that just came out where they analyz what happens if the rest of the world pursues donald trump' vision and puts their tariffs at the sam u.s. o they found global gdp would go up. i thin that report captures the consen of economics profes and again my job at the cea is to you know, be the person the consen shares it with people as they thi b about drn sxwl y if donald trump gets his way and everybody else raises tariffs, too, that's good? >> no, no, donald arguin you remembe at the g-7, he said he wa everybody
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to go to zero. but he's clearly in a negoti and the point is the object is to make fair deals that drive tariffs the simula show ifs you do that, you get higher growth and i agree with that. >> so before we go, i want to ask yo accord watchdog group, crew, approved three trademarks related trump and her busi june 7th. the same day president trump agreed to lift sanctions against zte, the chinese telecom company many democrats and republicans believ is an urgent and seriou national security unitedstates. can you say definitivel that the trump administration actions on zte had absolutely nothing to do with ivanka trump's busine >> you know, i hav involv zte discussions. in any of ivanka's businesses. but i have a hard time imagin the corruption tha discus seems impossible to me knowing the people involved.
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news. presid just now offeri up a rare statement of suppor journalists many the wake of the shooting that left five journalists dead in the "capit news room dead. here he is moments ago aboard air fo one. >> will you be evaluating the press -- >> it's just nottalk iing about. obviou the press has treated me badly, but i'm a president. who is they didn't treat me badly enough. look, you know, i the of respect for tremen some of the greatest people i know are reporters and people in the media. but you also have like anything else, people that are not fair. >> but if not fair, should not be targeted from violence. >> absolutely not. no, can't do that.
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that's terrible. >> a striking reversal given this i the president who has labele the press an enemy of the people. i want to bripg in first. steve cortez and maria, great to have you. maria, let me start with you. we've seen reporters getting heckle most recently. jim ac has unfortunately become the face of a will the of this because of th publiccnn. and he a rally in so carolina what happ acosta >> get out of here. >> i'm here to do >> what's going to happen is we're going to epd up with a civil war. we'you're going to hav shooti you ne tone it dow little zpl how much does that worry you? >> those are people attending a
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trump rally saying to jim acosta you're going to end up with p you ne down a little bit to the reporter. >> it's incredibly worrisome and it has been. since the first time donald trump insult ed the media since he has been the enemy of the s since he's been call iing them f and si he's been tweeting images of violence towards the media. and look, i'm glad that today he did not engage in all of that. i thin somebody got to him. and said please don't call today at lea today the media the enemy and he said right time t talk about it. but i think that you should put a ticker on the screen on cnn to count the hours until the moment when h calling the press the en of the state again or fake news again or specif reporters again and i bet yo it won't be long.
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>> as we wait, we're working on steve' audio, but i want to play about what he said. becaus my question b about tonight is is if t time, there's is there a good time to talk about it. he has called the press the enemy you ha horrific incident since 9/11 and if there isn't a better time to say i'm sorry for what i said or i d i don't know what be becaus what he sai let me play some o said including when he said of. here he is. >> enemy. the enemy of the people i call them. you kn you read the fake news. it's fake and disgraceful. those very dishonest people back there, the fake news. very dishonest. do you hear these liars? they a the most dishonest, corrup people. the most dishonest people. >> so, maria, is he to blame for the tone? >> yes.
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becaus i think the tone co from having tone is all about, is what labout. and this president has no idea how to be a leader and i think what i so troublesome is that many journalists and you know many of them, erin, i don't kno maybe you've gotten them, too, have gotten death threats. have gotten threats of violence from people because they hear what president trump is saying about them. and not only that, erin, but the president of the u the leader of the free world should not be acting this way. he sho be acting completely the opposite becau who ac dictat people who put journalists in jail. >> so steve cortez is with us on the phone. we had some audio issues. i just played the president saying the enemy of the people. the enemy of the people. i call them. pointi to the press at the back of some of hi calling them the d people
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liars. corrup does he need to stop this kind of lan >> look, i think -- [ inau i don' him taking on the press. by the way, it's import to have some histor context here. presid in the press have rarely gotten along. even the founders of our republic, thomas j the people institute d the idea of a free press in amendm thing that's believable in the newspa is the advertisements. so there's a very long history. >> that's true. >> of a very adversarial relati and in some ways, that's okay for the republic. what i about president trump though in particular, if you look at this white house briefi room now and i know most of these people. when i talk to them, they cannot stand, they detest and i it comes through in the reporting. you don't take my word r for it. if you twitter
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feeds of most of t qulam to be report pundit i'm not a journalist. i'm a pundit. i have a point of view. they report to be reporters, but p you look their twit r, you'll find a consistent criticism of the president. rarely even a annuineutral comm >> her never something that's actually positive. said so many things about including the enemy of the people. i call them. that is not just an adversarial relati that every president has wher the press is saying negative things about you because you're the person in power and their job is to fact che the people. doesn' bother you? >> again, i think that phrase is a bit over the top. i do. but i also believe that the media has unfortunately time and again proven itself to be the enemy of truth and if you're the enemy of truth, you're the enemy of people. people like brian ross at abc news. he had a report, it was wrong. he was suspend ed for mobt m
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and it that's way it shou >> yes exactl >> the didn't cove it up and try to hide it and try to preten it was true. that did not happe >> i c there so many mistakes they h to correct. time magazine saying the martin luther king bust was moved. puttin this crying girl photo shoppe on a cover that was not separa from her parents why is mistake in favor of the presi >> you news to those examples. >>yeah. you know, it's ironic that steve talks the enemy of truth when this president doesn't know the meaning of the and has lied time and time again. and pr that's why he doesn' hates the covera frankly pau ll because we has found is that reporters in doing are actuall callin out this president for those which is their job is thetruth. that is objective. and that is something that --
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>> how about today when he said it was biggest tax cut in histor. it's f use whatever words steve, happens always time. how ab when he said north korea destroyed four nuclear sites. i can do on and on >> they're countle you knit. >> maybe you would say they're just mistakes. but th they're fal >> it should be the job of the press. if you look at the white house briefing room, you won't see that. people who purport to being reporters and in fact the opposition. decided their job is to obstruct president trump at times even the cost of the truth. in big ways and small ways. some of it is extremely consequential. well, it turned out, jim comey actually in fact reaffirm what the president said.
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so some of them are extremely consequential and some of them silly things. for instance washington post who tweeted out the picture of the rally who said the stadium was empty. in big and small ways, the particularly that white house briefing room has proven itself to be both dishonest and highly adversarial to the president and never reporting to the good things. >> i've got to leave this there. we are out of time. when you say he is wrong about the tax cuts being the big -- >> the lies are plenty from the president. >> thank you very much. killing five people,
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according to a 2013 police report, the suspect was investigated for harassment and quote the future possibility of violent criminal act. the officer who took that report said he did not believe mrmr. mr. ramos was a threat. barricading the doors in the news room so no one can escape. an attorney for the gazette, i appreciate your time. this lawsuit was filed back in 2012 when ramos was harassing the paper. you were involved with all of this. what was actually happening at that time? >> well, at the time, we received the suit, he just seemed very upset about the way that he had been portrayed if a news story that i ran in believe 20 2011 and it seemed like another
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plaintiff bringing a complaint to the paper. there was rambling to it. difficult to figure out what he was saying. but at the time i don't think anyone thought anything of it. another angry lawsuit. >> and in your view, i guess, you know, representing them at the time, were there others who had this sort of anger or, you know, hate against the paper or did this particular case stand out? >> so i only represented "the gazette," to which particular case. >> was there incident with ramos that concerned you the most? something specific that stood out to you. >> as the case went on, i became aware that mr. ramos was obsessed that he had been wronged by the paper. and those people who got added
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to his enemy list. every morning i would walk into my office and check out his twitter feed. it was rare for a week to go by that he didn't lash out on that twitter feed. and the more people told him he was wrong, the more judges came out against him, he would just add the judges to the list and tweeting against him. >> because there were so many on the list, do you think people took it less seriously. i am not implying that it wasn't serious, but something horrific ended up happening and nobody expected that day to come, did they? >> i can tell you when your name pops up on your list, it grabs your attention, so i don't think the bulk or the sheer number of
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the people made people take it less seriously. >> editor said he called police back in 2013 about ramos and today people spoke about that call. >> the detective spoke with legal council for "the capital gazette," than that conference call. they did not wish to pursue charges. there was a fear that it would exacerbate an already flammable situation. >> whose decision was that? >> that was actually not part of my responsibilities. i worked on a team of attorneys and it was other attorneys that took the lead on that particular
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aspect of the case. >> were you surprised that the reporting that came out, is he obviously barricaded and wanted to kill as many people as he could. this horrible tragedy still occurred and nobody seemed to recognize him even though of course given what you are saying, plenty of people were familiar with his terrifying threats. >> i am going to say this. i was surprised yesterday not that jarrod ramos walked into the capital gazette and opened fire. he stopped tweeting against his enemies. we didn't, i just lost track of him. and i assumed he had moved on. every time someone made him angry, he would focus his anger
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on that person. so almost five years later for him to do something like this, that was surprising to me. because i am not surprised that people didn't recognize him five years later. as far as i knew had stopped harassing him. >> you would think so much time had passed. so horrific to think that he was sitting there preparing something like this. zak, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> a deeper look at the prison crisis. united states has the highest incarceration rate. >> i am here because i owe $545 to domestics. my case is being closed but i lost my job before i could pay the last payment and i am here for six months now. >> i spoke with senator cory booker an outspoken advocate and
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asked him about women like this in prison. >> dramatically less violent than men and growing 50% faster than men. one out of three incarcerated -- it is stunning. and who we incarcerate as you were just showing, the people who we incarcerate is ridiculous. overwhelmingly low income people. drug addicted, mentally ill, minorities. this is a shameful aspect of our country. >> senator, the white house senior advisor jared kushner is at the forefront. his father spent more than a year in prison for illegal campaign donations, he went to prison. you know kushner, and you are
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from the same state. an issue you both care about. i know you do not partly because it does not include sentencing reform which is a controversial part of it. here is what kushner said specifically about this issue. >> they have been trying to do that at the federal level for eight years, sentencing reform and prison reform and what they have done is done nothing. >> done nothing, what is your response to that? >> he is not telling the whole truth. if our bill went to the floor of the senate, it would get 60 plus votes. if trump and jeff sessions, if this administration said we are going to stand by the senate bill, you would get a vote on the senate bill and get it through the house. they are the ones that are bh
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blocking it. jared needs to take those comments and turn it back on his father-in-law and turn it back to jeff sessions. this they were willing to support more comprehensive criminal justice reform, it would move through the united states congress. >> don't miss it. and anderson starts now. good evening, thanks for joining us, i am john berman. breaking news. a decision that would send america for generations coming soon. president trump said he will announce his pick to replace justice anthony kennedy monday july 9. narrowed his list down to five candidates including two women. he will interview some of those candidates this weekend at


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