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and water, just to get the boys going again. last night, after the british guys pulled out, more -- four more navy s.e.a.l.s went in with a doctor and a nurse to check out the boys and see how good they are. they'll are to ascertain whether they have the strength to do the journey out. that's why they want the water to go down so they can physically carry the boys out. erin? >> mark, thank you very much. and thanks to all of you for joining us. anderson is next. so is the man who once said he would take a bullet for donald trump changing his tune? warming up his vocal chords. and in case that mixed metaphor is not clear enough, is michael cohen getting ready to seen? john berman in for anderson. he wants to declare his loyalty and allegiance to the president with the kind of swagger sammy brad vlad doe wants to display for his boss, until he flipped.
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if you think an enforcer is unfair, that's the image mr. cohen cultivated for himself. if somebody does something mr. trump doesn't like, he once said, i'm going to come at you, grab you by the neck, and i'm not going let you go until i'm finished. today, however, under federal investigation in southern district of new york, former trump's personal attorney, ray donovan, his loyal lieutenant sometimes have other higher priorities. >> my wife, my daughter, and my son have my first loyalty and always will. i put family and country first. >> and that's not all he told abc's george stephanopoulos over the weekend. the interview, as you heard there was off camera but on the record. is he saying he is ready to cooperate, or fishing for a pardon on charges which we should point out here, he has yet to face? we'll talk about it shortly with our legal panel, including former nixon white house council john dean who did cooperate with federal investigators. first, though, the other hints
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he offered. also, keeping him honest, how some of what michael cohen said contradicts some of what the president said, such as this shortly after the fbi raided cohen's home, office and hotel rooms. >> so i just heard that they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys, a good man, and it's a disgraceful situation. it's a total witch-hunt. it's an attack on our country in a true sense. it's an attack on what we all stand for. >> a day later, the president tweeted this. attorney-client privilege is dead. now here is what cohen told george stephanopoulos. >> he said i don't agree with those who demonize orrvillify the fbi. i respect the fbi as an institution as well as their agency. >> he said they were courteous, polite, came with warrants, did not break, in and afterwards he
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shook their hands. cohen also spoke about the money he paid to buy stormy daniels' silence, which the president said this about. >> mr. president, did you know about the $130,000 payments to stormy daniels? >> no, no. >> then why did michael cohen make them? >> well, you'll have to ask michael cohen. michael is my attorney, and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got the money to pay that? >> no. >> i don't know. >> when asked whether the president in fact directed him to make the payoff, michael cohen would only offer his nondenial. i want to answer one day. i will answer, be i can't comment now on the advice of my council. he also declined a comment when asked whether candidate trump knew in advance about the trump tower meeting with the russians. he called it poor judgment on the campaign's part but neither confirmed nor denied the president's knowledge of it. a far cry from april when he
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tweeted this. a person who deserves my loyalty receives it. i will always protect our potus, donald trump. he has not tweeted about michael cohen for nearly two months. he did not talk about him in a press turbulent today with the dutch prime minister. however, his name did come up with the white house. jeff zeleny. he pushed him off to the president's outside counsel. what's your sense about how concern the president and his allies might be tonight about cohen? >> john, there is no question that the white house and the president's allies certainly would have been more relieved if michael cohen had told george stephanopoulos that i put my family, the country and my president first, but he did not say i put my president first. he said i put my family and country first. so there was a sense here. now this is more than 12 hours later, a sense of what is michael cohen exactly up to, what exactly is he doing? why did he do the interview with george stephanopoulos over the weekend. you saw the picture there's of
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george there in short sleeves, talking to michael cohen, clearly trying to send a message to the white house here. the question is what is that message? is he about on the verge of cooperating with the feds? is he looking for a pardon? we don't know the answer to that question. but the white house press secretary today sarah sanders not surprisingly not answering any of those questions. they've routinely been dismissing all of them to outside lawyers. it is still a very big question here as sunsets in washington, what was michael cohen up to? >> so, jeff, the president is always known to watch and react to the news. how telling it will be, frankly, if he does not react to the cohen interview? >> john, i think it will be pretty extraordinary because up al nhl now, again, more than 12 hours after that interview aired, we have heard nothing from the president, not speaking out loud, not on twitter, not through his allies or associates. and it is keeping with that pattern. you said it's been two months since he talked about michael cohen. there is no one who is closer to this president save for some
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family members who work here at the white house. so the president clearly seems to be to me following the advice of lawyers or advisers in keeping his mouth shut, basically, on this front. we'll see if he keeps that up or if he tweets overnight or in the morning. but as of now, john, i think that silence is telling. the question is what is it telling us? we don't know the answer to that yet. >> don't poke the bear, legally speaking. jeff zeleny, thank you so much. >> sure. >> one other possible telling item arounding michael cohen's conversation, the joint legal defense agreement he shares with the president will end this week as his new lead counsel takes charge. cohen told george stephanopoulos he will rely on his advice in deciding whether or not to cooperate with the federal government. joining our team john dean and carrie cordero. you heard michael cohen say -- also what he did not safe. cohen putting his family first, but made no mention of loyalty to the president.
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you, of course, famously flipped on richard nixon during watergate. what's your read on what's going on here? is this a signal to the federal prosecutor? a signal to the president or both? >> i don't think it's both. i think he has an audience of one, really, and the way he did it in particular, and that is for trump. he floated this publicly so trump would know he is serious, where his thinking might be going. he doesn't talk to trump anymore. he doesn't really have any close links anymore. so this is a very public way to do it. you've got to also realize the fact that it was not on camera and wasn't recorded means it's pure hearsay. it's pure quoting of what he did or did not say. his lawyer or himself decided they didn't want a hard record of this public statement either. >> carrie, do you think this will have any effect on how prosecutors deal with cohen? >> well, it's interesting, john, because really, if michael
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cohen, the only thing he was after is cooperating with the government, then doing this very publicly actually is not quite the way to go about it. if all he was interested in was cooperating, then the way to do that would be to go through the channel of his lawyer quietly, directly talking to the prosecutors and the agents, telling them what information of value he has to offer, and then they would make a decision as to whether or not that's worth cutting some kind of deal or giving him some kind of leniency or listening to what it is he has to say. so it does seem like there is some ulterior motive other than just cooperating with the government. >> and, john, would that ulterior motive be either getting the president to pay his legal bills, or would it be perhaps some kind of preemptive pardon? >> it could be either. theoretically, a president could pardon before even an offense is charged in this instance. he can give that kind of blanket immunity. the pardon is that broad.
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also theoretically, he could pay the legal expenses. that gets a little closer to obstruction and some serious problems. but, you know, i think he is fishing and floating at this point. i think his experienced defense attorney will just pick up the phone when he is ready to cooperate and talk to his former colleagues in the southern district. >> one thing that's not fishing or quoting but is a concrete fact here, carrie, is the joint agreement between michael cohen's representation and the president's legal team will end this week that happened also before michael flynn copped a plea. what does that tell you here? >> well, i think the big question with michael cohen is, first, what criminal penalties is he actually going to be facing, what kind of legal jeopardy is he in that would motive him to cooperate in some substantial way? and then the second major question is what does he know that would be of value to the government? so there is questions about he wasn't in the campaign, does he
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really know things that would important to the russia investigation? we don't know. is there some other aspect of the government's investigation? for example, that we don't know about publicly yet. for example, is there some inquiry into trump organization finances? if there is, that seems like something to me that michael cohen would be knowledgeable about and could potentially provide information about. so there is just big questions about what exposure he has and what information of value he has to offer. >> sure. but severing ties with the president's legal team is a significant step, correct? >> it sure is. what's clear, clearly through his public statements is that michael cohen's interests are now his own. that he is saying publicly where he is decoupling his interests that was previously aligned with the president for whatever reason that was, and now he is own -- he is acting in his own interests. >> and john, i just want to read you one of the things he said here, because you a unique experience, having lived through -- i don't want the say
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something similar, but having lived through your own story here. michael cohen says i will not be a punching bag as a part of anyone's defense strategy. i'm not a villain of this story, and i will not allow others to try to depict me that way. what did you hear? >> i heard him sending a message to the trump people and those around him. i did something very similar at one time. i didn't talk to the press a lot, but i at one point did dictate a message to my secretary to read to "the washington post" and the ap, and that was if they decided to pick me as a scapegoat, they had the wrong person. but that's a whole other story from the time. >> if -- how do you think the white house should read that message then, from michael cohen? >> very much as we're saying, that he is sending the message that he is now his own man, that he is not going to play for the president. he's going to look at what's best in his interests, and the president might be able to do something for him that's in that interest, or the prosecutors might. wait until the charges and then make a decision. >> an unusual moment, to say the
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the north korean delegation, and secretary pompeo, as i just mentioned, will be headed to north korea later this week, and we're going to continue those conversations. >> she would not elaborate on the conversations or the progress. joining us now, cnn global affairs analyst max boot, and cnn military and diplomatic analyst john kirby. max, i want to start with you here. this assessment is coming from the defense intelligence agency. this is the u.s. government saying it believes north korea has no intention of full denuclearization. should this really come as a surprise? >> it's absolutely not a surprise to anybody who knows the first thing about north korea. there was never any indication that north korea was planning to denuclearization. the only surprise here is that donald trump was credulous enough to believe kim jong-un's empty assurances that he would work towards the quote/unquote complete denuclearization of the korean peninsula, which is the same thing that the north koreans have been saying since at least 1992. there was never any substance to this empty promise, and yet
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donald trump believed that. it's pretty interesting to me that it seems there are a lot of people in the u.s. government who are now eager to leak these top secret intelligence assessments, i would assume because they're worried that otherwise trump would bury the evidence of north korea cheating. they clearly want this out in the open so people will know how the united states was santa ana windled and continues to be swindled, as long as the trump administration pretends that they're still making real progress. >> and according to "the washington post," their reporting sheer that the north koreans are considering ways to conceal the number of weapons and facilities it has, believing the u.s. just doesn't know the full range of their activities. obviously getting that count, getting that baseline is so key in the process toward denuclearization. so how do you read this on the heels of the summit? >> yeah, i think to follow up on max's point, you can not trust them. this is the playbook. this is what they have done in the past. they will not be transparent about this. that's why the regimen, the
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verification inspection regimen has to be as stringent as it possibly can. and you have to expect them to cheat and to try to conceal things going forward. look, it's the nuclear and ballistic missile program that got trump to the table. kim thinks it's vital for his regime's survival. there is no way he is going to give that up, and no way he is going to give it up easily or quickly, and he is going to want to preserve as much capability throughout these negotiations all the way to the end as he possibly can. >> what do you make of the leaks, admiral? >> i'm troubled by them, but i agree with max. i think that these leaks are coming from the intelligence community because they are trying to draw -- show a bright light on the fact that trump was too naive and that the north koreans aren't negotiating in good faith right now. i do think as troubling as they are, i do think that pompeo can use it maybe to his advantage when he goes is there this week and make it so that kit be clear to the north koreans that we know what you're up to, we're watching it very, very closely,
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we're not going to be fooled. let's start down a path to trying to actually get to some details here. >> what do you think, max, that we will see from the secretary of state when he goes to pyongyang? >> well, that's the big question. it's pretty interesting that donald trump has not actually reacted personally to this information about north korea cheating. i assume he is holding off on that, waiting to see what pompeo finds out in north korea. this can go one two of ways. one, kim is offer more empty assurances to pompeo, and pompeo can either accept them or not. the other way kit go is if kim shows that he is serious about denuclearization, which i think is unlikely, but if he is serious, he will make a complete declaration of their entire nuclear program, including secret facilities which they have not declared to date. and depending what happens in pyongyang, we'll what donald trump's reaction, whether he is going to basically continue to assist in this con job that kim jong-un is carrying out in the hopes of winning a nobel peace
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prize, or whether the other possibility which is just as disturbing is he may decide he has been fleeced, fly off the handle and react very violently. that's what we have to stay tuned for. >> you have been at the podium faced with this mounting evidence, leaks from the defense intelligence agencies, the "washington post" reporting separate things, the washington journal had a cutout this last week. how can you continue to say that the process is moving forward? it does put the administration in a real bind here. >> it does. it's a tough place for any spokesman to be. i suppose you could logically say that yes, the talks are movinged for washed because he is traveling there. you can say it's moving forward, and you don't want to give away the inside discussions that are happening. but you have to understand how long it's going to take, how difficult it's going to be, and because there is no trust between our two countries, that i have to start building some sort of confidence-building measures in place that are transparent, as transparent as possible so that when sarah
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sanders gets up there the next time she can point to something tangible rather than just say it's going forward. >> max, doesn't north korea want to string this along? wouldn't it be against their interests to show the president up in a major way? shouldn't they or wouldn't they in your mind give him something he can hang his hat on? >> yes, absolutely. and i was surprise they'd did not make greater concessions in singapore. i'm also surprised that they continued increasing their nuclear and missile capability so blatantly. i assume because they were probably not aware of the extent of the u.s. collection capabilities. so they were surprised that we caught them. yes, both kim and trump have a mutual interest here in stringing the public along because kim, of course, wants to avoid a violent blowback from trump. he doesn't want a u.s. military strike. he wants to see sanctions continue to be relaxed as they are today. he wants to collect legitimacy on the world stage that trump has given him. trump also has an interest in stringing the public along because he wants everybody to
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think this was in fact a highly successful deal instead of a santa ana wind until which he was the mark. >> max boot, admiral kirby, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. coming up, as anger grows over the trump administration's immigration policy, calls to abolish i.c.e., not just from protests but prominent democratic lawmakers. it's something the president is all too happy to tweet about. there's little rest for a single dad, and back pain made it hard to sleep and get up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid, plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.
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the wake of the trump administration's enforcement of a zero tolerance policy for illegal immigration which led to kids being separated from their parents, again, the government separated children from their parents and still has not
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reunited those children from their -- with their parents. a growing number of democrats are calling to abolish or overhaul i.c.e., the immigration and customs enforcement agency. a congressman will introduce legislation to dismantle i.c.e. which he says is tearing families apart and ripping apart the fabric of our nation. here is what elizabeth warren said over the weekend. >> we need to rebuild our immigration system from top to bottom, starting by replacing i.c.e. with something that reflects our morality and -- [ cheering ] >> lots to get in with cnn political director david chalian and ryan lizza. we heard it from elizabeth warren. we heard it from candidates for congress. we've heard it from kirsten gillibrand now, there are democrats, more and more, though not a wave, calling to abolish i.c.e. how do you see it? >> certainly not a wave there are many more democrats who have
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not taken this position than have. but you are right to note it is growing. and a lot of this, of course, grows out of that congressional primary in new york last weekend where it got sort of super charged as an issue because alexandria ocasio cortez who defeated john crowley, this is one of her policy position. this is something that has been building in the progressive community, the immigration form advocates that are part of the fuel of the democratic base energy right now. so that's why i think you're starting to see some of these democratic politician, especially those that are looking to the 2020 presidential race see where the energy is in the base of the party and think they need to move there if they're going to be right with the base. >> and, ryan, obviously, the white house has responded very quickly to this, the president was practically gleeful over the weekend. in what we saw this afternoon was a little bit remarkable, and some people see it as troubling. from the official white house
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twitter account, attacks on senators kamala harris and senators elizabeth warren accusing them of supporting ms-13 gang members and criminals, which is not true. but you queue see how the republicans are using this and the white house is using this because of their opposition to i.c.e., wanting to create a new system to enforce the border. they say they're supporting ms-13. >> yeah, you can see how easily it can be for the white house if it wants to be completely irresponsible with the facts to demagogue the issue. and look, this is a new issue for most democrats. and i think you've seen a lot of confusion among older democratic elected officials over how to approach it. you know, i think there are a lot of more conservative politician who are scared of this, because they see this, oh, this is sort of a security issue, we're going to get hammered. and i think on the left, the argument is, look, you have to widen the window of debate on
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some of these issues, and you have to push as far as you can, otherwise you'll never get anywhere. if we were sitting here three years ago, look at donald trump and the effort to build the wall. so many pundits thought that was a ridiculous idea. he is going to lose presidential election if he runs on this -- on that. and that didn't happen. so i think we have to be very -- exercise a certain amount of humility when looking at this in terms of how it plays politically. it's not really clear to me at this point whether it's a good or a bad issue for democrats. i do know that democrats who believe in abolishing ice, it would probably benefit them to explain it clearly, right? and for them to understand that what they're opposed to is this essentially what the deportation force that is going into communities, ripping families apart, and stems from donald trump's executive order that he signed early in 2017 saying
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i.c.e. is no longer going to go after just criminals, but anyone who is here and is undocumented. that's a big change, and it's having a profound effect in communities across the country. >> but being against i.c.e. or wanting to abolish ice doesn't mean being for open borders. but david, you know there are democrats who are uncomfortable even saying that sentence. well heard from amy klobuchar and senator duckworth. senator duckworth told jake yesterday you can't win the white house without the midwest, and you can't win the midwest if you go too far left. that's pretty far down the line. right now many democrats are thinking we have to win primaries. >> you mentioned those two there. the congressional democratic caucus has put out talking points on this, suggesting that abolishing i.c.e. may not be the policy prescription that makes most sense. many democrats are concerned as ryan is saying. unclear what the politics will be here and how it will play out. it is clear to me that the republicans have an easier
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bumper sticker attack, factually or not to make here, which i think is the concern among democrats than explanatory, this is what we mean and this is what needs to be replaced. that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker. that's why i think it's potentially politically treacherous terrain for democrats, but as ryan pointed out about the well or the muslim ban, we're in an era, john, where perhaps base politics has more of driver to electoral outcome than we've seen before in modern political history. >> and just over the last few weeks in the quinnipiac poll, the democrats have picked up significant ground on the issue of immigration. we'll see if that continues throughout the summer. ryan lizza, david chalian, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> sure. breaking news. cnn has just learned the names of four potential supreme court nominees that the president spoke with today. we will give you their names and talk about the impact of any of them on the issue of abortion going forward. hais not always easy. severe plaque psoriasis it's a long-distance run
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she pushedwell as the house. she pushed back, and she is not afraid to stand up. and she is pro-choice to be sure, and she has a very strong
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voting record. it does seem here she is getting assurances, oh, oh, this isn't about roe v. wade, but again, all 25 people on the list seem pretty committed. >> yeah, there are payments at the time were a very big issue, but at the moment, the tax credits are sufficient. it's less of an issue. yeah, you're right. i don't think she was treated as fairly as she should have been, given her vote. but the point is i think that the market is more or less stabilized since that time. but don't count her out. she is going to do -- she is not afraid to go against the tide. >> i will note again, we just read that list of the four judges that were interviewed by the president today. amy coney barrett is on that list of people the president has spoken with, joan larsen another name. two women the president said he is speaking to. how do you think if he nominated
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a woman that would affect the dynamic in the confirmation process? >> well, often times those who support abortion rights will say those who oppose abortion rights are somehow anti-woman. so it's hard to do that when a woman is nominated, particularly one who may be well qualified, but may be pro-life or anti-choice, depending on your perspective. i think it's really harder to demonize a woman nominee based on that one issue. so i think if the president were playing smart politics here, he would probably nominate a woman just to try to mitigate some of the damage on the abortion issue. >> as i let you go, congressman dent, i just want to remind people more than six in ten voters agree with the roe v. wade opinion. however, a majority of republicans disagree. thank you so much. great to have you with us as well. time to check with chris cuomo to see what's coming up on "cuomo primetime". >> good interview, jd. people should do their own
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research. but the cost sharing. we've have a lot of trouble coming on in insurance. we're going to be talking tonight about policy and politics, my brother. on the politics side, you've got the michael cohen intrigue. why is he giving these interviews? who is his audience? is it just an audience of one? and what message is see sending? is trump responsible for this? not on the legal side, but on the personal side. has he mishandled it? anthony scaramucci knows a little bit about being mishandled when it comes to the administration. he is going to talk to us about that and other topics you. saw the poll. the pew pole about people wanting to vote on immigration as the top issue instead of the economy. what a weird turn of fate for this president. we'll take that on. >> democrats getting some back wind on that for now. will it last? chris cuomo, great to see you. up next, a cnn exclusive. a whistle-blower claims that scott pruitt and his staff kept
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tonight a cnn exclusive. epa administrator scott pruitt kept secret calendars to hide controversial meetings from the public. that's according to an epa whistle-blower who says pruitt also directed his staff to scrub his official schedule. pruitt is also the subject of 14 different probes into alleged ethical violations. as cnn's senior investigative correspondent drew griffin explains, if the whistle-blower violations are true, pruitt may have violated federal law. this epa whistle-blower says scott pruitt and his staff kept secret calendars or schedules, detailing many meetings with industry representatives that have never been made public. according to pruitt's former
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chief of staff, a secret calendar containing the actual events was printed out, then staff would gather around a table, determine which events would be kept on, which would be kept off, and which would be altered. he says it was often done in pry wit's office and under pruitt's direction. >> scrubbed? >> scrubbed, yes, sir. >> reporter: of the official epa administrator's schedule? >> yes. which happened quite a bit. >> reporter: cnn found more than two dozen meetings, events or calls left off pruitt's publicly released calendar which is only released weeks after the events occur. what's missing? meetings with energy officials, lawyers, washington insiders who could potentially benefit from a friendlier epa. so he would meet with industry lobbyists, somebody from industry itself and decide later that was not going to look good so let's scrub it off the kalder? >> sometimes later, even before, we would put on the scheduled
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meeting with staff. the default butt con was meeting with staff. >> want some examples? internal e-mails show in april 2017, pruitt has a briefing and attends a dinner at trump international hotel with coal company viv joseph kraft. it is not listed on the public epa calendar. september 2017. the official schedule shows pruitt met with former senator turned energy lobbyist trent lo . but left off that the meeting included the ceo of a shipping company and the discussion of ships and their fuel source. in october 2017, a staff briefing appeared on pruitt's official calendar. e-mails show the actual meeting was with private attorneys representing a water district over a superfund site. >> we had at one point three different schedules. one of them was one that no one else saw besides three or four of us. >> reporter: two government experts tell cnn altering,
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sanitizing official government records to protect the boss could lead to legal trouble. >> if somebody changed, deleted, scrubbed a federal record with the intent of deceiving the public or intent of deceiving anybody, it could very well be a violation of federal law. >> reporter: the most controversial deletion of all, came after pruitt's $120,000 taxpayer-funded trip to rome in june 2017. that trip included extensive interaction with catholic cardinal george fell, who was charged with multiple historical charges of sexual offenses a few weeks later, to which pell pleaded not guilty. but this itinerary shows a tour with cardinal pell. it's not on pruitt's official calendar. also missing, a lunch with card kne nal pell. >> all our time al the vatican was spent with cardinal pell. >> yet none of those dinners or
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lunches appeared later when scott pruitt released his calendar. he says that was intentional. >> once we came back and the cardinal was charged with these offenses, i alerted them, and that's when it was basically taken off the schedule that we met with cardinal pell. >> shem less ski says he was fired from the epa after raising questions about scott pruitt's extravagant spending. he supports donald trump and donald trump's pledge to drain the swamp. he says keeping pruitt at epa makes no sense. >> if there's something wrong, i don't care if it's republican or democrat, right's right and wrong's wrong. and what he's doing right now is completely wrong. >> drew griffin joins me now. these are serious new allegations for an administrator already facing a lot in washington? >> despite the fact we are talking about potential federal crimes, neither pruitt or anyone in his office has responded at all. we've reached out multiple
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times, but this epa administrator and his communications officers are just choosing not to respond. john? >> i want to stay on this. this is peculiar to say the least. thanks so much. up next, breaking news on the kids found alive deep inside a flooded cave and the danger they still face. ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪ so let's promote our summer travel deal on like this. surfs up. earn a $50 gift card when you stay just twice this summer. or, badda book. badda boom.
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dr. scholl's. born to move. more breaking news. after nine days of searching through dark flooded caves, all 12 missing thai soccer players and their coach have been found alive. this video shows the moment the thai navy s.e.a.l.s finally located them, but their ordeal is far from over. this shows you what rescuers are up against. tight tight tight crevices. it could take four months because the will have to be trained how to dive. an mar, what do you expect is happening now? what are the rescuers trying to determine now that they know where this soccer team is? >> right now they're trying to figure out their options for either evacuating them immediately via diving or whether or not they can allow them to shelter in place until such time that the conditions are safer. >> out of all the options you believe to be available, which do you think is most ideal, and
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what's the most dangerous? >> diving them out is hands down the most dangerous unless they're in a location in the cave where the water could come up and is no longer safe. if they are in a location in the cave where it's safe for them to shelter in place, then the safest option is to provide them with supplies and wait until either the water goes down or a new entrance can be made or found. the biggest challenge that they're immediately facing, though, is the fact that these kids and their coach have been without food for nine days, and that means that we can't just give them food. they have to be reintroduced to food very carefully because just providing them with food unto itself could kill them. there's something we call the refeeding syndrome for people who have been without food for an extended period of time. >> can you get the kind of medical care you need to get to them while they're still trapped in that cave? >> most likely. it's not a complicated situation as far as the refeeding process,
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and my understanding is that of course the u.s. military has sent divers as well as the thai s.e.a.l. team. my guess would be that they would actually have experienced medical personnel available to them. >> what is the most dangerous part? you say that actually diving to get them out could be the most dangerous path available here. what makes that so dangerous? does it put the divers at risk themselves? >> it can put the divers at risk. the biggest risk is actually to the kids themselves. cave diving is an incredibly dangerous activity for people who are very experienced doing it, and now you're looking at taking people who have no experience or very little experience with diving and putting them into a complete blackout situation where they have to rely on the regulator and the tanks with them to breathe. and losing that regulator even for a minute or two could be fatal. >> it's not just a matter of swimming out because i am sure that's what those members of that soccer team and the coach are thinking right now. they're thinking the rescuers got here. we can just go out with them. >> my guess is that they know
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what they went through, and if they went through some fairly tight places to get in, and now those tight places are completely submerged with water, i would hope they would understand it's not a simple matter of just swimming out. >> thanks so much for being with us. let's hope this goes well over the next few days. >> you're quite welcome. thanks for watching 360. time now to hand it over to chris cuomo and "cuomo prime time." thank you, j.b. i am chris cuomo. welcome to pro-pr"prime time." he once said he would take a bullet. now michael cohen signals his loyalty lies elsewhere. first up on the doctor, what is driving these cohen messages? meant for an audience of one? plus immigration as of now is the big issue for november in a new quinnipiac poll. that's what you voters are saying. the question is who wins on that? are the democrats bailing trump out from his kid-crushing on the border by calling to