Skip to main content

tv   CNN Newsroom With John Berman and Poppy Harlow  CNN  July 4, 2018 7:00am-8:00am PDT

7:00 am
by a weapon of mass destruction, according to the british government. so it has people here extremely concerned. the investigation is ongoing, and as you say, counterterrorism police are involved. >> we'll continue to watch for any more there. erin, appreciate it. thank you. the next hour of cnn ne "newsroom" begins right now. good morning. thanks for joining us, spending part of your independence day holiday with us. i'm erica hill in today for poppy. just days after president trump cast doubt on russia's meddling in the election here in the united states, a key senate panel publicly disagreeing. the republican-led senate intelligence committee says after nearly 16 months of its bipartisan investigation, it found extensive proof not only did moscow interfere in the 2016 race, but that it was done specifically because they wanted donald trump to win. cnn's sarah murray is live in washington. this report, too, not only goes against obviously what we've
7:01 am
heard for months from the president but it also contradicts the house report released earlier this year. >> right. that's what makes this so interesting. last january the intelligence agencies put out their conclusion that they believe russia meddled in the 2016 election and they did it with the goal of trying to help donald trump's presidential campaign and to hurt hillary clinton. both the senate and house intelligence committees dug into these findings to see if they agreed with the assessment. they said what the intelligence agencies concluded was sound, there was no political pressure to push analysts and researchers to reach that conclusion. when there were disagreements, any were debated and transparent. they basically agreed with the findings vladimir putin was trying to help donald trump in 2016. republicans on the house intelligence committee concluded there was "significant intelligence trade craft findings" when it came when the intelligence assessment that
7:02 am
putput putin did this to help trump. just last week trump tweeted russia continues to say they had nothing to do with meddling in our election. that may be the view of the president, but it is not the view of his own intelligence chiefs who say they also agree that russia meddled to help trump. >> we'll continue to see the reaction to that report throughout the day. meantime, i want to ask you about embattled fbi agent peter strzok who worked on the investigation. his lawyer says he may ignore a subpoena from the house? >> he a he subpoenais subpoenaen front of the house judiciary committee and his attorney cast doubt on whether he will show. listen to what he had to say. >> my client will testify publicly soon, somewhere, some time. we just got this subpoena today so i don't know whether or not we'll be testifying next tuesday
7:03 am
in front of these two particular house subcommittees. from our experience with the committee thus far, it is obvious that they don't want the truth. they don't want to hear what pete has to say. >> this calls in to question whether this controversial figure, strzok, is going to actually appear again in front of the house judiciary committee. he did already appear for 11 hours behind closed doors toance lawmakers answer lawmakers' questions. let's dig in deeper with a cnn legal analyst, as well as a cnn national security analyst. going back for a minute to the senate intel here and what we are learning from the senate intelligence committee in terms of these findings. they did point out here the committee heard consistently that analysts were under no politically motivated pressure to reach any conclusions. all analysts expressed they object to content levels as is normal and proper for the analytic process. is there anything we should read into that? >> i think they're pointing out that the ica, or intelligence
7:04 am
community assessment, was conducted appropriately and the only people that really disagree with that are president trump and some house republicans. there's been a lot of comparison between the house report that came out on this ica, and the senate report. we're comparing apples and oranges. the house committee report did not have democratic backing and was published solely by republicans which means, there wasn't consensus, which means that the house republicans did not take the time necessary to conduct all the relevant interviews, to review the thousands of pages of documents that were really necessary so determine at the end of the day whether the ica was appropriate. >> to your point from the very beginning, as we talked about both of these investigationses, the senate, because they were conducting it in a more bipartisan manner, can because we weren't hearing about it quite as often, that was given a little more credence in the run-up to these findings. but as we look at these findings, do they really have any teeth? what's the impact of this?
7:05 am
what actually comes from this report? >> i think it really should end any debate about whether or not the russians were behind the attack on our election. hopefully we can turn this into a more non-partisan issue because, frankly, a foreign adversary trying to interfere in our electoral process should be a non-partisan issue. i think as americans we should applaud the way that the senate committee, the senate intel committee, came together. you had senator burr, senator warner. doing this in a bipartisan fashion. you have a conclusion here that everyone can feel confident in. i real question is, how is this going to affect u.s. policy? we have a meeting between the president and vladimir putin coming up. will the united states protect ourselves against further attacks? will we take any action to try
7:06 am
to dissuade the russians from doing this again? we have electoral systems that were penetrated in the last election. we obviously have effort to try to deceive the american public by the russian government. that's serious stuff. and it is something we should come together as americans to fight. >> look, part of this is definitely going to stand out to people as they look at this, the varying degrees of competence levels between the different agencies, nsa, fbi, cia. is there anything that we should read into that thi think it is moderate high confidence, moderate confidence in terms of what they found? what's the difference in those terms? >> i don't think wreeshd ree sh into it. the senate committee, again a bipartisan committee, found that this was appropriate and that the judgment at the end of the day, vladimir putin did prefer president trump, was an appropriate judgment. it is worth noting that the senate actually's history of
7:07 am
bipartisanship when it comes to this issue? republicans/democrats aren't united on a lot of front these days. but the senate did vote 97-2 to pass sanctions against russia for their activities in the 2016 election, and they even voted 97-2 to enlarge nato whose primary enemy is russia. i think the senate has shown that when it comes to russia's interference in 2016, russia's ongoing interference, that they are willing to come together on this. >> they are even speaking out on it. some republicans in russia right now, among them senator john kennedy, talking about how -- how russia did meddle. interesting to see if the president will take a listen to that ahead of his meeting. before we let you go, i want your take on what we're seeing in terms of peter strzok and the fact we are hearing from his attorney. he may just ignore this subpoena all together. he said from the beginning he wants this testimony to be public. what are the ramifications if he does in fact decide to ignore that subpoena? >> well, he has a fifth
7:08 am
amendment right obviously not to testify if he wants to. he also could try to jeer them to enforce this subpoena in court. he could be held in contempt of congress if he just ignores it, but they'll have to try to enforce that. ultimately, i think his attorney's expressing frustration because the man testified for many hours and offered presumably detailed explanations of these tweets and what happened was, there was a lot of leaks from the republican side but they refused to release the transcript. i think all of us just with some common sense know that the transcript was helpful to the president and the house republicans, that they would have released it. but presumably it wasn't so they cherry-picked some parts. i'm sure it is frustrating to represent a client who is not being treated fairly. i think if you testify, you generally want the full story to come out. >> appreciate you both joining us.
7:09 am
happy fourth. more troubles for embattled epa chief scott pruitt. pruitt's job security may be inching forward to the tipping point. that coming from a senior administration official who tells cnn, there are growing concerns the epa's chief's ethics scandal could star in future political attack ads by president as we learn pruitt lobbied the president to fire attorney general jeff sessions so, guess who -- he -- could run the department of justice. abby, good morning from the white house. >> good morning. scandal surrounding scott pruitt continues to grow day by day but there is a new revelations reported last night by cnn that pruitt has actually been pushing himself for another job within the administration, replacing the attorney general jeff sessions who's been at the center of president trump's ire for the last year and change. now according to reporting, pruitt's been talking to the president about this possibility, floating what we
7:10 am
call here in washington a recess appointment, which would be a short-term appointment until a full-time replacement could be named. that would allow him to then go back to oklahoma and run for political office there. that suggestion was apparently batted down by aides within the white house. but it just goes to show how confident pruitt was in the president's confidence in him. now pruitt's aides over at the epa have given us this statement from pruitt in response to that reporting, saying, "this report is simply false. general sessions and i are friends and i have always said i wanted nothing more than to see him succeed in his role." at the same time, the white house is responding to what seems like an avalanche of allegations against pruitt. the white house press secretary did not say pruitt was on his way out, but he did say that the white house and the president are looking into these allegations. so the white house is slow walking this. but there is a sense here that nobody knows exactly what it will take for president trump to
7:11 am
finally be tired of some of these negative headlines coming from his epa administrator. >> abby phillip with the latest, thank you. still'shood -- we are in thailand where finding those trapped young soccer players was difficult, to say the least. but now the much harder job -- getting them to the surface. we have an update. plus, republican congressman jim jordan now speaking out against the allegations that he turned a blind eye to sexual misconduct allegations at ohio state. i landed. i saw my leg did not look right. i was just finishing a ride. i felt this awful pain in my chest. i had a pe blood clot in my lung. i was scared. i had a dvt blood clot. having one really puts you in danger of having another.
7:12 am
my doctor and i chose xarelto®. xarelto®. to help keep me protected. xarelto® is a latest-generation blood thinner that's... proven to treat and reduce the risk of dvt or pe blood clots from happening again. in clinical studies, almost 98% of patients on xarelto® did not experience another dvt or pe. xarelto® works differently. warfarin interferes with at least 6 of your body's natural blood-clotting factors. xarelto® is selective, targeting just one critical factor. don't stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor, as this may increase risk of blood clots. while taking, you may bruise more easily, or take longer for bleeding to stop. xarelto® can cause serious, and in rare cases, fatal bleeding. it may increase your risk of bleeding if you take certain medicines. get help right away for unexpected bleeding or unusual bruising. do not take xarelto® if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. before starting, tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures and any kidney or liver problems. learn all you can... to help protect yourself from another dvt or pe. talk to your doctor about xarelto®.
7:13 am
...to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. i'll take that. [cheers] 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. new ensure max protein. in two great flavors. ♪ come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away. ♪ who's already won three cars, two motorcycles, a boat, and an r.v. i would not want to pay that insurance bill. [ ding ] -oh, i have progressive, so i just bundled everything with my home insurance. saved me a ton of money. -love you, gary! -you don't have to buzz in. it's not a question, gary. on march 1, 1810 -- [ ding ] -frédéric chopin. -collapsing in 226 -- [ ding ] -the colossus of rhodes. -[ sighs ] louise dustmann -- [ ding ] -brahms' "lullaby," or "wiegenlied." -when will it end? [ ding ] -not today, ron.
7:14 am
another day has come and gone in thailand. it is nighttime there. there has not yet been an attempt to bring these dozen young soccer players and their coach out of that flooded cave where they have now been for a
7:15 am
week and a half. dive teams back in the cave today. children, we're told, practicing breathing with the oxygen masks they would need if it is decided that this is the best way to bring them out. which would essentially be coming out the way they went in back on june 23rd. reporter jonathan miller is there for us with the latest. jonathan? >> reporter: yeah, well, as you say, that's one of the options, bringing them out the way they came in. but there are other options being explored, erica. i mean one of the boys, interestingly, in the cave said he heard roosters crowing and he heard the sound of chickens and children playing. he might have been imagining things, because after nine days in a cave when you're in the dark, you might hear anything. but it is possible that he did hear that because there are fissures and cracks and chimneys going up through this limestone in the hills which you can't see but are right behind me. if there is a possibility of somehow getting in through --
7:16 am
into the cave roof and extra extracting them that way, that could be preferable to having them come out the way they came in, because that would involve them diving, learning first to use scuba gear, then diving with the cave divers helping them through half a mile of submerged narrow passageways. it is all together, i think, around three -- four kilometers that they'd have to make their way out. that's really, really risky. but the risks also involve leaving them in there because, within a few days, that deluge of the monsoon will come down again. that cavern system will be submerged for the next few months and they will be stuck. it is possible just keeping them there, feeding them, making sure they're well looked off. but my goodness, what a miserable experience that would be. >> yeah. certainly not what they would want to do, one would imagine. jonathan miller, appreciate it. thank you. with us now, tim taylor, an ocean explorer and ceo of
7:17 am
tiburon tough sea. we focus so much on these kids and we know the fact some of them can't swim, how difficult it is for an adult to learn to scuba, let alone a child with no experience. but you say all of that could actually play in their favor. why? >> well, they're young. as anybody that has kids knows, they're fearless. they'll take the risk. that being said, it is a complicated thing that they're trying to do. and under the best conditions, diving is still a new skill they're going to have to learn and be comfortable with. you can train people to use the equipment. it is done in resorts in a day. but you can't train experience and what you need in this type of situation is that kind of experience. a lot can go wrong if you don't do it exactly right. >> a lot can go wrong. there aren't a lot of options, as we point out, as jonathan just laid out for us there. gary, when we look at not only the nature of these caves --
7:18 am
we're told there are sharp turns, the water goes up and down, it is dark, it is murky. it is difficult for even the most experienced divers in there. there is talk about could they perhaps drill in from above. how much of a challenge would that avenue be? >> well, drilling into a cave, i've worked on projects where we've done exactly that. drilling into a cave is difficult. the terrain above the cave is quite rough. i'm not sure if there are any ways to get a drill down there. you've got about 2,400 feet of rocky overcome and the monsoons coming on. drilling into the cave would be a long, difficult process. >> not an easy option there. tim, as we think about the kids, the beauty of not really having any fear at this point is one part of it, but there's also a lot psychologically. there are kids singing down the
7:19 am
cave, trying to get a phone down there. >> i guess that is important, mindset. but i don't know -- i would imagine if i was on location doing this, you would be exploring all avenues and progressive along those lines as well. >> there's also -- we are looking at the water. trying to pump water out so they can get them potentially to come out the way they came in because this cave filled up so quickly. when water levels change like that, how much of a challenge is that for divers, as well? >> it is water flow. when you get water coming into caves like that, there's now just water flowing and it changes the whole dynamic of the dive because there's more or less water to go through. i would say on that, if rain is coming, that is a clock ticking in a lot of ways, that help them -- will drive decision making. if you're pursuing taking these guys out on scuba and taking them out diving, or keeping them in there, you're racing the
7:20 am
clock. and that is -- decisions would have to be made, whether good or bad decisions, they may be the only decisions wille ewill be t them out. >> to your point about more rain, this is own the beginning, of course, of the monsoon season. when we look at areas of the world like this and you are looking at caves that have to deal with this enormous influx of rain for months upon end, how can that also change the structure of these caves, meaning that what we see today in terms of a pathway could very well change because of the water? is that a concern? >> well, there is in the sense that the flooding can bring in debris and move sediment around, certainly tear up dive lines and other issues. so it wouldn't structurally probably damage the cave. that would be unlikely. but it can certainly alter the dynamics. as kevin said, the tight spaces with the water can greatly increase and make it difficult for divers to get through. >> in terms of the structure
7:21 am
there, we've heard reports of one of the boys reportedly -- i believe it was one of the dutch divers who was down there, saying one of the boys said he could hear a rooster. then there was some discussion, could there have been perhaps a hole or air pocket, something for that sound to get down to them in the kafb. would that be possible in an area like this? >> well, there's certainly a possibility of finding another entrance. my understanding is they basically exercised all options that they've had concurrently. they've done what appears to be just a fantastic job trying to manage an incredibly complex situation. unlikely, i would suspect that what they may be hearing is the water lapping against the wall of a cave as maybe water levels dropped a little bit and air pockets have opened up. your mind, especially if you've been sitting in the dark for a long period of time, will play tricks on you sometimes. >> gary, tim, appreciate you
7:22 am
both joining me with your expertise this morning. scott pruitt joins the list of administration officials confronted by protesters, not while he was at work though. is it going too far? is civility now officially dead? metastatic breast cancer is relentless, but i'm relentless too. mbc doesn't take a day off, and neither will i. and i treat my mbc with new everyday verzenio- the only one of its kind that can be taken every day. in fact, verzenio is a cdk4 & 6 inhibitor for postmenopausal women with hr+, her2- mbc, approved, with hormonal therapy, as an everyday treatment for a relentless disease. verzenio + an ai is proven to help women have significantly more time without disease progression,
7:23 am
and more than half of women saw their tumors shrink vs an ai. diarrhea is common, may be severe, and may cause dehydration or infection. before taking verzenio, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection. verzenio may cause low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infection that can lead to death. serious liver problems can occur. symptoms may include tiredness, loss of appetite, stomach pain, and bleeding or bruising more easily than normal. blood clots that can lead to death have also occurred. talk to your doctor right away if you notice pain or swelling in your arms or legs, shortness of breath, chest pain or rapid breathing or heart rate. tell your doctor if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or plan to become pregnant. common side effects include nausea, infections, low red and white blood cells and platelets, decreased appetite, headache, abdominal pain, tiredness, vomiting, and hair thinning or loss. i'm relentless. and my doctor and i choose to treat my mbc with verzenio. be relentless. ask your doctor about everyday verzenio.
7:24 am
be relentless. i'm a small business, but i have...
7:25 am
big dreams... and big plans. so how do i make the efforts of 8 employees... feel like 50? how can i share new plans virtually? how can i download an e-file? virtual tours? zip-file? really big files? in seconds, not minutes... just like that. like everything... the answer is simple. i'll do what i've always done... dream more, dream faster, and above all... now, i'll dream gig. now more businesses, in more places, can afford to dream gig. comcast, building america's largest gig-speed network. it is, of course, the fourth of july, independence day. americans across the country celebrating the many freedoms that this country offers. among them is freedom of speech. it is something we hear a lot about these days, and something that we hear about especially in terms of politics. from both sides. listen, it is great that we limpb inlive in a country where we can
7:26 am
confront elected officials. yes, american taxpayers pay their salaries, they are allowed to ask questions about how they're doing their job. recent events though have a number of people asking, what exactly we're accomplishing in some the ways that's being carried out? events like this moment. take a look. >> -- we deserve to have somebody at the epa who actually does protect our environment, somebody who believes in climate change and takes it seriously for the benefit of our children. i would urge you to resign before your scandal push you out. >> that was earlier this week. that woman joined kate bauldwin. >> if they are doing their job properly, then they should want to hear from us. and here i am telling him how i
7:27 am
feel. that's exactly how it should go. they don't want to be called out in public, then they shouldn't make decisions that harm the rest of us. >> joining me now, cnn political commentator, former press secretary for the bernie sanders campaign. let's be honest here. these types of moments are red meat for both sides, especially depending on who it happens to on which day. yes, scott pruitt should be able to eat in peace. yes, taxpayers have a right to ask -- well, he's not an elected official obviously but they have a right to ask officials what they are doing if they have questions. have we gotten to a point though where this is ineffective, at best, ned? >> well, first of all, i would say -- all for free speech, all for accountability. i think we have to remember where we need to draw the line. when we start to have political harassment over political differences and we're harassing public officials in their
7:28 am
private time, i think we need to draw the line and say that's not how we settle our differences here. obviously we have to have civil disagreements. but if you disagree with the policies that are being implemented, we settle them at the ballot box. so i think that we can't normalize this kind of behavior. i think it will lead to even further bad behavior. we have to say again, like with maxine waters and her comments, i was very appreciative of chuck shumer andcy pelosi calling her out. we can solve these these issues at the ballot box. >> when we approached scott pruitt she was very respectful, not yelling at him or right up in his face. simone, it does beg the question, can you wait until the ballot box? people on the other side are saying i can't get answers, period. this is the only way i can get somebody to pay attention. is that enough of a reason? >> look, i just wonder if there's ever been an acceptable form of protest in this country?
7:29 am
if students do a walk-out, it is disrespectful. if a woman walks up to someone from the government in a restaurant holding her baby, calmly explaining her peace and asking him questions, it's out of order. there's never been an acceptable form of protest in this country. again, i say that, again, give me an example? all i'm saying is this, that in these times, i do believe that folks should strive to be non-violent in their confrontation, if you will, but they should not strive to be non-confrontational. power concedes nothing without a demand. throughout our history change has not come about because folks sitting in the precipices of power have just decided to do things differently. they had to be pushed and that push often is uncomfortable. in trump administration officials are a little uncomfortable in their mexican restaurants, well, i would challenge them to make different decisions and create policies
7:30 am
that don't cause them to be protested at restaurants. i don't have any sympathy for folks like scott pruitt or dhs secretary nielsen. i just don't. >> this is absurd. no. you're now saying that public officials who people have policy differences with -- and i understand that -- now are free to walk in to restaurants and harass them while they're trying to have dinner? that is not normal. it is not acceptable and i would disagree. i think there have been plenty of peaceful protests throughout the course of our history in which people are able to get out and -- >> i didn't say peaceful, ned. i said has there ever been an acceptable form of protest. >> of course there is. >> give me an example. >> of course there's always acceptable. i'm even thinking back, i rather the tea party protests in 2009.d those were very peaceful assemblies, peoples voices were being heard. it was acceptable. >> i'd like to make a distinction quickly. ned is talking about peaceful protests. what i am talking about is
7:31 am
acceptable. any time anyone in this country confroents anything or stants a for anything, there's always someone who says they did it the wrong way. i'm not talking about peaceful protests. i'm saying when possible, protests should be non-violent, they should be peaceful. they should not be non-confrontational. what i am talking about is the fact that this administration has engaged in some very nefarious dealings whether it comes to the family separations at the border, the children -- 2,000 children where we still do not know how they are be reunited with their parents. scott pruitt who is a walking cesspool of ethics violations. we aren't even talking about what he's doing at epa. we're talking about his personal misconduct in the office. in these times, erica, it is not crazy to think that folks want make their voices heard in many different ways possible. if students are uk wawalking ou their classrooms, if folks are
7:32 am
confronting folks like scott pruitt or stephen miller when they're eating at mexican restaurants -- these folks said mexico is sending their worst, they're sending rapists and murderers. >> erica. >> guys, i think we know where you both stand on this. i want to push forward when we talk about scott pruitt. here's what we need some answers on, specifically from the white house. there are at least a dozen investigations about ethics issues involving scott pruitt. and we're only just now hearing, ned, from the white house that, oh, we're reaching -- we're moving, inching forward toward a tipping point. why is this not a concern? >> i think it is a concern. i think that they have to address this situation and decide if scott pruitt is actually serving the president to the best of his abilities. i think every cabinet member needs to understand that they are replaceable. everyone is expendable, and if scott pruitt is not serving the president well, i think he needs to be replaced and i've told
7:33 am
people, there are other deregulators that can replace scott pruitt as the head of epa. i think trump and the white house need to have a hard look at this and say is this a distraction now, do we need to address this? i think they do. i think there is a possibility they'll address it fairly quickly. >> well, it's kind of been an issue nor a while. so fairly quickly would be good to see. i want to move on to this, especially because it is the fourth of july. right? now there is a new gallup poll out earlier this week looking at american patriotism. the headline here, it's down. if we look at numbers, it is actually a record low. 47% of americans say they're "extremely proud" to be an american. the driving force behind that lack of pride, a dip among democrats. that number is down. it was 25% in 2016. now it is 32%. symone, does that bother you? >> i just want to be clear that i'm absolutely proud to be american. i wouldn't -- i can't think of another place on earth that i would rather live and be in a story like mine and so many
7:34 am
before me is only possible in this here the united states of america. with that being said, i think what we see with these numbers is the fact that folks are disappointed in some of the things -- and dismayed and angry, if you will, with some of the things that our government has been engaging in and what's been going on here in our country, but also in or foreign policy abroad. i think that's something we need to address. but i am not going to police folks' patriotism. not today. >> we'll have it to leave it there, we are out of time. symone, ned, thank you for joining me. happy fourth of july. we can all agree on that. who's telling the truth here? gop congressman jim jordan says he didn't know sexual abuse was happening while he was a wrestling coach at ohio state. one man though says jim jordan is lying. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything
7:35 am
7:36 am
7:37 am
so we know how to cover almost anything. even a "cactus calamity". (man 1) i read that the saguaro can live to be two hundred years old. (woman) how old do you think that one is? (man 1) my guess would be, about... (man 2) i'd say about two hundred. (man 1) yeah... (burke) gives houseplant a whole new meaning. and we covered it. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
7:38 am
this morning, ohio republican congressman jim jordan denying explosive accusations that he ignored sexual abuse allegations while he was a wrestling coach at ohio state. jordan telling politico overnight, "i never knew of any type of abuse. if i did, i would have done something about it." cnn's jean casarez spoke with a former wrestler who says what jordan is saying now is a lie and joins us now with more. >> start at the beginning. ohio state university is in the midst right now of really a massive independent investigation with outside counsel in regard to the team doctor for athletics. he was there for two decades, a team doctor specifically from 1981 to 1995, dr. richard strauss. whether he in fact abused and molested young male athletes at the university during that time. now he is deceased, but the
7:39 am
investigation commenced in april. and they are talking to former athletes, coaches, personnel, from over 14 different sports at ohio state university, including wrestling. that's where jim jordan enters, because he was an assistant wrestling coach during part of the time that that position was at ohio state university. i spoke with michael disabato yesterday, he is a former wrestler. he says that jim jordan was the assistant coach while he was there, and he says it was common knowledge to what this doctor was doing to many of the athletes in sports, including the wrestling team. he said they'd sit around the locker room and talk about it. he said they would, quote, joke, about when you went to the doctor what was going to happen to you. listen what he said to me yesterday, including what this doctor allegedly did to michael. >> i was close to both jim and
7:40 am
coach. we talked openly within our locker room about strauss in particular, that he was a serial groper. i can tell you right now, he's not telling the truth. because he did know. he has knowledge. he was there. over eight years. it's impossible to ignore the training environment. it was deviant, chaotic. >> so i asked disabato, what exactly did congressman jim jordan say to you when you told him what was happening to you? he couldn't say anything in particular. it was just there were general conversations and everyone knew. now jim jordan, the congressman, has spoken out and he has said, through his press office, "congressman jordan never saw any abuse, never heard about any abuse, and never had any abuse reported to him during his time as a coach at ohio state. he has not been contacted by
7:41 am
investigators about the matter but will assist them in any way they ask because if what is alleged is true, the victims deserve a full investigation and justice. and yesterday ohio state university independent investigators told cnn they had reached out to his office and helicopter heard back. he responded dreshthly lydirec last night saying, where is it? give us the information, the communication, because to our knowledge, our office never received anything from the university but we are ready to help in any way we can. >> all of these communications about communication outside of what actually happened. jean, thank you. joining me, cnn law analyst josh campbell. you make the point, jim jordan, this is how you put it, should get what he denies others, the benefit of the doubt. what do you think is not happening for jim jordan here that needs to, and why? >> well, hi, erica. great to be with you.
7:42 am
happy fourth. this is a very serious case. it is important to say at the outset, any asian-american lial state their bias. i think jim jordan is brash, abrasive, disrespect until to witnesses. but i set that aside and look at the specific issue. my issue with him is the hypocrisy. so here we have someone whose general style is to conduct investigations in the house and draw conclusions about witnesses and their actions before investigations are even complete. and now what he's asking us is to believe his statement when the investigation is still ongoing. so i find that ironic and very confusing. my point is in writing this, is that even though he is brash, even though he is abrasive, i don't want the rest of society and the rest of our country to kind of fall victim to this instability. we have folks in the white house, folks in congress who
7:43 am
continue to traffic in innuendo and draw conclusions based on the most disparate pieces of information. i say in order for this investigation to be credible, i think we should let it play out. ohio state needs to get down to business and find out what these victims experienced. of course, if we believe their stories, i want the full picture to be painted so we know exactly what jim jordan did. >> let me just drill down on that a little bit more. that's what's actually happening. we hear from the university one thing -- two things are happening here. one, we are getting different stories. we are hearing from some of these wrestlers. this doctor interacted with athletes across more than a dozen sports, i understand it, worked with the wrestling teams for about two decades. there are a lot of people to talk to here as the university continues this investigation of a man who took his life, by the way. i believe it was in 2005. we are look at all of this. we're not getting straight answers. why are we not getting straight answers to jim jordan, is that still giving him the benefit of the doubt? >> that's a fair point. we need those answers.
7:44 am
any investigation -- i know this isn't a lant investigatiow enfo investigation, this is one the university is conducting. the public will know more about that as it plays out. let's be honest, these are very serious allegations and things don't look good for jim jordan. what's interesting, he's one of the most omnipresent members of congress. you can't turn on a television without seeing him, but it's crickets over there. we're hearing from him through statements. i think that's telling in itself. i think we and the investigators need to hear from him, we need to hear those victims' stories so we know the full picture of what happened. >> there has been a very important push, i would argue, in at least the last year or so to give alleged victims of the benefit of the doubt, to listen to their story, not immediately resort to victim shaming and blaming, as has happened in the past. he's not looked at here as someone who was committing any alleged abuse. but the question surrounding his conduct are whether or not he turned a blind eye.
7:45 am
we've seen the repercussions that that can have on people at michigan state, for example. how have things changed in terms of people who are looked at as either enablers or who remained silent? are they being treated more harshly now in the court of public opinion? >> i think they are and i think that's a good thing. people, whether it is in sports, whether tlit is in universities any type of setting with an adult in the position of authority who can intervene to stop the abuse of a child or a student in college who is of idle age, if they don't take that responsibility eseriously, they allow molestation and assault, even these allegations to continue -- one victim said allegedly, reportedly, jim jordan said i don't want to be a part of this. that's abdicating the responsibility of a person who it in a position of authority. then i would argue you are just
7:46 am
as culpable as the person responsible because those people were victimized by your inaction here. >> josh campbell, appreciate it. happy fourth. >> you as well. authorities ramping up security across the country ahead of today's fourth of july celebrations. just ahead wi, a live update fr one of the nation's largest. join t-mobile. and get netflix included. so your family can watch what they love in more places. get an unlimited family plan with netflix on us. and right now, buy one samsung galaxy s9 and get one free.
7:47 am
you're smart,eat you already knew that. but it's also great for finding the perfect used car. you'll see what a fair price is and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. now you're even smarter. this is truecar. almost $800 when we switched our auto and home insurance. with liberty, we could afford a real babysitter instead of your brother. hey! oh, that's my robe. is it? when you switch to liberty mutual, you could save $782 on auto and home insurance. and still get great coverage for you and your family. call for a free quote today. you could save $782 when liberty stands with you. liberty mutual insurance.
7:48 am
7:49 am
more than 100 people were shot over the july 4th weekend in chicago last year. this year, officials trying to stem that violence, what are they specifically planning to do? cnn national correspondent ryan young joins us now live with more. ryan? good morning. >> reporter: happy fourth, erica. when you think about that number, say it outloud, over 100 people shot last year during the fourth, you know how serious they take this. what they're trying to do is make sure everyone is safe during the holiday weekend. chicago has a great fourth of
7:50 am
july display of fireworks on the lakefront. that's usually very safe. it is throughout the city where they deal with the issues. even this weekend, several kids were shot in a drive-by shooting that they had nothing do with it. now the city's talking about the idea of making sure they partner with their federal partners and state partners to go after some of the gang-infested areas, to kind of pull some of those gang members off the street during this holiday weekend. we know they are putting 1,500 additional forces on the street to make sure they attack that violence. trying to get the guns off the street as quickly as possible. this is something they've talked about for years, trying to get the violence down. the summer can be a very painful moment for those who live in chicago because of all the violen violence. that's something they are trying to address bit by bit, especially on the fourth of july weekend. >> ryan young for us, thank you. hundreds of undocumented parents have still not been
7:51 am
reunited with their children after being separated from the border. cnn has obtained a document that shows some parents set to be deported are presented with an option -- to go with or without their children. nick valencia joins us for details. on one hand, it is being good if it you are asked, if you are being deported, are you taking your children issue is more whe were originally given this form, correct? >> that's right. it was first made aware to us by the southern poverty law center. they claim at least two of their clients who have not been put before the judge just yet have been pressured to sign this document. the issue is cnn has been unable to verify those claims. we can't even ask i.c.e. if that's happened because they can't give us details of those two clients. the broader concern here is that this could create confusion for adult detainees currently in detention, that they may not understand the legalese. it is worth noting, a lot of those that are currently
7:52 am
detained don't even speak spanish. they speak indigenous languages which begs the question, how are they supposed to understand this document? either be deported with your children or deported without your child in hopes they can navigate the system here on their own and pursue their own relief claims. the southern poverty law center says it was given to them by somebody in an i.c.e. field office who wanted to make them aware so they could advise their clients. they say that this is very troubling and very concerning. i.c.e., however, countered that and say this form is official. they verified that to us. but they say it is only for those in final removal proceedings. they say that this is a document that is being circulated right now but it is being used officially and not for those that are currently not before a judge just yet. erica? >> nick valencia with the latest from being in a from mcallen, texas. thank you. from the east to the west, a deadly heat wave's hitting parts of the nations. they've been struggling with
7:53 am
this for more than a week. temperatures across the southwest are expected to be 7 to 14 degrees above normal this week in some areas. it could be far hotter. the northeast, we can tell you, should feel a little relief by tomorrow. meantime though, there are several large wildfires burning in california, nevada and utah. the county fire in california has now scorched more than 70,000 acres and is only 5% contained. still to come, a fourth of july tradition unlike any other. it is the nathan's hot dog eating contest. who will be crowned top dog? we've got a preview in the bleacher report next. how do you become america's best-selling brand?
7:54 am
7:55 am
7:56 am
you introduce the all-new ford ecosport and surprise people with how much they can get in a small suv. that means more standard features and more upgrades for a lot less than expected. the all-new ecosport. it's the big upgrade in a small package. from ford, america's best-selling brand. see what you can get for under 20 grand with the all-new ecosport. the soccer drama continues
7:57 am
in russia, another world cup biter. more on england's thrilling win over colombia in this morning's "bleacher report." i was watching it with a few colombians, i have to tell you, and they were sad. >> 242 years after signing the ecdid cla rati declaration of independence, here we are talking england soccer. they ended their curse yesterday against colombia, england was 0-3 in their history when going to penalty kicks in the world cup. their goalie, jordan pickford, coming through right here with just a great save. he was pumped up about it. the hopes and dreams of the entire nation riding on eric dier's right foot. he buried it. fans back home were going crazy when the team won. they partied in the streets all night. check out this guy's answer to
7:58 am
how he felt after the win. >> how do you think i feel? we won a shoot-out in a world cup! come on! >> you see all the fans there singing the song "three lions," a song about how england invented football and is trying to win their first world cup. prince william tweeted last night, i couldn't be prouder england in a victory and a penalty shoot-out. you have well and truly earned your place in this final eight of the world cup. there was no singing in downtown cleveland yesterday. the iconic lebron james nike banner was removed from the sherwin williams building. over the last four years it had become downtown cleveland's
7:59 am
biggest landmark. maybe nike will put one of those up somewhere in los angeles. finally, it is a july fourth tradition. the 102nd nathan's hot dog eating contest takes center stage in just about an hour. defending champ, joey chestnut, weighing in yesterday. not sure why he weighed in. chestnut has won 10 of the last 11 titles. he downed a record 72 hot dogs last year beating his previous record of 70. like i said, the action gets started at about noon eastern. i love the nathan's hot dog eating contest. i just have a hard time watching the entire thing. it looks painful. >> i can't watch it. every year -- no. i can't do it. i can't. sorry. i know i get hate mail when i say that. but -- yeah. >> it is the buns and the water that get me. i just -- >> it's frost. >> it's gross. it really is. and the thought of what comes
8:00 am
after. maybe we ought to leave it there. thanks to all of you for joining us today. i hope you enjoy your holiday as well. "at this hour" with kate bolduan starts right now. hello, everyone. i'm kate baldwin aolduan. the elation and relief. now the impossible choice. friends and family are elated their sons are alive after a week of being trapped in a black and flooded cave. we'll show you this new video right here from northern thailand showing the 12 young boys, their soccer coach, wrapped in blankets. they say they are healthy. they say they are very fathankf. but make no

24 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on